2009 Free Agent Hunt
Sorry folks - I've been wrapped up with resuming school and having a lovely $3,000 surprise bill dropped on my doorstep.
Enough about me. Let's move on to potential 2009 Free Agents for our Houston Texans!
Okay...we are going to talk about what's available, what we might try, and what is downright impossible and/or ludicrous.
As we talked about in a previous post , we have probably $24-27 million available under the cap after re-signings if we cut TJ, Weaver, Green, and Greenwood. We free up an additional $2 million with cutting Demps, so let's throw him in there as well. That leaves your Houston Texans with somewhere between $26-29ish million under the cap to play with. With these numbers in mind, let's look at what we may pursue.
First, defensive line.
Let me get this out of the way. The Face Stomper is available, but no chance in hell we go after him. Not only because he is going to demand (and receive) the biggest defensive contract in the history of the NFL, but also because he is a jerk.
Julius Peppers - Ahh, we've all had little fantasies about this one, we've replicated it in Madden, and the thought of Peppers and Mario on a D-Line just gave Trent Green another concussion. However, I don't see it happening.
As pointed out by Tim the other day, Peppers is going to want a Jared Allen-esque deal. I don't think Rick Smith is going to hand Peppers a $72.36 million dollar deal, with $31 million guaranteed. We won't spend that much money on a player who won't "put us over the top." We have too many needs to do that.
Peppers <would also be a bad fit. He has been whining recently, saying he would be better in a 3-4 (No, Julius, you wouldn't. You don't like to play the run.) and wants to sign with a 3-4 team.
If he came to the Texans, he would also want to play right end. We happen to have a relatively talented RE, if you haven't heard. Julius sucks at LE (at least he did in the Panthers' scheme) and simply could not produce. I think Mario could do it, but I'd rather keep him in his comfort zone--you know, the place where he keeps dominating people.
Verdict: Fun to entertain. Likely? No.
Bertrand Berry--Coming off a Super Bowl appearance (and possible victory), Berry might be looking to jump ship for a payday. He's getting up into that age where teams start to move on. At 33 years of age, he's a bit old to rejuvenate a D-Line, but he could be a role player. Heck, this regular season he had 3 more sacks than Travis Johnson's career total (this doesn't fully apply - he's a DE, but still). If he didn't ask for too much money (which he probably will), I think he could play a role at LE for 1-3 seasons while we help solidify it with young talent.
Verdict: Possible, under the right circumstances.
Shaun Cody--Coming off literally the worst season ever, this Lion is probably down. Considered a bit of a bust by Lions fans, he hasn't recorded a sack since 2005. However, at 6'4", 310, he could try and be a fit at NT. He is only 25 years old and has a lot of life left in him, and I think a change of scenery out of the lifeless hell that is Detroit could elicit a change in him. There were times this year in Detroit when I watched him and he looked pretty stout against the run.
The best news? He will probably come on the cheap. Coming from Detroit, he may be viewed as damaged goods.
Verdict: Cheap, and could possibly replace TJ at NT? Go for it.
Chris Canty--I know, I know, hes a 3-4 end. But I think he could work. At 6'7", 305, he's a pretty big dude, and has managed about 3 sacks a season playing in the 3-4. 3 sacks is pretty difficult when you have DeMarcus Ware on a dead sprint into the backfield every play. Canty is also just a scant 26 years of age, so he is not on the way out. He could for sure play the run well, but I also think he would be able to create pressure on the left side as well, considering he would be one on one often with right tackles, and he's just as big as them.
Considering the cancerous locker room he is in, Canty may be looking for a way out. If he comes at a reasonable price, I would consider him as well.
Verdict: New scheme for him, not ideal fit, but hell, the man generated 3 sacks competing with DeMarcus Ware. I think anything is better than The Corpse Formerly Known As Anthony Weaver. If he comes at a reasonable price, bring him in.
