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Open Game Day Thread--Indianapolis v. Houston, Part Deux

As I type this at 8:53 a.m., I have no idea what the mood will be when this thread posts at 1:30 p.m. Celebratory? Joyful? Optimistic? Or will it be mournful? Full of dread? Questioning the existence of a kind and benevolent Creator?

If you haven't already swilled a gallon of bleach, continue to post your Comments about the game here. GO TEXANS!

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Alright, we get the ball to start the Half

so lets score on the first drive and make Peyton force a couple of throws.

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Odds that

Some numbskull starts a rumor that Johnson prefers Sage as QB if we win this one?

In other news: c’mon motherfuckers11!

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Colts Player Down

Gary Brackett (MLB)

Could be an even longer day for the Colts.

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Apparently Brackett tried to get in Leach's way.

That seems to be something to be avoided this game.

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was really hoping

We could have put some distance between us and the Colts on that drive, and take like 5 minutes off the clock.

Now for the d to hold.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bennett

Has the longest arms in the history of the world.

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 1:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Darnit

Travis Johnson hurt.

In unrelated news, DGDB&D explodes.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 1:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's him

That’s the Bennett we saw at the end of last year

Dre all day

by Drecoby8012 on Oct 5, 2008 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Slaton runs hard

That’s how you convert 3&1s….

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 1:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

finally

we are getting well deserved props from the announcers

Healthy and Turnover free 2008-09, and we win 11!

by texanphil on Oct 5, 2008 1:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

which is all I really care about… how dierdorf views us

Healthy and Turnover free 2008-09, and we win 11!

by texanphil on Oct 5, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a good way.

I guess running like he’s being chased would be more accurate.

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brown?

Where you going there buddy?

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 1:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that was bad.

Brown needs to not let Freeney have a free shot on the QB like that.

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 1:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

breaks?????

we’re getting breaks????

Healthy and Turnover free 2008-09, and we win 11!

by texanphil on Oct 5, 2008 1:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two-headed RB

Just start rotating in Green and Slaton… the middle of that D is starting to give. I think we can grind out some yards AND eat up the clock.

Having said that, Kyle will call a flea-flicker.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 1:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dierdorf

Makes me want to punch someone. Back on mute!

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a terrible world out there

When Steven Hawking can’t talk and Dan Dierdorf can.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

AJ is back

That’s how he should have been catching the ball against Tennessee.

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 2:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Took a shot

Walk it off buddy! (Please!)

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

another bad snap by Pittman

Jesus Christ, what happened to him?

by HoustonDiehards on Oct 5, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good drive

Took it from inside the 10 and got points on the board.

Two-score game. Come on guys!!!!

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Bentley

Man, those extra pounds might not help him get Rhonda, but it sure does seem to be helping him on Special Teams.

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

4th Quarter

Don’t break, ass holes.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not happy to see

David Andersen on the field instead of AJ. Hope he’s ok.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Addai is shifty

And/or we can’t tackle. One of those….

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good third quarter

Would have been better if we’d scored a TD that last time out there, but we had the ball for like 13:00 of the quarter. I’ll take that.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 2:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MARIO! MARIO!

Did they really just leave it up to Joseph Addai to block Mario Williams?

L the fuck OL

by HoustonDiehards on Oct 5, 2008 2:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

That was hilarious to watch. He just bulled him right into Manning.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4th quarter, fellas. Here we go.

I am shocked at how well we’re playing defense. Let’s FINISH THIS THING.

by HoustonDiehards on Oct 5, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The offense is really clicking right now.

After we score, I really want to see the D pin their ears back.

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we need 6

I like our momentum, but a 3 score lead would be AWESOME!

Healthy and Turnover free 2008-09, and we win 11!

by texanphil on Oct 5, 2008 2:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If we score a TD here - will we actually know what to do as fans?

Other than cheer I mean.

