Is Bill Cowher's Interest In Houston Legit?
In a recent story by Jason La Canfora via NFL.com, he cites that sources have said that Cowher told the Buffalo Bills front office that he had no interest in joining a coaching staff until the end of the year. He also has several choices of where he wants to go in front of him. The most obvious being Carolina, since that is where he is from. It has been rumored since he left Pittsburgh that he was just waiting for John Fox's time to end with the Panthers.
But in this story, La Canfora stated this the Texans are one of the franchises that would "excite" Cowher. The others being, of course, Carolina and also Chicago. Fox has one more year on his deal in Carolina and Jay Cutler is warming up Lovie Smith's seat faster than he is throwing interceptions so far this year. Carolina has played better after a slow start, but team owner Jerry Richardson would not be met with serious shock if he chose to let Fox go.
But the question is if Bill Cowher has a legitimate interest in coaching Houston. Many believe that he is just going to use us as leverage to get what he wants from Carolina. Same with Chicago. But, this is all just idle speculation, really. All three of the mentioned teams still have a current head coach that we have no idea if they will be there next year or not. If all three of these teams finish strong until the end of the year, it wouldn't surprise me if all of them get to stay.
I haven't been on the "Fire Kubiak!" bandwagon many around the city have. But after last Monday's debacle, if Bill Cowher wants to come here...I will pack Gary's bags for him.
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Hell yea!!!
I am on the “fire kubiak” bandwagon!! Bring Bill in! Kubiak jus isn’t cuttin for us. He’s jus not agressive enough to lead us to where we want to be. Bill can take us deep into the playoffs and possibly to a superbowl! Sorry kubiak but it is time we part way! I look forward to seeing bill next year!
by Texan_4_life on Nov 27, 2009 4:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
If Kubiak isn't the coach...
…the only acceptable replacements are Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher. We’re ready to win now, we don’t need a rookie coach to potentially set us back.
by TexansDC on Nov 27, 2009 5:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Like Mike Smith and Harbaugh set the Falcons and Ravens back? :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 28, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher
Would sure make the next draft interesting for us to watch as fans. I have to wonder about what he would do to our offense. Surely he would draft or sign some bigger O linemen, and possibly a “big back” thats worth a damn.
by AFTexan on Nov 27, 2009 5:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think there is enough uncertainty with Cowher to make me question if it's worth it
For one thing, Kubiak was brought in to revamp the offense. The offense has held up it’s part of the bargain, no?
Year/DVOA/Rank
2005: -17.0%, 27th (pre-Kubes, for reference)
2006: -5.5%, 21st (even with Carr)
2007: 2.0%, 15th (even though Andre Johnson was hurt part of the year)
2008: 11.0%, 14th
2009: 16.6%, 9th (despite the running game and middle o-line completely falling apart)
If there was some way to keep Kubiak as offensive coordinator, I would love to get a new head coach…but even despite his foibles with challenges and questionable clock management at times, I don’t think there are too many offensive minds in the game that could top what Kubiak gives us. And as his background is rooted in the offense, I find it hard to say that he hasn’t done his job well. He could use a clock manager and some skill with challenges, but what coach in the NFL couldn’t outside of perhaps Belicheck?
Meanwhile, if you bring in Cowher, you are doing two things:
-The majority of Cowher’s offensive career, he’s ran with big running games. I’m not saying that he couldn’t adjust to our personnel, but he’d be looking to change the system a bit. Given the impressive results so far, this would probably be, at best, a lateral move.
-Cowher is a 3-4 coach, which means we have to switch schemes…AGAIN. Lots of questions come with this given our personnel. Can Okoye be a 3-4 DE? Where is the NT on the roster? Can Barwin make it as a 3-4 OLB?
Which isn’t to say I’m going to be disappointed if we bring in Cowher, he’s got an excellent track record. I just don’t know if bringing him in improves us in the short-term given how he’s going to want to leave his mark on the team.
Meanwhile, on the defensive front…
Year/DVOA/Rank
2005: 19.9% (32nd)
2006: 14.0% (31st)
2007: 14.2% (30th)
2008: 17.9% (29th)
2009: 10.4% (25th)
Is this somewhat of an unfair ranking? Maybe. Bush has dealt with Mario Williams falling off a lot this year (is this all the injury, or is this also Bush’s scheme not fully utilizing his best skills?) Bush also has watched the run defense improve dramatically since the first three games of the season. On the other hand, the pass rush that he was brought in to improve has completely stagnated, his schemes the first few weeks were disastrous (and yes, those games still count), and how much of the defenses improvement can be attributed simply to Brian Cushing being a force of nature?