Marcus Tubbs--This large man excites and scares me all at the same time. At 6'3", 320, he would fit very well at NT for us. He has even been dominant at times for the Seahawks. The problem? He is coming off microfracture surgery in his knee in 2006, was on IR all of 2007, and was released in 2008 for not progressing with rehab. Sounds like a Charles Spencer case to me. If we could bring him in for no or little guaranteed money...do it. He was dominant when he was healthy, but him being healthy was rare.
Verdict: His knee is a huge question, but if we can get him up to 75% of peak performance, we have a much better NT than we did previously.
Terrell Suggs--Suggs is an interesting prospect for us, because he could probably play DE or SLB. Personally, I would rather have him with his hand down. After all, that was his whole argument during his franchise year, right? He is a ferocious pass rusher, and I feel would be a magnificent compliment across from Mario. I just don't know if he would be willing to convert to a full-time DE. There is also a very strong possibility that he is franchised by Baltimore, as they can probably work something out for Ray Lewis and Bart Scott probably isn't in as much demand.
Suggs will probably command a pretty big contract, but not along the lines of Allen or Peppers. He would add a great, young, proven player for our DL, but it would lock up a lot of our cap wiggle room.
Verdict: I would love it, but don't think it will happen. I think Suggs is going to be Baltimore's priority this offseason, and that leads us to..
Linebackers
Bart Scott--Bart Scott seems to be much more attainable than Suggs. Bart Scott, as Diehard Chris pointed out ,would be a pretty awesome force at SLB. Not only are we bringing in a proven, quality SLB, but he's also an awesome presence in the locker room. He's 28 years old and definitely has some life left in him. Bart Scott loves to hate, brings the pain, and I think our defense could use a badass veteran presence. Also, I just caught on SportsCenter that it is going to cost Baltimore about $19 million to keep Suggs and Lewis (purportedly the Cowboys are going to offer $8 million a year for Lewis, so they would probably have to up it). I think Scott is the odd man out, and to see Adibi, DeMeco, and Scott as a linebacking corps would excite me.
Verdict: Do it. It would probably cost us $15 million ($7 million guaranteed) over 3 or 4 years to land Scott. I think it would be worth it.
Karlos Dansby-- Dansby has been awesome for the Cards this year, racking up 119 tackles in '08 regular season. He's young at only 27 years old, and he probably isn't the biggest concern for Arizona, as they have to worry about Kurt Warner leaving in free agency as well. Dansby will probably be asking for around the same money at Bart Scott, but would probably be a better fit due to his play in a 4-3 at the moment. The only thing is that in all likelihood he will be locked up quickly in the offseason, as Arizona has $41 millionish in cap space for the 2009 free agency run. I think he could do well as the SLB for the Houston Texans, though unless he has a problem with Arizona, I think he will be going back.
Verdict: Would be a good fit, but unlikely due to Arizona's huge amount of cap space.
Johnathan Vilma--I was going to do a write up on Vilma, but I don't think he's a likely target. He's been arrested and he wants to go back to New Orleans and the Saints have said their priority is to re-sign him. I don't think he would be too good a fit on the field and/or in the locker room.
Michael Boley-- Boley was Atlanta's SLB this year, and he was a difference maker. He is a little small at 225, but he played all out and played well. He had no sacks this year (and one INT), so his ability to get to the QB is in question, but he is only 26 years old and pretty good in coverage. I don't think he would be an ideal fit by any means, but he would be a capable starter that could be had at an affordable price.
Verdict: Reasonable if we can't find anything better and we don't project we are going to take a true starting SLB in the draft.
Angelo Crowell--Angelo Crowell is an interesting prospect. Coming off season ending knee surgery for chrondromalacia , his rehab is progressing ahead of schedule. Before his surgery, he was an impact SLB for the Bills, amassing 119/83/126 tackles from 05-07, with 16 batted passes, 7 sacks, 4 forced fumbles and 5 INT over that three year period.
Bad news? He's coming off season ending knee surgery.
