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Post-Game Breakdown: Texans Hang On Against 49ers

BFD already did a fine job taking a look at many of the individual performances from Sunday's win over the Niners, so I'm going to focus on the bigger picture in this PGB. First and foremost:

1. I can't help but notice how many of us seemed viciously unhappy with the "W" on Sunday. Reading many of the Comments in the open game threads, you'd think the Texans lost the game. This isn't exactly the first time we've responded like that, either; recall how down and/or critical many of us were after the win over Oakland. My thought? The Texans don't have a rich enough history of success for any of us to be depressed about a win, no matter how nasty it got at the end (and it did get way too close for comfort). I lose sight of this from time to time. We're not the Steelers. We're not the Colts. Our best single-season winning percentage is .500. To put it mildly, wins have been scarce. When we get one, we shouldn't let the potential sting of a near-loss ruin the experience. Now, is there a lot to discuss and question? Absolutely. Never should have gotten as close as it did. But I'm going to do my best not to let those concerns completely overshadow the relative rarity of a Texans victory. In a year or two, with some semblance of sustained achievement, perhaps. Not yet, though.

2. Even with the second-half struggles, I can honestly say that I never had a doubt the Texans would hold on. I don't recall ever feeling that way before.

3. The defense remains a work in progress, but the rush defense is exponentially better than it was at the beginning of the season. It's been exceptional for the last month.

4. Not coincidentally, Amobi Okoye is becoming more and more of a factor every week. I no longer think his face should be on the back of a milk carton.

5. Nice to see Super Mario return to the sack column. Query: Is that injured shoulder affecting him more than he or the team is letting on?

6. Jeff Zgonina: Second-best DT on the roster? Third-best? Under any analysis, Frank Okam is getting embarrassed week in and week out.

7. Every superlative performance by Owen Daniels makes it less likely that he gets a long-term deal from the Texans. I cannot see Smithiak giving him the Kellen Winslow, Jr. money he wants considering the upcoming obligations the team has to address (e.g., DeMeco Ryans, Matt Schaub's option, a new deal for Mario Williams, etc.), and games like Sunday only reinforce the notion that OD deserves to be paid like one of the top TEs in the league. What's more, given the animosity between the parties that surfaced this past summer, banking on OD taking a hometown discount to stay in Houston seems foolish. Thus, the question becomes whether you think the Texans should pay a TE, even one as gifted as OD, the $20 mil or so guaranteed that it'll likely take to keep him happy here. I hate to say it, and I absolutely love Owen Daniels, but I don't think you can, given the dollars you're going to have to dole out to others. And that's not even taking into account whether James Casey can be a reasonable facsimile of OD.

8. Has any player fallen farther during the Smithiak Era than Fred Bennett? From rookie stud to not even dressing for a game when presumably healthy. Who ever would have thought we'd be here after the 2007 season?

9. Eugene Wilson and Bernard Pollard are the best safety tandem the Texans have ever had.

10. What did Ryan Moats do to Gary Kubiak and/or Kyle Shanahan? I'm all for yanking Steve Slaton when he puts the ball on the ground, but why is Chris Brown the exclusive backup? Especially since Moats looked so good against Oakland?

11. Watching Matt Schaub play QB for the Houston Texans makes me truly appreciate how wretched David Carr was and makes me even angrier that it took me almost five (5) years to stop making excuses for Carr.

12. Is the Texans' offense multidimensional enough to warrant playing it safe with Andre Johnson this week? And what is playing it safe--can you dress 'Dre and play him as a decoy? Or do you give him two weeks to heal in preparation for the divisional battle with Indianapolis? I'd like to think the Texans can win one without 'Dre, but I would not want to be making that decision.

13. Alex Smith should send the Texans a nice care package for getting his career back on track. No disrespect to Smith, of course, but three (3) TD passes to the exact same player on what appeared to be the exact same route? He owes Frank Bush a bottle of scotch.

For all the positive vibes we've seen from the first winning streak this season, the Texans must keep it going on Sunday at Buffalo if they truly are in the hunt for a playoff spot. The Bills have had several chances to roll over and haven't, so they're not to be taken lightly, and a road game is a road game. Even with Andre Johnson, this wasn't going to be a picnic. Without him? Very, very dangerous.