This is so foreign. Up 10 on a good team, still playing aggressively – and scoring six, and not a FG? Shit, I’ll shutup – don’t want to jinx it.

by HoustonDiehards on Oct 5, 2008 2:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

vonta is good, but

we OWN their D line right now

Healthy and Turnover free 2008-09, and we win 11!

by texanphil on Oct 5, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vonta

Sure is fun to watch. God that was awesome.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That was monumentally stupid by Sage

But, it worked out. SIX POINTS BAYBEEE

by HoustonDiehards on Oct 5, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shark.

Mario smells blood in the water. Manning better get them’ happy feet dancin’, bitch.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All around

effort by the team today

Dre all day

by Drecoby8012 on Oct 5, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

City deserved it

This is about H-town today.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Dos Santos is the man, though.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OTROY

Super Steve. Give it to him.

And hell yea, DT. This is the point in games that we rarely get to, where Mario gets to go after the QB on every single down because they’re forced to pass.

by Nashmeister on Oct 5, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Duane Brown + Steve Slaton

= A very good draft. Not a C or whatever Helmet Head gave us.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 2:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CARR SIGHTING!

1/1, 5yards, 1TD

Bwhahahaha…….

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Colts,

Please keep running the ball, down by 17, with 8 minutes left.

Thanks,

Everyone

by HoustonDiehards on Oct 5, 2008 2:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No!

I want more sack opportunities. It’s stat-padding time for Mario.

by Nashmeister on Oct 5, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This game...

is exactly the dominating performance we’ve been waiting to see from these Texans all season. Welcome home boys.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 5, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if I'd call it dominating

But definitely “complete.” Still, we have 4 minutes to play, and undoubtedly some of that time will feature our secondary.

by HoustonDiehards on Oct 5, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tennesee down 4.

In other news, Baltimore is starting to worry me.

by Nashmeister on Oct 5, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fear the Flacco

He’s two tons of fleet-footed Delaware fury.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two tons

and one eyebrow.

I like what I’ve seen from him so far though. I think he’s got a chance to be a pretty good QB some day.

by Nashmeister on Oct 5, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is turning out quite nicely

peyton is on my fantasy team, and the garbage yards count the same

Healthy and Turnover free 2008-09, and we win 11!

by texanphil on Oct 5, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What the...

FUCK was that Sage!?

Dre all day

by Drecoby8012 on Oct 5, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok then.

So that was about the single worst thing that could possibly have happened.

Thanks for that one, Sage. Next time fucking slide.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Also,

why did the colts choose right now to start being able to play run defense?

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unbelievable.

I want to murder Sage right now.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to kill him.

I’m going to fucking murder him. This isn’t happening.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also

managed to get you up 17 on the Colts. I would be a little more upset that your o-line couldn’t block a stiff breeze.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 5, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah?

How about the ridiculous stretch at the goal line? Or the completely ridiculous jump? That jump was a 10pt swing at least.

So no, that’s quite alright – I’ll blame him for being utterly retarded.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The o-line has been crushing all game

It’s Sage who has made two completely boneheaded decisions that could end up costing us this game.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh.

I almost forgot – it’s the Texans.

by HoustonDiehards on Oct 5, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Unreal.

Absolutely unreal. This is beyond stunning. This is EPIC FAIL!

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know anymore.

Are you running a high fever?

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 2:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

On the plus side

No one is going to be calling for Sage to start.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

gives us more time

Healthy and Turnover free 2008-09, and we win 11!

by texanphil on Oct 5, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

to fumble

Healthy and Turnover free 2008-09, and we win 11!

by texanphil on Oct 5, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Sage wants to be able to walk around Houston

He needs to lead us on a huge drive right here.

by Tailgate Andy on Oct 5, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gutted.

I think sports may finally have broken me entirely.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's see some fucking clock management.

I don’t care how cliche it sounds, play with a god damn sense of urgency you clowns.

by Nashmeister on Oct 5, 2008 2:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate

being a Texans fan.

Dre all day

by Drecoby8012 on Oct 5, 2008 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well I'm off to the bar.

