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Is The Texans Defense Actually Good?


As Tim alluded to in his postgame writeup, the defense came to play last Sunday.  Matt Schaub and Steve Slaton owe the defensive squad a few baskets of muffins for giving up only 7 points on three first quarter turnovers.  While the Ryan Fitzpatrick-led Bills are not exactly an offensive juggernaut, allowing zero second half points is impressive against any NFL team.

Speaking of playing a sub-standard offensive team, the issue of nitpicking because of the competition came up after a strong showing by the defense against the Oakland Raiders.  Since that game though, the defense has played what in my estimation is likely the best five consecutive games in Texans franchise history. 

In the offseason, there was a general consensus among the commenters on this site.  The defense obviously needed to improve the abysmal play under Richard Smith, but several areas were specifically identified.  The defense was shredded regularly in the preseason and after the first three games of the season, and for good reason--the improvements were nowhere to be found.  What areas have the Texans improved, and which ones still haven't appeared yet?

1.  Stop the run - The turn around in the defense's ability to stymie the run is remarkable.  After the first three games of the year, the Texans were dead last in rush defense, averaging 205 yards allowed.  Since that time, the defense has given up a paltry 291 total in five games.   That's only 52 yards per opponent.  Before anyone criticizes those opponents, four of those teams have averaged over 100 yards rushing a game when not playing the Texans (Cincinnati 141, Buffalo 112, San Francisco 107, Oakland 101). 

It's been a team effort to create this change.  The defensive linemen have all improved at the point of attack, especially Amobi Okoye and Antonio Smith.  Neither has crazy statistics, but both are having success penetrating into opposing backfields.  While the Jacques Reeves interception was namely due to miscommunication between Fitzpatrick and Terrell Owens, Amobi Okoye forced the early errant throw.  The combination of Brian Cushing and DeMeco Ryans at the second level has been incredible because not only do both have a nose for the ball but they have rarely missed tackles (in the last five games). Lastly, the Texans have three defensive backs that are extremely good at defending the run and screen passes--Bernard Pollard, Glover Quin and despite all criticism, Dunta Robinson.

That's only half the answer though.  The other half is that Frank Bush has been selling out against the run.  It is very common to see Pollard creep into the box leaving only three defensive backs in coverage positions.  This is one reason why two halves of these five games were marred by aerial attacks that garnered 21 points each (Cardinals and 49ers).  While this has been working, someone will burn the Texans beyond anything the offense can repair in one game because of the next point.

2.  Create Pressure/Sacks - I put both for a reason.  The Texans have created a decent amount of pressure, but not nearly enough sacks.  Only the Jaguars and the Chiefs have produced less sacks than the Texans, although quarterbacks are often hurried by a mixture of natural pass rush from the front four and a myriad of blitzes called by Frank Bush. 

There are two problems with this phenomenon.  First of all, supplying pressure without the sack works well against inexperienced/bad quarterbacks, but good/great quarterbacks deliver the ball whether they're going to get hit or not.  The other problem is that the Texans secondary, while very good at supporting the run and short passes, is not great in coverage.  Pollard is a true strong safety, Quin is learning, and Dunta just hasn't shown the ability to cover No. 1 receivers anymore.  Eugene Wilson is good, but you need more than just one good coverage safety.

Antonio Smith was brought in to create disruption that opposing teams would have to focus on and therefore not double-team Mario Williams all of the time.  Sometimes it works the other way around; both sacks against Buffalo were caused by Williams' pressure.  In fact, despite a lingering shoulder injury, Wlliams often makes opposing quarterbacks to change their position in the pocket.  If Bush can figure out a way to capitalize on this more regularly, like he did with Brian Cushing on his blitz on Sunday, we could start to see more sacks.  Pressure also leads to one more thing...

3.  Turnovers - The Texans had created 9 defensive turnovers at the halfway mark last year and had 22 at the end of the season.  They have 15 this season, 11 of which have come in this particular five-game swing.  Of those 16, only 6 are interceptions, going back to the point that the Texans do not employ a coverage-oriented secondary.  The turnover numbers aren't record setting, but a 66% improvement is substantial.

