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Now that our Texans have finally reached their Bye-Week, I'd like to get a general consensus on a subject that has been lingering in the back of my mind the past few weeks. I think we have all seen what our offensive and defensive shortcomings are, so what should Smithiak be aiming for in next year's upcoming Draft? We all know that they almost never draft on a needs basis, but by the "best player available" approach. But on the other hand, there are several fantastic draft prospects out there that could be the best player and fill a glaring need. So what is it? O=Line, D-Line, Secondary(Dunta Robinson's replacement?), or Skill Positions?

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An OLman can never hurt...

…but this team needs something dynamic in the secondary. Earl Thomas or Taylor Mays would be nice.

Heck, I’d even applaud the team if they traded up to get Eric Barry who can play the CB or S.

by TexansDC on Nov 12, 2009 6:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

rec'ed

Perfect.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 12, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

But with the way this draft is looking, and the holes we need to fill…..

I would have to say DT & S are interchangeably rounds 1 & 2 for us. The top-level talent depth for those 2 positions is sickening this year, especially considering how shitty it was last year.

For rounds 3 & up, the other positions that Kill listed….based on BPA at each point.

Also, since someone already brought it up……I am proposing to trade down in the 1st for an extra Round 1/2 pick.

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by Shake on Nov 13, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ya

from a best-for-the-team perspective, this seems good, although I’ll take your word for it, since I don’t know who the top DTs are other than Noh and Cody or safeties other than Mays and Berry, all of whom may well be gone by the time we even get to our first round pick.

But from a purely selfish perspective, I hope we take Kyle Wilson in the 2nd, because, hey, he’s a cornerback, and someday the Texans will have a good player from Boise State on their roster

by killtacular on Nov 15, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mays and Berry

make this a deep safety class.

Third best this year is best in class of years past.

I like S in the second. (unless Berry falls)

DT, or BPA in the first.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 20, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

Look at Kam Chancellor (FS) from Virginia Tech. Big kid with a nasty attitude.

by Jahon on Dec 8, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would hope our first pick would be the best available DB, and our next two picks the best available interior lineman on either side of the ball. After that, best player left on the board.

by nolander on Nov 12, 2009 6:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I doubt we draft a safety with a high pick, unless Eric Berry falls to us. Now that we have two decent safeties, there’s no way Smithiak will draft one in the early rounds when they didn’t even do that when our safeties were terrible.

That said,I wouldn’t mind that as long as we get a beastly DT or Cornerback with our first pick.

by SATexan on Nov 12, 2009 7:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Kubiak

appears to let his position coaches point them in the right direction.

And Bush wanted Cushing.

So Bush may point to a safety next draft. I don’t think history tells us the probability they won’t, in this case.

Bush also probably has Kubiak’s ear more this time around, with his picks last draft.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 20, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I emphatically agree that if the Texans have the chance, grab Eric Berry/Earl Thomas/Taylor Mays. But with the majority of teams desperate for Ball-Hawks, i doubt they’ll still be on the board. honestly think that we should lock up a long-term answer at Center, Chris is getting better as the season goes on, but come on… he gets owned by “True” Nose Tackles. We should get Chris Hall or Kevin Matthews from Texas and Texas A&M, respectively. Maybe even 5-star prospect John Estes from Hawaii.

by Cougsfan on Nov 12, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

C

We still haven’t seen if Caldwell might be that answer. Also, despite what Kris Jenkins did to Myers, the fact remains that C is a fairly fungible and slightly overrated position in terms of importance. Sure, a great one can make a difference, but that’s a position where I would wager 95% of them are within one standard deviation of average.

All that said, I want to address it if Caldwell isn’t the guy. I just don’t want to address it on the first day (or, really, even in the draft). I’d prefer free agency.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Nov 15, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

I would love to see Caldwell step up for center, but in most of the reviews af him before the draft he was an outstanding guard but average center. The texans still need a solid swing guard, so let him be it. And in answer to Free Agency Centers, they’re going to demand a lot of money for 4 years, why not get a 5-star 1st rounder we can most likely keep on the roster for 10?

by Cougsfan on Nov 17, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bernard Pollard's brother

just got released by the Browns.

He’s 6-3, 280lb center.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 20, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rounds 1 and 2: Interior Linemen, on both sides of the ball.

Round 3: Then the best cornerback or safety available

Round 4: …then, dang! It would be nice to get a hoss RB, but probably not going to find that guy after the 2nd round….what to do….another interior lineman, defense or offense, doesn’t matter. The Texans need someone they can develop, so this guy doesn’t need to start this season

Round 5: RB, anyone that might have a history of holding onto the ball and few injuries in his career

Round 6: another defensive back, someone who knows how to play the ball

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Nov 12, 2009 10:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gonna be unconventional and say...

Rounds 1 and 2: interior lineman and weakside linebacker. The first is obvious, the second, maybe not so much. But above all positions, this team has had success with linebackers. And while Zach Diles is decent, he’s probably out of position there. He should be on the roster to fill in for DeMeco or Cushing in case of injury. Get a WLB with some speed and you just give Frank Bush that much more to work with. This defense is built around linebackers.

Rounds 3-4: RB and DB depth (preferably a safety; I think Reeves, Quin, Molden, and Bennett are serviceable at CB).

After that, crap-shoot. I’d take tight-ends from rounds 5-7. Well, not really. Probably more interior-line depth, actually.

Things that this obviously hinges on:

1) Resigning DeMeco, Pollard, and OD.
2) Either Bennett or Molden stepping it up

If there’s cash left after Dunta and Pitts leave, I’d still love to see them try for a free-agent OG. But those are pricey… We’ll see. As for DTs; I say fuck it. We fail miserably on D-linemen (Mario doesn’t count; we haven’t really developed him since college).

by Nashmeister on Nov 13, 2009 4:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

So you have given up on Adibi ?

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by CFHTim on Nov 13, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

More or less.

I’m not opposed to having him on the roster for depth, but I don’t really envision him as a big-time play-maker. Just a guy who can go in there and not blow his assignments (which, unfortunately, is something he didn’t exactly do when he was competing for a job during the preseason).

by Nashmeister on Nov 14, 2009 3:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just glad

someone else has noticed that WLB has been fucking abysmal this year.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Nov 15, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

you said Diles was decent. I glossed over that because I was so happy someone else was pointing at WLB. Diles has been horrid. If I had a dollar for every time he froze like he had no clue where he was supposed to be, I would be able to quit my job and blog fulltime about how shitty he’s been.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Nov 15, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what are you talking about? Diles has been excellent in run defense and he comes off the field in nickel packages so I really am having a hard time faulting him.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Nov 16, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But see,

If he wasn’t so horrible, we wouldn’t have put our nickel package in. Unless it’s an obvious mismatch then I would understand. But WLB’s are supposed to be able to have the smarts and speed to cover.

by Jordann on Nov 16, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol what? You put the nickel in because the offense is in passing situations and a DB is going to be needed to cover extra receiving threats. It doesnt matter who the linebackers are, a DB is better for coverage. We only have 2 LBs on the field for nickel, so is your complaint that the 7th round draft pick Diles is not as talented as the 1st and 2nd round picks in Cushing and Ryans?

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Nov 16, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You left out

Al Davis, would trade up to get the 2nd best WR in the 1st round and give away the 2nd and 3rd round draft picks.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Nov 14, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya but that oes with out saying....it's built in to the scenario!

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by TexansForever on Nov 15, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Diles is excellent I dont see LB has a need. Also I dont know why people are so hung up on safety, Wilson and Pollard have been excellent and both are hard hitters. I think our needs are DT, C/G, and RB. I would gauge how Slaton performs in the rest of the season to see where I would want to grab a RB. If he under performs, I would grab a RB in the second round, a DT in the first(I know it sucks to draft a high DT AGAIN), and a offensive linemen in the 3rd round. After that I would go completely best player available. I believe we already have Dunta’s replacement in Quin.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Nov 13, 2009 9:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Dunta's replacement.

But I think they need to draft another corner in the late rounds to develop, and hopefully Mcain will be ready to see the field more. And eventually the Texans have to decide what they have in Molden.

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by CFHTim on Nov 13, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Molden has been such a disappointment, its sad. He gets hurt way too much.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Nov 13, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would like some depth at safety and a potential big time playmaker at fs. In reality I think GQ can be the guy to provide that, and would rather see us get a CB in the first round. I think we have potential depth in our secondary, but not shutdown type guys who I feel comfortable with against number one type recievers.

by nolander on Nov 13, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Diles is excellent?

