Vince Young: Would You?

by Tim on Jan 6, 2009 10:26 PM CST in News Comment 49 comments

Being a Texans fan in January necessarily means that it's the perfect time to engage in completely baseless speculation. What's that? You say there are playoff games going on? What's this "playoffs" you speak of?

Anyway, I received an interesting e-mail from none other than BRB co-founder/onetime contributor/real-life person Scott this morning. Because I love nothing more than stirring the pot and debating things that will never happen, I provide that correspondence (entitled "Proposal") in its entirety for your review:

Texans send fourth round draft pick to Nashville for Vince Young, with Vince agreeing to serve as the #2 QB, #3 WR, KR and PR. It is patently absurd that the Titans' hapless offense muddles up and down the field without a single downfield playmaker when they have such an incredibly dangerous weapon sitting on their own bench.

Before we all start tearing this theory apart, let's get reality out of the way first. This is purely hypothetical. Your Houston Texans aren't going to acquire VY from the Titans. Not happening. Won't happen for any number of reasons. First, VY could very well still be in the long-term plans for Bud Adams' Army of Darkness, Kerry Collins' meteoric and unexpected rise and/or VY's meltdown notwithstanding. And VY's contract, as currently constructed, would surely be a huge impediment to any such deal. And there's no way that Smithiak would pull off a deal that would be the equivalent of changing the team name from "Texans" to "Totally Unnecessary Quarterback Controversies." Oh, and Sage Rosenfels remains under contract for one more season, so it's not like backup QB is a dire need. Under any interpretation, Scott's proposed trade would not and will not happen.

Still...would you give up a fourth-rounder for Vince Young? If so, why? If not, why not? Is there anything you'd trade for VY, or is the thought of him coming to H-Town such a repugnant idea that you refuse to even consider it? I have a sneaking suspicion that this post may elicit some rather lively commentary.

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hmmm

not sure if i would…would really hurt us money wise and lessen our chances on other better ppl…

4th rounder is still a good pick to keep…still good talent like Owen Daniels and i believe Dominick Davis/Williams was a 4th rounder…

ill keep the pick

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jan 6, 2009 10:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

No

That may be a good deal for any team outside of Texas. He has too many fans here, who would make life hell for the Head Coach.

by kozanack on Jan 6, 2009 10:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

is that a real question?

adding vince would turn our team into a fox tv show. vince will always hold a special place with me, but schaub is our qb and vince needs to start somewhere…at some point?

by tubbsmoya on Jan 6, 2009 11:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Nope.

1 – 4th-round picks since Kubiak took over the team: Owen Daniels, Fred Bennett, Xavier Adibi.

2 – I just watched the second half of the Texans win over the Titans (again). When Collins went to the bench to review stills with the OC, who was next to him? Chris Simms. Who was by himself all alone and presumably pouting? Vince Young. That’s not the kind of player I want anywhere NEAR my team – and if the argument to that is “well a change of scenery would do him good” my response is – I don’t want someone so mentally weak as to need a change of scenery – especially this early in his career.

3 – Football fans, by and large, are stupid. Sorry – they are. The second Matt Schaub threw two picks at a home game, the “we want Vince” chants will start, and I’ll blow a gasket and start using my blog to tell the fans of the Houston Texans to go fuck themselves.

4 – I don’t want to trade or have any dealings with the Titans unless it’s an OBVIOUS win for us.

5 – In the above scenario he is the #2 QB?? Hell to the Mother Effing NO. He can’t get ahead of Chris Simms in Tennessee! We would be another cheap shot away from going to our #2, and it would be VY? In OUR offense?? His brain would explode.

6 – Uh – now all I can think of is how this would ensure all Texans games are shown in Austin. On second thought….