The biggest catalyst of turnovers?... Brian Cushing.  We've kicked the "I was wrong and I am so glad" horse beyond death, but criticism of Cushing remains.  He's not an All Pro, maybe not even a Pro Bowler, but what would you have done for a SLB with a statline of 1.5 sacks, 2 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles, 7 pass deflections, 1 safety and 66 tackles halfway through last season?

Who is responsible for these changes?  Is it the new defensive coordinator?  Is it the free agent pickups (Smith, Cody, Pollard)?  Maybe the rookies (Cushing, Quin)?  Probably a little of all of the above.  That creates one more interesting and possibly detrimental aspect though; this is a young defense that is still learing how to play together.  There are five current starters who didn't play in Houston last year, and that number goes up to seven if you count Dunta Robinson and Zac Diles, who both missed at least half of last season due to injury. 

The defense will continue to have lapses of inconsistency because of youth and inexperience.  In the offseason though, we were hoping for marginal improvement.  After all, the confidence in the offense is as high as ever, so the theory of "a mediocre defense makes this team good" remains valid.  There will be highs and lows, but if the defense plays close to the level that they've shown in the last five games, they can be much better than mediocre.

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Great stuff, Jake!

I really think we should get an extension together for Bernard Pollard. Dude has been nails since he got here.

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by Mike Kerns on Nov 3, 2009 8:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Eep.

Demps comes to mind. But hey, if he’ll sign cheap, then why not?

by Nashmeister on Nov 3, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

though he has more range and is younger than demps.

On a parody level, though, I sure miss demps.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not me.

my ex had a crush on that dude….
i fukkin HATED his good looking ass.

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Just…..Wow.

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by Mike Kerns on Nov 3, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You should seriously check out

Some of DGDB&D’s old posts on Smoove Will.

In fact, everyone should.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 3, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Smoove Will and LVJ

Neither will live down being beat out by Travis Johnson.

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by Shake on Nov 3, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And the Evil Genius.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 4, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very well said

And this is what makes the Indy games so scary to me. We have been loading the box to stop the run. When you balance the QBs we have faced during this stretch, an extremely poor bunch including Ryan Fitzpatrick, JaMarcus Russell, and Shaun Hill/Alex Smith, we can see more clearly how we were able to get away with stacking the line. However, it didn’t work against Alex Smith, but it worked against Carson Palmer?

Two additional areas stick out for me:
1. The tackling has gotten much better. Pollard and Dunta need to remember to wrap every now and then, but this area has improved greatly.

2. Ryans and Cushing: Right now, I am convinced DeMeco Ryans is having one of the best seasons in the league. His stats don’t necessarily reflect this, but he’s making every tackle in his area. He is an absolute leader on the field and a fundamental joy to watch.

This has allowed Cushing to roam free, and his gap maturity, along with adding Pollard in the box, has helped decrease our susceptibility to the run. That and Smith and Okoye on the line who have been wonderfully disruptive.

Areas that are problematic:
 - Our zone coverage scheme is ugly. We don’t have the personnel for it.
 - We over-pursue? Who knew?
These are very exploitable issues.

I just took a peek at the QBs we’ve played and where they rank on the QB rating scale:
13. Palmer
19. Warner
21. Hill
22. Garrard
28. Sanchez
29. Collins
32. Fitzpatrick (if qualified)
34. Russell

In other words, we really haven’t played against any good 2009 QBs with the possible exception of Palmer.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

ah

the new scheme hates spaces and paragraphs, I guess.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha Ha!!!

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by Mike Kerns on Nov 3, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jake, you did an okay job

And you snuck in the obligatory Cushing-slam for good measure. But, BFD, you touched on what I think is the biggest issue with the defense right now. Their zone coverage. Agree, it is a weak area of this defense. The personnel is holding it back and if you want it to be effective or at least be able to cover that weakness, the team needs to pressure the QB to make him get rid of the ball before he wants to. If not, a good QB has too much time to wait for his receivers to find the seam. And, yes, good point about the quality of the opposing QB’s. This weekend, if the pass rush can’t pressure Manning, then he will have a field day and we can throw the stats from the last five games out the window.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Nov 3, 2009 8:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The one glaring fact

about the colts game last week was Paytone Manneng threw for something like 345 yards and 0 TD’s. The one TD pass came from Addia if I remember correctly and the 49ers had a chance to win that game. They put all their points up in the first half and fell flat in the second (where have I seen that before). San Frans D played tough. Yes, they gave up a lot of yards in the air but stopped them from putting up 6 points each time they got close (except for the RB pass). I think the Jags played a similar game against them and could have won. Also, I’ not sure how time of possesion will work in this game. The Colts played Miami and only had the ball for 20 minutes and still won the game. I think we can win if we hold them to field goals but if we let them get into the endzone several times it could get away but I think we can win this one.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Colts v Niners...

