Behind The Numbers: A Quick Look At The Texans' Defense
by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2009 10:47 AM CST
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In this thread, TexasHoosier made a claim that, call him crazy, but he believes the secondary is playing pretty well, Dunta aside. I started looking at the pure, raw numbers, ready to call him crazier than...than....well, crazier than a Texans fan, but I figured that was too cruel. Turns out, the more I dove into the raw numbers, the more interesting the argument.
SPECIAL NOTE: No fancy math used. I don't have time after putting together the numbers, and I just want to get something posted.
Looking at the RAW numbers (emphasis on raw), we've gone from a historically bad defensive football team the first three games of the year to, dare I say, about average?
Here's how we have progressed against the run:
Above, positive numbers are bad for us and negative numbers are good. This is looking at how teams did against our rush defense versus their yearly average. For the year, we've held opponents to 43 yards below their average, or a pretty negligible difference of about 4 yards per game. The biggest problem I see here are pretty massive fluctuations, signaling we lack consistency on stopping the run on a game-by-game basis. However, the trend is definitely positive. We're doing a decent job against the run, and this is reflected by our mid-season winning streak between the Oakland and Buffalo games (Arizona excepted).
Here we are versus the pass:
As with above, positive numbers are bad for our defense and negative are good. I was pretty shocked when I ran these numbers, to be honest. For the first seven games of the season, our pass defense was a sieve. The first two games were ugly, and Jacksonville didn't need to bother passing. Oakland, of course, is Oakland. Then Kurt Warner, Carson Palmer, and Alex Smith (!!!) enjoyed nice games against us. Starting with Ryan Fitzpatrick, we've turned things around from a secondary full of holes to one that's not too bad.
Yes, I feel it necessary to not say great or even average. The BE-SFs are clearly a different team with VY at QB, and Indy still dropped 35 on us in the last three quarters. But yes, we are improving. Here's the big picture:
Overall, we are doing a better job keeping our opponents in check. But two huge factors stick out. First:
While we are consistently forcing at least one turnover a game, we need to do more. Also, I find it interesting that, in the beginning of the year, we were forcing fumbles. Now, we are forcing interceptions. I believe this is in large part due to the philosophy of the teams we are playing and when. My conclusion is that teams had success rushing the ball against us early in the year and are now trying to throw more.
The other factor, and to me, it's huge, is our miserable 19 sacks. This is clearly a poor number, ranking us third from the bottom in the league.
Remember that super aggressive defense we were promised by Frank Bush? I don't see it, either. Upgrades at SLB, SS, CB2, and an improved Amobi Okoye seem to be having a greater effect on our improvement than the scheme. And when watching our coverage scheme, I still think I'm watching Richard Smith.
I also can't help but believe that our schedule - we've only played three of the top 10 offenses in our 12 games - is helping cover other problems.
Nevertheless, the improvement on defense is something, and after years of Richard Smith's ineptitude, and this season gone down the tubes, I'll take the improvement and hope there's much more around the corner.
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by riversmccown on Dec 13, 2009 3:58 AM CST up reply actions
And I can see that
When you consider we’d played worst against the Jets, BE-SFs, and Jax, but best against Oakland and Buffalo, it makes sense in addition to our weak schedule. FO is measuring relative strength, after all, and it’s not like we’ve shut down New Orleans or somebody. We shut down Oakland and Buffalo.
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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
and the rest of the league only plays against top 5 offenses
give me a number between 1 and 32 where we could finish as a defense relative to the rest of the league where you would say, damn, that Bush really turned this ship around.
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Good post BFD
While I’d agree that we could use more takeaways, I’d much prefer if the offense could take care of the ball better to improve out turnover ratio of -1.
Not only is our QB pressure abysmal (although according to profootballfocus, the big problem with that is Antonio Smith), but we allow 4.6 rushing yards per carry, which is among the league worst. We’re simply not making any plays in the backfield and I wonder why that is.
Finally, while it is true we have Dunta getting toasted…the rest of the DBs are surprisingly decent. If we had a true lockdown, #1 CB….we could up the the passing defense from 14th overall to top 10 easy
you've turned a corner since the Raiders game
I’m glad to see the stats being used to show something other than the Texans having a bad defense.
