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Speculation on the First Round Draft Selection

Ok, we had the first glaring question answered yesterday with the promotion of Frank Bush, and while I am still not happy with the organization for the interviewing process they conducted, the more time that passes since yesterday afternoon, the happier I am about Bush as the DC. 

Although he utilized the typical cliché overloaded coach speak in both his press conference and his interview on the Texans official site, there were several key phrases that he repeated over and over that I think had a deeper meaning.  He could not state enough how the squad was going to ATTACK and be AGGRESSIVE which I think was a message to fans and players because that is what they wanted to hear.  The two most interesting phrases to me, however, were “simplify” and “everyone on the same page”.  I really think that was his way of throwing Richard Smith’s terrible and elaborate coverage schemes under the bus.  The one thing that he made a point of saying that I really appreciated was putting the onus for the defense’s performance squarely on him.

Even though Kubiak and Bush wouldn’t comment on whether the Defense was going to be given the first pick in the draft, I think it’s obvious that everyone in the organization that the defense is getting the focus in the off season.  Obviously you can always improve the offense, but since it was 3rd overall and the defense has ranked in the 20’s each of the last three years, it doesn’t take a genius. 

So, since I am a Texans fan and a football geek, I have nothing to do but speculate on the draft until April.  Some people have beat me to the punch; Riott had a great comment under the Bush promotion announcement on trading down with our draft pick, and the HoustonDiehards have a great mock draft tracker for our pick on his site (thanks for not including the one where we take Sam Bradford).

Obviously there are a lot of things that are going to change between here and the draft.  The combine always raises and lowers players’ stock and all the juniors haven’t declared yet whether they are coming out or staying in school.  That being said, you can speculate on who certain teams will select.  Sometimes teams take players purely based on the “best talent on the board” theory, but for the most part their need(s) will determine their selection.

I’m not interested in putting another mock draft out there because for the most part I don’t care who selects who other than how it effects our pick.  Below I have annotated the projected needs of every team that picks before us, and the best and worst case scenario for their pick.

1.  Detroit:  Needs – QB, LB, CB.  Best Case – QB/Worst Case – One of the top LB’s on the board.  It would be bad for us if they picked a LB here because there are other teams between the Lions and us that are in need of a LB but if their guy isn’t there they might take a DB or DL.  I just don’t see Detroit passing on a QB here though because of need and the tradition of drafting QB’s with the first pick.

2.  St. Louis:  Needs – OL, MLB.  Best Case – OL/Worst Case – Another top LB.  I think the only way they take a LB here is if one of the top prospects has a ridiculous combine and shows he can do it all.  Otherwise I think they prepare for the impending Pace retirement and compensate for Alex Barron’s poor performance.

3.  Kansas City:  Needs – DE, QB, LB.  Best Case – QB/Worst Case – Brian Orakpo.  I hope and pray they take the second rated QB, but I don’t see them picking a QB this early because of the relatively good play of Thigpen.  I think they’ll take either Orakpo or maybe Aaron Curry here, preferably Curry for our purposes.

4.  Seattle:  Needs – WR, OT, QB.  Best Case – QB/Worst Case – WR.  The silver lining to KC not taking a QB is that I think Seattle would be tempted to take one based on Hasselbeck’s recent injury history and Papa Holmgren leaving.  I think they end up taking Crabtree here, which I put as worst case because I think the general consensus is that there are only two WR’s worth taking early, Crabtree and Maclin.  The longer they stay on the board, the better the chance that we get lucky and some team decides they can’t pass on the sexy, fan favorite pick instead of taking the defensive player they need (i.e. Washington who has a history of terrible draft picks and drafted two terrible WR’s last year) or we can convince a team that drafts after us to trade up for Maclin if he’s still there.

5.  Cleveland:  Needs – OLB, S, RB.  Best Case – RB/Worst Case – S.  I don’t see Cleveland picking anything but a LB here.  Mangini and Ryan both love them some LB’s, especially to put their stamp on Cleveland’s D that only tallied 17 sacks last season.  I don’t see it happening, but it would be sweet if Moreno had a lights out combine and they felt they could not pass on him here, especially because it would put Tampa and Arizona in competition for Beanie Wells, therefore maybe another taker to trade our pick.

6.  Cincinnati:  Needs – OL, DE.  Best Case – C/G Hybrid/Worst Case – DE.  The Bengals need a lot of help on the O Line and after the injury plagued year that Palmer had, I don’t see them going any other way.  I read a good article about how it wouldn’t be crazy for them to take an interior O lineman this early because all of the beast nose tackles in the AFC North.  While I don’t agree with that, it would make me very happy.