I watched the Colts game. The Niners defense played really well, but the Niners were never really in the game during the second half. Didn’t really have a chance to win it. Peyton played his worst game in a long time as well. The Texans certainly have the guns to put up points, but it was Indy’s defense that won them the Niners game. They have been outstanding this year (#1 scoring defense.) I’m not saying a win at Indy is impossible, but the Texans will need to be hitting on all cylinders as well as get some lucky breaks.

by invisibulman on Nov 3, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How

How did I criticize Cushing? I thought I was going to bat for him.

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Nov 3, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"He's not an All Pro, maybe not even a Pro Bowler..."

That offends the delicate sensibilities of those of us with a Brian Cushing man-crush. While saying these things doesn’t imply that he isn’t a good player, they don’t exactly count as going to bat for him like “he may not make the Pro Bowl this year, but he may very well deserve it”. At this point, I consider Brian Cushing the best player on the defense because he makes so many plays, especially at the end of games when it seems like everyone else besides him is tired. Of course you can’t call any player an All Pro if they’re a rookie: not enough time and results, not established enough. I do think he’s making a good case for the Pro Bowl though.

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by TexanKurt on Nov 3, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Since Cushing became a Texans

Rip and Kurt’s lips have been stuck on Cushing’s butt. One cheek per person of course. I dont even know how yall can have the time to respond and defend your beloved.

by Jordann on Nov 3, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nawwww.....

Just since around, oh, week 4 of the regular season.

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by TexanKurt on Nov 3, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't give a shit about the Pro Bowl or All Pro status

Why?

Vince Young.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 3, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be Pro Bowler Vince Young

Showing how he sets up the money shot.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 3, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pro Bowl is like American Idol right?

Or is American Idol like the Pro Bowl?

I get confused sometimes.

by Jordann on Nov 3, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No.

One displays and rewards talented people who have demonstrated their ability in a battle tested environment. The other castigates idiots who think they can sing.

And an irrelevant like Vince Young shouldn’t be negatively impacting anybody’s impression of the Pro Bowl. That’s just ridiculous.

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by TexanKurt on Nov 3, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like Will Demps?

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by riversmccown on Nov 3, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

To this day...

I still can’t figure out who is the 1 guy actually looking at the camera, like he’s about to stab a bitch?

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by Shake on Nov 3, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Antonio Daniels.

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by beefy on Nov 3, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Call

I never noticed that guy

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by CFHTim on Nov 3, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

MSNBC has Cushing as a mid-season all pro

“Outside Linebacker: Brian Cushing
The lone rookie midseason All-Pro, Cushing has made an immediate impact for a defense that’s been one of the league’s hardest to run against over the last month. He leads the Texans in tackles and provides a physical presence on the strong side.”

by danger man on Nov 3, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, and jake?

No picture of Bush with his bow-tie? You hater.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 8:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't find one

And I didn’t feel like going through the process of doing a screen capture. Color me lazy.

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Nov 3, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fact.

1 catch for 8 yds.
so don’t tell me nothing about dunta NOT being able to cover. a good CB can go a whole game without being mentioned. wanna know why?
cuz he did his job. true, he whiffed on the end around. it happens! meco whiffed on a draw as well. dunta also made timely stops, played solid coverage, and was not flagged for any PI penalties. when will u guys see the glass as half full instead of half empty?? dunta’s true test is sunday vs. wayne. he said it himself. so come sunday, we will see where he is.

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 8:32 AM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for saying it.