I can’t believe what I just witnessed. I am completely without words or thoughts.

by DisplacedTexan on Oct 5, 2008 2:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that was an absolutely epic fail

EPIC.

No more talk about Sage starting. Period.

by bigfatdrunk on Oct 5, 2008 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck Me

I will personally murder anyone who EVER calls for Sage to be the starter.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 5, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A. Good news

you’re not a Chiefs fan.

B.If you guys don’t want the guy that actually threw for touchdowns and moved your offense then tried to do too much and would prefer the guy that can’t stay healthy nor throw downfield effectively, can we have him? We’ll give you Damon Huard. Deal? Eh? Eh?

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 5, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhm

The Chiefs have won a game this season.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

You’re being serious when you say Schaub can’t throw downfield effectively?

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 5, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so I take you guys

are still sold on Schaub as the prophet like difference maker as you have been since his arrival?

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 5, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you see Schaub's stat line last week?

29/41 307 yds and not a single turnover. He is much better than Sage.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the weeks before?

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 5, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those two games

Are the exception, not the rule. He looked bad as did the entire team (with the exception of Mario and Slaton).

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again

if you guys would rather have him, I think that’s great! Trade us Sage for a fifth rounder! You don’t need the bum that helped you go up 17 point on the Colts! The guys that misses games when he stubs his toe is a much better option! He’s a leader! A prophet!

I’m a Chiefs fan but I always root for the Texans. That was a horrible way to lose the game. My condolonces. I know we’ve won a game, but seriously, play the Broncos. You can win if you play the Broncos D. We’re a much worse football team than yours.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 5, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Thanks for the condolences.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on who’s better between teh Schaub and Sage. It’s not that I don’t rate Sage, it’s just that I (and most people on these boards) think that Schaub is better.

If it were me, I’d be happy to give you Sage for a second rounder.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what is it about Schaub

that you’ve seen in two seasons that convinces you he’s really great? Because I don’t just see “Schaub is better” on here,I see very little criticism of him. For instance, if Schaub had just committed the negative football that Sage did, I wouldn’t hear as much, I’d hear more about the O-line or the defense. But since it’s Sage, he’s the scapegoat.

Is there a reason for it?

Fourth rounder and if I had the GM job (which might be open soon, I’ll drop a resume), and you’ve got a deal.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 5, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fourth rounder?

You’d be a good GM if you got a qb like Sage for that. But no deal.

I don’t think people here are too easy on Schaub. There were plenty of people criticizing him in the first two games, and he deserved it. But it’s also true to say that the O-line was not doing too well back then either. Both of those things are true.

In general, I like Schaub better because he’s got a stronger arm, he’s a bit more accurate, and I think he’s a little bit calmer. He’s still got some improving to do, and last year he tended to try to force the ball too much. I also think Schaub moves around the pocket a little better than Sage.

Whether or not he’s “really great” as you ask is something we won’t know for a few more years. But I do think he’s better than Sage. Not light-years better, but still better.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

like i said below

No one wants to play for Shaub in my opinion

by TexanFanFromTheStart on Oct 5, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

If the defense would have played like this against the Jaguars, Schaub would have put us up by 17 against the Jaguars.

Schaub lead three 80+-yard touchdown drives last week. Our defense didn’t force a single turnover or give us a short field the entire game. Today? The defense did force punts. They did come up with a turnover. Rosenfels’ offense put up the same score with more help from the running game, and he handed the Colts 17 points.

I don’t get what you’re trying to prove.

by Nashmeister on Oct 5, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly

Am having a hard time not puking right now.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

This team played one hell of a game, right up until Sage’s mafia friends called him during the 4th quarter regarding their hedged bets.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 5, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

SAGE!

Is not capable of starting and finishing in this league!

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!

by Texanmaniac on Oct 5, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe

I got a little carried away, but man o man what a missed oppurtunity. anyway, I’m glad we played good for most of the game

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!

by Texanmaniac on Oct 5, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Rosie

Just holds on to the ball on Indy’s 36 or so, Kris Brown puts another three on the board and this game is over.

