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Open Gameday Thread--Denver v. Houston

Damn that George Mitchell.  You're telling me he couldn't have waited until tomorrow morning to release his report?  Now, instead of your Houston Texans getting the national attention they so richly deserve, they've been pushed off the front of sports pages and websites around the country.  That sonofabitch Bud Adams must have gotten to Mitchell and convinced him to go public today.  I'll get you for this, Adams!

Anyway, please leave your best conspiracy theories, as well as any pre-game, in-game, and post-game musings in the Comments below.  GO TEXANS!

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I'll be getting drunk watching the game on TV at a nearby drinking establishment.
Houston Texans: Wild Card 2007!

by 5stringJeff on Dec 13, 2007 3:49 PM CST reply actions  

im
stuck in my small college town.
all my friends have left.
my car is being repaired and i dont know when its going to be finished.
i will be watching the game alone.
too young to drink.
but the fucking texans are on tonight, its a good night.

by pweco113 on Dec 13, 2007 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

Awesome
I say rejoice in your solitude now because when the final second ticks off the clock and the whole of Reliant Stadium is rockin', you will not be alone.
Shakin 'em off one win at a time... In Schaub we trust.

by SOLIS on Dec 13, 2007 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Brothers Pizza
I there is a post with the particulars linked into it, but with the deluge of recent articles, it's found its way to the bottom of the screen... in anycase - for the San Antonians out there who might want to come out (anyone seen Southern Lion?), I'm gonna be a Brother's Pizza & Sports Bar on the corner of Guilbeau and Bandera.  
Shakin 'em off one win at a time... In Schaub we trust.

by SOLIS on Dec 13, 2007 5:33 PM CST reply actions  

But DT...
Shouldn't you be studying for your evidence exam tomorrow morning, you ask?

To you sir, I say... fuck Professor Moreland.

Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 5:44 PM CST reply actions  

Careful
Scott is from that state.  He might rat you out.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Um...
Deion just said the crowd is "filtrated" with Bronco fans.

Apparently, the crowd passes through Bronco fans to remove impurities.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 6:28 PM CST reply actions  

He has a good point.
Not to mention, we're really going to have to masturbate the ball down feel.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Bryant Gumbel
is a bit ill.  Not in the same way that Nas is ill, I am guessing.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:08 PM CST reply actions  

Hammond
So is he going to kiss Collinsworth or what?  He's staring through the side of his head.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure...
but I know that I would kiss Kimberly Caldwell's belly button.  From the inside.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Goddamn
She mangled the "land of the free" part.

Still, I want to play with her butthole.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, she's hot
But I'd probably keep it to the frontside with her.
Houston Texans: Wild Card 2007!

by 5stringJeff on Dec 13, 2007 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

These line ups
Creep me the hell out.  Rotating head look things.  Whaaaat the shit.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, that was creepy.
I like how some of the guys were grinning, as if even they knew it was dumb.

Three straight passes?  OK...

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

NFL.com/live
is amazing. I've seen every play so far. Do they show the entire game?

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 7:19 PM CST reply actions  

Dunno
but that is pretty sweet.

Not as sweet as Andre motherfucking Johnson, however.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Or Vontez Leach
Vontez rocks.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

NFL LIVE
shows a good portion of the play, but not every play.

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

So far
I've gotten every single play, with on breaks in between except on kick-offs. And instead of commercials, I get break-downs and replays.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Vonta Leach
looks like an apple in this uni.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:22 PM CST reply actions  

SAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Wow.  That was an INCREDIBLY slow run.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:22 PM CST reply actions  

Re:
I liked the awkward fall into the endzone.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah
Like he considered diving, but tripped.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Battle Red
unis are sweeeet!

by JBNJ on Dec 13, 2007 7:25 PM CST reply actions  

Pretty Boy Demps
Just fucked up Marshall.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

Demps
sure can hurt people!

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

Demps
with the shoulder separating tackle.

by JBNJ on Dec 13, 2007 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

Mario
is doing a great job of not over-pursuing when the run goes away from him.  He will fuck up Cutler on a bootleg at some point tonight.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:30 PM CST reply actions  

BLITZ!!!
Charlie Anderson, baby!!!

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:31 PM CST reply actions  

Charlie Anderson
is blitzing on almost every play.  I am liking this a lot.