I’ve been thinking he hasn’t played that bad but a lot of people are bashing him week after week and ready to boot him off the team today. He pulled some BS in the offseason and I don’t agree with what he did and no I don’t think he is a top 5 CB and he does not deserve the big $ contract but I think he has been playing solid for us. I say this based on what we had in our secondary over the last several years and how we have seen our secondary burned time and time again and most of the time it was on the opposite side of the field that Dunta played on. I think he is a solid #2 CB for us and he has given up some plays but 99% of CB’s do. It’s damn near impossible to find a shut down corner. I’ll take what #23 has given us in his playing time this year because I have seen much worse (and I know all of you have too). Hopefully I will not have to eat crow next week.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll admit to probably being wrong about Cushing

But Dunta has been awful this year. Yes, he had a good game against the Bills, but he’s probably the 4th best cover CB on our roster today.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

not sure where you get

4th best cover corner on our roster. Awful, really? Splain that one to me.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Two ways

He’s been repeatedly torched in coverage all year.


With the disclaimer that we don’t know the accuracy of this site, he’s easily ranked as one of the worst CBs in football.


I’d rather put McCain out there. Quin and Reeves are the two best on the roster right now.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

From Rivers:
#23 in our playbooks, #32 in our stat books, Dunta Robinson was targeted four times and the following happened: Pass Interference penalty, 35 yard drop by Ochocinco when he laid out for the ball and landed ball-first, forcing it out, 6 yard quick slant, 17 yard busted zone. While he’s no great shakes, Glover Quin is clearly the second-best corner at this point. At least Dunta always acts like a badass (read: dumbass) when he does something good. Gotta draw attention to yourself on the few good plays you make.

http://frommomsbasement.com/2009/10/30/notes-from-game-charting-texans-bengals-game-6-half-2/

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so...

1 PI call, one play where the receiver drops the ball?, and two catches for 6 and 17 yards. Is that really what you came up with to show how he’s been tourched in coverage all year?

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*sigh*

Did you go to either link above? And the PI, drop, and two catches are out of four targets.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, I

checked the link from moms basement and it said the same thing you posted which still doesn’t mean anything based on the info presented b/c in no way shape or form does it equal/justify the statement that he has been tourched all year – not even close. And that stupid ass stat link you wanted me to look at placed Glover Quinn ahead of Nnamdi Asmugha so please don’t use that as a reference or a tool to prove your point. I understand you don’t like the guy and lots of people don’t but you have no other supporting evidence other than your own opinion which is fine b/c I have mine but I don’t think it’s right to say he has been tourched all season when that just ins’t the case and really no evidence to prove it. Damn I sure hope he has a great game this week.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

Then what’s your proof that Dunta is good?

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or...

Outside of the Buffalo game, can you name one game in which he’s been good? Average?

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One more

Here’s football outsiders, which ranks us dead last against #1 WRs and 24th against #2s.

The only “proof” I can toss out are my eyes and the stats.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well... that's just not enough, dammit.

So, let me get this straight… you SEE him playing shitty, and you have statistical evidence that he’s not as good as other people? And that’s it?
You probably think David Carr was a shitty QB, too, right?

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by beefy on Nov 3, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That's hilarious...

I wouldn’t say he’s playing shittily, but he’s certainly not in the realm of “best player on the defense”, which his salary basically demands. In fact, he’s probably one of the worst performers on the defense at this point. But I can only reference the type of proof that’s been given thus far.

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by TexanKurt on Nov 3, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Statistical Evidence and Game Film

isn’t enough to prove a point nowadays man. It’s opinion of people that counts! Pro Bowl/American Idol have been trying to teach us that for years but we never learn.

by Jordann on Nov 3, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we all should join the Colts

fan base since they live on that FAO shit or whatever it is or should we revisit the Wayne vs AJ thread again and look at those stats can tell all of us that Wayne is a better player than AJ and that Quinn is a better CB than Nnamdi.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe

We could use our own analytical capabilities and put those stats in context while realizing that human beings are actually pretty bad at making objective judgments an issue that statistics, when properly used, don’t have.

Or not.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 3, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

The stats

are skewed and your eyes see different than mine. Bottom line BFD – he hasn’t been torched all season like you claim and possibly his worst day was against Cincy when Ocho went for 100 yards but if you recall he did not give up a touchdown and Ocho is a great receiver when he wants to be and will give any #1 (or #2) CB problems. Also we won that game so with that being his worst game I really didn’t think it was that bad. Hell if Dunta can check Wayne this week for a 100 yards and no scores then I’ll take that to and that does not make him a garbage CB either. Last week – 1 catch 8 yards, the week before that it was Vernon all day Davis on the LB and safety. Cincy I just discussed. Arizona he gave up one but come on those receivers can score on any CB. Oakland – nothing. Jax – MJD killed us. Ten – CJ killed us and I try and forget about the Jets game. So him being torched all season just doesn’t show thru. Maybe he missed some tackles on those big runs earlier in the year but as I recall so did everyone else on the field.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So...