It’s so fucking bad it almost doesn’t compute. My mind feels like it’s underwater or something.

This week sucked so hard in so many ways.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to sound rude

but if anyone noticed. Andre Johnson actually played the hardest he ever played when Sage is at QB. I get the impression that none of the Texans really want Shaub to start. And I think that someone wanted Sage to throw the game because Kubiak loves Shaub for some reason. Don’t get me wrong I love the Texans and Shaub is good but I still think Sage is 10 times better.

by TexanFanFromTheStart on Oct 5, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's ridiculous

You’re entitled to your opinion, but to think that someone wanted the team to go 0-4 in the worst possible way just because Kubes wants Schaub to start is nothing short of complete idiocy. No offense.

Andre Johnson played hard for Carr. He plays hard for Schaub. He’d play hard if you or I were the qb.

And Sage is not 10x better than Schaub.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

None taken

It’s just the way I feel.

by TexanFanFromTheStart on Oct 5, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this were true...

…I don’t think anybody wants to play with Sage, now, either.

by bigfatdrunk on Oct 5, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well in my opinion

I would still start Sage. His starting record is 4-2. He had that amazing comeback and almost won against the Titans. I think Shaub is decent but I just don’t like the way he plays.

by TexanFanFromTheStart on Oct 5, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a lot of reasons why

judging a qb by his starting record is a bad idea.

Exhibit a: Vince Young.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like to argue

but ya’ll make alot of sense but im still entitled to my opinion. It’s just how i feel

by TexanFanFromTheStart on Oct 5, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey tehGrindCrusher

How does it feel to be winless? Still looking forward to the playoffs?

haha.

by BeansCarter on Oct 5, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow you are a dick

you were talking the same kind of trash on the Stampede Blue thread before the comeback. If you show up at Stampede Blue doing this again I’ll delete the comments and talk to BBS about banning you.

I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It"

by shake n bake on Oct 5, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe people shouldn't gratuitously...

Rip on Vince Young for no reason. Because I’m only happy to remind you of how bad the Texans are.

So watch you mouth, and show the Titans some respect, and I won’t feel the need to do that.

by BeansCarter on Oct 5, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Oilers could go 16-0

Vygina still sucks!

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!

by Texanmaniac on Oct 5, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vygina...

that’s actually pretty funny.

by BeansCarter on Oct 5, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you disagree with

The notion that W-L record isn’t a good way to measure a quarteback’s ability? Or with the idea that VY is a good example of why this is the case?

Or did you just come here to show how much a dick you can be.

And, as you might expect, it sucks to be winless. Good for you that your team is not.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

I can’t think of one thing Sage did today that Schaub couldn’t have done.

Actually, Schaub wouldn’t have RETARDEDLY dove with one hand on the ball and 4 minutes left while up by 10. Schaub would’ve slid, keeping the clock running, and allowing Brown to kick a game-clinching FG.

by BigTexBD on Oct 5, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

did we piss off the football gods along the way

why dont we get any luck with injuries, wins, and keeping a 17 point lead with 4 minutes, any decent football player in the defensive secondary, shit i can go on and on.

by kcc28 on Oct 5, 2008 3:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's callled

The curse of the BUDBINO!

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!

by Texanmaniac on Oct 5, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the colts planned it

They said “I wonder how big a hole we can dig ourselves before we climb out of it?” They waited a while before they started climbing, but I hear Peyton & Freeny & Co like a challenge. It’s kinda like a veteran pitcher walking the bases loaded in spring training just to see if he could get himself out of it.

by BigTexBD on Oct 5, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well, there is alway next year

if we lose one of the next three, its not worth watching until next year

by m1 on Oct 5, 2008 6:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy god

I can easily say that if this team improves every week like it has the past two we will have a really good team by the time we play the Lions.

Dear god could that have been any more heartbreaking.

by b0ng on Oct 5, 2008 6:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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