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BREAKING NEWS: Quinn Gray To Sign With Texans

According to the player himself, it's going to happen (and a special tip o' the cap to our boy Chris at Houston Diehards for bringing this story to light first on the non-traditional Texans fan blogosphere:

"I don't plan on leaving here," [Quinn] Gray said today. "I'm ready to sign. We've been talking on the phone, and now I'm going to meet face to face with Coach (Gary) Kubiak and coach (offensive coordinator) Kyle Shanahan."

"My agent (Drew Rosenhaus) has an agreement in place. It's a one-year deal."

McClain's article (first link above) says the contract is for $645,000.00 and includes a relatively paltry $40,000.00 signing bonus.  Put me squarely in Chris' camp on this one in that it's an awfully low number for someone who has a track record as a proven No. 2 QB.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Gray's contract reeks of No. 3 QB money.  So does that mean that I'm backing off my earlier assertion that the addition of Gray means that Sage will be dealt?  Absolutely not.  I'm still not buying the idea that your Houston Texans are going to carry three (3) quarterbacks in 2008 and/or that Gray would come here to be third on the depth chart.  I firmly believe that this signing means Sage Rosenfels is destined for a new home; my only concern is whether signing Gray before trading Sage hurts the Texans' leverage (as first expressed here by Solis in the previous link).

On that note, I'll open up the floor for discussion.  If Gray actually signs, do you like the move?  Does it spell the end of the Sage Rosenfels Era in H-Town?  Is the team showing premature faith in The Schaub?  Betting there's already a trade offer for Sage Smithiak likes on the table?  Is bringing Gray on board simply a case of further thinning out the market in the hope of driving the price for Sage's services up?  Have I closed this post with too many questions?

Update [2008-3-24 15:8:32 by Tim]: The deal is done. Quinn Gray is a Texan. Will Sage be one much longer?

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My initial guess was that they need more QBs for camp. They had 5 going into camp last year. Quinn would make 4 on the roster, I believe.  His salary makes it clear that he isn't in great demand. So the three QBs scenario makes sense. Especially when you realize BVP would have been the starter if Sage had gone down.


A guy on another message board who seems to have a lot of insight into the Texans organization suggests that Quinn is trade-bait for down the road a bit (i.e., to be dealt to a desperate team during training camp). I could also see them hanging onto Sage until they know whether Quinn can play in this system. [Hello Vikings, it's July and your QB situation still sucks. Coach Childress, how is your job security after two years of little progress? How about Sage for a #2 now?]

by kozanack on Mar 23, 2008 11:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm full of questions myself...
Why did we spend nine million (total contract, not guaranteed) on Cleo Lemon when we could pay him 650K for him to be a clipboard holder?

What does Quinn know about the Texans QB situation that we don't?

How does Quinn's Agent still have a job?  He could have re-signed with the Jaguars for far more than this and be just as close to a starting job.  It seems like someone thought that Gray would be in higher demand...

Anyhow, you're getting a smart backup quarterback that can come in if you need him and win games.  Jacksonville went 3 and 1 with Gray last season, and only one of those was a complete "run the ball to death" game (Tampa Bay).  I'll miss him, but I'm full of questions as to how this played out.

Of course, I hate to see the guy go to a Division Rival, but I'd assume that Matt is "the guy" in Houston...right?

-Chris

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by River City Rage on Mar 23, 2008 11:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Question for Chris
Is there any indication that Gray was a lockerroom cancer in Jacksonville? On the website for our sorry excuse for a local newspaper there are a couple posts, apparently from Jags fans, indicating he was.

by knave64 on Mar 24, 2008 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmnnn...
I know that Gray wanted a shot at being a Starter and might have been a little more vocal about it than he should have, but to call him a Cancer?

Nah, I don't buy it.

-C

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by River City Rage on Mar 24, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE:
Thanks for the props, Tim.  It's no big thing... I simply chose the Texans over spending time with my family, or celebrating Easter, even in the off-season.

Yeah, I've got issues.

 

by HoustonDiehards on Mar 24, 2008 4:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Easter
When I complained to the wife that going to the inlaws for Easter lunch/dinner was going to prevent me from doing a Travis Johnson's Easter post, she looked at me like I had crapped on the living room carpet.

by MDC on Mar 24, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it.
We may lose some leverage in the trade with Minnesota, but I might be willing to accept that.  If Gray can play anywhere near the level of Sage, then I'm perfectly okay with getting a third round pick for Sage.

by Leein3D on Mar 24, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Makes me wonder...
What exactly was the situation in J-Ville?  I get the sense that maybe Gray and Coach JDR didn't see eye to eye or maybe he had a problem with his a few of his former teammates..?  

It's all speculation, but the comments from the Jags faithful and Gray unabashedly stating his desire to be a Texan, make it seem as if he wants to come to Houston so he can go at J-Ville twice a year, even if its in a periphery role.  

A scorned QB maybe?

To DE or not to DE... that is the question.

by SOLIS on Mar 24, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For that kind of money...
He could be the water boy and it would be a good deal for us. I mean seriously, the league minimum? The guy's no Sage Rosenfels, but he's not that big of a drop off either. It's good for us but something just doesn't seem right. What I don't understand is how can we get offered a 3rd round pick for Sage, yet Quinn has to take league min salary to sign as a number three QB? Doesn't the value there just seem skewed? I gotta hop on board the conspiracy bandwagon here and think that his agent D. Rosenhaus knows something we don't and has advised Q that he will be the number two with a chance at some pt given the Schaubs propensity for getting hurt last year.

by bullpen116 on Mar 24, 2008 1:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

re: Conspiracy Theory
Take it a step further.  If QG & DR truly believe that Houston gives the best opportunity to get some starts with a decent/good/great(put down the kool-aid) team, then the 1-year deal would work in his favor.  It's a gamble, but it could result in a large payout if he performs as a starter in some '08 games....and then someone picks him up as a FA to be their starter in '09. (for an example, please reference Matt Schaub)

This still doesn't really explain the $$, but I'm guessing we'll know more once we know the intentions of Smithiak regarding Sage.

We can be critical of the draft picks, but in the end we always support the new Texan.

by Shake on Mar 24, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Done deal
I'm still knocked back by the fact that the deal was brokered by the shark.  Something about the deal seems fishy (pun totally intended).

<Cue the music from Jaws> "Da dant, Da dant, Da dant..."

To DE or not to DE... that is the question.

by SOLIS on Mar 24, 2008 3:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it possible?
Could there be some sort of $$ incentive for being QB-2, but it's detailed in the contract with some sort of non-disclosure wording?

That way it wouldn't tip management's hand regarding the plans for Sage?

We can be critical of the draft picks, but in the end we always support the new Texan.

by Shake on Mar 24, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

New conspiracy
He's might be a hidden tiger.  Meaning, he could be a spy sent by Jack del Rio.

[disclaimer:  I played a lot of Romance of the Three Kingdoms" growing up.  I have ancient Chinese stratagem ingrained in my brain.  I'm sure one day KOEI will trip a switch and I'll be one of several Manchurian Candidates roaming the streets... my reward for beating the game.]  

To DE or not to DE... that is the question.

by SOLIS on Mar 24, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: RotTK
Did you ever finish a game? It seemed to go. On. Forever.

by knave64 on Mar 25, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Empire(s)
Yes. I've been hooked since its days on the NES, then the Genesis and SNES, Playstation, and yes, there was a month back in 2004 that I bought a version for the PS2... and beat it.
To DE or not to DE... that is the question.

by SOLIS on Mar 25, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well then
my hat is off, sir.

by knave64 on Mar 25, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manchurian Candidates
I would not be surprised if KOEI had installed triggers to trip Sleeper Agents but I'm not sure if beating Romance of the Three Kingdoms is something to be rewarded for or punished. Being someone who played both Dynasty Warriors and it's bastard child Samurai Warriors I find myself feeling slightly superior.

by Dragon on Mar 24, 2008 7:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bout it bout it
Cut me some slack bro;
  1. I was an only child.
  2. I have a mind that is intrigued by strategy.
  3. I was already boning chicks by the time Dynasty Warriors came out...
To DE or not to DE... that is the question.

by SOLIS on Mar 24, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

typo
"I was already boring chicks by the time Dynasty Warriors came out..."

There, that looks better.

by bigfatdrunk on Mar 25, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Virility
What can I say, bro?  Chicks dug the stripes... that and my doggie style.  

Heh.  Some things never change.

To DE or not to DE... that is the question.

by SOLIS on Mar 25, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Wizard of Id watchman says,
"10 O'Clock and all is well..."  Or quiet, on the trade front anyway.

I scoured the Vikings blogosphere; neither their city's newspapers nor their blogging fanbase has made mention of any trade talks involving Sage.  

If something is in the works, their network of brodcasters is either oblivious or keeping mum.

To DE or not to DE... that is the question.

by SOLIS on Mar 24, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Terms
Well if I'm to accept that answer as truth I shall need verification in the form of 3 valid I.D.'s to prove your age and the number of your family so I can check out your "only child" claim. Then and Only then can I accept these facts to be truth!(or alternatively you could do none of those things and I suppose I would just believe you but be-grudingly)

by Dragon on Mar 24, 2008 10:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ripley's Believe it - or not!
Hey bro, you can believe in the Tooth Fairy for all I care -

Tell you what, make your way to SA and the first rounds on me.

 

To DE or not to DE... that is the question.

by SOLIS on Mar 25, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tooth Fairy
Are you trying to say that I don't believe in the tooth fairy?

by Dragon on Mar 25, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

first round on you?
uh,..where do we all show up in SA?

by 1Texan on Mar 25, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure - first round's mine
The Saucer, Champps, Brother's Pizza, The Bombay... wherever's clever holmes.

Just not on the Riverwalk... that shits priced for drunken tourists.  

To DE or not to DE... that is the question.

by SOLIS on Mar 25, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh of course...
NOW you want to be BFF w/ Solis...
We can be critical of the draft picks, but in the end we always support the new Texan.

by Shake on Mar 25, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's just
With that offer, I figured everyone would be going...you know, first round a 5 lb. margarita each...plus we have to make up for the missed burger...

by 1Texan on Mar 25, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good plan
I forgot about the availability of a personal margarita bucket in SA.
We can be critical of the draft picks, but in the end we always support the new Texan.

by Shake on Mar 25, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kubiak
The Kubemiester is selling the notion that he intends to carry all three quarterbacks all year long.  
Coach Kubiak on trading Sage:
"I know what people are saying, but signing Quinn has absolutely nothing to do with it. I've been a two-quarterback type of guy, but what happened to us last season scared the heck out of me, and I don't want to go through that again."

I don't know if I necessarily buy idea that he's seen the error of his ways -- that he's a changed man -- that he's seen the light.  My guess is that he still tries to make the team better in another area if the right opportunity presents itself.  Tyler may have been on to something with his draftday premonition.

Nonetheless, it can all be viewed as a win-win.  If someone makes an unrefusable offer for Sage - then we reap the rewards.  If we have to keep all three all year - then the worst that happened is that we spent slightly over the league minimum for a proven backup.  Not a shabby prospect either.  Keepin him is like shelling out an extra 3 bucks a pay period to add dental coverage to your health insurance.  It's comes cheap and its there if you need it.

To DE or not to DE... that is the question.

by SOLIS on Mar 25, 2008 10:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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