Good news? He could be a true starting-caliber, impact SLB for the cheap... if he comes back to full form.
Verdict: If Crowell passes all the physicals, and looks like he can move well, sign him to a decent contract with low guarantees and a lot of escalators for performance. If he plays up to them, I'll be more than happy to give him good money.
Defensive Backs
Nnamdi Asomugha--The other potential signing that give Texans fans warm fuzzies. Nmamdi would look very good in Battle Red, but the likelihood that he comes here is low. First and foremost, he is a true team player... which boggles my mind. He actually WANTS to stay in Oakland to help his team. Why, Scrabble, why do you do this to me? Toss your camaraderie out the window for a moment and come to us.
Secondly, Al Davis the Zombie Lord will probably franchise him. Honestly, who else are they going to franchise? The punter? They really have no one else to use the tag on, and there have already been rumors that they are negotiating long term to lock him up. I love the Raiders' tradition, but I hate Al Davis so much. I want him to get an air bubble in his IV tube and just not wake up one morning.
But I digress.
Verdict: Even though it would be ridiculously expensive, I would be so happy to see it done. But I don't think Davis will let him out of his cold, evil clutches.
Dawan Landry--Dawan Landry is a good young safety, albeit one coming off of a spinal cord concussion. He ran head-to-knee into Jamal Lewis and was carted off the field in the beginning of the '08 season and is now a free agent. His job got taken over by Jim Leonhard, and it is projected that Leonhard will keep his job even if Dawan returns. Landry is a starting quality safety who plays the run very well and does a decent job against the pass. Since he is coming off an injury and lost his starting role, I think he will be cheap. I also think he will be better than most safeties available in the draft (Louis Delmas, Patrick Chung, and Rashad Johnson are the only safeties I think could step in and perform; William Moore is showing he is a liability in coverage at the Senior Bowl).
Verdict: Same as with Crowell--if he returns from injury and comes at a reasonable price (don't low ball him, but don't throw the bank at him either), I believe he could be a capable starter for quite awhile.
Oshiomogho Atogwe - I would join Al Davis in the sacrifice of virgins to get Atogwe here. He is basically the lone bright spot for the Rams' defense the last 3 seasons, totaling 16 INT (and 6 forced fumbles in 2008 alone). He is a game-changer at free safety and not afraid to lay the wood. He is also only 27 years old and might want to move to a team looking to take the next step. The only problem is that he looks like a guaranteed lock for the Rams to franchise this offseason due to the fact the he was the team's defensive MVP and is a great locker room leader.
If he managed to sneak away un-franchised, he would want a big payday. If we are smart, we'd give it to him.
Verdict: I want him. He is a game-changing free safety and young to boot. He would cost us quite a bit, but it would be worth every penny, and there is NO safety available in this draft I think is up to his caliber, at least as a starter in 2009.
Brian Dawkins--Now, Dawkins is a playmaker...that can't be denied. However, he is old. Like, ancient old. At 35, he is definitely on his last legs and won't be in the league for more than 2-3 years. But he would be a definite upgrade to our defense, and would be an amazing veteran leader to a relatively young secondary, especially if we draft a corner/safety that we expect to start. By no means is Dawkins a long-term solution, but I think he knows how old he is, and I think we can get him for a good price if the Eagles are willing to let him go. Yet he probably wants to end his career with the Eagles and would sign back with them for a discount, simply out of loyalty.
Verdict: He would be an improvement for a season or two, and a great leader for an up-and-coming secondary. He would probably come cheap due to his age.
Okay guys, I'm glad you made it this far. These were players I thought could step in and start, not necessarily back-ups or camp bodies. I'm sure I missed some, so jump into the Comments and let me know. I also did not go into offensive linemen, but Jeff Saturday, Matt Birk, Jahri Evans, and Jason Brown would all upgrade the center or right guard spot. They might be deserving of a further post, but for the time being, we will look at throwing cash at defensive players.