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case n point.

i dragged out the old mittens game vs buffalo, and watched an average run play. no penetration by our d-line, and the back busts it for 20. fast forward to the cin. game this year, similar play, bull rush off the line, our LB’s are all headed downfield, and it’s for a 2 yd game. we have made HUGE strides.

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by chrisd21 on Oct 27, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good write-up Timmy!!

As for the head-hanging comments after losses, I’m with you. I think some people have just been bitching about the team so much in the past, that it’s difficult to curtail that knee-jerk response, even after we actually win a game. It will prolly take 3-4 years of winning football to stop it.
Completely agree with you on all other points, but the Zgonina one is the toughest to swallow. I just cannot pretend to be happy that this guy is playing for my team.

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by beefy on Oct 27, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Zgonina

I hear you, although I’m actually a fan of his. He’s a great story and, even better, he’s exceeding all reasonable expectations. A sack against SF, and he recovered the game-clinching fumble at TEN. That’s two more big plays than we’ve gotten from most of the DTs in franchise history.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Oct 27, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Falling on a ball and coming untouched to a QB on a 6/7 man blitz

Not exactly the most difficult plays in the world to make. Not that I don’t love the story.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement

by riversmccown on Oct 27, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theres something to be said for being in the right place at the right time.

by nolander on Oct 27, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe there is

But it doesn’t exactly have predicative future value.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement

by riversmccown on Oct 27, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kinda disagree

think Ed Reed. Always seems to be around the play. Right place right time, or has good instincts?

That has predictive future value.

Too small a sample set on Zgonina to tell if its luck or not, but give him the benefit of the doubt to prove otherwise.

Maybe there’s more to it than that.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Oct 27, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The defense has done nothing special...

Gotcha! The defense is playing very well. While I still believe the Raiders are nothing to write home about in terms of stopping them defensively, the Texans have demonstrated some really good defensive play. I echo Tim in not being worried about the second half defensive woes. Buffalo should be a cakewalk. If the Texans lose, I take all this back (just kidding).

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Oct 27, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Texans don’t have a rich enough history of success for any of us to be depressed about a win, no matter how nasty it got at the end (and it did get way too close for comfort).

Seems more like the lack of regular season wins feeds the pessimism therein to me.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement

by riversmccown on Oct 27, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Moats

I agree. I’d like to know what happened to Ryan Moats. He must be in somebody’s dog house.

by mjmtx18 on Oct 27, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's gonna suck

if OD leaves after this season. For sure we need to let Dunta go. I wish Moats could get a few carries, but hard to spread out carries when you don’t run the ball that much. That fact that Zgonina is playing for this team a significant amount of snaps, shows the most glaring weakness of this defense IMO.

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by CFHTim on Oct 27, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Letting OD go

I’m not sure we can let both Kevin Walter and OD go after this season, so who would you keep and why?

by killtacular on Oct 27, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just because we have 6 other TE's on the roster

I’d keep KW if I had to pick one.

But all that is based on the promise that is James Casey.

OD is a stud. Probably irreplaceable. But the drop off from OD to Casey is less than KW to JJ, IMO.

Although, I hope we don’t draft a TE in 2010, but a WR2 might be a possibility. Which would mean you sign OD.

I just fear OD is pricing himself out of Houston, whether we make him a priority or not.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Oct 27, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

let kw and od go...

and draft dez bryant in the first round….

just kidding (BUT THAT WOULD BE REDIC!)

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Oct 27, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unrelated...

but why have we played so many teams coming off their bye weeks ? Don’t the schedule makers look at that ?

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by CFHTim on Oct 27, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and the Redskins

played their first team that had a win this season last night.

They played all o-fers! What luck is that?

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Oct 27, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This team

could go to Indy and beat them.

I have confidence in our defense, finally. And our offense has always kept us in the game.

Oh, we gotta play the Bills first? Yeah, that one’s scary. We need that one.

But imagine 6-3 headin’ into the bye…

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Oct 27, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we could beat the colts in Indy, but I don’t expect to. I would however expect a close game, and to beat them the next time around at home. Goodness it would be great to sweep them after what happened last year.

by nolander on Oct 28, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does not compute

Our secondary blows goats. Indy has the best QB in the league. Our offense is good if Schaub has time to throw, but our tackles have to contend with Freeney and Mathis.