WTF? He was below average at SLB (though the tackle numbers hid it) and he’s been awful at WLB this year.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Nov 15, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

like I said above, what has he been awful at? He only plays 2 downs most of the time and has gotten in the backfield several times in run defense. Hes doing his job.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Nov 16, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Several times in run defense"

Maybe your calculus differs from mine, but 3 tackles for loss in the running game is not “several times.” And his last tackle for loss? Oakland.

Look, I know tackle numbers aren’t dispositive, but the guy has 19 solo tackles and one pass defensed. At weakside linebacker. In a defense that is giving up 4.7/carry. His game high in solo tackles this year? 4. His game high in assisted tackles? 3. Number of games where he’s had 2 or fewer solo tackles? 8. His 19 solo tackles tie him for 100th among NFL linebackers, putting him in the company of pass rush guys like Jason Taylor (5.5 sacks to Zac’s 0) and part-time LBs.

Fact is, his first two tackles of the season against the Jets were for a loss, then he made a nice play on Chris Johnson in the open field on a swing pass in Nashville. Oh, and he recovered the fumble that Dunta forced against Jax. That’s not an “excellent” player by any stretch.

He’s been adequate (at best) in the run defense, not coincidentally because he has four guys (DeMeco, Cushing, Mario, and Pollard) who have been very, very good in run defense around him. Damn near every time he’s had to work in space, be it an open field tackle or (god forbid) pass coverage, he’s looked lost.

I’m trying to figure out how anyone can watch the games and say Diles has even been “good” at WLB, let alone better than that. My guess is because of the couple aforementioned plays and the fact that the whole run defense is better, people assume he’s an integral part of the improvement rather than one of the weak links.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Nov 16, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Name one 4-3 defense that has top caliber talent at all 3 linebacker positions. Diles provides good(not great) production at excellent financial value. Or do you expect to be able to afford Pro Bowlers at every position? Diles lead the team in tackles last year before getting hurt, which you dismiss because he was on the strong side, now he moves to the weak side and you are bitching about lower tackle numbers? the fuck? Like most teams, he is the 3rd best linebacker so he comes out for passing packages, leaving him as a 2 down player on the weak side getting less chances of getting run at. All Diles has to do is complete his assignments and seal up the backside, which he has done for us. Just because Cushing is racking up tackles does not mean Diles sucks, do you honestly expect a 100 tackle season out of all three of your linebackers? Its not like there are 5 ballcarriers per play, you got 1 guy to tackle, you have a couple defensive playmakers and the rest of the guys are support players that just need to do their jobs. Diles is doing his job and filling his assignment so Ryans can go make players, thats all we need him to do. Sometimes I think some of you are expecting top 5 performances from every position on the field otherwise you start screaming that they need to be fired, thats not realistic nor affordable on any team.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Nov 16, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Diles does not seal the backside. If he did, you would certainly see more than two tackles for a loss in the run game. Conclusory statements like that are obnoxious in these arguments because most people will just take it at face value since they don’t look for such things during the game. To the extent the backside has been sealed, it has been Mario or Smith doing it.

Nor does he fill his assignments. For evidence, look at the NFL.com gamebooks for the Texans games, specifically at the first and second-down runs. There are 60 to the left and 66 to the right. That is a fairly good shorthand (though not perfect, since it doesn’t correlate exactly with weak v. strong). The overwhelming majority — better than 80% by my guess — of the tackles on those plays are made either by Cushing or by Pollard and/or another DB (usually Quin). That says, to me at least, that our SLB is generally getting there when the play comes his way, but our WLB is not.

Note, I’m not discrediting Diles for his tackles last year and then bitching about a lack of tackles this year as if they are two sides of the same coin. It’s two completely different arguments. I discredit Diles’ play last year because, as a Sam, his tackle numbers were going to be good regardless of his overall play, which was not. But people gave him a pass and assumed he was playing well b/c of those #s. (For comparison, I think Cushing is playing great in run defense, though I don’t think his tackle numbers vis-a-vis leading the team are entirely accurate. So, it’s possible to play well at Sam and have a lot of tackles and it’s possible to play poorly at Sam and still get an inordinately high number.)

My point in mentioning the lack of tackles as a WLB is not to compare him to Cushing, but to demonstrate that he’s not producing and, now that he’s not at a position that hides his lack of productivity with tackles, he’s not doing ANYTHING to warrant people thinking he’s playing well. He’s worthless when teams throw on second down, which they are doing with increasing frequency (again, check the Gamebooks), generally going at him. He takes horrible angles, which is the type of thing that doesn’t show up in the stats other than to keep him from showing up in the stats. Etc. Point being, the only thing you’ve got to hang your “he’s playing well” or even “he’s good enough” argument on is… um… his cost? The fact that the other two are very good? It’s certainly not for his actual contributions in the run defense or the pass defense.

Your argument about “top caliber talent at all 3 linebacker positions” is obviously a strawman. The argument isn’t “top caliber” or “whatever Diles gives” as the only two choices. Nor is the argument whether Diles is top caliber or not, since we both agree he’s not. But, to the actual point, I can name a number of 4-3 teams who have average or better talent at all three LB spots.
Detroit: Peterson, Foote, Sims
Cinci: Maualuga, D. Jones, Rivers
Jax: Durant, Ingram, D. Smith
Oakland: Brown, Morrison, Howard

I would take the third-best of any of those trios over Diles in a heartbeat.

And I’m not expecting “top 5” performances, either. I am expecting no one on the field to be a liability (i.e. Faggins and, to a lesser-but-still-real extent, Diles).

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Nov 18, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

Cushing’s been great in run defense. I’ll fully admit that.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Nov 16, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant

his tackle numbers and his “safety” and “interceptions” hide the fact that his coverage skills are below average.

by Jordann on Nov 16, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You fail to give the other guy any credit, any LB in the league is going to struggle to cover a Dallas Clark or a Vernon Davis.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Nov 16, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Except

He has also struggled to cover pretty much everyone we’ve asked him to. The INT against Cinci was a nice catch, but he wasn’t covering. Bush ran our alternate nickel package, from which we almost always have Cushing blitz, and then dropped Cushing into a zone knowing that Palmer would be looking to hit the slot WR behind the blitz. Great catch, not great coverage. The second INT was an athletic play that had nothing to do with coverage. His INTs prove nothing of his coverage skills; his lack of ability to cover anyone does. QED.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Nov 18, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

QED am I in math class?

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Nov 18, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Laron Landry

With Washington being the hellhole it is now and new coach and (hopefully) new gm they will probably be selling of pieces and I would love them to trade for Landry, who is in desperate need of real coaching

by Draco on Nov 13, 2009 9:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

interesting

I loved the kid when he was in school.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 13, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

?

Didn’t we mock draft him, or at least try to, around these parts?

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by Shake on Nov 13, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We Wanted To

But he kept going before we could pick. If I recall correctly, Landry was one of the two guys we really wanted back in ’07.

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by Tim on Nov 14, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, HELL yeah.

I’m Matt Campbell, and I approve of this message.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Nov 15, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love a safety that can play the pass and the run.

But we don’t really put too much stock on our safeties. Im guessing we draft another safety on the later rounds, do with what we have now while grooming the pick.
I hope we go OL first. We already have two cornerstones in our line with Winston and Brown. Adding a guard or a center would solidify our line for years to come. Oh, and another LB would be nice. I still haven’t given up on Adibi but it looking like the coaches have.

by Jordann on Nov 13, 2009 9:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

dont really care who we get early on

but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE i hope to GOD that we sign Damian Williams! He is amazing and would be an explosive compliment to Dre. I guess if I had to pick, our first rounder would be spent on.. ta da.. another D linemam or Corner. I kinda trust our backers, but we STILL need a compliment to Mario

by cowhandcal on Nov 13, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

" we STILL need a compliment to Mario"

You mean like Barwin after he has had a year to develop? Smith has been doing a pretty darn good job too.

by nolander on Nov 13, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: DE

Smith has been good in the run game; Barwin has shown signs of becoming a decent third-down speed rusher. Unless we are snagging someone like Carlos Dunlap or (typing this mainly to piss beefy off) Sergio Kindle, this is probably the first year that DE doesn’t need to be on our draft board.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Nov 15, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Smith doesnt get enough credit, and alot of people forget that he moves inside ALOT in pass rushing packages which can limit his sack potential personally, but helps the overall scheme of the defense.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Nov 16, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me just say

Apparently the Texans have sucked for toooooo long and we have been trained to start worrying about the draft way too early. I don’t care about the draft while we are in the play off hunt. Eye on the ball guys.

You can't fix Dumb

by Texans-Brocos on Nov 15, 2009 8:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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