Was The Moats Fumble Called Incorrectly?
Alan Burge does a nice job breaking down the Zapruder Film massive Ryan Moats fumble in Indianapolis on Sunday. Take a read and sound off in the Comments. Did the refs screw up?
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 10, 2009 9:03 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
the ball makes a turn
in mid-air, mind you
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Refs didn't screw up,
they got what they wanted. If the roles were reversed I have the feeling the refs would have let the ruling on the field stand, because there wasn’t undisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 9:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
REALLY?? u do know that the ruling on the field was a fumble right so what your saying is not so.
the fact is there was not enough to change it to not a fumble and coulnt change the call cause there isn’t undisputable evidence. also in this article he makes one clam that isn’t true and that is the leg was out if you look close the leg is still in the air however it looks like his elbow is out
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by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The ruling on the field was down by contact
Whistles blew before Powers picked up the ball and if it was ruled a fumble it would have been colts ball on the field because Powers recovered it.
by TexasHoosier on Nov 10, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok so lets go with what you say. we admit it was a fumble correct?? right. so know the
question is, is it out of bounds cause it makes contact with bethea although moats is still in bounds fumbling it
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by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If its a fumble then moats no longer has possession, right?
In that case shouldnt the ball be dead once its touched by Bethea while he is out of bounds because nobody has possession and he is out of bounds touching the ball?
by TexasHoosier on Nov 10, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
idk but the officials do and i am curious of what the rulling will be.
also what angles did the refs have?? thats a good question to ask cause many times they dont have all the angles we got. so that could have played a role but also the ball was pinned between the two players so does that change anything??
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by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the refs had the CBS broadcast
I dont know what else it would be because if its the home teams replays then the replays could easily be biased.
Kubiak put in a claim to the league about this play so hopefully they make some kind of clarification.
by TexasHoosier on Nov 10, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea im waiting for that clarification cause all we are doing is speculation
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by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
check the rants and raves thread
I called this Sunday night
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good Call Texanphil
Does Goodell hire SEC officials for Texans games ?
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
here's my take
ok I’ll go one better
the tackling Colts defender keeps the ball in play with his hand. Watch the movement of the ball after Moats drops it. Its moving in the same direction Moats is, out of bounds. Then it moves back into the field of play, touched by what looks like the Colts player, who’s back is out of bounds.
Texans ball at the one. Colts player touched the fumbled ball while out of bounds.
Not only that, but the ruling on the field was no fumble, and without conclusive evidence that the Colts player DIDN’T touch it in the manner I describe above (which it looks like he did to me) you would have to go with the ruling on the field.
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by texanphil on Nov 8, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at least
when they missed the call, it wasn’t at a crucial time or place on the field.
So it probably had no effect on the game.
/sarcasm
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 9:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
should say
allegedly missed the call
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it again.
The league got what it wanted…..“The Undefeated Indianapolis Colts and Peyton Manning will face the surging Patriots led by Tom Brady on Monday Night Football.”
Sorry, just seems too odd to me that we happen to record up the most penalties ever under Kubiak in this game…
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I agree completely, that’s what the NFL wanted (more money, better ratings). How would it look if one of their darlings lost to little ole Houston?
The fumble was a fumble, but it should have been Texans ball on the one. Bethea’s arm touched the ball while he was laying out of bounds. Don’t try and explain that to a Colts fan, they only pick certain words they want to read or can read.
by Jahon on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a little bit of an overreaction, guys
PENALTY on HST-K.Bentley, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at HST 37 – No Play.
PENALTY on HST-Du.Robinson, Defensive Pass Interference, 7 yards, enforced at 50 – No Play.
PENALTY on HST-B.Pollard, Illegal Contact, declined.
PENALTY on HST-A.Smith, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at HST 13 – No Play.
PENALTY on HST-M.Williams, Defensive Offside, 4 yards, enforced at HST 8 – No Play.
PENALTY on HST-C.White, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at HST 41 – No Play.
PENALTY on HST-B.Cushing, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at HST 40 – No Play.
PENALTY on HST-D.Ryans, Defensive Pass Interference, 12 yards, enforced at HST 35 – PENALTY on HST-A.Smith, Defensive Offside, offsetting, enforced at HST 23 – No Play.
PENALTY on HST-E.Wilson, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at IND 20 – No Play.
PENALTY on HST-J.Jones, Offensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at IND 39 – No Play.
PENALTY on HST-J.Nading, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at HST 24.
PENALTY on HST-C.Barwin, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at IND 31.
PENALTY on HST-C.Barwin, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at HST 45 – No Play.
PENALTY on HST-K.Studdard, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at HST 39 – No Play.
Which of these are really bad penalties? I can remember thinking that the unneccessary roughness on Eugene Wilson was ridiculous, but that’s about it. Most of these penalties came off Manning changing up the snap count and throwing our d-line off. The two pass interference calls were right IMO, Nothing else seems THAT out of line. Maybe you can say that the Colts should’ve had as many holding penalties as we did, but I just don’t think it’s bad enough to raise the question of absolute favoritism.
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by riversmccown on Nov 10, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I overreacted a little, but...
If this game was played on our turf, the calls would not have been so lopsided. I understand the offsides calls, but the unnecessary roughness on both Barwin and Wilson were crap, especially Wilson’s. The pass inference calls were crap, expect for Meco’s.
The holding calls were ridiculous. Your telling me that Mario or none of our boys were held? They had 4 penalties compared to our 13, that is rather lopsided…plus a crap call on a fumble.
by Jahon on Nov 10, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the rant.
Just still pissed about this loss.
by Jahon on Nov 10, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are missing the point.
It isn’t whether the calls were accurate 100% of the time, it’s the number of calls.
Look, you can call a foul on every play if you want…SOMEONE is doing something somewhere on every play. They don’t call fouls on every play because the game would last nine hours.
But they CAN if they want to….
Record number of penalties under Kubiak by a disciplined team midway through the season?
First game of the season? Sure.
Now? Mid season before MARQUEE MNF matchup? I dunno….
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It was ridiculous…I have never seen so many yellow flags. Every damn play.
by Jahon on Nov 10, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes you have.
Our first and second year and third year in the league.
Well I have. I dont know about you.
by Jordann on Nov 10, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok....
I have witnessed those games, but I have done a good job of blocking those horrible memories. Since mittens left, the penalties have diminished. Well at least the delay of game calls and the intentional grounding calls have.
by Jahon on Nov 10, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about fumbled snaps from center ?
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are missing the flow of the game.
The Houston defense jumping offsides on a change of a snap count isn’t new at all. They spent the whole third quarter against SF biting early on Alex Smith’s different snap count.
Additionally, because the Texans spent all game trying to limit the big plays, they needed the Colts offense to screw up to get off the field. A dropped pass, a hurry, etc. Do you think that maybe, maybe, they were playing a little closer than usual because of this?
I’m usually the head of cheering on ref hating, but this isn’t really a situation where things were out of hand. This is pseudo-inferiority complex, man. The Wilson roughness was pretty ridiculous. The rest of it shouldn’t be a shock at all.
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by riversmccown on Nov 10, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im with Rivers on this one.
We killed ourselves with penalties. And that’s that.
by Jordann on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU GUYS ARE BLIND! THATS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE!! THE REFS ARE WATCHING!!
Ok…just sayin…I still find it odd.
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
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by riversmccown on Nov 10, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the only way to fly.
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't the jumping offsides that pissed me off, that happens.
It was Antonio Smith and Barwin lining up offsides that pissed me off, they weren’t drawn offsides, they lined up that way.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i just can't believe..
how many times in one game i saw koobs mouth the word bullshit over and over….
by turnip73 on Nov 10, 2009 10:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i only saw one “fucking bullshit” since i was mostly punching a hole in the wall after the ridiculous review
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 10, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I for one..
loved the fact that he was showing a ton of emotion.
by Jahon on Nov 10, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats what changed this year
before he looked pissed and dumbfounded.