I fear that we will get crushed by Indy.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 28, 2009 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

Out strengths/weaknesses with the dolts don’t match up well.

I haven’t already given up on the game or anything like that, but, obviously, the dolts are our greatest challenge this year. /master of the obvious.

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Oct 28, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’ll take our offense being completely and utterly unstoppable to win against them.

by nolander on Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some good thoughts, Tim

Fastforward to No. 7 – I hate to say it, I love OD, but the team can not overpay! They have hard decisions to make on key positions, but I want to look around the league and put up examples of teams holding the line, losing a player, but filling the empty slot with a player that was groomed to come along and eventually do just that. The Patriots and Steelers always seem to come to mind when talking about teams that can and do do that. It takes nerves of steel to pull those triggers. Those teams can do it, because they have got their teams to that level of performance, where a piece can be lost and replaced while the team keeps moving forward. Perhaps that is why it is so important for this Texans team to reach the playoffs this year. It is not necessarily so they can reward their players for a job well done. It is so they can have the team running at that level where they are in position to reload when needed. OD may be the first in line to be one of those players that becomes expendable out of the necessity to not overpay. I would like to nominate Dunta Robinson for that honor, but the other half of the equation is who is there to take a players spot and in OD’s case, there is a player. At the cornerback position, there are players, but the Molden is more often injured, and Bennett as you noted, is on the outs. That leaves a couple of rooks who are proving themselves, but still have a way to go. I admit, Casey has proven nothing in game situations, only in practice and preseason, but the potential seems to be evident. Sure, his time on the field is going to be limitied because how can you take out OD right now, when he is SO key to every chance this team has for victory each week. I know. I haven’t given the position to Casey, yet. But, just saying. Anyways, I hope I’m wrong, but it would not surprise me if OD becomes expendable due to his price tag.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Oct 27, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i would really hate to see that...

OD is such a huge part of this offense…just him going in motion makes defenses look silly…while i’d hate to see walter go, OD is a legitimate go to guy…aside from AJ we don’t have too many we can say really fit that bill…

by turnip73 on Oct 27, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The question is what is a value of a TE who is more along the lines of a #1 type reciever? There are very very few teams who can cover a guy like OD and AJ at the same time.

by nolander on Oct 28, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind that...

the Steelers and Patriots are really good teams, and when you’re really good, really good free agents will sign with you for next to nothing, just to get a shot at a ring (moreso for the Pats, but you smell me). That makes it a little easier for them to let go of some of their players and replace them adequately.

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by beefy on Oct 28, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Owen..

I don’t think we can Overvalue, exactly what OD has achieved in the last three years.
How many times has OD caught a clutch 3rd down pass to keep the chains moving?
I wonder how many games we would have won the last two years without him?
Other than Dre and Schaub, he’s the most important piece of our offense IMO.
Just because we have quantity at the TE position doesn’t mean they can replace him.

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by bullpen116 on Oct 28, 2009 8:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I think Casey is starting to look like a bargaining chip pick that back-fired. That sounds harsher than it’s meant to be; Casey is still young and talented. But it seemed like, even then, he was picked primarily to scare OD. OD has played incredibly well as a response.

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Oct 28, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

If you remember, Casey was the 2nd TE (of 27) picked in this draft. And the FO/coaches said exactly what we (fans) figured on draft day, that he was just too good of a draft value to pass up at that point. (What was it, late 5th?)

So considering Casey was “expected” to be picked by the end of the 3rd (at the latest), I can’t see how this was some master plan to pick him due to his potential OD-like skillset. And there’s just no fucking way that Hill was taken with the thought of replacing OD.

I think everyone is forgetting something very important to this Pay OD debate. If the CBA is not finished/accepted in time, then OD won’t be a UFA after this year. From the purely business side of things, Bob/Rick are taking a financial gamble that they will have the absolute best value at TE for another year.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStroKets!

by Shake on Oct 28, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm

Good points.

To me, it goes back to: why have so many TEs on your roster. We had just taken Hill, and that made the Casey pick weird (or vice-versa). Especially when we had/have so many other questions around the team, drafting a glut of TEs just didn’t make much sense, good value or not. If there’s no room to play the guy, value doesn’t matter much.

