Take The Half-Season Poll: Most Disappointing Defensive Player For Your Houston Texans?
by Tim on Nov 12, 2009 2:00 PM CST
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PrintTwo sides to every coin; we've already taken a look at the best, so now let's turn our attention to the other extreme. Which defensive player on the Texans has disappointed you the most thus far? Vote in the poll below and let us know why you voted the way you did in the Comments.
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Okam...
without question.
Damn, I wanted that guy to be the NT we’ve never known.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
This
But like yourself, he is the biggest disappointment because I had expectations. Like that he would be active for all the games.
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bennett
many thought he would be our starting CB, but he played terribly…and is inactive on gamedays…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Nov 12, 2009 2:11 PM CST reply actions
skip to about :45 to hear my answer......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUXtv8Mh3O8
if you're hating on dunta... ask yourself. are you upset that YOU aren't worth 10 million dollars?
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i dunno why that makes me laugh.. but it does.
if you're hating on dunta... ask yourself. are you upset that YOU aren't worth 10 million dollars?
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It's Up There
Fanfreakingtastic.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
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if you're hating on dunta... ask yourself. are you upset that YOU aren't worth 10 million dollars?
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So I’m going to kill you last.
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whenever freddy messes up...
i hear arnold’s voice in my head screaming his name.
if you're hating on dunta... ask yourself. are you upset that YOU aren't worth 10 million dollars?
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In regards to Connor Barwin...
You need to remember that his first NFL season marks the SECOND football season that he has played Defense.
He is a converted TE in college.
So don’t expect him to bust out and go wild this year. next year is when the coaches have said they expect Barwin to really begin to shine.
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Agreed
I cut Barwin a whole lot of slack for the reasons you mentioned. To me, he’s nowhere near the top of the list for biggest disappointments.
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Point taken but...
As a 2nd rounder I was hoping he would flash something once in a while but all that’s etched in my mind right now are his costly penalties last week.
I Voted For Bennett
But I almost voted for Okam.
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Voted Dunta
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by riversmccown on Nov 12, 2009 2:50 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
I vote BFD
For someone who says he can make all the plays, I’ve never seen his name in the stat sheet.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Nov 12, 2009 2:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Why?
Why are you continuing this feud to the point that your comments like this one are now the definition of Trolling?
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
The funniest part is...
I’m no longer even part of the feud.
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Sheesh!
You need to lighten up….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
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by TexansForever on Nov 13, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Damn y'all
Don’t make me type angrily in that direction.
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 13, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
A little surprised
To see Smith and Okoye with multiple votes.
Also, a litlte surprised that anyone had expectations for Dominique Barber and Nick Ferguson beyond “don’t fall down”
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Ditto
Smith wasn’t great the first couple of games, but he’s been pretty damn good this year.
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Also Agree
I’m really curious how people could have watched the last few games and voted for either, especially Smith.
You know... for kids.
I agree as well
Smith has been, at the very least, a major upgrade over Weaver
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by The Night Owl on Nov 12, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
I had to vote for Dunta
Not that I think he isn’t good but realative to what he has been in the past and we all know he can be. I think taking the entire training camp and preseason off hurt him alot!
You can't fix Dumb
Bennett
Got my vote on this one. And someone please tell me why the hell Smith has 8 votes – that’s more than Okam. Everyone should have known prio to the season that Smith WAS NOT a sack master (that sounds funny) in Arizona so it shouldn’t have been expected here. He’s really starting to do well in this defense and if you remember he didn’t come on strong until the end of the year for AZ last year.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
heh
If he continues to improve through the Super Bowl again this year, I’d be OK with that.
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First off let me say this i like dunta great player so for all u who say f—k him and he is garbage ya’ll are crazy i mean u really have to sit down and look at what he is during in these games, granted he dose not have any int but reason for that teams are not trying him they know better. we all know he cannot stop every play but big plays have not came on him at all this year so before we start saying he is the big Disappointing player yet on D come on really lets get serious. and why is not diles in this catorgory?