I don’t put a lot of weight in stats, I would rather look at our performance game by game, but I would love to see us finish in the top 10 in defense, for many reasons.
Bush is most definitely getting more pressure this season. It is not turning into sacks, but pressure nonetheless. Look at the sack last weekend where all four of our DL were on top of Garrard. I don’t recall that ever happening. Almost like we were better than the other team on that play!
And regarding the picks/turnovers, beefy will be proud of me, Dunta and McCain need to just catch the ball. Sometimes the players need to step it up for the coach and make a play. Right beefy?
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I would say Brown’s execution of the play is my #1 beef with that play, followed by the play call itself, then the blockers execution.
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Leach was so bad that play
So bad. Plenty of suck to go around.
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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Chris Brown's Execution
I’m in favor of it.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Dec 10, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
nope
just sarcasm. pure sarcasm.
I’m gonna stick with bad call and bad execution.
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damn
I banned myself from commenting on that play, but I just keep getting sucked back in.
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Ain't this like the third time you've commented on the play
after you said you weren’t gonna comment on them anymore?
Next time you do it, you’re banned.
And im also gonna send Bernard Pollard to tackle the piss out of you.
Not to hijack the thread but....
Is that a picture of NDAMAKONG SUH!!?! (Or however you spell his name)
I am willing to trade pretty much anything to move up and get him in the draft. He is exactly what our defense needs.
What a great name for a lineman….
As for the article, I have to agree that only playing a few good offenses is making our D look better than it is.
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Agreed...
as soon as I saw him throw Mccoy to the ground about 10 times, I thought, he needs to be a Texan.
GO TEXANS!!!!
Our time will come...
by Texanmaniac on Dec 10, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I hate trading up...
…but I’d get over the hate quickly for Suh. Kid makes plays in the backfield.
Personally, I think we have a shot at Eric Barry dropping a bit thanks to Suh and the QBs….I’d love to see Barry in Houston.
No No No
We should never trade up. Ever. Ever. Ever. Not even to get Patrick Willis, who has mastered time travel and cloning and is going to enter himself into next year’s draft.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 11, 2009 4:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We should definitely trade up.
So we can take Jermaine Grisham with our first pick then trade back up to the first round to get Garrett Graham!
You can never have too many TE’s.
No no no, Jordan
That don’t play multiple positions.
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Why would you want a TE that doesn't play multiple positions?
Didn’t you love that Thor can play fullback, TE and LS and that Connor Barwin is a DE that can play TE?
I dunno I think you guys arent giving them enough credit for the improvement they have made since the first part of the season, or the injuries they have had to endure. The #1 issue for me is the pressure from the front 4, if they get more pressure it would make our DBs look that much better. I think part of it is Mario’s injury, the other part is the development of Barwin coming off the edge.
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One other big factor
We suck at blitzing. Period. We don’t disguise it well, and we don’t often create additional pressure when we do. I’m almost scared to blitz lest Dunta is left 1-on-1 on a WR.
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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
we dont disguise it at all. Also a problem I have with it, is they like to blitz with Ryans or Cushing when there is a running back in the backfield. So the RB just picks up the one blitzer and and the o line puts a hat on a hat. So nothing happens. Its gay as fuck. Sent the corner on one side with the LB up the middle, sent the safety with a LB. Seriously if your blitz isnt in the QBs face in 2 seconds, its fail.
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by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Precisely
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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I think thats what
Reggie Wayne was talkin about when he said he knows what we’re doing on every play.
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After watching last game's tape
I’ll take my chances with Dunta 1-on-1 as opposed to his “blitzing”
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by riversmccown on Dec 13, 2009 4:00 AM CST up reply actions
heh
I didn’t like it when I first saw it. Maybe I should give it another shot.
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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Here is something that should get noted...
…how many times has the offense turned the ball over on their own side of the field? How many times have we seen the defense deal with the short field?
We’re not a great defense, but the defense is holding it’s own.
Opponents Total Yards vs. Average Chart
In two of the four games we’ve given up more than the league average, we won, including our worst performance.
I think Cody could push us into a defensive juggernaut!
Mount Cody in round 1
those stats don't take into account...
how pitiful our secondary is on “big” plays. 3rd down and 3, we need the ball back. or, we turned the ball over, so we need a turnover… and they score. numbers don’t really mean shit, but i think the # of cunta’s PI calls speaks for itself.
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I agree.
The front seven gets all fired up after a huge stop or tackle for a loss then on a 3 and 13, the opposing team converts that third down because the secondary forgot how to tackle or because of a PI.
14th rank against pass yds allowed and 18th ranked against pass TD’s allowed don’t mean shit to me.
How about...
The first Colts game. Our offense pops a squat and takes a shit on the goal-line at the end of the first half. Manning gets the ball back, then our defense promptly forces a turnover and hands our offense a field-goal.
At the end of that same game, our offense fucks up again. The defense forces a quick three-and-out to give them the ball back, and they blow it with a missed field goal.
How about the start of the Buffalo game? The offense turns the ball over three times in the first quarter, yet we go into the half down 10-6.
Against Indy? Another two turnovers in the first quarter, yet they keep Manning and co. in check and give us a great chance to win that game.
Overall, the defense looks bad statistically. That’s a result of a rough start (first three weeks), and terrible turnovers by the offense that put the defense on a short field. But when it comes to crunch time, the defense has done its job relatively well, whereas the offense has blown it about 5/6 times.
by Nashmeister on Dec 10, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'd argue that the defense doesn't look bad...
but more average statistically (and actually, they’re comparable to Indy and NO in yards and points allowed), but I do think I now see what you were saying in another thread about this season’s shortcomings falling a little more on the offense.
the OFFENSE missed the field goal?
seems like someone is reaching a bit to make their point….
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I agree
Cushing can’t kick worth a shit
Mount Cody in round 1
he did win the
punt, pass, and kick contest in 3rd grade.
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The offense scored 17 points.
Whether it’s the two missed field-goals, the two interceptions, or the fumble on the goal line, the offense came up short on a day when our defense held one of the best offenses in football in check. But even ignoring that, the point being made is that the defense has made plays and stops when they’ve needed to.
by Nashmeister on Dec 10, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
it goes both ways.
third down… CJ wide open TD, vs tenn. next week vs jags, 3rd down, ball at the 3, we give up a 97 yd. TD. vs the colts,3rd down, conner lined up offsides. and plenty of other plays. our d is better than last year, but we still shit ourselves at the worst possible times. that’s the only point i was making. we do force a lot of 3 and outs tho. if we had better #1 corner, we would be a top 5 defense.
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by chrisd21 on Dec 12, 2009 12:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Would take more research
But an excellent point.
We are currently 18th in giving up 3rd down conversions by percent. We’ve committed a league 2nd worst 27 penalties leading to a first time. That’s pretty amazing.
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We're also near tops in the league in three-and-outs.
And pretty respectable in forced turnovers.
Our defensive statistics are a mixed bag. But to liken this defense to Richard Smith’s is silly. We never ever got off the field last year. This year, we’re consistently giving the ball back to our offense and putting them in a good position to succeed.
by Nashmeister on Dec 10, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
A first time?
How come Busing still looks so virginal?
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by riversmccown on Dec 13, 2009 4:01 AM CST up reply actions
With the exception...
of Jacksonville most recently when we needed to stop MJD at the end of the game. It’s not like they didn’t know what was coming and they had been stopping him well all day. Tackle the bowling ball already for goodness sake.
Just think back a year or two
Greenwood
weaver
buchanon
cc brown
I think I will leave the d alone
but the o with the turnovers and yards between the tackles is killing us
by AllenOU on Dec 10, 2009 3:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
My 2 cents since is seems this post was brought on by my comments
I never said the Texans secondary was playing “pretty well,” I said they are playing better than we were giving them credit for and that was due to the hatred of Dunta and the lack of INTs and big plays. I think the stats and actually play show that we dont have ball hawks in the secondary and everyone knows that Dunta has been sucking it up.