7.  Oakland:  Needs – OT, WR, DT.  Best Case – OL/Worst Case – DT.  The Raiders are always a wild card when it comes to the draft because Al Davis is crazy.  He loves to take the sexy pick on the skill position, so I really wouldn’t be surprised to see Maclin go here, although I hope it’s a OT because that position is somewhat deep in this draft.

8.  Jacksonville:  Needs – OL, WR, RB.  Best Case – RB/Worst Case – OL.  This is the first pick that I actually really care about since we play in their division.  I hope they are stupid and waste a pick here, but I see them going with an O lineman.  The rest of the AFC South teams have dominant DE’s that ate them for lunch this year, and they live and die by the run.  It would be really nice if for some reason there was still a franchise OT on the board by the next pick.

9.  Green Bay:  Needs – DL, OT, DB.  Best Case – OT/Worst Case – DL.  I hope they’re enticed by some OT still left on the board, but I see them taking a D lineman here.  I fear that this and the next few picks are where we really start seeing our prospects come off the board.

10.  San Francisco:  Needs – OT, QB, FS.  Best Case – QB/Worst Case – FS.  I hate this pick.  I would love to talk about how Shaun Hill isn’t the guy, or their line was terrible, but the fact is that Singletary is in control now so it’s all about D.  Considering that their starting FS hasn’t forced a turnover since 2006 and he’s 32, this is where I see William Moore coming off the board.  With Mays deciding to stay at USC, that’s bad.

11.  Buffalo:  Needs – OLB, DE, TE.  Best Case – TE/Worst Case – DE.  I have a sneaking suspicion that we’ll see another DE off the board here, maybe Everette Brown.  They really need a TE to help their run oriented offense with 3rd downs, but this is too early to take Brandon Pettigrew.

12.  Denver:  Needs – DE, DT, S.  Best Case - ????/Worst Case – DT.  This picks sucks for us.  After taking Clady and Royal last year, their offense is pretty set.  The reason I say worst case is DT for us is because I don’t think Moore will be there when we draft and I think he’s the only S worth taking that early.  Depending on the worst cases listed above, the same might be said for DE.  I really hope they don’t take Raji here.

13.  Washington:  Needs – DL, OL, OLB.  Best Case – OL/Worst Case – DL.  Washington is a wild card because their G.M. is absolutely terrible at drafting.  I hope they decide to go with OL help here, which is actually smart considering how terrible their offense was.

14.  New Orleans:  Needs – S, CB, OLB.  Best Case – OLB/Worst Case – CB.  Yet another pick that is causing me pain.  They are in the same boat that we are, except that they need more help at LB as opposed to our need for DL.  For some reason I think they’ll end up with either Vontae Davis or Malcom Jenkins.

So that leads us to our pick.  Adding up all the best case scenarios we are left with maybe one of the top rated DE’s still on the board, William Moore, and a top rated CB still left at 15.  Worst case is there is a run on defensive players and we are left with no one really worth drafting that early.  I think that either way I believe as Riott does that the smartest play is to try and trade down.  I think the most likely takers are either Arizona to jump ahead of Tampa if the RB they like is still on the board, or possibly a team that needs a WR if Maclin is still there.

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Based on what I’ve been reading, Rashad Johnson of Alabama might be a good option in the second if he’s still there.

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by Jake on Jan 14, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The only thing

I think may be a little different is that Green Bay takes a corner – Al Harris is old.

by Riott on Jan 14, 2009 2:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's true.

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by Jake on Jan 14, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I have seen mocks having them take Ohio St CB Malcolm Jenkins

2nd ranked CB looks to be Vontae Davis from Illinois. Is he worth the 15th pick? I really don’t know. I think our need at DL and S is more pressing than CB. With Mays going back to USC, I see no excellent safeties left. William Moore from Missouri was unimpressive in the Alamo bowl. If BJ Raji is on the board do we take him, or gamble and move down to 20 – 24 hoping that we could get either Raji or Everette Brown? If we can add a #3 pick and still get Raji or Brown, I call that a win. What do you think Riott?

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 14, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WIth all of these juniors recently "undeclaring"

Then I’m starting to doubt Brown will be there at 15 even. I’m worried about Raji too. Jermaine Gresham, Sam Bradford, Ciron Black, Gerald McCoy, Taylor Mays, Trevard Lindley, Ndamukong Suh, Brandon Spikes (probably), Percy Harvin (maybe) all have stated they are not going to enter the NFL. That’s a huge number of players that either would have been targeted or would have been absolutely excellent draft “filler” to let the people we want fall to us, and to also facilitate trading down as a more legitimate option. The top of the second round players are sliding up to fill the bottom of the first, making it a little more difficult for us to trade down and get the sexy impact pick we want in the first round.

I would be happy with Michael Johnson, Peria Jerry, B.J. Raji, Everette Brown (unlikely) in the first round, maybe others.

I would love to be able to grab Chung or Rashad Johnson in the second, but with the shortage on safeties – doubt it.

But to answer your question – if we can trade down AND get Raji/Brown, I do back flips.

by Riott on Jan 15, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this rush of "undeclaring"

Because of the players’ prospects of making more $$$ in an uncapped year?

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by HtownJuggernaut on Jan 15, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Johnson?

The more I read about him, the more intrigued I get. What are the chances he’s there at 15?

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 14, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Chances are very good he'll be there

I’m not real high on him though. After Orakpo, I think I’m most high on Everette Brown.

I am intrigued by Maybin, but like Riott said – he’s kind of scary because of the “P” word.

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by HoustonDiehards on Jan 14, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Several different scouting reports

have Johnson pegged the same way; freakishly physically talented but lacks motivation. I’m also intrigued by Maybin, but I read an article today that said he would have really bennefitted from one more year just due to physical development. It’s hard not to like his upside though.

Let's get a better fight song.

by Jake on Jan 14, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Awesome mock

Finally, draft talk that focuses entirely on how other team’s needs will affect our draft pick.

Who do you think are the most likely teams to trade up to our spot? With Smithiak’s history of finding jewels in the later rounds, I’m all for getting as many picks as possible.

The only thing missing is a discussion of which teams in the second-half of the draft are most likely to trade up before our spot. It could change the picture dramatically.

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by HtownJuggernaut on Jan 15, 2009 9:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Pittsburgh is a team that might be looking to trade up to a spot around 15. They are in need of a stud OT, so depending on how the draft goes with Offensive Linemen they might be a team that would be willing.
Plus if history shows anything they are not shy about trading up for a player when they want him, they have traded up in the first round two times in the last six years. (Polomalu & S. Holmes).

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 15, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Speculation time

What can we get for Pittsburgh’s pick? I would guess that a second-rounder might be too much to ask for, but we should be able to get a third-rounder. That’s what we got last year, iirc.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 15, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well when they traded up to get Polomalu at 16, they traded their first, third and sixth round pick to move up and get the 16th pick.

The steelers will also have an extra third round draft pick to play with because they should receive a 3rd rnd. compensatory pick for letting Alan Faneca go in Free Agency.

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 15, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

There is a link to the nfl draft chart that most teams use to justify how much a pick is worth.

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 15, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a great resource, thanks.

Based on that chart, the Texans would be within their rights to ask for at least a first and a second, even if P-burgh loses this weekend and ends up picking 28th. However, I would guess that they would rather hold onto their second-rounder and give up a third plus a later round pick.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 15, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with you, but the steelers are only one team, many others may be looking to trade.

Also, the chart is somewhat outdated according to some Draft gurus. Those first few picks in the draft are almost impossible to trade up for without risking a whole draft. This chart was created by Jimmy Johnson in 1989. So obviously the money paid for the top 10 picks is much greater now, which some anaysts argue should make those picks less valuable than they currently are.

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 15, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Hardy

just “undeclared” as well. DE class gets a little smaller.

by Riott on Jan 15, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The log list of guys staying is surprising, and not in a good way for the Texans

I may have underrated Raji and Everette Brown. Is it safe to say that either is worth the 15th pick and we will be fortunate to have just one of them left on the board when we are on the clock? Thanks again for all of the quality content you have been posting.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 15, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Everette Brown isn't a option

I can’t stress this enough; he’s going to be a 3-4 OLB, as well as Aaron Maybin and a lot of the other guys being floated as DE prospects.

by socctty on Jan 16, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair Enough, Socctty

So hit me—who’s your guy at No. 15? The game is afoot!

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 16, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there is a consensus out there that Everette Brown cannot play a role in a 4-3 defense

At 6-2, 230 or so lbs one could argue that he may not have the size to be an every down player at DE. His pass rushing skills make him intriguing though. Could he not be a designated pass rusher from either a DE or OLB position? I think so.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 17, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly...

but do you spend the #15 pick for a third-down DE?

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 17, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No

No, you don’t. That’s a luxury pick that a team with as many needs as the Texans have can’t make.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 17, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Everette Brown that much of a tweener that he can rush the passer only?

He and Aaron Maybin are listed as DE’s. Soccty says they are really 3-4 OLB’s. Does this mean they cannot play OLB in the 4-3, and are too small to be every down DE’s? Riott, who seems to be a pretty smart dude, is high on Brown. His quote above “But to answer your question – if we can trade down AND get Raji/Brown, I do back flips.” Is he high on him at #15? Dunno. Is he too slow to play OLB in the 4-3 and still provide the pass rusher we need either as a blitzing OLB or from the DE in passing downs?

Would we rather go Vontae Davis, CB or Bj Raji DT? Lot of time to go and I like looking at mocks and playing the what if game. Throw some more names out ther and lets discuss.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 17, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

that Everette Brown can put on 15 lbs and stay mobile. Just to remind you, he is 6’4, 252 – not 6’2 230.

That closer to Maybin’s stats, who looks more like a skinny OLB than a DE.

I think Everette Brown could be good SLB in a 3-4, but I think he can also excel at DE in a 4-3.

Johnathan Abraham is 6’4, 263, just for comparison.

Slaton put on 15 lbs, I think Everette could be there too. But with the recent mocks coming out, they have Everette going before the Texans pick. Even though it shouldn’t, alot will change come combine time.

Raji should be there at 15 though. William Moore will as well.

by Riott on Jan 17, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know where I got that 6'2 230 on Everette Brown

Thanks for setting the record straight. Tons of time left before the draft, so rankings/mocks will continue to change.
Currently Scouts Inc top 32:
14) BJ Raji
18) Everette Brown
29) William Moore

Matt made an interesting post at DGDB&D, 2000 more words on defense. He makes a very cohesive argument that upgrading the D Line rather than improving the secondary is a faster way to improving our D.

There is lots of hype on William Moore, but he was unimpressive in the Alamo Bowl. I don’t see Polamalu, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor type ability there. If he looked like he was anywhere close to Taylor Mays, he would merit serious consideration at 15, but I just don’t see it. I really think we should be thinking D Line with our top pick, and if the right guy is not there at 15, then move down 5-10 spots and add a mid 3rd or low 2nd round pick. We could then go DT, DE or CB with the 1st pick depending on who is there. Would help fill more holes more $$$ efficiently.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 18, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a first round draft pick, but...

Just a little information about the Shrine game that piqued my interest:

DE/DT Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State: It’s fair to say Gilbert was the most impressive athlete on the field this week. His measurements were ridiculous (6-5, 287 pounds, 35 5/8-inch arms, 10 1/4-inch hands), but on the field he looked really fluid and played strong. He’s not going to be a run-stuffer inside, but his length and size could be a great fit for 3-4 teams looking for a starting defensive end in the third round — like 2008 East-West participant and current Miami Dolphin Kendall Langford.

by MaloneyPony on Jan 15, 2009 6:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Totally off topic, but...

I worked on a jet in the Air Force called Maloney’s Pony. Tail number 3023 IIRC. I’m sure this is thrilling information for most of you.

by Barrett on Jan 16, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I...

I.. don’t understand.

by Riott on Jan 16, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just replying to MaloneyPony’s username, that’s all.

by Barrett on Jan 16, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Every year...

The middle of the pack teams look to trade down. Its what we did at 18 last year. Being in that spot means you have an average team and that most of the exceptional talent has disappeared.

What do you guys think about Glen Coffee as a spell for Slaton? Probably 3rd round material…

by socctty on Jan 16, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

6-1, 200 lbs, 1400+ yds, 5.9 yds/att, 10 TD's, had a great junior season at Bama

scout.com projects him to be a 4th-5th rounder. If we could get him there and still use the 1st 3 rounds for defense he might work.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 16, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I want a bigger back.

215-225ish. A big back with not that many carries under his belt and NO injury history.

by Riott on Jan 17, 2009 3:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't fit your criteria perfectly

But I’m high on PJ Hill in the mid-late rounds (4-6). 5’11", 236.

From the link:

Hill may remind many of Dayne, but he appears to be a much better prospect. He has better lateral quickness and runs with as much power as his mentor. Hill has quick feet and excellent vision. He always finds the best hole to run through. He has even seen his role in the passing game become more prominent as his hands and blocking improve.

by BigTexBD on Jan 18, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Props to Diehard Chris

I know I’m late, but I just read a post on HoustonDiehards where Chris makes his case for drafting Ray Maluaga if he’s there. If you’re like me you probably think that is a crazy idea upon initially hearng it, but after reading his post I gotta say he made me an awesome case. It’s obviously not our top concern, but and interesting thought especially if you subscribe to the “best player available” line of thought.

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by Jake on Jan 18, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Sorry, I burchered the spelling of Ray Maualaga’s name.

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by Jake on Jan 18, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Further Contemplation

Looking over all the current mock drafts there are certain things that most people are in agreement with that I believe are true. Pretty much everyone thinks that in the first fourteen picks there will be at least 7 offensive players selcted consistin of 4 OT, 1 QB, and 2 WR. Even if that’s not the right combo, I think it’s safe to say there will be at least that many of offensive guys off the board, maybe one more if someone decides they can’t lve with out Sanchez or Moreno.

Assuming that’s right, we have to account for the top 6-7 defensive players being gone. Judging by everyone’s overall rankings, you know that you can say with confidence that Orakpo and Curry will be picked already. From there, everyone seems really high on Maybin and Brown as OLB in a 3-4. If my theory holds up, then 2-3 other players will be gone, but it gets a lot harder to say who it will be.

What I do know is that I would be doing cart whells if Malcom Jenkins was there. I konw this is long shot, but the more I read about this kid the more my man-crush grows. A lot of people are probably doubtful about drafting a CB, but I think he is probably the best prospect for FS in the draft. The kid is 6’1", 201 lbs and has great open field tackle skills. After reading a good bit about Moore’s poor ball instincts and Davis’s tendancy to be a head case (and having seen it from his brother Vernon or “the Cancer” as Mike Singletary reffered to him as) Jenkins is the only DB I would want to see taken that early

Raji is another possibility given my above hypothesis. I think that he is the surest bet to be there out of the pool of players I would be ok with drafting. I’m still not convinced, however, that this is a good move for us. Out of the three main positions of need (S, DE, DT) I would rate DT as the lowest priority. I like Raji, even though the motivation thing scares me, but my overall concern for the DL this year is to put some pressure on the QB.

Michael Johnson both excites and scares me. He is definetly what they are talking about when the say high risk/high reward. I think he might fit our needs well considering his biggest con is his run stuffing ability and his biggest pro is his rushing ability. The kid is 6’6" and would be a force if he could put on 20 lbs. and maintain his speed. One of the things I like the most about this kid is that we could trade down and still get him.

The last player that might be there and worth taking in my eyes is Ray Maualaga. I really like DieHard Chris’s idea of moving Demeco outside if we could et th right MLB. This pick would require us to have outstanding picks in the later rounds for taking a LB in the first, but Rick Smith has shown that he can do it and it would be an amazing LB corps which might be just what the doctor ordered for a first time DC who used to play LB in the NFL. Until he learns the ropes as a coordinator, giving Bush an ELITE LB corps would be a great tool to compensate for the learning curve.

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by Jake on Jan 18, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

DT?

dont we have Bulman, Okoye, Robinson, TJ???

frankly, i dont think we really need a DT…we need CB, S, or DE in first round

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jan 18, 2009 1:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

None of them...

is a NT. They are all UTs. Plus TJ sucks. NT is a huge need.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 18, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree TJ Sucks

Trade his contract for a 7th rounder and hope to steal a DT then…i was just saying taht we have more BIGGER issues, at DE, S, and CB, then at DT

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jan 18, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But that's false.

NT is a more pressing issue than CB, when you have Dunta, Fred, Reeves, and (most likely) Molden in the mix. That’s FOUR possible CBs. We have ZERO NTs on the roster.

Also, short of a Taylor Mays, there is no first-round safety in this draft who would make the overall impact on our defense that a NT would. None. And it’s not particularly close.

I’d take DE over DT because DEs are easier to project at the NFL level, but that’s it.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 19, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

True…Reeves is a decent CB..but IMO if Dunta is not resigned we need to go CB NO MATTER WHAT…

I’ve looked up info on rjali and i love him now…he would be a great pick, especially with Bush as DC and he being aggressive and needs good DT’s…with rjali being good, and really not much availabe at 15 (UNLESS Orapko is still there) then rjali or trade we should do!

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jan 19, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We're still WAY entrenched in BPA

aside from the obvious:
1. Trade down
2. No QB, FB, TE, K

in the first round, are we really that deep in ANY other position to bypass an upgrade ANYWHERE?