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Of course you like him!
There’s only two Cunta fans in this world. If you can’t like him, there’s no one else to like!
Re: Diles
That’s a fair question, and I did consider putting him on the list. Ultimately, I opted not to include him because, really, how much did you expect from him? To me, he’s been pretty much in line with expectations.
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You're absolutely right.
Punctuation is overrated. Dunta hasn’t given up a big play at all this year. Other than the big bomb to Ochocinco, the several pass interference plays, the complete whiff against the Jags (or against pretty much anyone else he’s tried to tackle).
Besides all those, Dunta hasn’t given up a single big play.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 13, 2009 5:52 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I voted Robinson
For a franchise tagged player trying to prove he’s worth a long term big money contract, he’s had a pretty dissapointing year so far. I don’t think his play is really all that bad, he still makes some big plays for us, but I don’t think he’s done much to show he’s worth being paid as an elite #1 CB. If Robinson was our #2 CB i’d be thrilled senseless because we’d have his big play abilitity without having to depend on him to contain elite recievers, but asking him to cover #1 recievers is becoming a bit of a trainwreck, simply because we don’t ask him to cover #1s anymore, we ask him + a safety/LB to cover a #1. That opens up the rest of the field for other recievers a bit more, luckilly his supporting cast has really stepped up lately, but he’s definately not worth elite CB money and I was hoping he’d prove himself worthy of the tag this year.
by Bryan72076 on Nov 12, 2009 3:52 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
To a great degree, Dunta is a victim of the expectations created when he asserted that he was worth elite CB money.
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100% agree...you can't write "Pay Me Rick" on the back of your shoes after turning down phat money....
And then go out and play average.
He HAS to start tackling better.
If he does that, I am ok with Dunta. Blown coverages against the best recievers in the league…going to happen. I expect that AJ is going to burn the opposition’s best corner at least once a game as well.
But the tackling thing really bothers me. WRAP UP THE RUNNER. Stop diving at them. Running backs/Recievers in this leage are too good to hope bouncing into them will take them down.
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by TexansForever on Nov 13, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
i understand where u coming from and all but really this game has always been a team game so him getting help from safeties is not his call probaly coaches. we all know if we play man dunta will hold his on it’s the other side we have to worry about when we go man. the whole franchise tag is such a big waste of time and stuff i mean teams franchise players so they don’t leave pretty much does not matter how good or bad they are.
Or maybe
The safety help comes his way because he can’t cover the guy in front of him.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 13, 2009 5:53 AM CST up reply actions
Barwin
Barwin just had the bone-headed penalties in the Indy game, but how much did you expect from him? Look around the league at the other DE’s drafted in the first two rounds:
3. Tyson Jackson – 12 tackles (in fairness, a little different of a case because of the 3-4)
11. Aaron Maybin – 5 tackles, 0 games started
13. Brian Orakpo – 17 tackles, 5.5 sacks (Defensive ROTY candidate)
18. Robert Ayers – 11 tackles, 0 games started (converted to LB)
32. Evander Hood – 1 tackle, 0 games started (3-4 DE)
43. Everette Brown – 8 tackles, 1 sack, 0 games started
46. Connor Barwin – 9 tackles, 1 sack, 0 games started
52. David Veikune – 0 tackles, 0 games started
57. Paul Kruger – 1 tackle, 0 games started
I’m not saying that Barwin will be great, but given the learning curve for defensive ends and D lineman at large, I think calling him the most dissapointing is premature.
You know... for kids.
Look at You
With data and everything. Well done.
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Not too mention that Barwin is playing defense for ONLY THE SECOND SEASON EVER.
The guy was a TE until his last year of college.
He has ALOT too learn. The fact that he is playing as well as he is is amazing given he is new to the position and facing the opposing teams best lineman.
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by TexansForever on Nov 13, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
i this was offense..
i vote for pissy pants.
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by chrisd21 on Nov 12, 2009 9:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Chris White?
The guy who literally pissed himself, or Chris Myers, who is literal about as valuable as pissed pants?
by nolander on Nov 13, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Must Be Tired
Wow, it is sad that it took me this long to realize that this was defense only…I kept looking for Slaton and/or Myers. Wow, I need some sleep. With this in mind, I vote Okam. Now to bed…
by Texans 'Til I Die on Nov 13, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
now like i said we could have drafted a running back who can hold on to the ball like lesean mccoy who has only funble once his year not taking anything away from barwin cuz i do hope i am wrong and i do like the kid but i need for him to pick it up a notch cuz until he proves himself they are going to keep double and triple team poor mario over there.
I suppose if you could look into the future
And see how bad Slaton’s fumbling problem would become, this would be a good idea.
Otherwise, no.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 13, 2009 5:55 AM CST up reply actions
Fred Bennett...
is the most disappointing player by far on defense. He got beat out by two rookies and now he doesn’t even dress out for games.
Dunta has been doing his job. What more can you ask of him? The only deep pass I remember him giving up all season was from Palmer to Ochocinco. I think the offseason contract issues still overshadow Dunta and people are too critical of his performance.
He doesn’t have any INT’s this season, which is kind of disappointing, but when you look at it, QB’s dont throw his way that often. Dunta’s coverage is the reason for that. Since the beginning of the season, what opposing team’s #1 WR, except for Fitzgerald’s 2 TD game, scored multiple TDs against us? Only 4 WR’s have scored TDs against us all year.
And...
with the addition of Pollard, our secondary looks in pretty good shape. Based on TDs given up, they “bend, but don’t break”.
finally someone agrees with me and sees what im saying they do not thorw to dunta side period so in my book he is doing his job.
They throw at him all the time.
What games are you watching ?
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the same ones u watching i think teams repsect his playmaking abilty and so the try and pick on glover quin or frenchy and they get away most of the time with that but not often. last game i think reggie only had what 8 catches but he did not score so he did ok job.
"...and they get away most of the time with that but not often."
Uh…..what?
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by TexansForever on Nov 13, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
4 PIs
4! Tied for 2nd in the league. Much less the other catches.
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I was just confused by the statement.....
" ….they get away most of the time with that but not often"
Well which is it? Do they get away with it most of the time? Or not often?
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by TexansForever on Nov 13, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
i think teams repsect his playmaking abilty
That’s laughable, he hasn’t been making plays this year, maybe one or two.
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Patrick Willis
Has been making the plays for Dunta.
That’s why teams dont throw the ball to him. Patrick Willis shares some of his aura with Dunta and QB’s recognize that.
by Jordann on Nov 13, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I voted for
Antonio Smith because he was supposed to be the “Mathis” to our “Freeny” but in my opinion he has been more “Anthony Weaver” than anything else.
I figured the overwhelming choice would be Dunta but I didn’t go with him because he is still recovering from a severe knee injury and a lot of people for get that it’s generally a player’s “second” season back that they are 100% I know for a fact that is the way it is with running backs.
I personally think that people are voting for Dunta more from their hearts than from their minds because he pissed everyone off with his stupid stunt in the first game of the year which was inexcusable and as such people are scrutinizing him much harder than they would have if he had not pissed everyone off. IMHO
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What?
Smith was supposed to play the run and take some of the pressure off Mario. It’s hard to tell how well he’s doing the latter since Super Mario is injured and not playing at 100%, but to say that he’s disappointing ignores the impact he’s having on the run game. He does get in the backfield and is really a force against the run. I admit he sucked the first three weeks, but so did everybody else. Since then, though, he has been playing lights out against the run and has been a force for us. Even if you don’t think he’s playing at his best, he’s definitely playing better than, say, Bennett or Okam or Dunta.
I want to see more formations like this:
DE – Barwin
DT – Okoye
DT – Smith
DE- Williams
I think there is money in that setup.