Now he looks intense.
I think its the Pollard effect.
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
for the Pollard Effect
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by Bobobigbro on Nov 10, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even more evidence that the league got what it wanted...
The ref said that Powers only had one foot in bounds as he recovered the fumble when he clearly had both. That gave the colts much better field position, which in the end was a moot point thanks to Bernard Pollard. When the ref announced it was a fumble i agreed with him, but when he said Powers only had one foot in bounds i went beserk and was convinced the ref is blind or has orders from the league.
by TexasHoosier on Nov 10, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
definitely not moot
2 min left in the half with the Colts at the 1/2 yard line. We may force a punt and have better field position and a lot more time than to just get a 55 yard FG.
Not to mention the potential for a safety.
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have thought...
That having not established himself back inbounds, the Colts players was therefore out of bounds. Once the ball touches something out of bounds, the ball itself is out of bounds and therefore, it is dead.
Of course I’m working of NCAA rules, which is what I use to officiate.
So the ball is touched twice, once by the tackler and a second time by the player recovering the ball, by someone out of bounds. And not only is the ball not dead, either time. But they get a fumble recovery by an ineligible player, who is out of bounds. Therefore a touchback??
WTF?
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by distant_texans_fan on Nov 10, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw this was a good piece of investigative work by the dude who wrote that and texanphil
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 10, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, major props to tp
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 10, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and AJ
I think that’s Burge’s nick. He used to hang out here occasionally.
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 10, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The real problem
Is that there never should have been a call in the first place, because Kubiak should’ve got the play off.
by JimboTexan on Nov 10, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
if he was on his couch
I would agree.
They watch the game from above, but do they watch CBS?
You had the benefit of an immediate instant replay.
If it wasn’t Peyton Manning on the other sideline, and he wasn’t moving the ball at will against us, I think Kubiak snaps the ball. But not for the reason you want him to.
I think he’ll get a plan for this for the future gameplan, maybe a running play on any potential replay disaster.
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kubiak said in his presser that they already have a go-to play.
He was more concerned with not leaving too much time on the clock for Peyton.
by carsonwayne on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is the mic to the QB
always hot?
Or does someone cut it off when the play starts?
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
mic goes off at 10 seconds on the play clock, if im not mistaken.
if you're hating on dunta... ask yourself. are you upset that YOU aren't worth 10 million dollars?
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by chrisd21 on Nov 10, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you're Peyton Manning or Tom Brady....
In which case at 10 seconds your are transfered to Strategic Command’s satellite array and are fed realtime image and data updates via an NFL implant in your eye regarding opposing player’s movements, directions, speed and probable attack angles.
But ya…for most qb’s it turns off at 10 seconds.
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Not yet. They can't find a network connection in New Orleans.
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lmfao.....
funnyyyyyyy
if you're hating on dunta... ask yourself. are you upset that YOU aren't worth 10 million dollars?
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by chrisd21 on Nov 10, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about my QB?
tf does it again. lmao!
by b0wse on Nov 10, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tim, dont you mean "Magruder" film???
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by Tim on Nov 10, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ciao, From Italia
Roaming around here on a long vacation. I was shocked to see highlights of the game on CNN last night. Unfortunately, looks like our luck remains constant. But from the stats, it looks like a pretty evenly matched game. Considering the game was in Indy, where we have typically been used more frequently than an Amsterdam hooker, I am going to look at this as a positive indicator.
by kozanack on Nov 10, 2009 2:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hey koz!
Drink a beer for me.
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 10, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When BFD say "A beer", he is generally referring to a keg.
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bene!
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
molto bene!
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 10, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but when YOU say it, it sounds like "Malt Beer"
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yea! He coughed up the ball!