Aside from all the shitty plays he made, he played great.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 3, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All the shitty plays?

He’s had one game that wasn’t great (and not all that bad either) and didn’t even give up a TD so I’m really not sure what your trying to say. Look he’s tied for 2nd with passes defended he has a forced fumble which actually would have helped us win the game if we could score from 1/2 a yard out. I’m not saying the guy is great or the best at his position. I’m not saying he is an upstanding guy or that I think he was right in how he handled himself in the off season all I’m saying is that he is not a garbage CB like so many claim he is. He’s decent at his position and we have had worse and we still have worse on the depth chart.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I think both sides have staked out their respective territories here and are pretty well set in their beliefs.

I’ll just leave it at this: I sincerely hope he plays well and this discussion goes the way of all those arguments about Mario from a few years ago.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 3, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said. I’m hoping he has a great game too. We need all of our guys to play lights out this week if we want any kind of shot at winning.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

You inspired me to change my profile picture.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 3, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's been more bad than good

He’s also a beneficiary of playing bad QB/CB combos. For example, Louis Murphy beat him for a sure touchdown only to watch JaMarcus throw the ball over the wrong shoulder. This isn’t the only time this year he’s been beaten deep either.

Which isn’t to say that he is stink out loud John Busing/DeMarcus Faggins bad. But he’s been pretty bad this year statistically and (IMO) has been pretty bad on film.

Also, if Reggie Wayne gets 100+ yards against us, I will put our chances of winning that game at 30/70. We’re going to need to hold the ball, apply pressure, and not let them tear our zones apart.

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by riversmccown on Nov 3, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Is it 2006 again?

Because it’s looking like people still think Dunta is a good corner.

He was a good corner.

1 catch for 8 yds. That was the stat line for Lee Evans right?
I think we’re forgetting that Fitzy was the QB and we’re forgetting that
it’s was against the Buffalo offense.

by Jordann on Nov 3, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Read, Jake

As happy as we’ve been with the D for the past five weeks, Sunday will be a reckoning. Peyton Manning is a different animal, and I’m very much looking forward to seeing what Bush does to attempt to frustrate him.

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by Tim on Nov 3, 2009 8:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

hey tim.

if dunta plays a good game, will that “loosen things up a bit”? (to borrow a line from goodfellas)

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Dunta

I fear that I haven’t done a good job articulating my position on Dunta. My issues with him stem chiefly from his offseason shenanigans, which I will readily admit can taint what I’ve seen on the field.

I thought Dunta was playing unbelievably well in ‘07, prior to his injury. I gave him a mulligan for last year; heck, I was ridiculously impressed that he made it back as quickly as he did. No matter what else Dunta does, his first pregame introduction after the injury (Detroit, I think) remains one of the best moments I’ve ever had at Reliant.

Comes down to this: Dunta has not played like a No. 1 CB this season. Nor has he played like a CB worth $23 mil guaranteed. And he DEFINITELY hasn’t played like a CB who should get more than $23 mil in guaranteed money, as he and his people seem to think.

I want Dunta Robinson to revert to his 2007 form. Really, I do. Because if he does, then the Texans defense is that much better. Even if it means Dunta eventually leaves as an unrestricted free agent and the Texans have no tangible asset to show for it, I hope Dunta becomes the player he was before the injury, because it means a better Texans team for us to follow. So in that vein, I’d love for him to shut Wayne (or Garcon, or whoever) down on Sunday. It’s not personal.

First and foremost, I want the Texans to succeed. Dunta being better should help in that endeavor. If Houston beats Indy on Sunday, and Dunta plays like someone who should be making $10 mil this year, consider me all loosened up.

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by Tim on Nov 3, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Dunta as a UFA

What effect does an uncapped 2010 have on UFA’s?

I think I heard we keep our dudes who have contracts for one more year, but Dunta doesn’t have a contract, just a tender? Or is there no difference?