At the beginning of the season we had a very young defense and a 1st year DC. Obviously, the signing of Bernard Pollard was an extremely smart move and has helped the defense tremendously, and it could be argued he has been the best Texan defender this season. With the young defense and inexperienced DC we had trouble doing anything the first 3 weeks. Since then, we signed Pollard and everyone has gotten more experience playing with each other. Im not a huge fan of Bush as I feel that he does not have good blitz schemes and runs zone too much in the secondary. The lack of a good blitz, coupled with the lack of consistent pressure by the front 4 has put extra pressure on the secondary. IMO they have played well for what they have had to deal with, injuries, Dunta, and Pollard coming in during the season. The whole point of what I was saying in that thread was that we were underrating our secondary, and I guess with this post they are getting a little more recognition on this site, which is what I wanted.
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You misspelled "Suh."
You WERE talking about the overhyped player, that plays a position we don’t need, right?
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I have to admit
I love Suh. He’s a badass. But you’re right in that he’s not what we need.
I hate it when you’re right.
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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 11, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not very well versed on the difference between UT and NT
and I assume Suh is a UT, which is Okoye’s postition?
But from what I’ve heard about Suh is his body composition at his 293 lbs is more muscle than similar weighted tackles.
If thats true, would adding 20 lbs of fat make the dude a better run stopper, or is he just flat undersized to be effective at that position?
And have there been any dominating NT’s < 300lbs recently?
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The problem with 20+ pound weight gain
is that you may negate his speed and acceleration.
He’s a strong dude who can collapse pockets. He’s also quick enough to get to the lineman first and stand him up more often than not. I know the NFL is filled with better players than the college level, but Suh often goes through, not by, people.
The thing is what happens if these massive guards get their hands on him first…is he strong enough to counter with moves? Or will he get pushed around just enough?
See: Slaton, Steve
The problem with 20+ pound weight gain
is that you may negate his speed and acceleration.
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by TexasHoosier on Dec 11, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
It really boils down to mass and holding down a gap...
Even in the face of double teams.
What makes Albert Haynesworth so effective, and game changing is that not only can he hold his spot, but he can penetrate and drive doubleteams back into the backfield. Hey, if a 290 lb. cat can do that, I’m all for it, but history has shown that a true NT needs to be around 330+.
I don’t mean to hate on Suh, because he is a badass. But he’s a badass pro 3-technique, and not an NT. Watch film, and you’ll likely see the same type of highlights from Okoye, Cody, and Robinson in college.
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got that part
now put 37 lbs of fat on the guy, just for mass purposes, and if he’s still proportionate to the other NT’s as far as body fat percentage, doesn’t he fit?
Get him on the cheeseburger diet, and make him a $100mil superstar.
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Perhaps, but...
True NT’s are a pretty rare breed, which tells me that it isn’t just about being big. Hell, Okam’s big, but he either hasn’t figured out how to use his size, or he just doesn’t have what it takes to compete as a pro. He’s still young, though, so there’s always a chance.
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I think Suh's best bet
is to be a 3-4 DE.
Suh and Cody aren’t giving you the same type of highlights. Cody’s plays are more of him taking on multiple blockers where Suh is blowing up his man in the hold.
I like Cody
the 6’5" helps imo, and I’ve seen him play. He’s good.
Mount Cody in round 1
I think out of all the DTs
Cody’s what the Texans could use the most. I worry a little about the talk that Cody is lazy, but I think a guy like Bernard Pollard would knock the piss out of anyone lazy.
he just has to
occupy a double team on 1st and second down.
Doesn’t sound that labor intensive.
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Oh I know that
but in the NFL we’ve seen guys with lazy reputations and what happens if they don’t shed it (JaMarcus Russell). I dunno if he’s lazy or not, but I do know that some personalities in that locker room won’t stand for it. I like that there are some guys who are vocally stepping up.
I meant Shaun Cody...
OUR Cody presently. Highlights of him at USC.
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QB pressure and INTs go hand in hand.
Good pressure forces quick, ill-sighted throws.
We won’t get Suh, but maybe the Texans can grab Cody or Suh to boost their DL. If not, then there’s Barry and Haden for the DBs.
Since we already have Barwin
I think Cody fits well, since the knock on him is he’ll be a two down NT. Cool with me, Barwin plays on passing downs anyway.