But the refs did screw us. It should of been spotted on the 1. Cushing could of got his 2nd safety and it would of changed the out come of the game! Ahhhhhhh we should of won the damn game! Some one needs to do something about manning! He’s jus gettin in our way. We better make the damn playoffs for cryin out loud!!!!!
by Texan_4_life on Nov 10, 2009 3:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
hey so we got the ball but you guys on that drive for us after the fumble Int. the ball correct?? so you got points out of it anyway
so stop complaining all of you
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes we got points
but kicking a field goal at the buzzer and having the ball at the 1 are completely different things. a.k.a. possible touchdown vs. the field goal.
by TexasHoosier on Nov 10, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea thats true
but we know it was a fumble so now if it was indeed out of bounds because it made contact with bethea it would be a bad call. but no wose than the bad call on saturday that cost us a possible TD. plus this one was a lot closer and got to remember the officialls dont get much time to decide and it has to be clearly undisputable. which it was for the fumble but mabye not the rust idk
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by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know...
I’m kinda with you in theory.
You cannot extrapolate after a play. It just doesn’t work like that.
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 10, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm big on
the correctness of the call.
I’m not concerned as much with what woulda happened, or that there’s some conspiracy out there.
But I wanna see if the NFL officals rep says anything about this call.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I agree with this
See how easy I am? Ladies?
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 11, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the replay call "was" correct
then why did the Jackasses get the ball with 2 minutes left versus at the point of the fumble at 2:24 left? These refs screwed the pooch and I look foward to their explaination.
by Xetuoh on Nov 11, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Phil has convinced me the replay call was bad, but it’s not like anything is going to come from that. No do-overs. Maybe a weak apology. But it really won’t change anything. We still lost.
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 11, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
but anytime the NFL officiating get’s it’s nose rubbed into their shit, it may make future calls more “favorable”.
To claim they were wrong is also a moral victory of sorts. Since the call on Mike Renfro v. the Steelers (that in reality created the replay system), I’m tired of these streched anal cavity without a “thank you” or a kiss.
by Xetuoh on Nov 11, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight on NFL Access, Mike whatshisname, the Officiating VP will be explaining various calls from this week..
The Moats call will almost certainly top the list.
Can’t wait to hear him try and cover his ass on this one.
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by TexansForever on Nov 11, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't have much time and it has to be clearly indisputable
are both saying leave the call as it was on the field, so both of those were out of play in this scenario.
indisputable for the fumble, but maybe not the rest,… well the rest is the part that gives the ball to the Colts.
And did the bad call on Saturday take the ball from the Colts and give it to the Texans? or did it just give them another try, or 3 points? So “no worse” probably isn’t true.
Its too late to fix, but I want to see if its broke. Regardless, this was the play of the game for both teams.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grrrrrrr
I’m jus sick and tired of losing to the colts!!
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The Zapruder Film
LOL, Nice!
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by Mike Kerns on Nov 10, 2009 4:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think
I read somewhere that Bethea’s touching the ball didn’t count because Moats was on top of him, I’ll see if I can find out whether I in fact read this or imagined I did when intoxicated :)
by killtacular on Nov 10, 2009 6:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Here
Is Kube’s quote
“We felt that players were out of bounds that were touching the ball. And what they said was that Ryan was on top of whoever that player was, so technically he’s not out of bounds, he’s still in the field of play.”
So it doesn’t matter that Bethea touched it while out of bounds, because Moats was on top of him assuming that is the correct call; Burge’s post, while interesting, doesn’t apply here.
by killtacular on Nov 10, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I just don't get it
What is all this B.S. about Bethea toching the ball on the way out of Moat’s hands? Both players are out of bounds when the ball comes out. Just because you’re laying on top of someone and your body has not yet touched the ground does not make you technically ‘in bounds’. If this was true ,A player could step out of bounds at any time on his way to the goal line and , as long he stepped on somebody’s foot and not the actual ground, he would not be out of bounds and could score. Maybe he could “jump and fly’ like in the movie” Fly’in Tiger,Hidden Dragon" and dance on sidelined players helmets all the way to the end zone.C’mon ,Moats was OUT OF BOUNDS,BOTH THE COLTS WERE OUT OF BOUNDS——— END OF STORY.
