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Post-Game Breakdown (Part I): Houston Rosenfails

Forgive me for what you're about to read; putting how I feel into words right now is a bit difficult. Perhaps more than ever, the stats don't tell the tale of this game. Your Houston Texans blew a seventeen (17!) point lead with slightly more than eight (8) minutes remaining today. Hell, if you want to get technical about it, the Colts remained down by 17 until Peyton Manning threw a TD pass with a little more than four (4) minutes left.

Growing up, playing sports, we're bombarded by the old adage--"Win as a team, lose as a team." In football, perhaps more than any other team game, it's damn near impossible for a single player to win or lose a game by himself. We occasionally have the kicker who splits the uprights to win a game, but football really is the epitome of a team sport. As a general rule, one otherworldly player doesn't equate to victory; if one guy was all it took, the Lions would have won multiple Super Bowls with Barry Sanders in the backfield. No, it takes a team to win. And 99% of the time, it takes a team to lose.

Not today.

The Texans lost this afternoon because of one player, and one player alone. After playing efficient, winning football for approximately fifty-six (56) minutes, Sage Rosenfels singlehandedly cost his team the win. No one else, and I mean NO ONE--no other player(s) and no coach(es)--lost this game. Sage lost it. By himself. In absolutely historical fashion. I'm sure he knows it, and we certainly know it.

The most painful part of it, I think, was that the three (3) turnovers he committed in record-breaking time were completely preventable and thus inexcusable. The first fumble does not happen if he slides instead of attempting to charge into three (3) much bigger defenders. The second fumble does not happen if he exhibits an ounce of pocket presence. The final, kick-to-the-nuts interception looked to have been thrown while his target (in this case, Andre Johnson) was on the ground. Three (3) plays. If any one of those plays doesn't go down like it did, the Texans win. It took three (3) separate, horrifying mistakes by Sage for the Colts to win.

I'm not taking anything away from the Colts; they revealed some serious character by battling until the end. Still...no sane observer can say that Sage didn't deliver that game on a silver platter to them. Indy was the beneficiary of one player's epic collapse. Good for them, and as usual, awful for the Texans and their fans.

I would hope this goes without saying, yet I'll say it anyway: Don't give me the "Well, Sage put us in position to win it; Schaub wouldn't have done that." That is complete and utter garbage. The Schaub ran the Houston offense as well as it could be run last week in Jacksonville. You're really telling me that Schaub wouldn't have completed slightly less than two-thirds of his passes for 246 yards and a TD today? Against THAT defense? Please. And for the critics who say that Schaub is fragile...in my estimation, that perceived fragility would have been a real bonus today, because there's no way Schaub would've been so freaking stupid as to try to take on three (3) defenders. He would've slid; the clock would've kept running; and the Texans would've won.

I hate to judge a player on one game, and I won't do it here. I will, however, say this: There is no QB controversy. And the next time any of us starts complaining about Schaub, remember today.

I'll be back with my thoughts on the rest of the players/game later tonight. The vein throbbing on my forehead is telling me it's time to drown this bubbling rage with more whiskey.

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I could not disagree more. No coach was responsible for this loss?? Yeah right. Kubiak should have been handing the ball off OR taking a knee after the Colts pulled within ten. The ball shouldn’t have been in Sage’s hands, we had a 10 point lead with 4 minutes to go. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the clock was the Colts biggest enemy. Run the ball 3 times and punt it, and burn the clock. Then if they score again, run the ball 3 more times and punt it. Even with the 2 minute warning acting as an extra timeout that would have left the Colts with almost no time left to mount a drive. Sage made the crucial errors but he has had problems turning the ball over before, Kubiak knows this, he made the decision to be THROWING THE BALL WITH A 10 POINT LEAD AND ONLY 4 MINUTES LEFT!!! I’m a sane observer and I realize that Sage didn’t deliver that game, Kubiak did by electing to throw instead of putting the ball on the ground.

by tartan on Oct 5, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fire Kubes/Shanahan

Agree completely with Tartan. Sage was dumb, but he was trying to win the game. Calling a QB rollout run with Sage as your QB and the game on the line was the dumbest play call I’ve seen since, well, the Titans’ game, which doesn’t seem like much of a statement, but we’re dealing with consistent ineptitude here. Slaton and Green have been fantastic, and you choose to naked boot a 35 year old QB. Absolutely idiotic. Sage deserves blame, no question, but this one AGAIN lies on the coaching staff.

by Scott on Oct 5, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't disagree more with all of that.