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The CBA issue

I’m pretty sure that only effects the team’s rights to guys in their 1st contract, so it’s mainly folks drafted in ’06 and ’07

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by Shake on Nov 3, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so Dunta

and KDub are just UFA’s, then.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Think so...regardless of CBA status

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by Shake on Nov 4, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dunta and the secondary

Lets all move on, and accept whats best for the team on Sundays.

With that in mind, I like the fact that Bush put Dunta on Buffalo’s #2. They apparently thought he’d matchup better against Evans.

This tells me Bush is looking at whats best for the defense, and not just blindly putting Dunta against their #1. Which tells me he’d be our nickel corner if Bush thought that was our best chance to win. And he sees them on film, and in practice, and gets paid to make these decisions.

So if you’d demote Dunta to nickel out of spite, or statistics, then I’m glad Bush is making these decisions and not the blogosphere.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

wrong.

evans was the bigger producer, which makes him the #1 guy. which is why dunta was on him. and AGAIN, his final line was 1 catch for 8 yds.

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dude, read the post

I agree with you re:Dunta.

But his final line was 2 catches for 29 yards including a 24 yard reception.

And TO is their WR1. The numbers were roughly equal for both receivers. I’m sure Dunta thought he’d be covering TO until they told him different. The fact that they made the decision, even if its why you said they made it, is the point of my post.

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by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i was referring to when dunta covered him.

Coach Koob spoke on it during the press conference. they felt that evans was the “top producing” reciever, which is why dunta had that assignement this week.

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He was just trying not to hurt Dunta's feelings.

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by CFHTim on Nov 3, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dunta has feelings?

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

And all of you rude people who keep saying, “Fuck Dunta” have made him very, very hurt.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 3, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

sometimes

he writes them on his shoes

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by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Glover Quin

I was looking at his combine profile and the last line says “Quin’s physical nature makes him a natural zone corner or free safety.”

We don’t play zone much, and we’ve had our problems at coverage in the safety position. Pollard is great against the run.

I have two questions.

#. In obvious passing situations, or zone schemes, would Wilson/Quin be a better Safety combo than Wilson/Pollard?

#. Is our dearth of CB’s keeping Quin from getting time at Safety, or is he just proving to be better at this position?

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by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 10:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

no.

quin isn’t tall enough to be a true free safety.

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so

this guy can’t play free safety then, huh?

5’11" = 5’11" = not tall enough. I like ya Chris, but you’re gonna have to bring more proof than that. I’ve seen Berry play a lot.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so the link I posted

shows he’s a strong safety.

My post said Wilson (FS) / Quin (SS).

So is that feasible?

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Fifth Dimension is a beast.

I think he can pretty much play every DB position.

by MadMartygan on Nov 3, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's tall enough.

Ed Reed is 5’11 200 pounds. Hell, Bob Sanders is generously listed as 5’8. I think he could make the transition.

by MadMartygan on Nov 3, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

#2

We need Quin at CB, and Quin would be a better fit at FS, especially since we seem to be more discerning today between FS and SS than the team was under Smith.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll show my ignorance

SS plays the run more, right? and FS plays centerfield and is more about coverage?

So my question remains about obvious passing downs. Would he work in a specific nickel/dime package? Or our 2min ole defense?

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to see him out there all three downs

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

as a CB, this year

absolutely.

My question was, next year we need to target secondary studs. Is he a possibility at Safety, and we target 2 CB’s to fill his void and our other problems?

Or do we target a safety?

But I think I know the answer.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I think having him around lets them target the best available DB in the first round, and then move him around accordingly if he continues to play well.

by nolander on Nov 4, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

I think he’s better long-term at S, but he’s really impressing me. Might as well let him stay at CB while he’s getting the job done. That said, we need talent at CB, anyway, with Bennett and likely Dunta on the way out.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 4, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

im so fukkin close to making a thread about this mess...

but i wont. (yet)
best believe come sunday if dunta SHOWS up against wayne…
you all will hear about it.
in EPIC proportions.
funny thing?
coaches wont start a guy who isn’t producing. funny how everyone rates reeves above dunta… but who was relegated to the nickel back?