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Oct 28, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You lose sleep over those two picks, don't you?

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by beefy on Oct 28, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA!

Yeah, my distaste for those picks (the Hill pick, and the Casey pick because of Hill) really shines through, don’t it?

Depth is a great luxury to have when you feel the rest of the team is solid. When Zgonina is the best NT on your roster? Or you have Ferguson and Barber at SS? Or even Wilson at FS (not a big fan)? Then…not so much.

Plus, I hate drafting specialists.

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Oct 28, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit, bfd...

At it again?

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Oct 28, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hill

was picked to replace Bruener.

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by beefy on Oct 28, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who was Casey picked to replace?

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Oct 28, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but...

Just a couple months after he signed a three-year deal?

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Oct 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me rephrase

Yes, Casey could very well have been taken with the thought that he could replace OD next year (or year after, depending on CBA). My point is just that it would have been a “spur of the moment conspiracy” against OD, and not something cooked up in advance of the 5th round.

And casting aside all other position needs (which they obviously did), can you really have any problem with a late 5th rounder who may or may not be able to fill in if we choose not to afford soldier in battle Winslow’s contract? That late in the draft, it was a valid concern and a pretty cheap gamble.

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by Shake on Oct 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also...re: Dressen

Is it really a contract so big that it couldn’t be thrown in the trash if we cut him? I mean hell, by then we should have some money freed up from Babin’s contract.

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by Shake on Oct 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shake, you are one fine ass motherfucker

Thanks to Keith’s cap research (and here’s 2010), I’ll answer my own question.

Dressen costs less than 1MM this year (600k salary), and has a salary of 760k next year (not including roster bonus since discussion revolves around cutting him).

Also, we are paying Weaver 5.4MM this year. To masterbate. On a very expensive couch. In a huge fucking house.

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by Shake on Oct 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

By the way.

When I googled Mario Williams it shows “Reggie Bush” on the related searches. WTF?!

by Jordann on Oct 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'ed

For a true subject line.

Yeah, you got me on the facts (known knowns). I still think Casey was picked to scare OD to a certain extent, but that could easily be my paranoia. IOW, you could be right about that, too.

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Oct 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't hurt to add another receiving threat.

I loved the Casey Pick. Loathed the Hill pick.

But when I thought about Hill replacing Bruener and Casey making the switch to WR, I nutted on my slacks. (It still hasn’t happened yet, but I can see Casey moving to WR in the near future)

I dont think the Texans drafted Casey to replace OD at all given his versatility to play other positions. I saw it as the Texans adding depth to our already talented offense.

Was he used as a bargaining chip on the OD negotiations? Absolutely.
From the business side of things, it was a win-win for Rick. If it would’ve worked, we would be saving some money. And if it didn’t, we’ve added another talent to our roster that could step in the game at any given time and any given position. And his marketability would make us a lot of money in the long run if he does succeed in our offense.

by Jordann on Oct 28, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great.

I really should turn on the auto update for comments.

by Jordann on Oct 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shake

Im not very aware of the whole CBA hoopla but if it isn’t finished/accepted, aren’t we able to put a franchise tag on two players?

by Jordann on Oct 28, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no expert either

But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express a few years ago when they were running those commercials.

Anywho, basically if the CBA is not renewed/signed/whatever, then some players will be caught in a bad “window” as far as their contracts are concerned. If I remember correctly, both OD and DeJesus would RFAs instead of UFAs….or something like that.

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by Shake on Oct 28, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With you 100%!

OD won that game for us last week. If you were really watching the game he was the only one that Schaub could really count on getting the ball to and in a hurry. Our Oline is playing ok on pass protection and not as great as some think. He has been able to avoid many, many sacks because of OD and his ability to seperate quickly from the defender and get open to where Schaub can get him the ball. I too hope that Casey developes but if we are to continue to become better and thatis what I am hoping for not only this year but next year and the years after. He needs to stay on this team – over paid or not. And the question about KW or OD – OD in a heart beat. KW doesn’t win games for us. Sure he is a good #2 receiver but I think you could find a fill in for him a lot easier than you can find someone to fill in for OD and still get the same production.

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by Bobobigbro on Oct 28, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of teams can cover a good even great #2. How many teams can cover an OD? Far far fewer.

by nolander on Oct 29, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs


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