I think a first round RB is not wasted in the least. We got ONE next year. This is the NFL. I think we need to draft/pick up in FA TWO potential starting RB’s along with the usual signings for camp.

WR is in decent shape, as is our offense as a whole, but again, this is the NFL and our offense isn’t #5 in the league without AJ. One injury from mediocrity on that side of the ball.

OL was good this year, thanks Gibbs and DBrown, but depth can never be overlooked after watching the 2007 Texans.

Now I will grant that we could use MORE upgrades on the defensive side of the ball, but we’re not in a position to pass up an offensive player that is BPA. Again, aside from QB (not in round 1) and possibly WR, but I’d even be ok with a stud WR.

So now the defense. I’d love a stud Safety/DE like the rest of us, but I’d love upgrades at linebacker, DT, etc.

So at 15 we should look at the whole list.

Moreno, Wells if available are hopefully considered, along with all the defensive dudes y’all are talking about.

I hope at safety we get someone BIG and fast. I like how Ed Reed plays, and I’d like someone like that.

Please draft some defensive stars for the next DC.

by texanphil on Jan 18, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wells can't stay healthy. I say no way is he worth a 1st rounder for any team

Scouts Inc has him ranked 21st, but caveat emptor. Moreno is ranked 12th, but unless we have an unreal series of defensive FA acquisitions, I can’t see us going RB in the 1st round. None of the safeties, William Moore included, is worth a 1st round pick. I say we go DT BJ Raji at 15, or trade down to 20-25 and hopefully get DT Peria Jerry + a 2nd-3rd round pick. I also think Everette Brown works as a 1st round pick.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 18, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now you're talking.
go DT BJ Raji at 15, or trade down to 20-25 and hopefully get DT Peria Jerry + a 2nd-3rd round pick

Disco.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 19, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Attn: Riott (& others)

I thought you might be able to have some fun with this little toy

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Jan 19, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That

is all kinds of awesome.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 19, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fun toy, but they need to clear out Taylor Mays

1st simulation had us taking Taylor Mays. I blocked him out, and asked for BJ Raji, Everette Brown or Rey Maualuga in the 1st round. Brown and Maualuga were off the board when we took BJ Raji (reach -3) at #15. I ran 3 more sims, they all have us picking CB 2nd & RB 3rd. I did not adjust the screen where you can change position priority.

Thanks Shake I could spend hours playing with that sim toy.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 19, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm late to this thread.

Here are my thoughts.

I’m still on the train for Rey Maualuga – but I’m pretty sure he’s not going to be there.

Next, HUGE fan of BJ Raji – but since he’s already the highest DT on the board AND having a great Senior bowl – I’m just going to assume he’s going to have a good Combine, and he won’t be there either.

Option 3 for me is easy. TRADE DOWN. I think Rey is a sure thing. I think BJ is pretty close to one. Maybin, E. Brown and even Orakpo scare me. I think all could turn out to be busts.

I’d be fine with us trading into the 20s again and maybe reaching on a guy like Kruger or as stated above – Peria Jerry. Apparently Kruger has that unstoppable KVB-motor… so if we could get him and use an extra 2nd to get S Louis Delmas or an extra low 3rd to get Gartrelle Johnson RB from CSU – I’d be happy with that.

I’m also starting to see a lot of talk about Brian Cushing. Not sure how I feel about him yet.

by HoustonDiehards on Jan 22, 2009 7:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gartrell

beef pointed him out to me. Talk about the perfect compliment to Stevie Wonder. My only problem with him would be coming up with a nickname.

Then again, with a name like “Gartrell,” I don’t know if you NEED a nickname.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 22, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was all for shoring up the complimentary RB spot via free agency until I read up on this guy. He apparently has a 4th round grade, but if we ended up with two 3rds, I wouldn’t mind reaching with one if it’s late in the round (depending on who’s on the board, obviously).

6 feet tall, 225 pounds – AND already is comfortable with the ZBS. Sheeeeeeeeiit!

How about “for whom Gartrell tolls.”

Best I can do on short notice.

by HoustonDiehards on Jan 22, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Gartrell

He runs hard. I would snag him with our second pick in the third if he is there.

If we land Raji/Everette/Perry Jerry in the first

Any of the 5 safeties or Kruger in the second

Clay Mathews/Zach Follett/ Gartrell in the third

I would be happy.

by Riott on Jan 23, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For those of you like me who have a hard time keeping up with Riott

Here is the report on Zach Follett.

Riott, any low round sleepers you think would help us out? Thanks for all the scouting you do for BRB.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 24, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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