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

Ive thought Dunta has played well this season, but not up to his pre-injury standards. I think most people on this site feel he’s playing badly because he’s not the Dunta of old, but we shouldnt have expected him to be. IMO he’s still getting into game shape because of the injury and then the holdout but he has looked close to his old self against the run (sans the t.o. end around) but his pass coverage is still lagging because that requires more speed and agility, which is hard to have after the injury and holdout.

by TexasHoosier on Nov 3, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that he does not look close to his old self because of the injury and holdout. He did a good job coming back from injury, but the holdout hurt the team and himself as well. Then after a few games he says something like “my preseason is over now”, after acting in the offseason like he’s going to step right in and be the same old Dunta. Truth is, he is an average corner. He is important to this team, but even pre-injury he was never worth the money he wants and thank god we didn’t pay it to him, because he is proving that he just isn’t worth it.

I have a lot more confidence in Reeves. Reeves is our best corner.

by WhiskeyR on Nov 3, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The target on your back is getting bigger than the one Dunta has on his.

At least we know who to aim comments at when Wayne gets another 140 and a touch.

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by beefy on Nov 3, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sigh.

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, just maybe...

You should go get banned from Stampede Blue by talking shit about how Dunta is going to absolutely shut down Wayne. Just a suggestion as a way to add to your banned resume. I do wonder how much deference Dunta really receives from other teams and other fans. I think alot of Texans fans engage in overrating Dunta.

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by TexanKurt on Nov 3, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We practically got into arguments with Niners fans because they wanted us to understand that Reeves was completely shitty as a corner and Dunta was amazing.

by nolander on Nov 3, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But you do realize that

Willis is a better CB than both Dunta and Reeves. Any 9ers fan will tell you that.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Willis can play all 11 positions

and win popularity contests and go to pro bowl at every position.

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by CFHTim on Nov 3, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

It must be the hair.

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by TexanKurt on Nov 3, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was funny.

When Texans signed Reeves I never thought I would ever be in the position of defending him or his play. And I used to be a huge supporter of Dunta, calling him a top corner when deep downn I knew he was overated. I just don’t understand how anyone can support him after he pretty much said Fuck the Texans and Fuck my teamates, regardless of his preformance on the field.

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by CFHTim on Nov 3, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Funny how Dunta slips into every conversation here

Just for the excitement value, I am looking forward to watching the upcoming off-season face-off between Rick Smith and Dunta Robinson….if it makes it that far. I am certain the Texans management is weighing-in the total package that he brings, both on the field and off it. His locker room presence may be his undoing in the end, but his on-field replace-ability is evident and taking shape each week. The Texans are lining up his replacements as the season goes on and the players get the experience they need. Dunta may have a rude awakening to his ego when the dust settles. I really don’t think he will be in any position to hold the team hostage.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Nov 3, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I sincerely hope Dunta does that

And I will take my lumps in that thread if he does. He can’t undo all his douchey moves in the past, but I will happily give him credit if he plays well.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 3, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

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by Shake on Nov 3, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

here's what i don't understand.

we have all accepted the fact that he made a mistake right?
*he should have shut the fuck up and signed his contract.
*he shouldn’t have worn those damned shoes.
but at what point does it become just “cliche” to say “fuck dunta”? and why all the negativity in the posts? our team thrives on “good” karma. and dunta has been toasted enough this season, so he KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYONE that he isn’t the same guy. HAVE YOU HEARD HIM MENTION HIS CONTRACT AGAIN SINCE THE SHOE INCIDENT? nope. cuz karma bit him in the ass. someone mentioned it earlier, when #23 hit the field last sunday, you could “feel” it. that introduction and him coming out of that tunnel was awesome… and it meant so much cuz he’s been such a huge guy for us. go get your cortland finnigans, or your (whoever else plays corner) but i will take #23. love his style, love how he hits, loves how he has NEVER been a problem for the team previous to the contract issues. and he (as well as OD and MECO) will make more than any of us ever will. so it’s not about the $$$, it’s about the respect. convo went something like this…
dunta – “hey rick, you got me for a bargain, any chance i can be paid for a couple of years, as compensation of holding up the team when we sucked ass? i know my knee is shit… but i don’t wanna play anywhere else!”
rick - HELL NO. dude your leg is bum! prove it again this year… and we will see…. mr. mcnair says i can’t spend a dime over my allowance! so NOBODY gets paid… unless you are a kicker or a left tackle!
dunta - well FINE then! (runs away crying)

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We may not be giving him enough credit (although I don't think so)...