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 7:31 PM CST reply actions  

shit.
not a bad call, shanny.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 7:33 PM CST reply actions  

Uh so...
You don't like having Elam kick 53 yarders inside domes?  I know the roof is open but... eh?
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:33 PM CST reply actions  

Sonsabitches
With the cowardly pooch punt.  (That was sneaky good, actually.  Damn it.)

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:33 PM CST reply actions  

Leach
needs to stop being a part of our passing game.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:36 PM CST reply actions  

Big missed tackle
Hell yeah OD~
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:37 PM CST reply actions  

So, Schaub...
too many or too few chromosomes?

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:38 PM CST reply actions  

It is visibly apparent
That everyone is elevating their game tonight.  I'm getting really excited.  I might even make an excited utterance that would be admissible under 803(2)
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:38 PM CST reply actions  

I'd wait...
until a TD or even a sack, just so you can point to the specific event.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice fucking catch...
who hauls in a punt over the shoulder on coverage?  APOSTROPHE DOES!

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:44 PM CST reply actions  

Nice try Turk
I was convinced that was a clear 15 yard penalty... but alas, I did theater in high school.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:44 PM CST reply actions  

Fudge
That sucked.  DeMeco almost got there.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:47 PM CST reply actions  

By the way...
that was a zone blitz.  

I know you are reading, Richard Smith.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll allow that
I still think nine out of ten times, something good happens there.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

MARIOOOOOOOOO!
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:53 PM CST reply actions  

I love him.
Seriously.

Dude is now the Texans CAREER sack leader (passing Kailee Wong)

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow
what a pocket.  sonofabitch.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 7:54 PM CST reply actions  

Damn!
If Demps isn't wearing Robo-arm, he picks that.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

Damn...
Ya'll have a fast defense tonight.  I like the Red WAY better when it's against a team other than the Jaguars.

-Chris

Check out SB Nation's Jaguar Blog at Big Cat Country

by River City Rage on Dec 13, 2007 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

Mario
with that sweet spin move almost got Cutler from behind as he was throwing. That would have been pick-city.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

Demps
so close, but needed to make that catch.  Mario is using his hands so much better than he has in the past.

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

Apostraphe!
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 8:03 PM CST reply actions  

bling bling
Get this man guaranteed money.  Please.  right now.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes
we need to resign him soon.  Especially since Mathis is a free agent, and I do not know if he will be back.

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Play call
Not my favorite string of plays.  Ease up on the play-action Kubes.  And Darius is ripping off some yards.  Why 3 passes?
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd recommend:
Less play-action.

More 'Dre action.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Hit marshall again
Pretty Boy get on this shit.  He's one hit away from leaving Cutler w/out a target.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 8:15 PM CST reply actions  

WHOA HOLDING
No seriously.  That was egregious.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

Dear The Pass Defense,
Please stop someone.

Thanks,
Matt

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

Wowza!
Missouri's own Jamar Fletcher, baby!

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 8:18 PM CST reply actions  

Good job
by Fletcher.  Also Mario was a split-second away from a sack and forced fumble

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 8:19 PM CST reply actions  

So is the joke....
That warren sapp still plays football?
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 8:19 PM CST reply actions  

Marshall
We really need to knock the piss out of him a couple times.  I don't like him catching the ball more or less at will.  Eventually, he'll break one.  

My vote is for Travis Johnson to kick him in the fucking head after the play is over.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 8:28 PM CST reply actions  

Pretty Boy
Must have gotten a manicure today.  He just can't get those gorgeous hands on anything.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 8:31 PM CST reply actions  

Pretty Boy!
golly......he needs some hands drill!

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 8:31 PM CST reply actions  

hey y'all!
watching it over live or gamechannel SUCKED!  So, I am skipping studying, drinking, and watching at a bar.  EAT!!!!

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 8:32 PM CST reply actions  

FEAST!!!!!!!!!!
(I am trying to work on a brief and watch the game.  I am reasonably sure that there's a "FUCK YEAH, MARIO!" in the middle there somewhere.)

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

DeMeco
came strong on the blitz

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 8:32 PM CST reply actions  

Um...
are we ever going to run the ball again?