If we could pick up Suggs, Scott, Nnamdi, or Atogwe, I would be ludicrously excited. The others, I think, have a lot of boom or bust potential, but would be good shots for the right money.
What do y'all think?
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I'm still high on Scott, of course
He can cover, he can bring the pain – and I really think he’d adjust fine to the 4-3. He’s just one of those guys who’s a natural playmaker with great instincts, and you can never underestimate the importance of instincts when it comes to LBs.
Like you said – Peppers, Albert, Nnamdi, Suggs, etc., are all pipe dreams. I mean – even if Asomugha was available, you couldn’t talk about him coming to Houston without accepting that Dunta Robinson is gone. Aso AND Dunta would mean three big contracts for CBs in two years.
I’d love for them to handle the safety hole in free agency. I’d love Landry or Atogwe. Like you, nobody in the draft excites me, unless maybe we could get a guy like Sean Smith from Utah in the second round.
Safety is apparently going to be a little deeper next year – so I could totally see the Texans patchworking that position in 2009 (as they did with DE in 2008 by not drafting one) and getting their guy next year in the draft.
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by HoustonDiehards on Jan 21, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Scott in the 4-3
Don’t forget that the Ravens have a lot of different looks, so Scott played at least some of the time in a 4-3 set-up. I don’t think that would be an issue at all.
God, I want Bart Scott in Steel Blue.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Jan 21, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if he's considered a "realistic" FA possibility
…he’s (obviously) at the top of my list of the realistic ones.
Plus – like Riott said, he’s going to be available. No way they franchise him over Suggs.
by HoustonDiehards on Jan 21, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would give you a $3000 bill?
Be careful. I think it’s probably counterfeit.
When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 21, 2009 8:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Easily to tell if it is.
The real $3000 bills have William Henry Harrison on them.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Jan 21, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on
You know that he means he is being billed for $3,000 in charges.
I just didn’t know you could get hookers to bill you later.
by Shake on Jan 21, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When you are such a frequent customer...
You can put off charges like that for 2, maybe 3 days. It’s hard to pay it off when you know you are just gonna do it all again.
by Riott on Jan 21, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is one understanding pimp.
All the ones I deal with are all “pay me or I’ll cut you” and “it costs extra for a dirty half-and-half.” Jerks.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Jan 21, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I WOULD LOOOOVE...
…TO SIGN ANYONE ON THAT LIST!
for some reason, i don’t see us spending ANY big money at all other than resigning our own guys.
question: i was under the impression that asomugha cannot be franchised this year as a stipulation from the contract he signed last season after being franchised.
by tubbsmoya on Jan 21, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Asomugha
I think the “no franchising again” clause was only in effect for Haynesworth. I believe Nnamdi can get tagged again.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Jan 21, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Brown, Chicago Bears DB
Sounds promising….
Some teams play games on Sunday...ours goes to War. Go Texans!!!
by JMPeffer on Jan 21, 2009 9:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mike Brown
is almost definitely a lock to be allowed to play the free agent market by the Bears. They have basically said they don’t want him back.
Brown has had a lot of injury issues, and at 30 is definitely past his prime. He is not a ball hawk by any means, having notched only 3 INT’s in the last 3 years, but would probably be an upgrade in the secondary. I would pursue him if no other options we available in Free Agency at safety, and maybe pursue a 2-3rd round safety as well, unless of course a wonderful DE/DT option is available to us.
by Riott on Jan 21, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atogwe would be the nuts.
Especially since Taylor Mays isn’t coming out.
But while a bad defense doesn’t always mean that there aren’t any great players on a team, it is a little bit sketchy to be plucking players from a defense that gave up 29 points per game.
It’s about keeping your own, I think. If they manage to lock up OD, Slaton, and possibly Dunta, then I don’t mind making a move like that. But we don’t need to “Jets” ourselves and handout cash to FAs while our homegrown players are wondering when they’ll get paid.
by Nashmeister on Jan 22, 2009 12:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it, the more
I want to throw stupid money at Atogwe. I agree we have to lock up everyone at home first, but other than Suggs, Nnandi, or sigh Haynesworth, I don’t think we can get that much of a guaranteed impact right away, and fill a ridiculously important need. I would love to lock up FS for the next 4-5 years with Atogwe, and focus on growing a SS (Chung?) and cultivating everything else on D.
It is 2 am though, so everything could be starting to get blurry.
by Riott on Jan 22, 2009 1:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
love those two upgrades
but I think we need that oft-suggested trade down for us to get Chung without reaching in the first, don’t you think?
IOW do you see him lasting until pick 46? He’s a reach at 15, right?
I’d be pumped with both of those upgrades and a 2. DT 3. DE
Please draft some defensive stars for the next DC.
by texanphil on Jan 22, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a reach at 15
but right now he is probably the #1 or #2 true safety on the board.
There are 5 safeties I would take in the second round – Patrick Chung, Louis Delmas, Sean Smith, William Moore, and Rashad Johnson.
Chung is the nastiest of the group, and plays the ball well, but doesn’t get a lot of INT’s.
Delmas is very fast, and a good leader – he has made a name for himself at the Senior Bowl. He also had 5 picks on the season – but against lesser competition.
Sean Smith is 6-3, 215 and runs a 4.5. He played for Utah, so he competes against good competition, and looks great.
William Moore just hasn’t impressed me that much. He got burned a lot at the Alamo Bowl, didn’t seem to have the range necessary to be the safety I want him to be. But he has the good reputation ans scouts like him. So we will see what happens.
Rashad Johnson is from Alabama, 5-11, 195, running a mid 4.4. Nick Saban has called him “the smartest player he has ever coached.” He is in a true free safety mold and I think would be able to start as well.
I like all 5 of these guys (Moore is in my doghouse, though) and at least 3 of them will be available when we pick in the second round. I trust Rick to make the best decision.
by Riott on Jan 22, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
I rank them Smith>>Chung>Johnson/Delmas>Moore. I might even put another > between Smith and the others. Then again, I tend to fall in (non-gay) love with large safeties.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Jan 22, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never
seen any of them play other than Moore, so I don’t feel very comfortable differentiating between the 4.
Sean Smith is intriguing, being 6-3 and fast. He also had the coverage skills to play corner at the collegiate level, which makes him a better man coverage safety prospect as well.
It will be fun to watch how the combine affects how the safeties, as this group is neck and neck for who is the best. I hate the combine, but it always does change something.
by Riott on Jan 23, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if Sean Smith is considered a first round talent right now
… but if he’s not – he will be after the Combine. I’m high on him. Hell, I’m NASHVILLE high on him…. but the only way we get him is if we trade back into the 20s of the first.
by HoustonDiehards on Jan 23, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Delmas
is the only one I didn’t see at least once.
And, seriously, a safety with corner cover skills? As a Texans fan, I have no idea what that looks like. Though I assume it looks pretty awesome.
Like Chris said, though, the only way we’re realistically getting him is if we trade down in the 20-25 range, I’d imagine. With Mays off the board and Moore looking like turd, Smith will rocket up the board if his Combine is strong.
Now, I know I’ve said I’m against a first round S this year in general, but if we could get him late in the first, I’d be fine with it as long as we weren’t passing on, say, Michael Johnson (who I know you’re not exactly high on).
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Jan 23, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
About Scott
There are reports that the Ravens won’t get into a bidding war with Dallas over Ray Lewis and instead will focus on retaining Scott and Suggs. I’m looking for the article so I can quote it, but I’m at work and I think it’s blocked. Anyways, the Ravens know that the Baltimore faithful will be upset if Lewis is not kept, but Jerry Jones giving him a truck load of cash will kind of vindicate them with the public. I would love to have Scott too because I love his style of play and I think we are one LB away from having an amzing corps, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they’re going to take advantage of the media circus that Dallas creates and let Lewis walk.