But you’re giving him too much.

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by beefy on Nov 3, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not last sunday... i meant last season.

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I told yall

Bennett would be gone. He might get cut if they decide to get a deep snapper and tight end

i rate our corners like this

reeves
dunta
Quinn
McCain
molden
Bennett

don’t really see a need for 6

I wish molden would get some time but why mess with what’s working

by AllenOU on Nov 3, 2009 10:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

yep

Poor Gamecock Ballhawk. I can’t help but feel we wasted his talent somewhere along the line.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How can you rate Molden over Bennett?

there’s virtually NO sample set.

Bennett should be at the bottom of the list of the people who have played. But the coaches though enough of him to put him out there. Can’t say the same for Molden.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Nov 3, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I should be rated higher than Bennett.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would put molden ahead of Bennet on the depth chart just because I want to see what he can do. We have seen Bennett play, and it was catastrophic.

by nolander on Nov 3, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

At his rate of progress (and Dunta's lack thereof)

Quin is about a game and a half from leaping Dunta on your list.

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by Shake on Nov 3, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha!

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 3, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We can all agree on that at least.

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by CFHTim on Nov 3, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bennett was GREAT his rookie year

but he has regressed SO BAD that i am actually in shock at how bad he is. he isnt even a factor on special teams, and thats why i have molden above him.

molden and glenn martinez have looked good on ST as the gunners, but freddy got fingered…..well….i guess freddy didnt get fingered because you dont get fingered on the bench.

Have yall seen the twin texans cheerleaders. i met them last week WOW

by Allen-OU on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Nov 3, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What were we talking about? All of a sudden I forgot.

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by Bobobigbro on Nov 3, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we should do a contest....

who has the hottest cheerz in the league? year in and year out since year 1, we have always had the HOTTEST cheers. a good mix of latinas, sistas, and blonde/brunette bombshells.

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by chrisd21 on Nov 3, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Philly had at least a couple major hotties getting air time last week.

by nolander on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The cheer crews get good face-time

on the night games!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Nov 4, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I hated on Dunta during the Buffalo game...

Because he dove at TO’s feet instead of trying to tackle him. I get that Owens is a load coming around the corner, but tough shit. A corner making 9.5+ million a year needs to man up and put a hat on the ball-carrier. So what if you get trucked. Slow the guy down so your teammates can make a tackle. DON’T GIVE UP THE TD!

Yeah, I know DeMeco whiffed on a juke from Marshawn Lynch later in the game. So? The difference is he attempted to put a body on his guy. Robinson made zero attempt to put a body on Owens.

It doesn’t matter if he’s giving up 30 pounds. I don’t expect him to de-cleat the runner, just slow him down.

Also, as a Texans fan, I hope he finds his old form and plays lights out the rest of the season. I’m not about to cut off my nose to spite my face. This run feels too good.

by carsonwayne on Nov 3, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

As for the post itself:

Is the Texans defense actually good? No.

But they aren’t craptacular anymore, and that’s a huge step in the right direction.

#1: The Texans problem against the Cardinals and 49ers boiled down NOT to cheating the safety up, but for dropping back in the patented end-of-half/winning-by-a-lot zone defense, which works as well as the Maginot Line.

#2: Agreed

#3: According to NFL.com, the Texans are tied for 17th in the NFL in forced fumbles, yet are 2nd in the NFL in recovered fumbles. Lets not start sucking each others popsicles yet.

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by riversmccown on Nov 3, 2009 6:45 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

For the Maginot Line crack. I can’t get enough of those kind of analogies.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the Maginot line. If I have to do it single handedly, I will make sure the French never forget that abomination.

by nolander on Nov 4, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

I’m a huge WWI and WWII “buff” (I want to retire and teach classes revolving around their history), and I am still shocked at the Maginot Line. How? Who the hell would’ve ever thought it would be a good idea? Tanks had been in battle, and strategies were starting to move toward mobility (in some zones) by the end of the war. All parties, especially the Germans, were starting to see the futility of battles of attrition (looking at you, von Falkenhayn). Then there was the evolution of air warfare. Just stupid.

It would be the football equivalent of lining up your defense in a field goal formation with only DTs on the field.

To make my point: I want somebody to suck my popsicle, dammit!

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