by bill11 on Nov 10, 2009 7:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
actually only one colt was out of bounds
also it makes some sense because it is the same idea with a player being down he isn’t down if he is ontop of a player he isn’t making contact with the ground. also since moats is the one who fumbled and is still technically in bounds if that is the case then the call would be correct unless it was the person out of bounds (bethea who was to fumble) could be wrong but if the person has to be touching and not on top of someone then it is the right call
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by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The quote was a little unclear, but I believe it means that Bethea – not Moats – is still in the field of play because Moats was on top of Bethea. So Moats fumbles, Bethea touches it but is still in the field of play, and then it is recovered after this.
by killtacular on Nov 10, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there is no way that is possible
Bethea, although draped all over the sideline, is inbounds because the dude sitting on top of him isn’t out of bounds??
No. I don’t think the refs saw Bethea touch the ball. Or all the refs are in on a big, cloak and dagger conspiracy just to screw the Texans out of a win.
Probably the latter. /sarcasm
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not saying it makes sense
just saying thats what Kubiak says the refs told him. Which of course leaves open the possibility they are covering their asses and/or its a conspirasay! :)
by killtacular on Nov 11, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he could "jump and fly’ like in the movie" Fly’in Tiger,Hidden Dragon" and dance on sidelined players helmets all the way to the end zone.
Only Patrick Willis can do that.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whats funny
Cush has more tackles than PWillis
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by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by TexansForever on Nov 11, 2009 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea i still would like the explination coming for officialls cause i think we all have parts of the rule we
dont understand lol. but im thinking since moats is in bounds and is the one who has the ball when he fumbles that it isn’t technically out of bounds even though it touches bethea cause he didn’t touch it it touched him. however i could be completly wrong i need to see the rule first
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wait a second
I just read something….
the ruling on the field was down by contact.
So the texan players didn’t go after the ball because the whistle blew? After the play is ruled over (down by contact) I thought everything after that was not reviewable?
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 10:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you would have to check if thats the case at what moment the whistle was blown
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw on NFL network
the VP of officiating say they took the whistle out of the rulebook, cuz they couldn’t get the whistle on replay. So they said anything after the play “was ruled dead.”
The ref is waiving his arms when the Colt jumps back in and gets the ball. Who’s to say the Texans didn’t stop chasing the ball because of this? That’s why I thought it was not reviewable.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Nov 10, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops
Mike Periera, the VP of NFL officiating, in explaining their call, said
“we looked, and couldn’t find, TV replay of anyone touching the ball out of bounds, so we had to go back to the call on the field…”
uh, no, you jumped over that vast ocean, and REVERSED the call.
the slip/spin/bogus BS is at ~3:00 here.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Nov 12, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
his overall explanation
says we were unfortunate on many levels.
We retain the ball if the same exact scenario happens anywhere except the goal line.
Even if nobody touched it while it was out of bounds, (I will not concede this, and this is a major point, since this ASSUMPTION can NOT be IRREFUTABLE, and thus the call on the field should ALWAYS stand by definition) since he didn’t get the second foot in before touching the ball (the second close call that gives the Colts the ball on the 1/2 yard line or the 20 yard line) if this happens on the 1 yard line instead of the goal line, its Texans ball.
Unbelievable stroke of bad luck in so many different areas.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Nov 12, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By bad luck do you mean bad officiating? I always feel if they have to take as much time as they did to make the call, the call on the field should stand.
by nolander on Nov 12, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure about time being the factor
cuz when they overturn, they have to get the new ball placement and clock.
Obviously without seeing on video irrefutably HOW the ball moved back on to the field, by my post, I think the call should have stayed on the field.
But give the refs all the assumptions they made, if the same scenario happens and he picks it up at the 1 or anywhere other than the goal line, and the Texans still get to keep the ball. Thats where I get bad luck.
But if that last paragraph is true, and its not a legal “recovery” anywhere else on the field, why is it a legal recovery on the goal line?
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Nov 12, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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