It was 3rd and 8. The Texans decided to play aggressive – a first down would have made it a virtual lock for a victory.

The play call was great. The execution was atrocious. Sage tried to be a hero, and I think pretty much everyone watching saw that fumble coming. All he had to do was slide, and we had a shot at a short 4th down – at which point we can make the decision to punt or go for it on 4th and short to put the game away.

We needed to stay aggressive, because the game was not over – not when your secondary is as bad as ours – ESPECIALLY in the late part of games.

I thought the coaches called a good game. Not perfect, but they didn’t lose this game. Sage did.

by HoustonDiehards on Oct 5, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

That whole aggressive stuff, and ‘playing not to lose’ is all media created bullshit. Its not the gutsy decision that announcers praise, but running the ball there was the sound decision. “All he had to do was slide”, but he didn’t. How was the play call great if Sage was forced to make a run for it? They run the ball there and burn another 40 off the clock and punt it away if they’re out of FG range. Then you make the Colts go the length of the field, down by TWO scores, which would have burned even more clock

by tartan on Oct 5, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're wrong.

Cut this shit out. The two Rosenfels turnovers that occurred when we were ahead? Fumbles.

The one that occurred when we were behind? Interception.

If you watched last year, the Texans had Rosenfels roll out left quite a few times. He’s shown that he’s capable of executing this play, and has scored touchdowns on it. It was a perfectly reasonable call to make given the down and distance. Rosenfels’ job was to make a short high-percentage pass, or run the ball in a safe manner. He did not do this. He chose to make with his best Elway impression by jumping towards three defenders in a vain attempt at gaining two extra yards. He, and the team, paid for this decision.

His second fumble was similar, in that it was poor decision-making on a safe play.

I agree with you that the “playing not to lose” thing is a little over-blown, but the Texans weren’t calling a game in order to have a 35 point lead. Rosenfels fucked it up with his Elway impression instead of the smart, conservative play, which was to slide.

by socctty on Oct 6, 2008 3:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely wrong.

The bootleg was the correct call. We called max protect, and only one player was in a route. Kubes told Sage that if the guy wasn’t there, and he had the run, go ahead and tuck it. If he couldn’t get the first, get down in bounds, we’ll force them to call the last TO, and make them go 80+ yards. this is from Kubes, and Sage confirmed.
Dude, you’re just fuggin wrong about this. Head hunting the coach and coordinator has no merit in this circumstance.

Finally... Games that matter!! (fuck vince young)

by beefy on Oct 6, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahah

So basically you just confirmed my argument. He told Sage to tuck it and get down. Why not just cut the bullshit and hand the ball off so that the option of throwing that pass isn’t even there.

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

??

I don’t think you can read, dude. Work on that.

Finally... Games that matter!! (fuck vince young)

by beefy on Oct 6, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good rebuttal

I’m looking at the big picture and you are just focused on the one play. You said yourself that Kubes told Sage to get down. You just can’t seem to wrap your head around the fact that had he not called the boot, the fumble never happens. Had he called a run or simply taken a knee, the fumble doesn’t happen, and we are probably celebrating a Texans win. I understand that Sage fucked it up, I get that, really I do. But my point is that he shouldn’t have had the chance to fuck it up, that call comes from the Coach

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I could not disagree more, and not just about how you managed to age Rosenfels five (5) years by the end of your comment. The Texans were up by 10 when the rollout was called, and if you’ll recall, they’d had success moving Sage out toward the sideline earlier in the game. Throw in the fact that a first down likely (a) gets you in FG range and (b) continues to kill the clock, and I’ve got no quarrel with that call.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Oct 5, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I'm not mistaken

They already were in fg range. Weren’t they at Indy’s 40? That’s pretty much inside Kris Brown’s range. And if not, you’d rather punt than just hand them the ball back and let them score.

And that second fumble, dear god.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They Were At IND's 39

So that’s a 56 yarder, which is a yard shy of Brown’s career long. I don’t think you ask him to make that kick unless you absolutely have to, which probably isn’t when you’re up by 10. You either go for the first down, or you punt.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Oct 5, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

So assuming they wouldn’t have kicked from there, it’s fair to say that, had Sage just slid for a 5 or 6 yard gain, they might have considered it, amirite?

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Right

Then you’re talking about a 50 or 51 yard FG, I think, so I’m not sure. Do you ask Brown to boot that, or do you just punt it to pin the Colts deep to avoid giving them the ball at their 33?