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 8:33 PM CST reply actions  

Playcalling
Defense: A
Offense: C-

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 8:34 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed
Three straight plays of Sage backpedaling and throwing the ball at the feet of a crossing TE underneath.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

And K-Dub gets up without hesitation
Nice try, John Lynch. You hit like Phillip Buchanan.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 8:36 PM CST reply actions  

Fast first half
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 8:41 PM CST reply actions  

Fast
but that's just because time flies when the Texans play on national tv.  

by HtownJuggernaut on Dec 13, 2007 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Which
I'm sure I don't need to say, happens about as often as I get stuck in a snowdrift.  Just the once.  Just today.

by HtownJuggernaut on Dec 13, 2007 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Score
looks awesome.  Demps is all over the field, but it looks like he left his hands back on the deflowered prom girl.  That's all I've seen so far.   Have I missed much more?  Aside from Mario rocking the house?

by HtownJuggernaut on Dec 13, 2007 8:48 PM CST reply actions  

Brilliant first drive
Followed by a lot of "uh" play calling.  Defense playing lights-out for the most part.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like a flashback
to the beginning of this season.  Back when I picked up the Texans D for fantasy football.  Apparently I was just too quick on the trigger.

by HtownJuggernaut on Dec 13, 2007 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Not really
Though the one question I have is why Kubes is play actioning so much when we have no established run game right now.  I think he may be overthinking things.

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't you hate it
when EVERYONE -- even including the announcers -- except Kubiak (!) knows its going to Marshall?

by HtownJuggernaut on Dec 13, 2007 8:54 PM CST reply actions  

Marshall
is eating Hutchins' lunch

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 8:54 PM CST reply actions  

jeebus
we might want to cover that #15.

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 8:56 PM CST reply actions  

Beast
I was afraid DeMeco was going to get us an unnecessary roughness penalty there.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 8:57 PM CST reply actions  

Important question
How's Darius Walker looking?  Good enough that we don't need to fill the position with a 1st or 2nd round pick?  

by HtownJuggernaut on Dec 13, 2007 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

That could b ethe case
If we just sure up the o-line.  Look at the vikings.  plug&play.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Walker
is showing good burst and pretty good vision.  If Chris Taylor comes back healthy, we could have two decent young running backs next year.

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Portland
I just moved here from Houston, sitting in a sports bar surrounded by Broncos fans who have grown strangely quiet.

by ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBuck on Dec 13, 2007 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

bienvenidos, buck
And whoever was the lead on the sweep was out there quickly.  nice.

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Choo choo!
Here comes the Dayne Trayne!
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:08 PM CST reply actions  

Dayne Train!
And ya gotta love the Heisman pose.

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 9:08 PM CST reply actions  

I'm gonna come out and say it
I like the Dayne Trayne as a complimentary back.  I really do.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:10 PM CST reply actions  

Wow
Doesn't sound like the Displaced Texan from the beginning of the year.  

That said, I'd have to agree with you.

by HtownJuggernaut on Dec 13, 2007 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Fred-tacular!~
SO CLOSE!
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

DAMMIT!
That's three dropped INTs, by my count.

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

what the fuck?
our entire secondary is taking reps with the wide receivers next week.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

Who kidnapped Smith?
Seriously.  A+ defensive play calling.  A+ defensive effort.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:17 PM CST reply actions  

jeebus, dt
we brought the house....awwww fuck.

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

The Fred
always seems to be around the ball.  I am really liking his playing style.  It is nice not to see Petey on the field.

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 9:19 PM CST reply actions  

Bullshit
PI happened before the tip.  Bullshit.  Total bullshit.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

On replay
Absolute fucking bullshit.  He was all over Dre.  Wow i'm furious about that.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:23 PM CST reply actions  

Double-standard
The fucking bullshit "breaking the plane" rule is the stupidest fucking thing in the universe.  Seriously, absolutely fucking retarded.  If you can't get the damn ball across the plane, you don't deserve the points.  FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:26 PM CST reply actions  

I know we would lose
But I still think he has to challenge that.  If nothing else, then to make someone view this bullshit rule.  I've never liked it - no matter who it helps.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

is it me...
or does cutler look completely stoned.

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 9:29 PM CST reply actions  

Always.
But to be honest, that's what I said about Schaub when we first traded for him. He's always kind of squinting and looking slightly past whoever he's looking at.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Kubiak loves...
wasting timeouts like Scott loves Casserly, Casserly, Cass...I can't do it.

by ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBuck on Dec 13, 2007 9:31 PM CST reply actions  

Seriously.
I'm still fuming about that god damn touchdown.  Even my roommate can't remember seeing a more ridiculously scored "breaking the plane" TD.  MDC please post about the ridiculousness of this rule.  If you can't get a freaking football all the way into the endzone, you don't deserve points.  Girl's rule in a man's game.
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

That might have been...
the least the plane has ever been broken. Since he came down from above and swung the ball down in an arc, I think the ball (pardon my math nerdness) was tangent to the goal-line.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

No kidding
My wife even said "hell, they make you have control for it to be a catch; why don't you have to control the ball for a TD?"

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously
If there was ever a "barely" TD in football history, that was it.
Houston Texans: Wild Card 2007!

by 5stringJeff on Dec 13, 2007 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell yeah
Ronnie Walterfels is kickin some @ss

by ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBuck on Dec 13, 2007 9:37 PM CST reply actions  

Just the drive we need
Respond to that ridiculous TD with a real man's drive.  Where's your Neo/Matrix TD shit now?
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:38 PM CST reply actions  

Darius
I am enjoying watching him play.

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 9:38 PM CST reply actions  

DRE1
almost the same play as last week!

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 9:40 PM CST reply actions  

what's funny is...
this place normally doesn't have any texans fans, and there are several here tonight.  a good harbinger, for a change.

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 9:45 PM CST reply actions  

No doubt.
Also, is it wrong that I want Mario to impregnate my wife?

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Amazing.
Dre's 7th touchdown, and it's his single-season career high. That's in less than half a season of being healthy. Oh, what solid quarterbacks will do for your wide receivers.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 9:47 PM CST reply actions  

Rosenfels
is tied with Tony Homo for most touchdown passes in the 4th quarter this year.  That's just impressive.

by Triple347 on Dec 13, 2007 9:48 PM CST reply actions  

Love it!
LOVE THE HULA DANCE!
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:49 PM CST reply actions  

that
was a HUUUUUGE sack
and doing a hula.
fuckin a

by pweco113 on Dec 13, 2007 9:50 PM CST reply actions  

on tv
you can hear them yelling
MA-RI-O!

by pweco113 on Dec 13, 2007 9:52 PM CST reply actions  

awe!
Gotta get in the end-zone for your stats, dre!

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

As someone who is starting Walker
in my Fantasy Super Bowl, I'm glad he didn't get in.

by MDC on Dec 13, 2007 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Vonta Leach
you can thank Andre Johnson for donating that touchdown to you.

by Nashmeister on Dec 13, 2007 9:56 PM CST reply actions  

Plow the hole
The guy's been really helping open some holes tonight.  Absolutely solid blocking-fullback (pass catching?  not so much).  Glad to see "Vontez" get a TD
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

listen up, bitchez
31-13.

31 to mother fucking 13.

Can you say "pwn3d?"

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 9:58 PM CST reply actions  

oh
is this the exact same score as last time vs denver but reversed?

by pweco113 on Dec 13, 2007 10:01 PM CST reply actions  

Exams
This is totally worth bombing evidence for.  "Rule 809(e) - Mario Williams crushed you"
Tell me again why I follow sports?

by DisplacedTexan on Dec 13, 2007 10:05 PM CST reply actions  

with ya, man....
I have two finals left.  I should be studying.

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

In summary
Mario absolutely pwn3d Denver's O-line tonight.

Will Demps has hands of steel.  Not so good.  But the three INTs he dropped all came at opportune times.

We were blitzing probably 50-60% of the time on defense.  Freakin' awesome.

Sage is the best backup QB in the NFL.  He ought to move up 10-15 places on the bullshit ESPN article that came out yesterday.

Who the hell was covering Brandon Mitchell?  Or, better yet, who was supposed to be covering Brandon Mitchell?  He ate our secondary up.

Walker + Dayne = one hell of a running game.

Houston Texans: Wild Card 2007!

by 5stringJeff on Dec 13, 2007 10:48 PM CST reply actions  

ahhhh im drunk
but made it home safely., dont worry

me and 7 other texans made it out to sholz garten in austin. and we were loud. it fuckin rocked

by BigTexBD on Dec 13, 2007 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

sincerely apologize...
for not making it out there tonight.  I didn't leave the house until almost halftime, and I was exhausted.  That, and I am a big pussy.  I can't wait until life becomes somewhat normal.

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

you are forgiven
but you missed a good time.  there was also a decent cover band playing in one of the side rooms for the Progressive Insurance holiday party.  i still think we were louder.

by BigTexBD on Dec 14, 2007 1:44 AM CST up reply actions  

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