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by TexansForever on Nov 13, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Even if that unit were to make a play,
it would be taken away because Barwin doesn’t know how to line up onsides.
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We are...
That’s been our 3rd down passing situation front four almost all season with Barwin and Mario occasionally switching sides.
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Thats why I said I want to see "more" of those formations.
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by TexansForever on Nov 13, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
Antonio Smith >>>>>>>>>>> Anthony Weaver
I don’t get how people could come to any other possible conclusion. It just boggles the mind.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 13, 2009 5:56 AM CST up reply actions
Most folks only see the end results
Cushing got a safety. But most didn’t see that Smith forced the play right into Cushing.
One of Cushing’s interceptions (and I think Frenchy’s as well) was a direct result of Smith getting pressure on the QB.
But Smith doesn’t have 10 sacks yet. So he sucks. Balls.
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Antonio Smith
To be an upgrade over Weaver, the only requirement Smith had to meet was possessing an actual pulse.
Smith has been very solid, especially over the last 4-6 games.
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Agreed
On all points.
I just hope everyone could tell my last statement was sarcasm.
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And yet
Unless I’m mistaken, Smith has as many sacks in nine games as Weaver had in his entire career with the Texans.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 13, 2009 9:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was a Smith Basher early in the season.
But I don’t see how anyone can continue hatin’ on him, he has played much better than Weaver ever did.
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Actually...
I didn’t vote for Cunta because I saw him play last year, so I knew there was a very good chance that a big reason he was making an ass of himself in the offseason was because he knew he wasn’t worth the money he was asking for. He sucked ass last year when he came back, and improved a little this year to be “not very good.”
I can’t be disappointed by a player I already thought sucked.
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by beefy on Nov 13, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Gonna go with Mario.
Sort of tired of the injury and double-teamed excuses. Fact of the matter is, he’s still getting by on the same moves he had his rookie season. And as good as he plays the run sometimes, his constant speed-rush often puts him out of the play immediately.
I don’t know if it’s coaching or Mario himself, but it’s time he started going with an inside move every now and then. He’s the biggest, baddest DE in the league; not just a speed guy. Time to use that strength to manhandle offensive linemen instead of playing to their strengths. He’s not going to open up opportunities for Okoye and Smith to make plays if he can get pushed behind the pocket by a single OT every time.
He has the potential to be the best DE in the league, but he’s not going to get there unless he changes his approach.
I don't disagree with this
He’s basically using the same set of pass moves, which are little more than speed or bull. Not much technique this year. He is creating pressure, but he’s not finishing the job. His stats reflect this.
The last couple of years, he’s come on on strong in the second half. I hope he can this year, as well.
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He is obviously imited nby the shoulder inury.
Remember they have mentioned that he will probably have to have surgery in the offseason for his shoulder. That means it has got to really be killing him.
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by TexansForever on Nov 13, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Addition?
Ok, why is Matt Campbell not on that list?? Can he be?
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by beefy on Nov 13, 2009 9:10 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
Green'd
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by riversmccown on Nov 13, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Went with Mario
Even though he has been great against the run, I was just expecting more out of him this year at getting to the QB with the addition of Antonio Smith (and the departure of Anthony Weaver).
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Worst D player
I hung Bennett with the worst title, since he is just that and more. How can you not be bad for your team if your play or lack of it keeps you off the field in favor of backups?
I thought about D-Rob. but it would have been a tainted pick due to the off season crap. He is playing the same way I remembered over the past two seasons, missing tackles and getting burned more often than he should, but he is at least a good cb so clubs don’t pick on him as much as other cb’s on team. I also thought about Okam, and while he has been a bust for most part I do remember some good play out of his position during the season. The same can be said about Barwin as Okam and both have had TOO many penalties. I am looking forward to Nov. 23 game on monday, and expect us to win big; I checked the odds and if it is not a misprint I saw where we were being given 4 1/2 points against Titans. I know home field is supposed to be worth 3, but 4 1/2? I really believe the Texans are far better than they are being given credit.
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