But to your specific question: Yes, they’d definitely consider it.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Oct 5, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick thought

I’m not sure if anyone reads McLain’s blog on chron.com but it was pitiful to see how quickly people turned on the team after the Colts went up 10-0. Houston will always be a 2nd rate sports town as long as fans like that are the majority in the city.

by tartan on Oct 5, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

A missed kick would be even worse, as it would have been spotted back at the 40 (or wherever 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage for the kick would have been).

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 6, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worse

Than a needless fumble that led directly to a touchdown while taking only about ten seconds off the clock?

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 6, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

My apologies for a crappy explanation there.

I was just tying into what Tim said about the play-call at the time. A 1-yard run up the middle, and missed FG on 4th down would have given the Colts the ball at about their 40.

These decisions were those made when 3 turnovers in 3 minutes by one player was still not thought of as a possibility.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 6, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're missing the point

I understand where you are coming from Tim. But you have to look at it from a different perspective. There was no guarantee that the rollout play would work, you were sending a QB (regardless of age) who is not a scrambler, naked into the defense. The chances for a fumble just went way up. The smart decision was to play the odds, hand the ball to your backs who are least likely to fumble it. If you get the first down great, if not you punt it away and make the Colts go 80 yards, and then have to RECOVER an onside kick, and then take the ball and score again.

by tartan on Oct 5, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Missing The Point

I understand what you’re saying. If you run up the middle and get a yard or two, clock ticks down to around 3 minutes, and you punt. Indy then has to score 10 points in about 3 minutes.

I’m guessing our fundamental difference in opinion is that I can easily envision Peyton Manning doing that against the Houston secondary, and I’d be terrified of IND recovering that onsides kick (though admittedly, the one they actually kicked was terrible and right to us).

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Oct 5, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree about the Colts

I’ve seen Peyton do it against great teams, so yeah you’re right. I see where you are coming from, but I guess I feel like sending the offense onto the field Kubiak should have known to call 3 straight runs no matter what the situation. Take away as much clock as you can and force the Colts to beat you. At that point you had only given up 17 points, so its not inconceivable that our D could have stopped them.

by tartan on Oct 5, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TO

I believe Indy still had 1 Time-out when we snapped that 3rd down attempt. So the clock would have only run for about 6 seconds for a run up the middle.

Thus, the only way to really put the nail in the coffin was to get a 1st down (in bounds).

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 6, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

Run the ball, make them use the timeout. Then punt it, even if it’s a touchback they have to go 80 yards for the score, which would have burned the clock even more. Then they have to recover the onside kick and score again. So no, the only way to put the nail in the coffin was not to get the first down

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

Exactly which part of my comment was Wrong? A run would take about 6 seconds off before the TO is called, and punting the ball to them is not putting the nail in the coffin.

If you’re going to call someone out as “wrong” in the subject line, then at least address which statement is being attacked.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 6, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its wrong because the clock is the Colts enemy, nothing else. We were up by 10, force them to burn their final timeout and go the length of the field on you with 3:50 left with no timeouts, and then recover an onside kick. Running the ball there (to a RB) gives you the best chance to win. Put all the pressure on them, take away any advantages, which in this case was their sole remaining timeout and force them to score twice in 4 minutes

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What YOU'RE missing...

The play WORKED. We got good yards. He was open to run for those good yards, making a Brown FG attempt plausible, or if you’re worried about the block, punt it or go for it on 4th.
Dude, the call was the right one. Accept it.

Finally... Games that matter!! (fuck vince young)

by beefy on Oct 6, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No it didn't

He fumbled the ball and they ran it back for a touchdown. It didn’t work. What part of this are you missing. This doesn’t happen if we take a knee there or they hand the ball off to the running back on a dive and he gains a yard. “The play WORKED” hahaha, beefy are you actually Gary Brackett?

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so...

You’re going back to the retort that Kubes CALLED for Sage to go all Clark Kent and leap 3 tall buildings? The play worked as it was called. you’re the only one blind here.

Finally... Games that matter!! (fuck vince young)

by beefy on Oct 6, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO IT DIDN'T

Had the play worked as you described it above (gets down in bounds), than the Texans would have won the ball game. What I am saying is, if that is Kubes instructions to him, why even call that play. Why doesn’t he step back and say, “Geez why roll Sage out and hope he gets down in bounds when I can just run it up the middle for no gain and force them to use their timeout.” I said this in another comment, but Sage has fumbled 3 times in 38 career rushing attempts. Slaton has not fumbled yet in his NFL career. The smart play was to run Slaton. I’m not blind, I just look at the game from a different perspective.