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by HoustonDiehards on Jan 7, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Well said HD

Happily I do not have to worry about the CBS affiliate in Austin’s choice of games. There is no reason for Houston fans, regardless of how burnt orange they are, to want to see VY come home now. It would be a ridiculous circus for everyone (players, coaches & media) similar to what the Dallas effing Cowboys are now. We are too close to putting this thing together, and VY would be a huge step backwards.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 7, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would give a 7th for Vince Young, after he massively restructures his contract..

so Mario can smirk at him and whip him with a towel in the corner of a shower til he cries.

by Riott on Jan 7, 2009 12:07 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

LOL

I agree!

by Jahon on Jan 7, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

When you win a National Championship and Offensive Player Of The Year as a rookie there may actually be some credibility in what you say.

by jasonstathum on Jan 14, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

Vince was always a “project” QB. I think he might still one day become a decent QB, but right now he’s just a vastly overpaid interception machine. A 4th round pick might be a good deal for Vince, were he bound to a semi-rational contract, but all he’d do now is destroy the Texans’ cap space.

Besides, why would we need a 3rd WR/KR/PR? Special teams are an issue, but they’re the easiest area of the team to improve without any “big” trades. And Andre Davis/David Anderson almost certainly do a better job at those positions than Hypothetical Vince. And we don’t have to worry about Davis and Anderson screwing up their throwing arms, either.

Like I said, I think Young would be a decent project to take on and develop for a year or two. But not for $13MM/year

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 7, 2009 12:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

i am imagining vince young in our offense

if you think schaub and the rosencopper turn the ball over, well, vince would be several orders of magnitude worse. like, record-setting worse

by cubic on Jan 7, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

What facts do you have to support that speculation? rosenfels blew the colts game in the last few minutes, and Vince is yet to do anything so stupid with the football. Schaub is at best, a journeyman quarterback – not near the athletic ability of Vince Young. He doesn’t have a National Championship or Offensive Player of the Year on his resume either.

by jasonstathum on Jan 14, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure, pass the pipe, I'll play.

I propose a package deal with Weaver, T. Johnson and Reeves. Cuz you know, those are all dire ‘need’ positions for the Titans.

I wonder if he’s fast enough to play Strong Safety……hmmm………….6-5, 230, right? Might be kind of fun to see him lay out Slot Receiver every once and a while.

Some teams play games on Sunday...ours goes to War. Go Texans!!!

by JMPeffer on Jan 7, 2009 1:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Nope.

Salary cap issues aside, he wouldn’t really have a place on the team. Despite the Rosencopter, I still feel more comfortable with Rosenfels behind center. And while Andre Davis and David Anderson don’t get many balls thrown their way, I prefer them at #3 and #4 WR. I’d probably take Jacoby in that category as well.

I suppose he could help with punt returns, but it’s not exactly something he has done in the past several years. Given his style of running, he might be just as fumble-prone as Jacoby.

by Nashmeister on Jan 7, 2009 1:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

“…I still feel more comfortable with rosenfels behind the center…”? (I am picking myself up off the floor from laughing so hard!) Vince will bounce back.

by jasonstathum on Jan 14, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Though 4th round is too high.

There’s a solid chance he could “get it” in the right system. Ours, with all the roll-outs, might be a good fit.

It took Randall Cunningham a couple of years to figure out the NFL. VY might, as well, and he still has a high ceiling. However, he’s the type of talent, and he has the track record, of somebody you sign off the scrap-heap, not trade for.

by bigfatdrunk on Jan 7, 2009 8:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

re: signing

Yep, there will probably be the same long line of teams wanting him that Cedric Benson had this year.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jan 7, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and um

Benson delivered. He can play. All the gossipy haters out there want to cast off guys like Benson as ‘thugs’ because he drank and boated and was a bad petulant teammate at age 21. Big fucking deal. Think back to when you were 21. You werent the same emotionally as you were each year you got older.

Benson is going to prove to be a great example of guys who can bounce back from some minor attitude problems to make a nice career for themselves. Vince can too but only if he gets a chance to play and continue making mistakes and learning. Cuz he’s got many more left to make before he can ever arrive as a bonafide NFL QB.

