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That Which Does Not Kill You..

Is supposed to make you stronger. And less injury-prone. And more explosive. And healthier.

Unless of course, that thing is a badly designed strength and conditioning program.

This may seem like a rant, and irrelevant now that Dan Riley is gone, but I am just slightly enraged that our Texans were apparently being told this was the best they could do.

Let's take a look at what the Texans have been doing and why it may not have been in their best interests.

Star-divide

First and foremost, I am not a certified and licensed dietician, nutritionist, trainer, coach, exercise science major, kinesiologist, or anything like that. What I am is a person who is a mildly dedicated lifter and a person who reads a lot to try and accomplish his goals. Do your own research to know whats right, legal disclaimer, legal disclaimer, blah, blah, blah.

Anyways, I was thinking about this post when, a while back, a Texans website ( I don't remember if it was here or DGDB&D) commented on the Texans' strength and conditioning program. Upon the firing of the strength and conditioning coach, I decided to look back and see what our Texans were doing and what absolutely sucked about it.

Here is the Texans' strength and conditioning players manual. I am basing my evaluations off of this document, found off the official team website.

 Here's a quick whey protein fact sheet with references.

The first point I find irritating is his hatred of protein supplementation. Protein is integral to muscle growth and muscle maintenance, and the average person's consumption is simply not adequate, especially for someone looking to bulk up (like a certain quarterback trying to protect his knee). Furthermore, the benefit of protein supplementation is mainly convenience. It is simply much easier to chug down a shake than it is to cook and prepare a full meal.

Also, protein supplements, like instantized whey protein, offer the benefit of rapid absorption. Detailed on the fact sheet above, and in many other sources, is the importance of protein intake within a certain window post-workout (generally 30-45 minutes after exertion) to greatly aid in strength and muscle growth, along with recovery. The digestion and absorption of whey protein is very rapid, making it the preferred choice of protein intake immediately after a workout. Preparing and eating something like chicken breast immediately after a workout is unreasonable (being at a training location away from home, etc.), and, depending on the digestive processes of the person in question, will put them outside the window of optimum absorption. It's simply more convenient to have easily consumable protein readily available.

Also, I hope his oft-mentioned Registered Dietitians know, but many athletes, especially those who have lots of high intensity physical exertion along with weight lifting, are calcium deprived. Supplementation with calcium is very important for high-intensity athletes, and should probably be recommended for football players as well.

Pet Peeve: On page 12, he claims there is no reliable way to measure body fat percentage. Air displacement is stupidly accurate and easy. I'm surprised the Texans don't have access to that.

On page 39, he states that plyometrics are useless because you do not perform the actions in a game; therefore, they will never transfer. That is ridiculous logic. Players never lift weights on the field, or even perform actions that resemble many weights that you recommend lifting, yet Riley continues to recommend that. Plus, that's entirely beside the point, as research shows again and again that plyometrics help with things that translate to every sport, such as explosiveness, change of direction, and speed.

On page 47, Riley makes a long series of statements that eventually boil down to, "Stretching doesn't matter, because anytime your perform a more intense activity, you'll just be sore again." That series of statements alone lead me to believe that this guy does not know what he is talking about. Flexibility is incredibly important to speed and power generation, as well as injury prevention. If you perform a new, more intense activity and you are sore, it has little to do with flexibility, and a whole lot to do with lactic acid production from using untrained muscles. Increased flexibility over the long-term helps with overall performance in athletics, along with helping prevent tendon and muscle tears. Riley then recommends you stretch every day, but gives no information to his players on how to do so.

On page 49, Riley claims there is no difference in using a barbell, dumbbells, or a machine to perform similar exercises. This is blatantly false. Going from machine, to barbell, to dumbbell opens up a new range of motion, changing the exercise you are going. Machines isolate a muscle and prevent the use of stabilizer muscles. Dumbbells, on the other end of the spectrum, force your body to not only move them up and down, but balance them from moving left and right, forward and back. This strengthens the entire muscle group, and provides more functional strength as you are training the supporting muscles along with the main muscle. Its like having an entire strong shoulder as opposed to only a strong anterior deltoid.

Finally, we move to the one thing that absolutely drove me insane about this entire PDF. On page 55, he has a list of legs workouts, with the most repeated one being leg press/squat. Not only was I upset because in no way is the leg press interchangeable with a squat, but the squat he wanted to perform was a machine squat! Nowhere in Riley's workout was there space for true barbell squats. Barbell squats are the MOST important lift for lower body strength as they train the entire posterior chain as a unit and the hips and quads heavily as well. Barbell squats are also integral to knee health.

Contrary to popular belief, correctly performed squats are good for your knees, strengthening the muscles around the knee joint and quad, allowing it to support the knee as well. When I received a large tear in my MCL in high school, Doctor DeLee of Texas Orthopedic Group in San Antonio told me very specifically that the best thing I could do to rehab my knee was deep barbell squats after the initial recovery phase. It worked great.

Barbell squats are simply the most important lift you can do, and machine leg press and machine hack squats simply wont cut it. They don't train the whole posterior chain, and they put extra stress on knees.

Another thing that bothers me about the Texans' workouts was what it didn't have--dead lift and any kind of Olympic lifting. Dead lift is a very good way to train the hamstrings and glutes to be very powerful--excellent for all athletes. Olympic lifting is a staple for explosive athletes around the world. Like plyometrics, Olympic lifts, like power cleans and snatches, train the body to move weight fast. Snatch, in particular, also helps a lot with rotator cuff strength.

 

In review, I have no questions left as to why the Texans have suffered so many injuries over the years. Their strength program was simply not preparing their bodies. Training muscles, particularly the legs, does not prepare the joints for stress. It just makes individual muscles strong. Isolated muscles also do not translate well to functional strength on the field because the neural pathways are not trained to work together. Plyometrics really are key to speed and agility increases, and to neglect them seems unwise. Neglecting barbell squats for football players was enough to get him fired, and I am truly surprised Dan Riley lasted this long.

If you made it this far, good job. If you see something I said that's stupid, let me know. I hope this didn't seem to much like a rant or being off topic, but it's meant to inspire discussion. So discuss!

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Haven't had a chance to read the PDF yet...

but this is very well done. Some of this shit is downright shocking in its stupidity.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 8, 2009 7:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dear God.

Plyometrics useless?
STRETCHING not helpful?

Ho. Ly. Shit.

Let me guess. When a player gets a headache, he recommends leaches, right? We might as well hire Theodoric, Barber of York to be strength and conditioning coach.

But I have to admit, he’s probably right about not worrying about calcium supplementation. I mean, it’s not like we’ve ever had a player break a bone in a freak, non-contact training accident, is it?

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 8, 2009 8:01 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

For the Barber of York reference.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 8, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I always wondered

about how much contact Kubiak tries to avoid in camp. For a couple of years I was doing a lot of boxing, i.e. sparring, heavy bag work, etc. There was a noticeable visual difference in my wrists as they adjusted to the amount of impact they took. I could also feel the difference in my elbows and shoulders. My body adjusted and suited itself to take and deliver the impact. Objectively, it seems reasonable to minimize injuries by decreasing amount of physical contact, but I wonder if in trying to avoid injuries by less contact if they are actually inviting them.

Nicely done, by the way, and good to see you as a contributor. You’re off to a good start.

by ~Buck on Jan 8, 2009 11:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It may not have been clear in my comment

I think the root cause of the problem would be in the weight training, dietary supplements, etc. The no-contact drill stuff is more of a “is this just the icing on the cake” question.

by ~Buck on Jan 8, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Anyone want proof that Richard Justice is a douce? It’s not everyday that you can comment on a blog posting with it’s exact polar opposite, but today is that day:

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2009/01/kubiak_fires_2.html

Enjoy. By the way, I don’t know Richard Justice’s background, but he seems to be the kind of writer that gives bloggers the mostly false reputation as know-it-all, bitter ass holes.

by Jake on Jan 8, 2009 11:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why did I do that?

I just read the comments section of that article, even though I knew it was going to make me stupider.

And you know what? It did.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 8, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate Richard Justice.

The post on the firing of the trainer and S&C coach is made to sound entirely like Kubiak is spineless and Rick Smith is a power hungry ego manic who doesn’t care a lick about his team.

Justice says, “I know what wins in the NFL.” Then never says what wins!

These are outdated strength and conditioning programs – go to a gym and ask any qualified trainer about them, and they will think you are misinformed.

Its upsetting that the professional writers for the Texans are petty and uninformed. His buddy is gone and now its time to publicly pout. Please, please, steal money or obviously plagiarize or something to get released from the Chronicle. I hate you.

by Riott on Jan 8, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thank Richard Justice

Because if it weren’t for no-talent hacks like him and Pancakes, we wouldn’t have BRB, DGDB&D or Houston Diehards. Or at least those places wouldn’t be nearly as fun.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 8, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I rec'd that

Because you don’t have a way to do that on your blog.

You had me at rhino poop.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 8, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

A big fat HAHAHAHAHAHAHA at the thought that Dickie knows the first thing about what wins in the NFL.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 8, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my secret theory is that dickie is glad when the texans lose

because they didn’t draft his mancrush vince. so now he wants us to keep our shitty training coaches so we lose more games and dickie can blog about how we would probably be 16-0 and 3 time super bowl champs if only we had taken vince over super mario

by cubic on Jan 8, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice...

Great job, Riott.
What’s amazing to me is, even though all his fellow hurricanes train solely in Miami in the offseason, Andre has been showing up for this kind of bullshit regimine year in and out, and he STILL is the best WR in the league! Imagine what the team could look like with someone worth his salt calling the shots in the workout rooms…

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 8, 2009 11:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

side note...

List of people on this board beefy won’t be picking a fight with:
1. Riott
2. Buck

This list is not exhaustive.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 8, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You may be on to something with Riott

But not me…my sparring partners were nursing home residents. Man, could they take a punch.

by ~Buck on Jan 8, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just spit soda on my computer...

picturing you punching an old woman in the stomach. There’s something not right with me.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 8, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

He didn’t really say anything about old WOMEN. Get some help, dirtbag.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 8, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He said "nursing home residents"

excuse me for not being totally sexist and assuming that old women weren’t equal to old men. Is that really the lesson you want to teach your daughter?

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 8, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Since I’m trying my ass off to raise a lesbian, yes. A big, resounding, softball playing, pussy eating, YES!

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 8, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What's wrong with being sexy?

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 8, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Seriously, that’s the most awesome reference I’ve seen all week.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jan 8, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Always ready to drop a little Spinal Tap flavor.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 9, 2009 7:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know dick about this stuff

But I just want to say – very nice, very informative article, Riott. Nice work.

www.HoustonDiehards.com

by HoustonDiehards on Jan 8, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice!

I know when I was in school our coaches stressed working out and stretching, but I never realized how important it really is, nice job!

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!

by Texanmaniac on Jan 8, 2009 2:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

OK…so I’ve been reading this blog for what seems like forever, but I’ve never bothered to post until now. I’m not certified in any of this, but I’ve been a gym rat and am a pretty dedicated triathlete and have spent a ton of time researching different ways of training. Anyway, hopefully you’re cool with healthy debate since I disagree with most of what you wrote. I really think Riley and those other guys are gone because Smith and/or Kubiak want their own guys. If Riley was grossly incompetent he would have been gone a couple years ago.

As far as the supplements go, nothing Riley says is incorrect. There are studies that go either way for whey or calcium or whatever. If I was writing the team’s training manual, I’d stay away from officially endorsing any supplements. In general, the potential that someone takes the wrong supplement exists and could end up hurting the team. Just look at Pittman.

Schaub’s injury isn’t the result of inadequate diet. It’s because his knee was forced to move in a way that it shouldn’t. There is no diet or supplement that would have prevented that injury.

Sure there are many ways to measure body fat, but the only 100% accurate way is autopsy. It seems that Riley was just suggesting keeping it simple and not worry about the number from some machine. If you look fat, you’re fat and should lose weight. His section about diets is actually really good.

Riley is referring to is the concept of specificity in that pliometrics section. Basically, if you want to run faster, you need to actually run. A one-legged drill isn’t going to make you faster. Your body adapts to the stresses you put on it. A fighter’s bone density will adapt to the stress of hits, and ligaments adapt to the stress of the moves a football player has to make….assuming that he does those moves enough. There is only so much time for training and recovery so how is spending that time on the field a bad thing?

He has a whole section on flexibiliity where he states that you should stretch to increase flexibility, not as a warm up. He’s not stating that stretching is worthless. Also, flexibility has nothing to do with speed or power production. How does being flexible contribute to making a muscle contract?

The lactic acid thing is incorrect too. A quick search found this: http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/1346.html “We used to think that next-day muscle soreness is caused by a buildup of lactic acid in muscles, but now we know that lactic acid has nothing to do it. Next-day muscle soreness is caused by damage to the muscle fibers themselves. Muscle biopsies taken on the day after hard exercise show bleeding and disruption of the z-band filaments that hold muscle fibers together as they slide over each other during a contraction.”

Now, with the actual choices of exercises, he says if you prefer barbells or whatever….do it that way. His thought is that if you’re going to do a bench press of some sort with a machine, dumbells or a barbell, do it in a way that allows you to lift the most weight, so he suggests the machine. The same went for squats vs a leg press machine. Personally, I prefer to stay away from machines, but I wouldn’t say what he wrote was wrong.

Anyway, like I said before, I think those guys are gone because Smith wants to bring in his own guys, not because they were incompetent.

by Crawl on Jan 8, 2009 3:50 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Re: Healthy Debate

Definitely appreciate the counterpoint, Crawl. Thanks for reading and contributing; hope to read more from you in the near future.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 8, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Points Taken

I think you make some fair points.

But the idea that professional football players are not doing barbell squats is appalling to me. While it may not be the reason for his firing, firing him on that basis alone is, in my eyes, entirely justifiable.

by ELH on Jan 8, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

it’s terrible for a coach to want to bring in his own people. You guys have stated the pros and cons of Riley’s system, and sports science is so subjective that you could probably find people to champion or slight almost any strength and conditioning coach, but I think we are overlooking an important factor here. Kubiak as final say because he has final accountability. Even Richard “The Douche” Justice admitted that the Texans have ad injury problems. So why wouldn’t Kubes want someone in there that he trusted? Especially if one of the Texans’ long term problems which could lead to his eventual (I hope not) downfall be injuries to key players. It’s his job/career.

by Jake on Jan 8, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree with you about supplementation

I’ve gone through fits where I’ve trained for 10-Ks and a marathon, and I’ve gone through weight-lifting fits, and they are two totally different approaches. You can’t diet for an activity like a triathlon or a marathon the same way that you diet for muscle-building and muscle-retention.

If you aren’t supplementing with protein (preferably whey, which is the most complete protein as far as amino acids go) in something like football that has large muscle-mass as a pre-requisite, you’re in EPIC FAIL territory.

I can’t disagree with you about endorsing specific supplements, but there’s absolutely no reason why a trainer should shy away from enthusiastically encouraging his players to supplement with whey or casein protein, as long as he doesn’t mention a specific brand. It’s a broadly-accepted fact that he would have no problem defending in a legal venue if he was forced to do so.

I don’t believe I’ve ever seen anyone suggest that someone looking to build or retain muscle shouldn’t supplement with protein. As Riott mentioned, it’s important to get some quickly-absorbing protein into your system after intensive lifting in order to facilitate optimal recovery. Some people might differ on HOW MUCH protein, or exactly how wide that post-workout window is, but protein supplementation is pretty universally accepted. Yea, you can get by with eating chicken and steak and tuna, but you’re far better off getting a 30 gram shake in you after you get out of the locker room.

You make good points otherwise.

by socctty on Jan 8, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for posting, Crawl

I enjoy intelligent debate.

I might have been a little vindictive in his condemnation of supplements, and you are correct that there is no diet or supplement that would have prevented that injury, but correct diet and lifting can help in the prevention. Protein supplementation is basically accepted across the board, and not encouraging it, and in turn condemning it, is doing a disservice to your players.

Specificity in training does not need to be exact. Training needs to “be similar enough physiologically to the desired aspects of physical performance in order to make any improvements in performance.” Furthermore, “While every possible type of sport movement cannot be simulated in the weight room, some general basic movements that are central to sport and to many lifting exercise can be trained, which will induce the neural and muscular changes that do not disappear when one steps onto the playing field or court.”

This found in the National Strength and Conditioning Association PDF on Specificity of Sport.
http://www.nsca-lift.org/HotTopic/download/specificity20for20sport.pdf

Flexibility, in terms of static range of motion, have no translation to speed. However, dynamic ROM, achieved in dynamic stretches, does translate to high impact movements, such as sprinting and football movements.
http://www.brianmac.co.uk/articles/scni8a1.htm

The lactic acid thing – I guess it was just “common knowledge” so long, I never bothered to fact check again. Thanks.

Being a gym rat, you know that the actual choice of exercises matters. The machine allows you to always lift the most weight, because it limits the range of motion you have to focus on. Just because you are “moving the most weight” does not make a machine superior, or even equal to, a comparable barbell or dumbbell lift. You aren’t using the same muscles with dumbbells as you are with a machine.

Smith probably does want his own guys, and that’s perfectly O.K. When you run an organization, you can do that kind of thing. I just don’t think that Dan Riley was doing the best for the health and strength of the team, and that his firing was more than just a petty political move by Rick Smith.

by Riott on Jan 8, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn't fired

they just didn’t renew his contract. I guess my main disagreement is that I don’t think the guy was incompetent. There are numerous studies that back up everything they have written in that manual. Of course, there are studies that refute quite a bit of it too.

Personally, I’m all for protein, vitamins and a few other supplements. If nothing else, it’s easier than cooking for every meal. However, as far as nutritional needs go, if someone really wants to put the effort into it, they can get what they need from regular food. Well, most people anyway. I do have trouble saying the linemen couldn’t be helped by it. Here’s an interesting article on the subject: http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Much-Protein-Can-You-Absorb-At-One-Time?&id=721734

Of course an athlete has to have adequate ROM to, well, be an athlete, but his flexibility does not translate to strength or quickness. Stretching helps mostly with recovery and injury prevention. There are actually studies that show stretching prior to a workout, when you’re “cold” can contribute to injury. On a side note, can you imagine the entire team going through a warm up like what was suggested at that brianmac site? “To warm up the lower leg before any kind of running activity, I would first walk 20 yards on the toes with straight legs to warm up the calves, then walk on the heels 20 yards to warm up the dorsi flexors. I would then do 20 ankle flexion exercises with each leg.”

I agree with you that the choice of exercise matters. In the case of a well trained athlete I, personally, think machines are best left for those rehabbing an injury. I’m just guessing here, but maybe it was a calculated risk….injury in the weight room vs injury during a game. With the amount of weight some of those guys can move, the risk of injury can be pretty high. Using the machines could significantly reduce that risk.

Just out of curiousity, has anyone found statistics on the Texans’ injury rates vs other teams?

by Crawl on Jan 8, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I could only find 2006 and 2008

In 2006, according to Stephanie Stradley, the Texans led the NFL with 16 players on the IR.
http://www.fanhouse.com/2007/12/06/texans-lead-the-league-in-players-on-ir-whos-playing-quarte/

In 2008, the Texans are tied with the Rams for 9th place with 12 players on the IR. Teams with more: Ravens (18), Saints (18), Bengals (17), Lions (15), Patriots (15), Broncos (14), Jaguars (13), and Raiders (13).

Found from WalterFootball.com – http://www.walterfootball.com/injuryreportnfl.php

I’ll keep looking, though. There doesn’t seem to be any news source that keeps track of injury history. It’s irritating.

by Riott on Jan 8, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't find any place that kept track of it either

According to the mother ship ( http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?STORY_ID=4346 ) we led the league in injuries in 2007 with 17 players on IR at one time or another.

So that would make two consecutive years leading the league in injuries, followed by a year in which we were better than average.

by Tailgate Andy on Jan 8, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I ran into the same thing

I tried looking for that information a while back without much luck. The problem is, at best, we can just look at season-ending injuries. Many of those are just bad luck and not really preventable through training. It would be interesting to see statistics on the injuries that the players play through but have an effect on practice and games. It’s too bad the injury reports aren’t completely reliable.

by Crawl on Jan 9, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Injury rates

There’s a great article in the back of the latest Pro Football Prospectus. Of course, that doesn’t include data from this year. The top five medical staffs (which includes more than just trainers of course) were listed as: Dallas, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Houston, and Atlanta. It said:

Trend: Negative. Very healthy in 2005, healthiest in football in 2006, pretty bad in 2007. Their secondary was extremely healthy in 2005 and 2006 but fell apart last year. If the defensive line continues to improve, the Texans will be able to better deal with having replacement-level guys back there.

Well, the defensive line probably didn’t improve, and the secondary showed their true colors. This of course conflicts with what Stephanie’s article on the 2006 IR list says, but the authors measured it by a metric they created called “Adjusted Games Lost”. There’s a whole essay dedicated to how they came by that metric, but it basically weighs injuries of starters higher than injuries to your backup long-snapper. However, since it picks and chooses which players are more important than the others, I suspect that it may not be the best way of evaluating how good a staff is. (Would it be fair to say a staff is good if they were to take care of their stars and neglect their backups? I don’t think so.)

by socctty on Jan 9, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Think of it this way

The backups have less risk of injury since they are playing less. The starters, with more playing time, also take on more risk. If their metric is based on actual playing time, it’s probably quite good.

by Crawl on Jan 10, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Saw this link on PFT

It lists number of games missed by starters, the numbers of starters that actually started every game as well as a couple other things. Houston was in the middle as far as games missed by starters but one of the best with 12 starters that started every game.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/010709dnspogosselin.34d3911.html

by Crawl on Jan 10, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

The only thing I really disagree with (as presented here) is the idea that these athletes can’t gain a significant edge from pliometric training. Specificity is the most important part, but if pliometrics can help, for example, our CB’s burst to make ground up on a receiver or our DE’s explode off the ball – all things that I think pliometrics can help with – then I think there is plenty of value in that.

I’ve done pliometric training for a sport before and it helped (until I overdid it and blew out a tendon, lol).

Beyond that, my major beef with the article is Dickie Justice’s infantile assumptions and rumor-mongering about Rick Smith. He paints Smith as some kind of insecure macho-man based on what some people have told him. Everything I’ve ever seen or heard about the guy indicates the opposite, and Dickie Justice has zero credibility with me on pretty much anything to do with the Texans right now. Until someone more respectable comes out and says something (and that eliminates Pancakes right off the bat) I will continue to give Smith the benefit of the doubt. He has every right to fire and hire who he wants.

And the fact that, judging by the comments, Dickie has found the few remaining people stupid enough to agree with him (well, and smart enough to type) puts me on tilt.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 9, 2009 8:06 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Justice article

I have a problem with Justice. I don’t like how he writes things just to stir the pot with no regard for facts at all. I wasn’t referring to anything is his article. Actually, please don’t think I agree with that guy. I just didn’t think Riley was incompetent and wanted to present the other side. He is old school, but there is just as much evidence saying his way is “right” as just about any other.

by Crawl on Jan 9, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But see...

You actually presented another side. Thus, you are incapable of liking or being like Dickie J.

Kudos!

by DisplacedTexan on Jan 9, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure there are many ways to measure body fat, but the only 100% accurate way is autopsy.

I nominate Travis Johnson.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 9, 2009 8:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we borrow

Jared Allen for this?

by Crawl on Jan 10, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Seconded

And then we could donate his body to science (again), just to be safe.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 11, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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by socctty on Jan 8, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good Blog: First Post Here

I just wanted to thank Riott and Crawl for their well researched and insightful debate. This is my first post on this blog and I just wanted to let you both know after reading the blogs of Dicky Justice and John ‘I don’t care what movie you like’ McClain this content is far superior to anything I have seen from them in their blogs.

Personally I have no problem with the Texans letting Dan Riley go. Was he doing a great job, no. Was he doing a horrible job, no. But I think after they did their assessments they saw no reason to continue the relationship. Justice’s claims of pettiness and ego I think are pretty unfounded since he has no real evidence to back it up. I don’t get that impression that Kubiak and Smith are that petty and egotistical.

I hope they bring in someone who can work with the players and get them on the right track for their S&C needs for their positions.

Bottom Line: this is a real need but unless we get a real DC and D-Line coach 8-8 is the best the Texans will do. We had a good to great offense this year but our D sucked. Until we get some pressure (and sacks are a part of it but not all of it). I mean real pressure our secondary will always get burned no matter who we get in FA or in the draft. (Look what happened in the Titans game. Collins was under pressure and he missed throws he should have made.)

I hope the Texans impressed Marinelli enough to take the D-Line gig. He will do something that I think has been lacking. Make them disciplined and MEAN. I have yet to see it. As great as Mario is I don’t think OCs around league really spent any sleepless nights worried on how to contain the Texans D-Line. I want these guys to be feared and they were far from it this year.

Put that together with a DC who actually knows how to put defensive schemes together for different offensive looks and situations, equals Texans in the post season.

Keep up the good work!!! I’ll definitely be back.

by Papa Bear on Jan 9, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Some additional comments....

I’ve sat in a seminar that Riley and the nutritionist gave to high school coaches. Some thoughts:

1. The Texans official policy on supplementation is that real food is best but if you are to supplement, you should use medical grade whey protein. You don’t run the risk of contamination that might cause some drug test failure.

2. Riley is not a fan of exercises that compress the spine. He believes that players already have enough stress on their spinal structure without risky further injury. His two main goals is to make players stronger and do nothing that can injure them in the weight room.

3. He wants players to do machine weight lifting year round with no periodization. (hmmm). In addition, he wants them to mimic their actions on the field. So a wide receiver gets quicker not through plyometrics but by practicing route running. (I agree with football actions being best, but I think well made drills can help reinforce football skills).

4. Interesting stuff on the flexibility. Riley changed the warmup portion of the training camp between 2007 and 2008. It involved this dancing around thing to warm up. Alan Burge talks about it some over at his Examiner site.

My question about the program is that if you get your strength training through controlled pushing of machine weights, how do you develop explosive, balanced power, and be able to engage that power during cardiovascular activity? I can lift weights all day, but a kettlebell workout will kick my ass. Recently, the Titans attribute their kettlebell workouts as something that has helped the strength on their team. That it raises your heart rate up while making you move, so that in some ways playing a game feels easy in comparison.

Riley makes fun of offensive linemen pushing cars to get strong saying that all that does is help you push a car. But what mimics football activity better? Working individual muscle groups or having the opportunity to work them together with balance.

Great post.
-Steph

by StephS on Jan 9, 2009 11:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That dance think

is probably non-static stretching. Which has been shown through repeated studies to be FAR more affective than static stretching. Static stretching has actually been shown to weaken muscles (20% or so in some instances). Here’s a NYT article on stretching, but not the original (which looked to require registration now). http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sports/playmagazine/112pewarm.html?em

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by ihavethemelody on Jan 10, 2009 3:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know if it was clear

but my biggest gripe with Riley was his working of individual muscles, and not muscle groups.

I’ve read a few times (but can’t find the sources – so take it as an anecdote) that to train a movement, such as pushing, pulling, punching, throwing, etc, you can not just train the individual muscles involved in the movement, but the whole group in unison. Not only does it allow the body to learn to cope under that kind of strain, but allows neural pathways to be developed along with the strength, to allow the muscles to “learn” to work in unison with power.

Also, kettlebells are bad ass. Pavel Tsatsouline has a few great book on kettlebells – if you can get past his crazy Russian overtures, they’re very informative.

by Riott on Jan 10, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Injuries

It seems that a lot of Riley’s plan was to not take chances with injury in training. After reading it again, it sounded like he even saw advantages to using methods like pliometrics, but that the effort to do it right wasn’t worth the risks and time. I like how he spends a couple pages on recovery which is often neglected since, as an athlete, you feel like you’re being lazy by just resting.

If you can lift weights all day, you’re doing it wrong. The goal with that activity is to increase strength and, maybe, muscle mass. Practicing fast starts, cuts, etc really will develop those skills. A kettlebell workout will kick your butt, but there’s also a risk of injury and one of the constants with Riley’s plan is to minimize those risks.

The main problem I have with Riley’s manual is that he doesn’t spend any time on core specific work. You can have the stongest legs and arms but with a weak middle it doesn’t mean much. If he tells his athletes to focus on their neck, he should have, at least, mentioned core work.

by Crawl on Jan 10, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

3. …So a wide receiver gets quicker not through plyometrics but by practicing route running.
Riley makes fun of offensive linemen pushing cars to get strong saying that all that does is help you push a car.

I’m no expert, but I disagree with these two lines.

If I wanted to win a bench press contest, is there any benefit in doing ANY exercise OTHER than bench press? I would say yes.

Just taking the quote from #3 above, are we assuming that this practice/weight room time is a zero sum game? If more time on the field will make the players better, great, does that mean there’s less time available for the weight room? I would think Kubes keeps his guys out there long enough to make them better, the weight room time will be scheduled outside of practice time. So that idea has no bearing on the S&C coach. He is alloted time for workouts OUTSIDE of the practice field, so he should look for effective ways to spend his time IN THE WEIGHT ROOM. If you take that sentence literally, then he has reduced his job to injury prevention/recovery.

As for the “pushing the car” line, then your fullback doing leg presses only makes him better at doing leg presses, and will not make him a better football player? I may be too literally reading these statements, but I do see a correlation to these statements, and our physical toughness on the field.

Please draft some defensive stars for the next DC.

by texanphil on Jan 11, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My biggest beef with this

Is the idea that plyometrics is not beneficial in comparison to sport-specific exercises. In my understanding, it’s been pretty well proven that plyometrics can do things like give d-lineman a better burst to the ball, or running backs a better burst to the hole. Anything that requires explosiveness can be improved by plyometrics. And there are all kinds of football skills that require explosiveness.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 11, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have nothing technical to add, but am thankful for this debate

which was started by the firing of Riley and Bastin.

The science of strength and conditioning is continually evolving and I admit that I was stuck in the past thinking that static stretches before and after exercise were the best way to go. I had no knowledge whatsoever of dynamic strectches, pliometrics, etc. I would like to sincerely thank Riott, Crawl, socctty, StephS & ihavethemelody for providing a wealth of good information on training and nutrition.

There does not appear to be a clear consensus on if getting rid of Riley/Bastin is a good move, and it may take several years to find out. But, it was definitely a good move for Riott and Crawl to present their well crafted positions. Thanks for all of your time and effort.

by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 11, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hello

If you’d be interested in muscle injury and recovery I did a small piece on it. Find it here:

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/1/21/729963/broncos-injuries-and-recov#comments

I have a doctorate in medicine – Oriental Medicine, to be specific – and 15 years of clinical experience, in a addition to being a semi-pro athlete for 15 years. I try not to get outside my own field, but ran a three year school in acupuncture for western docs of all types – the discussions in between classes were grand. My students had one of the highest rates of success of the grads of any school in the nation on the National Boards, so we were doing something right. When I don’t have the info myself, I contact one of the appropriate grads who are experts. Yes, even they argue at times, so don’t expect a one-sided presentation.

This seems to be an excellent blog, and I have greatly enjoyed your discussions – thanks, and best of luck next year.

Dr. Emmett Smith, OMD,
broncobear

In Goodman We Trust

by Emmett Smith on Jan 22, 2009 6:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Dr. Smith

That’s good stuff. Best of luck to the Broncos in the first year post-Shan as well.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 23, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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