Let's get a better fight song.
by Jake on Jan 22, 2009 6:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ravens won't franchise Lewis
The Baltimore Sun is reporting that the owner of the Ravens has stated he won’t use the tag on Lewis and that they are also negotiating with Suggs. If they can’t reach an agreement with Suggs they may tag him again. Where that leaves Scott, I don’t know.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.ravens22jan22002018,0,3291855.story
- tyler
by bullpen116 on Jan 22, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nnamdi
Hey I have a question about signing Nnamdi Asomugha. If I’m not mistaken he was franchised last year by the Raiders, I thought that meant that they couldn’t franchise him again because you can’t do it consecutive years to the same player. Am I wrong? Does anyone know? I know he is still loyal to Oakland but I think that could help our chances, maybe a sign n trade?
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Height- 5'9
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by SlatonShuffle on Jan 22, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure that's the case.
I think some players (see Haynesworth) negotiate clauses in their contracts that prevent them from being franchised if they meet some incentives. Either Asomugha didn’t have that going for him, or maybe he didn’t get the pick numbers that he needed. I guess it’s sort of tough to get INTs though when teams throw at you once or twice per game.
by Nashmeister on Jan 22, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can franchise a player
as many consecutive times as you want, as long is there is no official contract language that says you cannot if they reach a certain goal.
by Riott on Jan 22, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
the only downside to it (from a financial standpoint) is the player is guaranteed a raise of 10% or the average of the top 5 contracts for his position, whichever is higher. So the guy who is making $5M this year costs at least $5.5M next year, then $6.05M…etc
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Jan 22, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the very, very last things I want to do
Is to trade for a top tier player. It costs us too much. Undead Al will want ATLEAST a first and a 3rd for Scrabble. I think we can fill needs through the draft – for the long term, rather than pulling a Dan Snyder and just tossing your draft picks at people in the hope something good comes out of it.
by Riott on Jan 22, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason for Scott
Even his website is scary! http://www.madbacker.net/
by TexanTerp on Jan 22, 2009 11:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
awesome. my personal fave is the ‘Madbacker’ coffee mug. I think I might need one of those.
- tyler
by bullpen116 on Jan 22, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see us go after Cody and Canty to replace TJ and Weaver
I read that BJ Raji is wowing them at the Senior Bowl so he won’t be available at 15. Orakpo and likely Everette Brown will be gone too. Peria Jerry is doing great at the Senior Bowl, but ESPN has had some bad things to say about his physical conditioning, so he may be available at 15. Maybe not. I think game performance says much more than combine stats, and he is impressive on the field as a run stopping penetrating DT. If we get Cody & Canty signed then our need for a defensive lineman in the draft is greatly diminished. While Jerry IMO would be a good pick if he is avail at 15, we would be free to concentrate on LB, CB & S. I think that Cody & Canty’s combined salaries will be low enough that we can still go after Atogwe, but I just don’t think he is realistically available. The Rams have to keep him. We add a Safety in the draft.
by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 22, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
STOP TRYING
to take away our potential FAs.
cmon guys pick on someone else
:p
by heapheap on Jan 25, 2009 12:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good Stuff
You know Bart Scott’s gone though, right? Suggs gets franchised, and Ray gets paid, but Scott’s the odd man out…has to be, unless he’s willing to take a ridiculous hometown discount. I’m very interested to hear what a rational Ravens fan thinks.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Jan 25, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vilma bad in the locker room?
Do you know anything about this guy? He graduated with a 3.5 GPA from Miami and was on the Dean’s List. Let see he got arrested, maybe just maybe it was an idiot cop that resented a young black guy driving a nice car? You can worry about his size but not his character.
The guy you missed that is a LE who will be on the street is Shaun Ellis. He is ok/good in the 3—4 & a stud in the 4-3.
by Huh? on Jan 27, 2009 10:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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