Get real though y’all. He was no worse than tons of rookie and 2nd year QBs in their early 20s. I’d contend that the Titans would probably still be in nearly the exact position with him at QB this year. Maybe 11-5, but not much worse.

by Blitzburgh on Jan 9, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cedric Benson

Is 26. His career YPC is 3.7.

Hope this helps.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 9, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

It took Randall Cunningham a couple of years to figure out the NFL

But I’m sure he had the brainpower to do it. Vince Young, not so much.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 7, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But it's not about "figuring out"

That’s not his problem. The guy wouldn’t go back in a game because he was booed…. then it came out that he tried to beg out of a game in 2007 also. It’s not about his talent or if he gets it – it’s about him being selfish, a terrible teammate, a guy who doesn’t even consort with the OC and other QBs on the sideline, and a guy who pouts on the sideline.

No, no, no and no.

www.HoustonDiehards.com

by HoustonDiehards on Jan 7, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

...and who scored a 6 on the Wonderlic

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 7, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm leaning no...

but I am going to defer to beef on this one.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 7, 2009 8:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

And I love you for it...

My first reaction is below. I’d rather eat a soggy biscuit from all you guys. That’s not even close to how much I’d dislike this move. Beyond words. Like Xtreme.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 7, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kubiak has spent three years constructing a team that doesn't quit

Why would he trade a useful draft pick for a player who does?

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 7, 2009 8:54 AM CST reply actions 6 recs

+1

by Jake on Jan 7, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

It hurt me to do it, but I had to Rec that comment.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 7, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+2

While Sage doesn’t quit, and he showed amazing ability to act like he didn’t commit the worst blunder in the NFL since dude ran the wrong way, I wonder about his attitude next year.

Every year so far he has gone into the season with the impression he’s gonna win the starting job. I don’t think he has that attitude next year.

Please draft some defensive stars for the next DC.

by texanphil on Jan 7, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

any other team but the texans

and its probably a decent move. there’s no denying VY has talent, and I refuse to believe the kid can’t make a positive impact on the NFL field. but in Houston….wow, that might be too much to handle as a fan. but, at least Rich Lord’s head would explode.

geez…Minn/Seattle would be all over that right?

GlassJoe is a lover, not a fighter. But, choose your words carefully, because he's also a fighter.

by GlassJoe on Jan 7, 2009 11:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

McDonalds around the country

Are filled with guys that had NFL-level talent. And now they want to know if you want fries with that.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 7, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Todd Marinovich

WISHES he could get a gig at McD’s right now.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 7, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You sir

are on a role today

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jan 7, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes! Do it!

We need a high-profile waterboy and “gofer”!

by Dragongem on Jan 7, 2009 2:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Can you lead a team to a National Championship? NOT!!

by jasonstathum on Jan 14, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dear God, No...

I would quit the team if this happened.
Fuck. Vince. Young.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 7, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Is this a personal thing?

by jasonstathum on Jan 14, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What about a 3-team deal??

We send a 7th round pick to Tennessee, Titans send VY to Dallas, and Dallas gives Texans fans all sorts of laughs for the next couple of seasons.

by okstarsfan on Jan 7, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions 4 recs

lol

Vince Young and Terrell Owens would be an awesome combination.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 7, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

VY blaming the media for everything... TO blaming everything for everything...

Yeah, that would be a hell of a TV show, too.

www.HoustonDiehards.com

by HoustonDiehards on Jan 7, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was going

for more of a fake-suicide-pact angle. Too soon/tactless?

Anyways, they would be great together. TO would complain that VY doesn’t throw him the ball enough, while VY would beg to get out of games. It would be a beautiful, vicious, endless cycle of douchebaggery.

As an added bonus: more Cowboys 5-11 seasons.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 8, 2009 1:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Can you walk on water?

by jasonstathum on Jan 14, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I smell a TV ratings bonanza there

NFL Network and Fox should pull out all the stops to try to pair up VY with TO. That would be the proverbial train wreck that you could not stop looking at. TMZ would assign one of their “reporters” there permanently.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 7, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs