The Definition of Insanity
2009 was supposed to be the Houston Texans' season. The team showed all indications that it was a group ready to break through mediocrity into postseason glory. Last year may have been that year if it wasn't for the terrible defense and the tragedy of Hurricane Ike. So hiring a new defensive coordinator and praying for no more natural disasters seemed like the best recipe for success in 2009. All is not as it should be though. The Texans are now 2-3 after five weeks of the young season. Houston still has yet to garner a winning or losing streak this year, which is fairly indicative of another five hundred-esque season.
That pace is leading to more and more speculation that Gary Kubiak should not be head coach of the Texans starting next season. Jerome Solomon is the latest critic of the native Houstonian coach. Solomon points out that the team is 21-21 since December of 2006 and claims that Kubiak is destroying any chances of preserving his job by losing two games on goal line plays.
Just two plays to condemn a coach seems drastic, right? After all, if those plays would have worked out, the Texans might be 4-1. On first glance, the defense shows more promise but is still underperforming and the offense is as good or better than it has ever been. At the very least, the level of play seems better than that shown in the beginning of last year when the team was reeling from a brutal hurricane and its after-effects. Or is it?
After five games last year the team was 1-4. The offense averaged 22.4 points per game and the defense allowed 31.6 points per game. After that start, the Texans amazingly won 7 of their final 11 games. Gary Kubiak had an entire off season to let new defensive coordinator Frank Bush install his attacking defense and to help Kyle Shanahan fix the offensive problems.
The result--more of the same. The offense has averaged 23 points per game. Sound familiar? Not only has scoring remained the same, but the rushing attack, which was good for 115 yards per game last year, is now down to 75. At least the 7 turnovers lost is better than the 13 through five games in 2008.
Texans fans would probably assume that the defense has been just as bad under Bush than the first five games of last season, but surprisingly they're wrong. Average points per game allowed is down to 24 over the first five games, although to be fair that includes the Raiders. They have forced 8 turnovers, markedly better than the 5 through five games last year. Despite the statistical improvement though, no one would say that the defense is great or even good.
The problem for Kubiak is the complete lack of progress. The slow start last year was commonly blamed on the hurricane, but the 22.4 points per game in the five games in question is extremely close to the 22.9 point average for the 2008 season and the 23 point average this season. The defense is pretty close to last year as well with 24 points allowed, as compared to 24.6 for the 2008 season. Any time your defense is averaging around the same amount of points as the offense is scoring, you're going to have close, roller coaster games, just like the ones we've been seeing this year. So to lose on those two plays is bad, but the fact that the game came down to those plays shouldn't surprise you.
I've always been a Kubiak guy but time is running out for him. Solomon makes a good point that the only two coaches with a longer tenure in the NFL that have not won a Super Bowl are Jack Del Rio and Marvin Lewis. Kubiak and Rick Smith have continually been lauded for their drafts, so theoritically the talent gets better every year. Why is progress stagnant then? Eventually you have to look to the coaching staff.
I don't think we should fire Kubiak, but if the statistical averages and the winning percentage finish as close to last season's mark as they are now, it will be hard to make a case for him to stay. It's not that he's losing; it's that he's losing the exact same way. If 2008 and 2009 end being statistically equal, why would anyone believe that 2010 would be different?
I just hope that this whole article was a waste of my time writing and a waste of your time reading because Kubiak turns the team in a new direction. It will be hard though because they've been remarkably consistent since 2007. Just not in a good way.
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Helluva write up!
I’m not sure there is anything else left to say.
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by Bobobigbro on Oct 16, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's like Groundhog Day
And we keep finding new and exciting ways to kill ourselves.
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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 16, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
half the time
which is the most frustrating part. We show signs of quality… half the time.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Oct 16, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
All the Texans blogs have now referred to the definition of insanity in the last week.
We can all see it… why can’t the Texans?
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by HoustonDiehards on Oct 16, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
damn jake....
way to poop in my cheerios….
on payday.
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by chrisd21 on Oct 16, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just like the bootleg of 2008
if I see Chris Brown run the ball on 4th and Goal at the 1 to tie the game again, I think my tv will suffer a beat down.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Oct 16, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if I see Chris Brown on the field again... at any point...
my head will spontaneously implode.
by grungedave on Oct 16, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Brown.....
Not a good year for people with that name….
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by TexansForever on Oct 16, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some guy on si for their fantasy stat projections made some comment about Kris brown not having a booming leg. REALLY? The guy doesn’t hit like a million 50+ yard fgs every year?
by nolander on Oct 16, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently Sports Guy thought his name was "Chris Jones"
by grungedave on Oct 16, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave,
I thought you were devising a plot to kill the sportsguy? what happened to that?
by Jordann on Oct 16, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kill him?
Nah, I like Simmons…
he just talks out of his ass at the most inopportune times and I have to call him on it…
by grungedave on Oct 16, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lady luck definitely hasnt been on our side, but I personally put more of the blame on the players. Yes Kubiak and company make mistakes, but repeatedly they have put the team in a position to win, and the players failed to execute. Frank Bush didnt tell Barber and Busing to over pursue and give up a big run. Kubiak didnt tell Matt to overthrow a wide open Dressen. The players need to develop a killer instinct. Dont get me wrong, I didnt agree with that 4th down play call, but good calls were made before that if the players did their jobs, would have make that 4th down call a moot point. Alot of this has to do with experience. This is the youngest team in the NFL, full of players who have never been on a winning professional team. Eventually some of these 3 and 4 year veterans and going to have to stand up and say, “Im sick of this shit, get behind me and lets go win this game.” All the play calling and practice time in the world isnt going to matter if the veterans dont step up and be leaders.
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by DaGoaT on Oct 16, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
the coaching staff has called horrible games since game 1.
1st game – totally unprepared and no excuses. It was like we had no clue they would come out in a 3-4 defense. Terrible play calling and lack of getting the team ready.
2nd game – Lack of preperation. Lucky to come back and win and that win goes to the players not the coaches. We won in spite of ourselves.
3rd game – again, terrible play calling. and yes Brown failed to gain a yard and fumbled when he did (this will be brought up again).
4th game – Great first half by both players and coaches. 2nd half sucked as far as play calling and trying to put the game away. Defense played great (players and coaching).
5th game – First half play calling sucked. The coaching staff put us in a position not to score with their play calls. Second half play calling was better and the players put us in a position to win and (now we get back to looking at week 3) the play calling and on field personnel was from the coaching staff and it was terrible. We sucked again.
So I disagree on the talent part and put it more on the coaches and play calling but in the end it really doesn’t matter b/c either way you look at it we aren’t winning. I’m still a fan and I still have hope for this season but the problem is Kubiaks consistancy of staying inconsistant.
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by Bobobigbro on Oct 16, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
let me get this straight. If we are playing poorly, the coaches are all dumb and horrible at playcalling. If we win, its either because of luck, or the players overcame the coaches horrible playcalling, yet the players some how have no responsibility for poor execution when we lose. the fuck? If your standard for ‘good playcalling’ is zero mistakes, then there arent any good coaches in the entire league. All coaches make some bad calls. If they make adjustments and put the team in a position to win the game, its on the players to execute.
Blaming the coaches for everything is usually because fans are too lazy to analysis where mistakes were made and just put the blame on the guy highest on the totem pole. Kubiak is by no means flawless, but many times he did his job and the players flat out failed to deliver. These are grown men, not puppets, they play a role in the outcome.
The only bad game in my opinion was the Jets game. Every other game, some mistakes were made, but at the end of the game they were in a position to win. The fault doesnt fall on just one part of the team.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Oct 16, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
GoaT - you don't have it straight.
I just don’t agree with you and just so you know i have been watching the same fucking team that you have the last 7-8 seasons so i do know a lot about this team and i have been watching the same boneheaded decisions game after game. I don’t miss a game and i love this team no matter what the hell happens. I live and die every sunday like the rest of us. I analyze the games just like most of us here do. i never said the players were not to fault but i believe the talent on this team is good enough to win and have a winning season at that which we have not had. Do you really think that i don’t beleive there are good coaches out there – I do and i was hoping we had one here but it is not looking that way. He’s ok and our ecord relects that. You think if we get another top 15 draft pick we will be better next year? You think we make a trade for a big DT everything will change and we will stop being 7-9, 8-8, and 8-8 – I don’t. Oh, and the last game yes the fault falls on the coaches AND the o-line. So who picks the personnel. Who picks light weight o-line men and then wants to be a power running team? Just saying…
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by Bobobigbro on Oct 16, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes not trying to be a power running team. Does that even make sense? What he is trying to do is be effective running the ball so our play action passing, which our entire passing attack depends on, can be effective and the defense doesnt just sell out on the pass all the time. Its easy to sit back and say oh he made bad play calls and thats why we lost, while ignoring all the good plays that continuously get Matt 300+ yards passing and multiple TDs. Yes he makes some bad calls. So do the other coaches we play against. But when its all said and done at the end of the game, they made some good calls that would have won the game if the players executed. Everyone wants to grab pitchforks over that 4th down play, yet ignore how brilliant that 3rd down play was.
The bottomline is yes they make some poor calls, but they make enough good ones to put the team in a position to win. What the team is lacking is not better plays, or more talent, its player desire and leadership. The team is young and doesnt have a bunch of veterans with winning experience. Some of these guys are going to have to step up and deliver and LEAD their team. The coaches can only call the game, the players have to go out there and want it more than the guy standing in front of them. So no I dont think we need any more top 15 draft picks or more talent, we need our guys to step up and say Im sick of losing, Im going to win right now.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Oct 16, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's be honest...
More talent certainly wouldn’t hurt.
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by beefy on Oct 16, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more talent wouldnt hurt any team, but Im just saying we have enough to be a winning team.
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by DaGoaT on Oct 16, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i said the same fucking thing – that we have the talent to win so what would you draw the conclusion to be goat, the play calling and the coaching sucks.
And i thank God every night for not letting me think like beefy.
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by Bobobigbro on Oct 16, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you read what I wrote? I explained what I thought the problem is.
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by DaGoaT on Oct 16, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd for accuracy.
Completely agree with you, Goat.
I wasn’t aware bobo was one of those guys, but I guess he is. I won’t blame him for his flawed thinking. It’s obviously God’s fault for not making him think like me.
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by beefy on Oct 16, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on another note, Im under the opinion that even if they have a losing season, I dont think McNair will pull the trigger. Im not saying he shouldnt, but I think the situation in the AFC South is about to develop in such a way that he wont want to risk a rebuild with a new coaching staff. The Titans are about to go into full rebuild mode if they lose another game. The Jags are pretty much first on the list of teams that LA will ask to move. That transition can really throw a team in a whir. I think the Colts will be the only good team in the division for the next couple of years, this might be Bob’s best chance to make a move in the AFC South, so he might not want to break up the Kubiak project if he thinks the potential is still there.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Oct 16, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you nailed it
While Smithiak has had good to excellent drafts over the last 4 years…
the on-field use of this increased available talent suggests that there are deficiencies in the coaching aspects. Kubiak is the coach. This is what needs to be fixed. This is the proverbial “weak link” in the chain. Bye bye, Kubes.
signed,
a person who was 100% in support of Kubiak until last Sunday.
by grungedave on Oct 16, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the drafts look better
because we were used to god awful drafts. The Okoye draft class isn’t too impressive.
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by CFHTim on Oct 16, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you want to replace him...
someone within the Texans Org?
by mattarne on Oct 16, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way
They should hire me. I’m intelligent and I need a job. ;-)
by grungedave on Oct 16, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'ed
The twice weekly Vegas trips would help morale, too.
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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 17, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other news.....
Kyle Vanden Bosch was fined for an illegal hit on a quarterback??!!? Who saw that coming!? That guys a saint!
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by TexansForever on Oct 16, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just like F Jared Allen.
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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 16, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree-but
With the basic idea. Kubiak has problems with play calling and game management, these have been apparent his entire tenure. In addition, he’s shown poor judgment in terms of hiring assistants- especially on Defense.
But if Kubiak goes, who replaces him? Realistically? Dallas will want a new coach, other teams will be in the market. Houston isn’t exactly a top destination, especially given our history. Also, a new coach means we’re probably going to take a few steps backwards, especially on offense. So I’m fine with getting rid of him, I’m just not sure it will fix anything.
by JimboTexan on Oct 16, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think it'll fix anything either.
I dont want to start over again. We’re on the right track, it’s just taking a while. Unless Mike Shanahan takes over as the head coach and demoting Kubes down to an offensive coordinator with Baby Shan as the QB coack again. I would be down for that.
by Jordann on Oct 16, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually really like that idea – I’m down too. I agree with you that anything less than that scenario you described would be starting over and we would regress.
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by Bobobigbro on Oct 16, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
How can we be on the right track if precisely nothing has changed since last year?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 16, 2009 12:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't using last year as comparison.
Im using the whole Kubiak era. Im not sure if I got this right but when Kubes took over we were a 2-14. His first year 6-10, second and third are 8-8. Im not sure about his first year being 6-10 but its pretty close to it. (yes im too lazy to google it)
From what I remember, the most wins we got out of Capers was 7. And that wasn’t consistent. We’re getting consistency from Kubiak (the only stat that im considering in my argument are wins). It’s not like our back to back 8-8 was a fluke.
If you dont see it as being on the right track, I would understand. But it’s a better track than what capers was able to take us.
by Jordann on Oct 16, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bleh we went from like 3 wins to 5 wins to 7 wins to 2 wins under capers. Talk about feeling like your team is making progress and then having it ripped out from under you.
by nolander on Oct 16, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, let's come back from Fantasy Land, shall we?
No head coach is EVER going to be fired as the head guy, only to come right back to the same team to be a coordinator. You guys aren’t serious, right?
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by beefy on Oct 16, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's friday
And im all loaded up on redbull and coffee, with no work to do.
Im allowed to live in my fantasy land thank you very much.
I never said it was logical. I just think it would be awesome.
by Jordann on Oct 16, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you're gonna be a bear, be a Grizzly!
While we’re wishing for things that would be awesome, how about we just shrink Shanahan small enough to fit inside Kube’s headset, or sit on his shoulder. It’s obvious that Kubes has a good football mind, but the little things are becoming big hurdles. Let Mike groom Kubes from his tiny apartment in Kubes’ headphones, and then everybody wins!!
Hooray Beer!!
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by beefy on Oct 16, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good, but not as awesome as
Having face surgery like that movie face-off. Switch Kube’s face to shanahan’s body and Shanahan’s face to Kube’s body. Ignore the fact that they have very different body types and that Shanahan is older than Kubiak. We have to stick to how they did it in the movie and just hope that nobody notices. So it would look like Kubiak is calling the plays and running the team, but in reality it’s really Big Shan!
by Jordann on Oct 16, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be
Awesome. If unlikely. But why stop with Shanahan? Why not have Cowher and Dungy sign on too?
by JimboTexan on Oct 16, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Capers would be our
D coordinator still. I wish you could demote Koobs to O coodinator if we bring in a new head coach, but it won’t happen.
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by CFHTim on Oct 16, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not immediately, like is being suggested.
If memory serves, of course.
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by beefy on Oct 16, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were
To hire a new HC, they would need to be a defensive specialist because I think our talent is more able to carry us without guidance on the offensive side of the ball than the defensive side. I don’t know of anyone available I’d want to hire.
by JimboTexan on Oct 16, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Facts to back up the emotion
Thanks for putting the hard numbers to the season so far. I think we all wanted this team to do great things that we missed the fact that it is better than last year. A young team that hasn’t learned how to win will be involved in a lot of close games that they lose until they learn how to win. It comes down to the coachs AND the player that need to get their NASTY on for situations that where the game is on the line. At that point it becomes the ability to force your will on the situation.
This team has a soft schedule and should be in position to make a run to the playoffs this year, BUT it has to WANT IT like nothing else. What I don’t see is someone that can take the lead on making this team believe it can.
Successful teams have a history of stability. Indy and Pittsburg come to mind a teams that stay the coarse and reap the rewards with competitive teams year in and year out.
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by Trukker on Oct 16, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
soft schedule? I think alot of teams that were thought to be bad in the preseason are showing to be anything but. I dont think the schedule is soft by any means. Jets, Bengals, 49ers are much better than it was thought they would be. The second half of the schedule is no dusy either.
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by DaGoaT on Oct 16, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let m e
When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.
by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 16, 2009 12:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
So let m
When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.
by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 16, 2009 12:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
So let m e
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 16, 2009 12:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I fail.
Blackberries lol.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 16, 2009 12:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
One more time, with feeling
So let me get this straight. Jake, you spend most of this post pointing out (with something approaching a factual basis) that the team is not improving under Kubes. You offer no reason as to why this should change. Yet you state that you don’t think Kubes should be fired. This sounds like cognitive dissonance to me. Do you have any other ideas about how this team is to improve if the coaching seems stuck in a rut (as you went to some length to point out)?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 16, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he doesnt!
he just felt like messin up my friday with his negative nancy comments! lmfao!
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by chrisd21 on Oct 16, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget...
FRESH cinnamon rolls this week Chris. I can’t handle any more losses.
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by CFHTim on Oct 16, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really the only answer
would be to continue upgrading our talent and depth. I remember when we were starting out as a franchise, had talent on Defense. None on offense, and no depth at any position, at least we have improved personel over the years.
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by CFHTim on Oct 16, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya
I know the post was a little light, I wanted to get it published this morning because I knew I’d be busy all day.
I don’t think we should fire Kubiak for a few reasons. One of them being that we still don’t know what’s going to happen this season. I know I spoke a lot of doom and gloom but there is a chance that they can rally and go on a couple of winning streaks like we did last year, I was just pointing out the numbers that suggest we aren’t headed that way.
Hopefully this is a moot point, but if we do end up with a similar record/statistics as last year, I still don’t think we should fire him. I can’t really think of anyone I would want over Kubiak right now, even with all of the high profile former head coaches out there, to include Shanahan. I know that most people don’t agree with that, but I don’t really want to trade one good offensive minded head coach who hasn’t put a good defense together for another one. Not only that, but Shanahan will want personnel control like he had in Denver, which was his undoing.
I actually think there is not only potential for improvement, but there are signs of promise as well. Yes the defense is still porous, but twice now they’ve stepped up and completely shut teams down for whole quarters and even halfs (Titans, Cardinals). If Bush can get them to play like that for 3-4 quarters every game, this team could beat anyone. I just didn’t include that last belief in the article because that’s a lot of if’s and could’s.
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by Jake on Oct 16, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, fair enough, devil dog
Truth be told, McNair won’t make a move until the season is over anyway. I’m not quite on the fire Kubiak bandwagon yet, but I’m inching up to it and checking to see if there’s any hot chicks inside.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 17, 2009 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you met the 4th Manning brother?
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by CFHTim on Oct 16, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Philosophical approach
Following Kube’s public statements over his tenure as Texans’ HC suggests that his approach is to fit players to a system and execute the system.
An (the?) opposing approach is, week in, week out, analyze the opponent, determine their weaknesses, and implement a plan for that specific opponent.
I’d go further, but I’m in serious sleep deprivation mode right now, and, if anyone was at all inclined, that seems a decent point to invite conjecture.
by knave64 on Oct 16, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I might be the only one, but...
I take exception to the “2009 was supposed to be the Houston Texans’ season.” part of your argument…based on the slow but steady growth approach they have assumed since they took over, I have been under the impression that 2010-2014 will be this team’s sweetspot for serious contention…I think we’ll have our first winning season this year (barring injury to Schuab) and have been hoping for 10-6, but never really thought we had the depth of a deep playoff team.
I was impressed with this past draft in that the versatillity of their class added considerably more depth than I expected in one year, but I (like many) counted at least 7 immediate starter spots last offseason (where our current starters should become backups)…I figured it would take through the 2010 draft (at earliest) to fill all those spots with 1-3 round talent, following the “build through the draft” /“supplement with value-based FAs” growth model. We are better talent-wise than last year, but still a solid draft and two legit FA’s away from being a complete team..
Now keep in mind, I think virtually everyone overlooks the fact that Smithiak’s record just might not be the only (or possibly even the best) measure of growth for the franchise under their tenure. From my understanding, as of this year, b/c of their discipline, our Houston Texans will officially be out of CAP HELL for the first time since the franchise came into existence. If that’s true, then Smithiak’s ability to develop a competitive team while improving the talent level & depth, seasoning a HC & GM, as well as two rookie coordinators, a QB, LT & RB all while cleaning out the books… might buy a bit more patience from fans.
God knows, they have avoided the temptation to grow too fast (through big name FAs or drafting 1st round RB’s etc.) and while I do think that those types of moves would have bought a victory this or last season…it really wouldn’t have positioned us to make a serious run when Mario comes into his own over these next couple years.
Now don’t get me wrong…I think that some of their decisions are clearly not working out, and we need some BIGGER better linemen, a short-yardage “shove it down their f’n throat” ability, and a consistent pass rush. But to overlook all the Texan’s growth b/c we are 2-3 while other teams have turned around things quicker (as infuriating as it is) is really selling our progress short. I don’t think we fire Smithiak, I think the exact opposite…I think we look at the big picture…assess whether he is capable…(which I think he is) and buy low. Crazytalk I know.
This “have to win this game or coach is getting axed” discussion has been going on too long and should be laid to rest. They certainly haven’t been perfect, but I think only the 0-16 Lions resemble the poor shape this team was in when Smithiak’s tenure began…virtually talentless with maxed out credit. Our best days are still ahead. Silver lining on a thunderhead, for sure, but what the hell,,,I’m a Texan!
Sorry about the f’n War & Piece (O.S.) entry.
by Smittybaby on Oct 16, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
You are my friend?? You will be my boyfriend.
Awesome, awesome post, good sir!
I completely forgot about the salary cap angle. One that has severly limited our ability to really get some good depth. Isn’t it this coming offseason that Jason Babin is finally off our books?
I, too, thought the playoff talk was pushing it a bit this year, but my guess was 9 wins, which I still think is completely possible. There are still far too many gaping holes that need to be fixed, and I understand that Smithiak doesn’t have enough fingers to plug them in one or two offseasons.
Excellent post!
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by beefy on Oct 16, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casserly's raping
Of the salary cap is not quite done yet.
by JimboTexan on Oct 16, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we could be going right back into it
Depending on what we do with Schaub, DeMeco and OD. Dunta shouldn’t be problem, I figure, because there is no way we’re going to open the checkbook for him the way he has played.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 17, 2009 4:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is...
These are actually good, proven guys. You think the Colts are cussing for giving Peyton half the team’s cap space??
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by beefy on Oct 17, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think Kubiak has done wonders in the personnel department. He did inherit a complete mess that needed to be fixed. I was only reffering to the stagnation. I originally didn’t have this post in mind. I was just curious about where we stood in relation to last year so last night I looked it up. The statistics were so eerily similar I decided to write the post.
I don’t think McNair should fire Kubiak, but as for the “don’t measure his success by his record, but rather what he has achieved” argument, I don’t by it. It’s cliche, but you are what your record says you are. We can sit around and laud the incredible turn around that he has accomplished, but if we end up at 8-8 with similar statistics, where is the progresson?
I wasn’t expecting the Super Bowl or a divisional title this year, and I’m even cool with not making the playoffs. All I wanted to see was progression, and so far this year the Texans haven’t. If they do, I’ll be the first one to talk about nothing but lollypops and rainbows (ask Tim). We just haven’t seen it yet.
I don’t think McNair would fire Kubiak this year for anything short of a collapse, but we don’t know, he did make a lot of uncharacteristic comments about making it to the playoffs earlier this year. If anything, I worry that the thoughts I put into this article would be part of the reasoning used to fire Kubiak, which I don’t want.
You know... for kids.
by Jake on Oct 16, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let the RECORD show that...
we are now two (2) wins better than we were at this point last year.
Progress? I guess not.
I mean, I kinda get why everyone is a bad play away from completely giving up (and some of us already have…. but then took it back… and probably will again). Football is frustrating. It’s completely maddening when you’ve got several REALLY good players and alot of also-rans, posing as NFL cornerbacks and offensive linemen, and it appears some of you have reached the breaking point of that frustration. I would like to ask those people how two wins better than last year is regression, and a reason to grab the pitchfork and torch (good analogy, btw, whomever brought it up) and run the coaches out of town.
Alot of my fellow fans are finger-pointers and quitters, and I’ve just got to get used to that. Did the Rockets’ success in the 90’s spoil everyone so much that you can afford to be so fair-weathered? Lord knows the Oilers and Astros were always let-downs, so it’s not like any of you should be new to this, and have other franchises you can lean on when you give up on one. I gotta tell you, it gives me major sad-face when I read that kind of stuff, and it’s exactly the kind of attitude that makes no one feel sorry for us having lost the Oilers to Czar Bud, King of the Douchers and his band of meth-headed butt fuckers.
It should be noted that most of this is not directed at Jake or his thoughts. It just kinda snowballed on me after the “progression/regression” subject came up again and again.
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by beefy on Oct 16, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the record is wrong
we are only one win better.
You would be correct, were it not for Schaub and his amazing technicolor QB draw.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Oct 16, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon me, but...
Week 1: HOU 17 @ PIT 38
Week 2: Hurricane bye
Week 3: HOU 12 @ TEN 31
Week 4: HOU 27 @ JAC 30
Week 5: IND 31 @ HOU 27
That’s 0-4, by my count.
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by beefy on Oct 16, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not To Get All Mathy...
But we’ve played five games, haven’t we? I seem to recall that we started 1-4 last year.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Oct 16, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that was my math
you know, the correct one.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Oct 16, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to quote... well... myself...
“we are now two (2) wins better than we were at this point last year.”
You thought I meant “after 5 games” while I meant “after 5 weeks.”
Goddammit, why are you making me argue about THIS, when my powers could be used elsewhere???
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by beefy on Oct 17, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
besides...
One win or two wins better, regardless of how you slice the motherfucker… Is that not progress?? Damn, you guys suck!
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by beefy on Oct 17, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, It's Progress
Although I still take exception at you attempting to deem 2 wins in 5 games and 1 win in 5 games/0 wins in 5 weeks (counting the Ike cancellation) as equal. It’s positively Justicean logic.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Oct 17, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now that's an insult
Note to self: Insert something witty here.
by bigfatdrunk on Oct 17, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right...
5 weeks into a season is not the same as 5 weeks into a season, contrary to popular belief. How could I possibly think that?
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by beefy on Oct 17, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your powers elsewhere
Oh, too damn easy.
Note to self: Insert something witty here.
by bigfatdrunk on Oct 17, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm nowhere near
Giving up on this season or Kubiak. I think the Texans can pick up their level of play, especially considering Kubiak led teams have notoriously slow starts. The Texans have gone 2-6, 3-5 and 3-5 in Kubiak’s three years, and every year they won two more games in the second half than they did in the first half.
I’m not suggesting Kubiak should be fired. I get what you’re saying about having two more wins, but I’m also talking about the similarities between production, both on offense and defense. I get that there have been major steps forward in repairing the personnel mistakes, but if the personnel is so much better, than the production should be as well.
The finger pointing came as a result of frustration. The Texans record is wholly unpredictable at this point because they’re giving up around the same amount of points they are scoring. Moreover, I just want to see the same team. It’s maddening to see the defense be so terrible one half and so good the next. It’s not just looking at the roster that leads to high expectations, it’s flashes of potential during the games.
Lastly, just because the Oilers and Astros have been let downs, doesn’t mean we should expect or be ok with less than our expectations now.
You know... for kids.
by Jake on Oct 16, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand what you're saying
and I just felt like going on rants this week – just kind of in that mood. I know it’s a combination of things as to why the Texans are playing like they are and i think maybe you hit it on the head b/c yes i am very frustrated. 8 years of really nothing but having my hopes and dreams destroyed and your mention of the oilers probably adds to that. I remember the Bills debocle and when we went 12-4 and lost to KC in the first round. Then Bud took the team and ran to Tenn and we were without football for a while and then we got our Texans. I guess I’m just frustrated that during my whole football viewing life we haven’t been able to get anywhere with our football team and this is TEXAS – we are known for being a football state. We live and die football in Texas. I’m just ready for a winning team and after 8 years I guess that’s all I’m asking for (at least for now).
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by Bobobigbro on Oct 16, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problems with Kubiak
First, he doesn’t seem to really understand the talent he has on the roster, nor does he understand how to use it. Really, I refer to my own post the other day about the Chris Brown-centric play-calling. We don’t have the o-line or the RB to be truly successful with dives, and he does them, anyway. Drafting 3rd and 4th TEs this year instead of a S or RB? I mean, cmon. And does anybody think Hill is the key to our red zone offense?
Then you have his in-game clock management and challenges. Yes, in his third year, he finally won a challenge. Yay. But these aspects of his coaching have been horrible and haven’t improved.
I agree with many, though, that there don’t seem to be better solutions out there. It’s just that, not only players are supposed to improve, but so are coaches. I’m not feeling it.
Note to self: Insert something witty here.
by bigfatdrunk on Oct 17, 2009 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
For your use of paragraphs.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 17, 2009 4:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did that
just for you.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
by Bobobigbro on Oct 17, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure the Texans
are prepared to breakthrough mediocrity and post-season glory as long as Timmy-boy is a fan. (CFHTim) rofl By the way, let’s seem some more babes!
by Ayrshire on Oct 16, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A colts fan eh?
I guess im gonna have to come back to Stampede Blue and get banned again.
Damn forehead worshippers.
by Jordann on Oct 16, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like most of this frustration stems from one thing....
the curse of medium-high expectations. That, my boyfriends, is precicely where everyone’s going wrong…
Smittybaby’s Single Secret to Success: Lower Expectations!
I mean, some of you can’t handle the disappointment. You need to lower your expectations so much so that you no longer worry about things like winning the Texans/Bengals game. The truly happy among us are pleasantly surprised when the kids walk out on the tv screen, beaming pride to see that the team was on time, in the right city and in uniform. Trust me, it makes the whole experience an Amazing achievement.
by Smittybaby on Oct 16, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well... in my opinion.
i’ve read all the comments. and both sides have valid points. i just want our “Bad News Bears” to do well. and i just don’t see why bustin’ em up is helping things. to a man in that locker room, those guys are sick of losing. they want to be successful. blame coaching blame players blame management hell blame their wives for not giving em some b4 the game! or the waiter at chili’s who served ribs who game em the runs! you can blame anybody but what it boils down to is football is like war. 16 mini battles. we may lose some, but it’s all about surviving the season. who knows what big names may go down yet?
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by chrisd21 on Oct 16, 2009 9:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
chili's???
Ribs? At Chili’s???
Dear God….
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by beefy on Oct 17, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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