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair Point

While I understand the notion that the Texans should have simply run the ball (after the failed onsides kick), it was third and 8 when Sage fumbled away the ball the first time. One first down, or another ten yards, and you’re in FG range; Kris Brown is automatic, and another three points puts the game away. I have no problem with Kubes calling a pass play to try to pick up that yardage.

In that situation, if you’re Sage, and you’re under pressure, you go down. You don’t even think about getting hit, much less charging into three defenders.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Oct 5, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

Just caught the italics at the bottom of your post Tim, I couldn’t agree more. It really is a shame that so far that has been the best part of every Texans season

by tartan on Oct 5, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Nothing

If not self-deprecating, Tartan. Sadly, this 0-4 start makes it look like I’ll have to wait another year to change my sig.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Oct 5, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The stupid thing about all this

…is that if our coaches/qb had just a slighly larger clue, we could be 2-2 and patting ourselves on the back about how things are looking up.

POIUHDOPHodhepofhaesgfp98erujfhgp9iq3j4

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very disappointing

But I could almost, almost, see this coming. They beat the Jags 2nd team to close the season last year and everyone went wild because they went 8-8. That skyrocketed expectations, regardless of the fact that we had lost our best defensive back during the season and our weakness was in fact our secondary. Then with the schedule we played the first four weeks and Ike hitting… starcrossed if you ask me

by tartan on Oct 5, 2008 7:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

some blame to coaches, most to sage

The coaches are in charge of calling the plays, but the players are in charge of executing them. The bootleg wasn’t the best call for the situation, IMO, but Sage executed it as poorly as is humanly possible.

by BigTexBD on Oct 5, 2008 7:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Coaches should have never made the call. Sage isn’t a scrambler or someone who carries the ball regularly. The ball shouldn’t have been in his hands

by tartan on Oct 5, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

…but every kid from Pop Warner on up is taught to tuck the ball when they run.

And Sage is not a rookie. He should have known the game situation and the need to protect the ball.

That’s simply not the coaches’ fault.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it is

Kubiak should have known the game situation, and protected the ball, i.e. give the ball to Slaton or Green and run the clock down.

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're saying

…that Sage had no choice but to try to jump over two Indy defenders, expose the ball in the air, and have it knocked loose from his hands?

Is it not conceivable that Kubes called a bootleg for Sage (not an uncommon play call for this team, btw) on the assumption that he would have either a) completed a pass; or b) run for a few yards and slid?

And if Sage chose to do deviate from this commonsenical game plan, that’s somehow Kubiak’s fault?

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 6, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

You don’t seem to get it, the ball should have NEVER been in Sage’s hands. Kubiak has to be smart enough to know to simply run the ball up the middle or take a knee. Why even have the option for your QB to throw and possibly stop the clock, or run into the defense.

This isn’t hard to understand, the ‘commonsensical game plan’ is to hand the ball off. Everyone blames this on Sage but Kubiak should have never called his number

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, noted

You concur that Sage had no choice but to try to jump over two Indy defenders, expose the ball in the air, and have it knocked from his hands when merely sliding would have accomplished all of the things that a handoff would have done.

I don’t really know if it’s worth it to pursue this further, because we’re never going to agree.

Suffice to say that I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad idea to run a bootleg there. Sage made a poor tactical choice, but I don’t see that the play was necessarily a bad one.

I’ll be clear that I don’t think handing off would have been a poor choice either; for me the problem is the unneccesary choice that Sage made rather than the play call that put him out there. Because I believe he didn’t have to jump in the air like that.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 6, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess what i’ve been trying to say with my 40 comments so far is that I don’t judge the decision based on the outcome or what Sage should have done. I judge it based on the thinking that went into it. You are very right, had Sage slid, things are different. But Kubiak should know that he might not slide, that if he’s close he could fight for that first down and maybe god forbid dive for it.

Kubiak should have said to himself, “You know what, we have these guys by the balls, I’m just gonna hand it off up the middle and force them to use their timeout. That way they have to score twice in a little under 4 minutes, and in the process recover an onside kick. I’m going to punt the ball if we don’t get the first and make them go 80 yards or more for their first score with no timeouts.”

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
He should have known the game situation and the need to protect the ball.

Sage could also have felt free to apply that thinking to either of his next 2 turnovers as well. Dumbass. (Sage, not you Crusher)

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 6, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sage is a player that carries the ball regularly

Indeed, any QB in a Kubiak/Shanahan offense is that kind of player. Sage has done this play before and has done it well. Besides, it’s not as if QBs aren’t well-versed on what to do in that scenario.

It was clearly designed so that Sage dumps the ball off or he tucks it and scrambles for a few yards in order to set up the field goal try. Given Sage’s success on this sort of play in the past, the amount of yards you could pick up, the fact that a first-down was reasonably within reach on such a play, and how much the Colts expected this play, it was a good call to make. The play was a safe and successful play to call.

The problem wasn’t in the play design, is what my point is. It was in the player. I am absolutely sure that in the playbook, there isn’t a single page where Sage is advised to leave his feet and jump into three defenders.

by socctty on Oct 6, 2008 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really??

Safe and Successful? That’s laughable, because last I checked they rolled their QB out on a naked boot into the teeth of the defense and he fumbled the ball. Of course there isn’t a play where he is advised to leave his feet and leap into 3 defenders, but that’s football, Kubiak should know he’s going to try and make a play in that situation, Sage wanted the first down. There’s no shame in that.

The safe and successful call would have been to take a knee, run the clock and punt it. Give the Colts the ball with 3 minutes at their 20 and down by two scores.

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Teeth of the defense?

Really? He ran the bootleg, then went 7 yards past the line of scrimmage before encountering a single (or 3 in this case) Indy defensive player.

So if we ran it up the middle, and Slaton decided to ‘palm’ the ball with his arm fully extended, then that would be a bad play call by the coaches instead of a stupid-ass decision by the player??

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 6, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No it would not

Why would Slaton try to palm the ball? And yes the teeth of the defense, anytime a player is alone against 3 defenders that is the teeth of the defense. I’m sorry, regardless of how far he got, you were sending him on a naked boot against the D. Sage has fumbled 3 times in 38 rushing attempts in his career. How many times has Slaton fumbled?? ZERO. So yeah, it was a bad play call by the coaches

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree to Disagree?

Because there is no way I’m giving Sage a pass for playing with such a lack of fundamentals in the NFL. Leading against the Colts. With 4 minutes left.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Oct 6, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats fine

I don’t give him a pass either, it is what it is, which is unfortunate because he had played well. That td pass to Johnson off of his backfoot was a thing of beauty. It was funny, watching espn later they first showed Manning being interviewed and then they cut to Sage. The contrast in talent just made me shake my head and laugh.

by tartan on Oct 6, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just want to make one point

to everyone that thinks Sage single handedly lost this game, you are wrong. Any QB can make the mistakes that he did. Granted that the first fumble he made was a boneheaded decision on his part but the second. He didnt know that there was someone behind him. He was getting ready to let the ball go. Shaub has had the same thing happen to him before in a game. Every QB has had it happen. The O-line did a hell of a job blocking this game, but that last play Sage was pressured and had to scramble, so it’s partially the O-lines fault too. Am i wrong?

by TexanFanFromTheStart on Oct 5, 2008 7:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bad argument

if sage was pressured and had to scramble then he should not think that there is no one behind him. Sage really messed up on those fumbles. there should be no reason that a professional football player fumbles the football in the fourth quarter when trying to hold onto a lead.

by patrickw on Oct 5, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats true

But he had to make a hot route for the receiver to get open and was getting ready to throw it. I wouldn’t want him to run it again. WOuld you?

by TexanFanFromTheStart on Oct 5, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Positives

Slaton played well, as did Mario, and even Sage for the first 56 minutes. Andre should touch the ball 9 times every game

by tartan on Oct 5, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Our db's

actually made some plays. Duane Brown is looking like a good pick.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

Duane Brown looked good. But that deadly spin by Dwight is nasty for him. It got him a few times. Diles is looking good too. Bently still needs to get Greenwoods spot

by TexanFanFromTheStart on Oct 5, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

He’s got a bit to learn, but in general our o-line did it’s job today.

The problem is between the ears, both with coaches and players.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

He’s just a rookie. Agreed

by TexanFanFromTheStart on Oct 5, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brown did look good

And he absolutely KILLED himself trying to tackle Brackett.

Sad.

by HoustonDiehards on Oct 5, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The only good news of the week for me

…is that I’m up 7 buy-ins in my last 3 sessions of no limit hold’em. That’s something like 100 bb/100 hands or something like that. I’m running unbelievably well.

Other than that, this week has sucked huge donkey balls.

by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 5, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

trying to win

i agree completely, if nothing else, no more start sage threads should arise. love the playcall, trying to win instead of trying not to lose, but it seems like every time we try anything other than “trying not to lose” it comes back and bites in in the a$$. can’t wait for schaub next week….

when will the losing end? THIS WEEK!!!!!!!

by m1 on Oct 5, 2008 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sage rolling out

It’s Sage Freaking Rosenfels, it’s third and nine and you’re trying to nothing more than hold onto the football, and you send him out running with the ball. I would have preferred to see a pooch punt in that situation. You want to be aggressive? Run a playaction pass or throw it up for grabs in the end zone to #80. You’re asking for nothing but trouble in that situation having a guy run with the ball who is not trained to do so. If you’ve got a stack of cash that you’ve got got have deposited at the bank in five minutes or your store goes under, you can give the money to (a) someone versed in such transactions or (b) the stoner intern. Kubiak and Shanahan chose the stoner intern. These two coaches are the most boring, conversative, dull offensive minds in the league until all they’ve got to do is take the air out of the ball, and then they turn into an acid-dropping love child of June Jones and John Jenkins.

by Scott on Oct 5, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your post makes no sense

But perhaps the ambien is clouding it.

What is with this idea that a quarterback, particularly a QB in a west-coast type system, isn’t trained to carry a football? Where does this idea come from?

They are trained on how to hold a football and how to run with it, just as they are trained to execute a proper five-step drop, or how to receive a snap, or hold a kick. These are fundamental skills that quarterbacks are expected to have.

Let’s get something straight: it’s not like Kubiak sent Matt Birk out there to catch a swing pass, and now we’re all mad that Birk coughed it up. That’s not the case. With Birk, it’s reasonable to think that he doesn’t known how to control a football while running, or maneuvering. But Birk is a PUNTER. Rosenfels is a quarterback. He touches the football on every single offensive play. He occasionally runs with it. There is no reason to assume that the idea of ball security is foreign to him.

by socctty on Oct 6, 2008 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Sage = Slaton. Sorry for inconveniencing your time, Mr. Martz.

Chris Meyers touches the football on every single play. Maybe Sage should have set up some kind of shovel pass to him in that situation.

If you think a Sage Rosenfels naked boot in that situation is a sensible playcall, congrats. I entirely disagree. If Sage had successfully executed his No-Shown, gained enough yardage to sustain the drive by making a first down and held onto the ball, he’d be a living legend. That’s why it’s ridiculous for fans to criticize that play. Sure, it’s dumb, but he’s a backup QB, not a RB. That’s a risk you take when you send him out blind into the wild with the game on the line.

To me, the more inexcusable play was the second fumble. He wasn’t being asked to do something out of the ordinary there; he should have been protecting the ball much more securely in that situation. Mathis made a sensational play, but Rosenfels was clearly at fault there for failing to either get rid of the ball or protect it more securely.

by Scott on Oct 6, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only Blame

I would put on Kubes would be for not grabbing Sage by the face mask and telling him to hold that ball like he was keeping a child from wolves. That was like a swift kick to the nuts

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!

by Texanmaniac on Oct 6, 2008 8:32 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

And maybe if he had done this after Sage’s reach across at the 1 things would be much better right now…

Healthy and Turnover free 2008-09, and we win 11!

by texanphil on Oct 6, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

a swift kick from the jolly green giant, really….

when will the losing end? THIS WEEK!!!!!!!

by m1 on Oct 6, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what's being forgotten...

is that except for unbelievable, unthinkable last 4 minutes, this was an ass whipping of the colts that was spoiled by straight up knuckleheadedness!

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!

by Texanmaniac on Oct 6, 2008 3:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But seriously (well, not really)

That game was like scoring a date with a girl you’ve been working for a long time, and the date starts a little rocky but eventually gets going really well through dinner and drinks, and then you get back to your place and start fooling around and you think to yourself “holy crap this is unbelievable!” and clothes are coming off and its really heating up and then you’ve got her begging for more, but then you prematurely ejaculate into your eye.

It stings.

by BigTexBD on Oct 6, 2008 8:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

THAT

IS FUNNY!

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!

by Texanmaniac on Oct 7, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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