In one of the recent threads someone posited that Sean Payton was a better coach than Kubiak and that the Texans should’ve hired him. My opinion is that the difference between them isn’t very wide. The Saints spent a few years being a .500 team with a bad defense and a good offense, and other than the talent gulf between Brees and Schaub, there probably isn’t much of a difference between the two offenses. The Saints suddenly became great this year when they hired Gregg Williams and he took the defense from 26th in DVOA to 7th. That is the next step for the Texans improving, in my mind. Getting rid of the Richard Smith tree and bringing in an established defensive mind who knows how to create a great one. Kubiak hasn’t been the savior, but he’s done his part of the bargain, now it’s time for the Texans to turn their defense around too.
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by riversmccown on Nov 27, 2009 5:45 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
One more difference between us and New Orleans:
They can run the ball. That’s why we’re losing games, plain and simple. I think it’s on Kubiak to get us back to running the ball consistently, but I’m not sure how he’s going to do it with Studdard, Chris White, and Chris Myers starting.
But otherwise, I agree completely. I think that Kubiak (barring last Monday… ugh) generally gets more out of his offense than we have invested talent and money-wise. That frees up money to spend on the defense, which is slowly coming together under a D-coordinator who isn’t absolutely atrocious like Richard Smith was.
Meanwhile, Cowher won with a beastly offensive line, a power-running game, and a 3-4 defense behind one of the best defensive coordinators in recent history. Other than a couple of great linebackers, I don’t really see how we’d become a Bill Cowher football team. We’d be sacrificing at least one year while he tries to get his players assembled, and most likely more.
The players respect Kubiak and they always play hard for him (even if they don’t always play well). I understand the frustration, but in my opinion we’re a marginally talented team (that aught to be improving as they mature) with a mediocre coach who is also improving as he gets more experience.
I say give him another year.
by Nashmeister on Nov 27, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're not losing games because we can't run the ball
We’re losing games because our defense is still piss-poor, especially against the pass. That, and we are amazingly prone to stupid errors. The idea that a team has to establish the run to win is a myth.
I sense that a lot of us seem to think that if only we could hire a known coach like Cowher, we could snap our fingers and suddenly the Texans would crush all of their opponents, finish 12-4, and go deep in the playoffs. Unlikely.
There’s a lot frustrating about Kubes, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, but he’s still done a lot right, and for my money he deserves another year, although I reserve the right to change my opinion on that after the season is over.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 28, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness
He’s partially right. We have lost chances in at least two games because our power running game sucks out loud. You are also partially right. We’ve lost because our defense is not very good.
The Texans losses this year have been such a clusterfuck of terrible luck, bad timing, and mismanagement, that a slight improvement in either area might have had us looking at 7-3 or so. Alas, we remain on the cusp.
I agree with you wholeheartedly on the pixie dust…I bet if someone went over and asked the Steelers fans how they feel about their old coach, they’d admit that he’s not King Shit of Fuck Mountain either. He’s a very good coach, but he isn’t suddenly going to wipe away the flaws on this team just by rubbing his moustache on them.
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by riversmccown on Nov 28, 2009 3:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We gave up 20 points in each of the last two games.
You can’t expect to hold Indy to much lower than that, and Tennessee is 30th in the league in PPG allowed. That’s a game we should have won on the offensive side of the ball, and we only put up 17 points.
We’re 13th in the league in points scored, and 16th in points allowed. Not a big difference there. We’re tied for 9th in the league in take-aways, but we’re 18th in turning the ball over.
Considering we were all worried about the defense in the off-season, I’d say they’ve held up their end of the bargain. Outside of the Jacksonville debacle, I don’t think they’re responsible for a single loss this season (although the offense bailed them out the first time against Tennessee).
by Nashmeister on Nov 28, 2009 3:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're losing games because this team has no heart.
When it’s time to dig down deep inside yourself and pull out a fistfull of “WIN”, all the Texans have is two hands full of FAIL.
There is WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY to much talent on this team for TWO GUYS to own you.
Bring on Cowher.
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The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 28, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 guys and an entire offensive line. Technically WRs block on run plays too. TEs too.
by nolander on Nov 28, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RM, very nice
Please allow me to comment. You mention track record. Cowher; he almost doesn’t know what it’s like not to make the playoffs. Kubiak hasn’t even sniffed the playoffs and with what many thought was a playoff caliber team, this year has now turned questionable.
True, Cowher rode on Labeau’s prowess as a 3-4 defensive coordinator. We don’t know who Cowher would bring with him. Is it unfathomable that this Texans team could make a succesful transition to the 3-4 in a short period? They have some talented core defensive players.
I think the possibility of Cowher coming here is a strong possibility. I think four years to get to the playoffs is plenty of time. This year was the year and no it is gravely in doubt. McNair has to be thinking about a change. He is an experienced owner now and the personnel is at an all-time high. His expectations deserve to be high. They can’t be met at this point. This is a business where success is measured by W’s.
I have read anyone comments regarding their reservations about Cowher. I can’t see anything about him that translate to now getting W’s. Kubiak; not so much.
If I could make the decision, I would be talking to Cowher now.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Nov 27, 2009 10:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that a lot of our talented defenders would be out of place in a 3-r. I suppose we could trade some players away for picks.
by nolander on Nov 27, 2009 10:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Switching shouldn't be too much of a concern...
…Green Bay did it and is doing pretty well on defense. They picked up some FAs, drafted a NT, and shifted some talent around.
Wouldn’t be so hard for the Texans to pick up some FAs, shift some talent around (Mario to OLB?), and trade up to get Terrence Cody or Suh (hmm, trade their 1st, Dunta, and something else?).
AND that’s assuming Cowher comes in and changes systems around. In Pittsburgh, it was established that you ran and blitzed outta the 3-4. If he came to Houston, I’m sure he’d play to the team’s strengths.
The key thing with Cowher is I believe he’d prepare the team better, manage the game better, and coach these guys so all these stupid mistakes would vanish (penalties, inconsistent play). The guy is a proven winner, and IF Kubes is fired then it should only be to bring in an experience coach. The keyword is IF. You don’t fire Kubes to bring in a rookie coach. Frankly, the team is close. We just need some OL depth and defensive back talent (Start by trading Dunta for a draft pick or a pack of gum).
by TexansDC on Nov 28, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Free tip:
Trading up to get someone when you have many holes is a fools errand.
Additionally, Dunta Robinson is most valuable to other teams being on the Texans. If Rick Smith called up any GM asking for anything for Dunta, the man responsible for the Texans being the worst in the league on passes to #1 wide receivers while thinking he is worth elite cornerback money, the only appropriate response would be “How much are you going to PAY ME RICK?”
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by riversmccown on Nov 28, 2009 3:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wish I could figure out how torec from my mobile
But, this is nuts-on with how I see the Dunta situation. He is a liability at this point. Almost, untradeable. To trade him, you would have to find a GM or owner gullible enough to believe what Dunta says he’s worth. The only other scenario is if Dunta wants to be traded and he comes around to agreeing to a lesser contract value in a sign-and-trade situation, where the Texans at least get some value for him, most likely another player in a similar situation on another team or a low draft pick. And, that only happens if Dunta doesn’t like his situation in Houston and asks for a trade or agrees to it. That would be a turnaround of fates.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2009 8:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I keep hearing Green Bay, and honestly thats not necessarily that easy. To start with, they had a great secondary already set up, so they could afford to focus on the front 7. Do you really think Mario and Meco will be as good in a 3-4? Okoye? Cushing?
by nolander on Nov 28, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This whole Cowher 2010 campaign is pissing me off.
It’s just sad really.
by Jordann on Nov 27, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its sad because it started in week 3. We STILL are in the race. I’ve seen so many commentators who I have never seen say a word before all of a sudden come out of the cracks to cry about how our season is over and how we should go get Cowher. It pisses me off more then makes me sad now that I think of it.
by nolander on Nov 28, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah now that you mention it,
Its starting to piss me off also. Maybe these people are from Cowher’s camp, trying to start a campaign for him so he can use us as leverage to get a better deal somewhere else.
by Jordann on Nov 28, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see a 3-4 defense here in Houston
We would just need a FS & a big NT from the draft or free agency. Barwin probably could be a OLB in a 3-4. If I’m not mistaken, he played some 3-4 OLB at Cincy. Mario would be dangerous as a 3-4 OLB. Cushing & Ryans would be awesome MLB combo. Smith & Okoye could work as 3-4 DEs if we got a big NT. As long as we shore up the secondary, it could work. I would like it if we could keep Kubiak as OC, but I would just wonder if he would like being demoted, & who Cowher would want to bring in as DC. On offense, we are solid at WR, TE, LT, &, RT, but the interior line needs work. Find upgrades for them, find a big HB to spell Slaton other than Chris Brown, & find a kicker more dependable than Kris Brown.
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 27, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont forget about Chester Pitts...
With Chester Pitts we are solid on the left side of the line, but with him out we have struggled on the interior of the line.
I think Mario at OLB in a 3-4 is a very interesting thought. He might have to lose some weight, but he has the speed and he’s a good enough tackler. It might also help him stay healthy because like it or not, he has become very injury prone even though he has played through it. Also, playing OLB in a 3-4 will allow him to still put a hand down and rush the passer every know and then. But all of this is speculation because I doubt he would be moved there even if Cowher does come in.
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by TexasHoosier on Nov 27, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mario turning into an OLB
Would negate his strengths. It would be a waste of talent.
by Jordann on Nov 28, 2009 1:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
see Aaron Kampman
top 3 or 4 DE became an absolute non-factor this year.
Looking forward to not having an 8-8 year!
by BattleRedHusker on Nov 28, 2009 5:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very workable plan, TNO
I suspect you will get a lot of friction over your suggestions, but I am buying it. Totally workable, IMO. The players you mention transitioning are all true athletes and the jump to a 3-4 should come fairly easy to them. They may even excel beyond expectations!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2009 8:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Phenomenal Comment, Rivers
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Nov 28, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher would be a disaster
As others have said, Cowher football teams are built behind power running games and smothering 3-4 defenses. That is absolutely not the Texans – even if we could revamp the defense in the offseason, which I really doubt, we don’t have the offensive players, especially on the o-line, to play the kind of football Cowher would want to play. The guy is a great coach, but hiring him isn’t going to sprinkle some magic pixie dust on the Texans that will get us to the AFC championship in one season or something. We’d have to commit to at least one, and likely two or three more seasons of rebuilding.
Barring a total meltdown, Kubiak deserves our support for at least another season. Yes, it is painful to lose to the BESFs and Colts on last-minute missed field goals, but this overreaction and “FIRE KUBIAK RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE” nonsense is just wrong.
by cubic on Nov 28, 2009 12:40 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying Fire Kubiak just yet
but the thought is a bit interesting
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 28, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting, but unproductive
If we are going to entertain ridiculous fantasies, let’s imagine a world where people actually get called for holding Mario.
by cubic on Nov 28, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do not want
Kubiak has raised us from jokes to “where everyone but the top4 teams are” level. Give him another two years or so before this even comes up.’
Also, what rivers said, much more eloquently.
by killtacular on Nov 28, 2009 1:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
But here's the thing
We had a firm grip on 2nd place in our division. Then, Jacksonville snuck up on us. Now, we’re third, and Tennessee is coming up behind us. If we end up in last place in the division, that would be a disaster.
Also, I recently read that Kubiak is something like 5-14 in the division. That record is shameful. What it says is that we don’t win important games.
I think Kubiak is a smart guy, and has definitely elevated the status of this franchise. But, what do we do to fix the intangibles that need to be fixed? Why, for example, can’t we at least CONSIDER bringing in a few kickers for try outs?
by footballfan412 on Nov 28, 2009 2:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sneaking up on us:
Houston wins 4 out of 5 against the Raiders, Cardinals, Bengals, Bills, and 49ers.
Houston plays 2 games against the hot BESF’s and undefeated Colts, and both games are extremely close.
Jacksonville wins 3 games against the reeling Jets, the Chiefs, and the Bills by a combined total of 9 points. That isn’t “sneaking up” on anyone. That’s beating the easy teams on your schedule unconvincingly.
Kubiak is like 5-14 against the division:
-The Colts are 47-11 during the 3 1/2 years Kubes has been at the helm.
-The BESFs are 35-23 during this stretch.
-The Jaguars, our weak link, are 30-28.
Wow, Kubiak has failed to be incredibly successful against three pretty great teams. I’m convinced, lets lynch him. Clearly he should be fucking the Colts sideways with Petey Faggins and Morlon Greenwood.
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by riversmccown on Nov 28, 2009 3:04 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The coach is the intangible that this team is lacking
It is Kubiak’s decision-making that continually puts this team into the close-game position in the 4th quarter, invariabbly coming up with the short end of the stick. Three division home games; three losses, says it all.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2009 8:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
5-14 Divison
What it says is we play in a damn nasty division. Colts Titans and Jags have been regular playoff contenders almost the entire time Kubes has been here.
by nolander on Nov 28, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And?
Ok, it’s a nasty division. So what?
And, this year things seemed to have evened out a bit, with the Jags and Titans struggling early. We could have capitalized on that, but didn’t.
Yes, our division is tough. But at some point, we have to get past that and start winning some damn games.
by footballfan412 on Nov 28, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
We beat the Titans when they were struggling.
We are 5-5. To call for the coach to be fired before being eliminated from the playoffs is stupid.
by nolander on Nov 28, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To further illustrate your point
2006: Texans are 3-3 in division despite winning just 6 games.
2007: Texans go 1-5 against division, mainly because all 3 other teams in the division make it to the playoffs.
2008: Texans go 2-4 against division that includes the two best teams, by record, in the AFC. They also beat one of them.
2009: Texans so far are 1-3, but they are likely to reach 2-4 again and I wouldn’t be incredibly surprised by 3-3 either. Against an undefeated team, another AFC wild card contender, and the BESF’s who suddenly seem like they’re gunning for over .500 too.
I’m not saying that it’s not frustrating that the Texans haven’t been able to pull out some of the close games, but you have to make them close games before you can win them. If the Texans flipped with the Cardinals and spent their last three years playing twice a year with the 49ers, Rams, and Seahawks, what would their divisional record be, 16-5? It’s all about the quality of teams you play.
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by riversmccown on Nov 28, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya
shit happens. In as random a game and as injury-influenced as the NFL is, this is life. Coming in with a 2-14 team, I don’t care that he is 5-14 against the division (well, I care, because it sucks, but it isn’t an indictment of Kubiak). If in the next 20 games in our division we win a quarter of them, then I’ll be down with the “fire Kubiak” thing, although he’d probably be gone at that point. What the record shows is that the AFC South is very, very tough and Kubiak started with a very, very shitty team.
That said, and while I don’t think you get rid of a guy with a long track record because of a two game disaster-series, I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing in kickers for tryouts, and would be pissed if we don’t bring someone in to challenge Brown next summer.
by killtacular on Nov 29, 2009 2:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gruden vs. Cowher
I’d prefer Jon Gruden, but in any case, we may need a coaching change, albeit an experienced one, if the the Texans don’t make the playoffs this year…
by SkycatF14 on Nov 28, 2009 1:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I will lobby strongly against Gruden
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2009 8:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Look I know that Kubiak has done a good job bringing us up from the bottom. But there have been tremendous mistakes made ie. giving Carr the extension, Antonio Smith, Meyers as our center and the list goes on. Also if you think back to what our problems were when he took over they were our “O” line, our defensive line, quarterback play and a consistent running game. Granted our quarterback play is better but that is really about it. He is showing that he plays not to lose games instead of to win games. Everybody is on Kris Brown for missing field goals but really that game should have never been that close. Our game plan played to Vince Youngs stregnths. We should have put 8 in the box and shutdown the run and contained V.Y. daring him to read the defense quickly and accuratly which he has shown is not his stregnth let him beat us with his arm not his legs, V.Y seems to befuddle Kubiak and his assistant coaches. The last time when V.Y beat us Kubiak had called a zero blitz which left the middle open and sure enough V.Y figured this out and galloped for 40 yards and the win this time we were leaving the edges open instead of the middle, most troubling was there was no adjust ment to stop this. Concerning the running game he has shown that he is too hard headed to even consider that the zone blocking sceme run 100% of the time is just not the answer. Bottom line in todays enviroment 4 years is enough to turn a team around it is time for Kubiak to go.
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 8:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
While
I agree that Brown should have never been put in those situations, the fact still remains that he needs to do his job when he is in those situations. He gets paid to do one thing and thats it. It’s not like we are asking him to do what Schaub or Ryans does. He is a player on the team just like everyone else.
by DR. DOOM on Nov 28, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
For Kubiak to not get another year we'd have to win less than 5 games.
No way McNair doesn’t give him another year. Also – Gruden would run every good player we have out of town. That’s how he ruined the Bucs.
by WhiskeyR on Nov 28, 2009 10:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
If they finish 8-8 again, that will be enough to push him out the door, & from the looks of it, that’s where we’re headed.
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 29, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is amazing
Ok so lets hypothetically speaking kubiak is fired and Cowher is intervied…. then he lets us down and signs with another team everyone knows its possible and its amazing no one has brought it up. Then what do we do, we are stuck without an “experienced” coach and left to search for another newbie. I say newbie because like whiskey said gruden would ruin the texans like he ruined the bucs and i for one can not wait any longer for the texans to be considered an elite team. So what do we do ???
by Texan Youngster on Nov 28, 2009 10:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You forget
Marty Schottenheimer is still out there
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 28, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It worked for San Diego
why wouldn’t it work here?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 28, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People are naysaying "Cowher's" power run-offense...
…Marty Ball is all run. A) Who would block? B) Who would run? C) Can that person hold onto the football?
by TexansDC on Nov 28, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny Thing Is...
If the Texans manage to upset the Colts tomorrow, the “Fire Kubes!” bandwagon will screech to a halt. Until the next loss, when it will undoubtedly fire back up again.
I’m still of the mind that replacing Kubes would set the offense back in a big enough way that it would eviscerate any short-term improvement that could feasibly be made on defense via a new hire. There’s no doubt that Kubes has presided over some head-scratching decisions this season (e.g., starting Chris Brown last week, putting Ryan Moats into the witness protection program, etc.), but I think the progress the Texans have made under his watch far outweighs the negatives.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Nov 28, 2009 11:12 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Us fans have a short memory.
Kubiak really did rescue us from mediocrity. As for his decision making – it is right for us to question it. But some of his decisions that don’t pan out would be considered genius if they did. At any rate, Slaton did not lose a fumble last week. Our running game may have sucked, but not turning it over must have been a top priority.
by WhiskeyR on Nov 28, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rescue us from Mediocrity
I think it was worse then that.
by nolander on Nov 28, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
2-14 is undeniably worse than mediocrity. If anything, Kubes has taken the Texans from laughingstock to mediocrity, and I think we’re ohsoclose to taking that next step.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Nov 28, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, we're no longer a laughing stock
Now Kubiak has us stuck in mediocrity. It’s time to bring in someone else to take us over the top. If not Cowher, at least Mike Shanahan.
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 29, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In deciding wether or not to fire Kubiak I think that it is very tricky in that Kubiak has made enough mistakes to deserve to be fired on the other hand who do we replace him with we definetly do not need another coordinator want to be head coach. I think that Holmgren might be a very good fit for us. I know that he wants back in an basically built that Seattle team that went to the Super Bowl. He has also proven himself to be a very good offensive mind in dealing with the west coast offense which is basically what we have here. I really like Cower as a head coach but I am afraid that we are going to take a big step backwards trying to reconstruct our defense to fit the 3-4 sceme. I do believe that it could be done it would probably take a year we would need to pickup a nose tackle through free agency/ the draft and another outside linebacker.
Something else to consider in deciding wether to fire Kubiak or not is the teams reputation we all heard the statements from the Jets defense about just being physical with us that we are a finess team. As much as I hate to admit it we are that in some ways we play small athletice"FINESS" linemen on the Oline as well as the interior of the “D” line. I think that we need tochange this perception in order to be able to attract the big name free agents.
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who better to change the O-Line than Cowher?
A dominant O-Line is Cowher’s signature. Bring it on. It takes unbelievable skill for undersized O-Linemen to carry out Kubiak’s idea of O-Lines. The Texans interior lineman are neither quick nor skilled and their small stature just amplifies their inadequacies. They can be manhandled by the most average of defensive lines. They were so inadequate against the Titans, that they rarely had to blitz their linebackers. The Texans’ O-Line consistently gets blown off the line. Perhaps that is why we saw so much of Chris Brown at) in that game; because Schaub was constntly under attack. Kubiak’s ways don’t work in the league of 315+ lb super athletes playing defensive tackle. What business does a sub-300 lb offensive tackle have being on the field against that?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2009 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If we can have the patience to let Cower do what he needs to do then I am all for it. I just think that it will take a year. I am with you 100% concerning the stature of the “O” line did anybody watch the Ravens play the Colts with there 2 massive rookie tackles. That is how you negate the pass rush. It has been proven that defenses have caught up to the zone blocking sceme. SOmetimes you just have to be bigger and stronger than the guy across the line if you want to get it done. Cower would deffinetly bring this. I also think that he would bring a more agressive defensive sceme.
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck it
Lets just go beat the Colts tomorrow and talk about this when we are 10-6.
by nolander on Nov 28, 2009 12:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, let's all stick our heads in the sand
And pretend that we can keep forcing the run game with these sucky interior O-Linemen that are stuck this attempted reenaction of 90’s Broncos and the glory days of Kubiak’s dreamteams. This is almost 2010 for crying out loud! The cookie-cutter offensive lineman of the 1990’s doesn’t work anymore! Athletes are bigger, faster and more athletic now. When the prototypical O-Lineman is now 6’-6" and 320+ lbs and you are running out 6’-3", 295, you are at a decided disadvantage.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2009 12:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
So if we go 10-6 and I don’t call for Kubes to be fired I’m sticking my head in the sand?
by nolander on Nov 28, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
People are talking like Cowher would be some kind of magic pill that suddenly makes our O-line bigger, stronger, and overall, better than it’s ever been before. To do so he’d certainly need to bring in new players, but since he would also bring an entirely different offensive scheme with him we’d also need to bring in new players at alot of offensive positions. And since he’d be changing the alignment of our defense, we’d also need to overhaul our defensive roster. For a team t hat requires so much change, it’d be 2-3 years before we saw much progress at the very soonest. So basically we’d be going from being the youngest team in the NFL that’s hovering around playoff contention, to a team totally thrust into rebuilding mode that will need at least a couple years to even have a shot at a winning record.
Cowher isn’t stupid, so i’d imagine the reports of him being interested in the Texans is coming from a reporter who’s heard that Kubiak might be in a hotseat and can see that the franchise is loaded with young talent so why wouldn’t he be interested. You can be sure though, that fit would play into Cowher’s decision and the Texans current roster is about as far a fit with what he likes to do as there is in the league. I’d be shocked if Kubiak were let go this offseason, and even more so if Cowher took the job. It’s not going to happen.
by Bryan72076 on Nov 29, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Um....
My understanding is that one of Cowher’s requirements is stability at the QB position.
Have you taken a look at our QB situation lately?
Super Bowl caliber.
Coaches will be selling their mammas to work with Matt Schaub.
by footballfan412 on Nov 29, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soooooo...
What you’re saying is this subject will never be brought up again?
by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 28, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fucking Christ
Everyone needs to shut up about moving to a 3-4. It saddens me to see so many people buying into groupthink and/or exposing their own ignorance as to 4-3 v. 3-4. Please, for the love of God, drop it.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Nov 28, 2009 12:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What do you reccomend in order to fix the problems with the lines? Looking at past history I am not comfortable at all in this administration drafting/ signing another free agent defensive tackle or end, are you? Kubiak has had it all his way in drafting who he thought that we needed they are just no good. I think that it is therefore reasonable to discuss alternatives in coaching/ scheme, styles damn it!
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mario Williams. Okoye has played well this year. Smith has played well this year. Yep, they are terrible.
by nolander on Nov 28, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okoye/ Smith has played well really? What games have you watched. Bottom line we cannot get to the quarterback period against even the worst teams. When was the last time that you saw Mario beat anybody even one on one. How often is Mario double teamed. Sure every once in a while one of these guys will make a play but I’m sorry I expect a lot more out of my line then they have given this year.
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will give you that Okoye has played better but still a long way from good.
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okoye
played very well to no fanfare through the first six games. (Side note: Amobi is sixth months younger than Suh, who many people are wetting their panties about.) Smith has been solid in run defense and not bad in pass D when not asked for whatever damned reason to drop into the zone blitz. (Second side note: Seriously, while I am not against a zone blitz and have even written posts about it, having exactly one formation and package that you ZB out of is pretty useless.)
The problem, best I can tell, is that the overall line play has devolved as Mario’s shoulder injury has become more pronounced. Which goes to just how important MW is to this defense.
What do I suggest to fix the line play? The same thing I’ve suggested for years now — a two-gap NT. And it wouldn’t hurt to have a WLB who wasn’t shitty, thus allowing teams to go right at him without giving our line time to do anything.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Nov 28, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Marios shoulder injury preventing him from taking an inside path or when he is rushing the passer? We need somebody that demands a double team especially inside. I am kind of with you concerning Okoye he has potential but in the end he is in my opinion too small.
Concerning us switching to a 3-4. We would atleast be a NT and OLB short just to start off with. Just sk the jets how the 3-4 works without a dominant nose guard. I just believe that we haven’t really went after that dominant inside player. I think that anyway you look at it Okoye was a mistake.
I think that a lot of people are being fooled this year by really good linebacker play and an much improved safety.
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okoye’s size is more of an issue right now because we lack a proper NT think.
by nolander on Nov 28, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WLB? Connor Barwin would be your man in a 3-4
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 29, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know about you
But sometimes getting to the quarterback is not the measure of a successful pass rush.
Fuck Frank Bush nonetheless.
by Jordann on Nov 28, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand a lot of people not wanting to think about firing Kubiak and there is a reasonable argument for this. He has definetly made us more respectable, our passing game is much better. Matt Schaub is actually a pretty darn good quarterback. But the bottom line is that to win championships you must be dominant on both the offensive and defensive lines. These problems have plagued us from the inception of our franchise. Either through poor drafting or poor free agent signings we have failed to improve these positions to the extent that they need to be. The way I see it we have 3 above average players on the “O” and “D” line. Mario WIlliams, Eric Winston and Duane Brown. Now I am not certain why but all 3 of these players have not played with consistency this year. I believe that they all 3 have the potential to do so. What can we attribute this to Coaching or effort or injury, with Mario Williams it is probably the later {I HOPE}. Forget everything else positive about this team until we get the lines fixed we will not be a consistent team. Whose fault is it? I know that Kubiak addressed this when he first became the head coach it was suppossed to be a priority, they have tried especially on the defensive side only to continually miss the mark I believe that it is a combination of coaching and talent evaluation. We need to get someone in here ASAP that will seriously address these situations otherwise we are kind of a paper tiger. Any good defensive coach right now can get to our quarterback and we are struggling to stop it. It is time for a change.
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 1:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You included Duane Brown
in a sentence with Mario Williams. So I stopped reading.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Nov 28, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah maybe he dosn’t belong with Mario but I do believe that he has ability and will prove to be a serviceable tackle. My only other comment is I have to wonder just how injured Marios shoulder is? I hope that it is much worse than it appears. I don’t know about you but several plays I see a serious lack of effort a tag that he has carried around with him since college. Lets hope that it is just an injury and not a lack of determination
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
it’s much worse than he’s letting on. He’s not using that arm for leverage at all and it’s hampering other uses of his hands as well. He’s still been a beast in run defense all year.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Nov 28, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thinki you're right
Lets hope that it is something easy to repair. He has been a beast against the run.
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of.
When he gets locked up with a tackle and RBs try to go his direction, he sheds the block and takes them down. Yet just as often he does his only god-damn move a speed-rush and runs himself out of a play, then any slight delay by the RB gives him an open lane to the outside (where there’s usually some dipshit safety or CB who overvalues himself) out there to blow containment. But oh boy, when the QB takes a 28-step drop, that speed-rush pays dividends!
Shoulder-injury or not, Mario is playing like shit this year. Most of his sacks have coverage sacks (on the Texans? Gasp) or a result of Antonio Smith (gasp again?) getting the initial pressure.
by Nashmeister on Nov 28, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AGAIN WITH COWHER!!!!
He is not coming here that a fact Kubiak is our coach right now why is everyone is so woried bout the offseason and who our coach is going to be like if we were cleveland or bills. I mean mathematically and in actuality we have a chance to make it above .500 and playoffs. Everyone lost there hope over two losses like if we have never lost two in a row. People please we are better than that i mean come on we survived a 2-14 season. All we have to do is worry bout the colts on sunday, if we beat them and jacksonville looses than we are in wild card talk again. We are 1 game out 1 effin game really guys really everyone wants to jump off the bandwagon now nice.
by Texan Youngster on Nov 28, 2009 6:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure but I doubt that any team with the Texans record has any bandwagon fans at all.you have to be a pretty die hard fan to follow this team year in and year out. I am not worried about loosing 2 games I just don’t like how we have lost all the games. We are not winning games like a dominant NFL team would. I also don’t like having the same problems year in and year out. mainly no pass rush. Just for information I think that Holmgren would be a better fit with the players that we have. IMO
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you, but...
I agree we should be taking this one day at a time. Tomorrow is the Indy game, and Kubiak is our coach. One step at a time.
However, it was Cowher’s people that leaked information that he would consider coming here. And he has not refuted that information.
Furthermore, you have to look at our qb situation. We have a top shelf qb. I bet a lot of coaches are salivating at getting their hands on Schaub/Andre/OD.
And, apparently Cowher wants to go to a team with a solid qb.
Overall, I agree with you: Let’s focus on Indy first.
by footballfan412 on Nov 28, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you and the QB situitation
There is probably only 4 coaches in the league that wouldn’t love to have the combo that we have at QB and WR. Just to let you know I really am a Texans fan I have lived in Houston all my life and was at the dome when we welcomed home the Oilers after there 2 losses. I am a big time High School football fanIn my picture is my son # 42 of the Dayton Broncos from last years state runner up team. So needless to say I pretty much live football. Anywhow good conversation tonight and wish us luck against Brenham this next Sat. I have a good feeling about tomorrow I believe that we are going to beat the Colts and I maybe we can even end up with a sack or two.
by BUB1541 on Nov 28, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good news
Ok so freeney is out tomorrow maybe things are starting to change in our favor. That’s one less thing to worry about
by Texan Youngster on Nov 28, 2009 6:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think I just saw our future RB on ABC
I would love to see Toby Gerhart here. If Cowher comes in, that’s the kind of RB he’ll want.
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 28, 2009 10:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This team NEEDS some attitude....
Kubiak just doesn’t bring it and we aren;t getting it from the players.
We need a change somewhere. If we win less than ten games with thismuch talent, it should start with the head coach.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 29, 2009 6:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This much talent?
Would you REALLY contend that this team is more talented than the teams ahead of them? Especially considering Mario Williams is playing with one shoulder and Daniels is now done?
Cause um, for a fact, Indy, NE, SD, and Pittsburgh are definitely ahead of them. I’d consider Baltimore to be better, but open for an argument. The Bengals? The Broncos? Might be closer than you think. The only team I think they’re clearly more talented than that is ahead of them is the Jags, and they have played an easier schedule and would have the best player on either team (MJD).
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by riversmccown on Nov 29, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They do have talent
The Texans do have talent on the field. I also agree that the Texans do need an attitude change, and that it should begin with the head coach.
Hell, I lost faith in Kubiak last season after two games:
1) when he put the punt return team on the field on fourth down when the Jags offense never left the field.
2) and the Colts game last season…….everyone blamed Sage for falling apart and losing the lead to let the Colts win….But look at the play calling. For three quarters they were tearing up yards with running Slaton of Leach to the sides….but in the fourth quarter – when they try to eat the clock – they started jamming the middle for no gain. Sage had no choice to try to make some type of play for the first. (Yes, Sage should have NEVER went airborne), but look at the play calling that got them to that point of 3rd and long.
After that I really was not impressed with Kubiak – yes he did better than Capers. But the list seems to get longer with questionable calls……It seems that most of the teams the Texans face seem to consider the Texans just a minor speed bump to the Superbowl……and when the Texans do something to get noticed and make a statement – they lose that edge with the next game.
But I honestly don’t know what head coach can come here and make the needed change. Cowher would be interesting, but I believe he really has his eyes set for Carolina and he will use the Texans and other teams as leverage in his negotiations.
I also heard that Mike Shanahan mentioned an interest to the Texans…..but at this point and time it is all going to be rumors and speculations…..I hate to say it but we might as well wait and see what happens and hope for an 8 – 8 or even a 9 – 7 season (fingers crossed).
by Sir_Vilhelm on Nov 29, 2009 11:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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