Mount Cody in round 1
Our rushing defense would be sick if we could get a quality rush stopping NT. That and a healthy Mario and a young improving(hopefully) Barwin could give me the line I’ve always wanted.
and an upgrade at Will
and we’d reach the point of no excuses.
Oh, and two starting DB’s.
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I'm just repeating
what I read here.
Based on what I read, he’s terrible.
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In case you haven't realized.
Im kidding. He’s terrible. He was at SLB and dare I say even worse at WLB.
yeah, I got it
I just didn’t want to take credit for it.
I can see Busing’s disaster, but Diles’ doesn’t seem obvious to me, but I’ll take y’alls word for it.
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Gotcha.
When Matt started developing his man-crush on Morlon Greenwood, I started paying more attention to him to see what the fuzz was all about. Apparently there’s none because Morlon Greenwood is out of the league, and is currently working on his debut album….
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MDC and I discussed last night...
how Eric Berry in the draft, Casey Hampton – Terrence McGee (or any other available CB1 that’s not Cunta) – and an actual Center in FA would give quite a few boners to us fans, and quite a bit of improvement to this roster.
Being out of cap hell, and all… this is quite possible.
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I like your plan Beefy.
And you haven’t even touched on the fact that this draft is pretty deep and we could fill several needs.
Very possible…very, very possible.
Oh yeah... That was like worst case scenario right there.
Bare minimum.
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I love Berry
I’ve heard he projects better to DB in the NFL, but wherever we put him, the dude can flat play.
And did you just list a safety as a draft choice? In fact, your ONLY draft choice?
I’ll have to look back at who was the guy on this site that blasted me for suggesting such a thing.
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yup, but
doesn’t matter, CB or S.
According to me, they are both position of need.
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Agree, but...
to nitpick your comment, and show the confusion:
“I’ve heard he projects better to DB in the NFL”
You see… He’s already a DB now, so this comment is confusing.
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Unless by DB he is referencing DoucheBag.
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by TexansForever on Dec 11, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Could be DimeBag, too...
But Chrisd21 would’ve sniffed it out long ago.
And yes, I do realize you were probably taking a jab at me.
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lol I actually WASN'T taking a jab at you.
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by TexansForever on Dec 11, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
no Eric Berry
would not be a DoucheBag in the NFL.
He would improve our free safety position and our defense as a whole.
And yes, I get it too.
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I agree. I know I’m one of the fellas who would rather get a CB then another safety in the first if thats what it comes down to. If Berry is available then you have to take him, but I think we have 2 starting caliber safeties, and we have a number 2 and nickle corner in reeves and quinn, but we lack a proper #1 CB. I would rather try to pick up a safety in the 4th to backup wilson, or find a way to keep Quinn as a CB unless Wilson goes down and then have him play FS.
That all sounds good
It seems like a perennial need for us at CB, so lets just take them 1-2 and maybe be deep at that position.
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Florida's Haden
is projected to be the 1st CB gone. After that, 1st round depth isn’t the greatest for CBs.
I’d love to see Houston take Boise St CB Kyle Wilson in the 3rd round. I really like him as a #2 or 3 if we signed a CB in free agency.
yup my bad
I’m not that smart.
now respond to your hypocrisy about my choice of a Safety in the draft and your choice of Safety in the draft.
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I don't follow...
I’m all for taking Berry, if he were to drop to us. Mainly because I know we’re not going to improve much by attempting to get a CB1 in the draft, which is where the hole is. I’d rather address that in the FA market, Godwilling.
Were a solid CB1 candidate fall to us in the draft, I would have no problem keeping our current safeties, though, and trying to also get a McGee or the like for a couple of years while that guy develops into a true CB1. That’s not a position that I’d want to rely completely on a rook, whereas I think working Berry in with Wilson would work easier.
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So, yes... ANY top DB will work.
I just needed clarification on which position you were talking about, as it seemed you were trying to be specific.
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you don't follow?
I assume you’ll stipulate that we would have to draft a safety in round one in order to land said Eric Berry, correct?
So in a post a few days ago I said we should draft a safety in the first round, and here was your response:
“SAFETY? Seriously??
Still in that camp, eh?
Not only do the other positions you listed trump Safety as a need, but CB and C do too.
I mean… draft or sign a safety, by all means, so we don’t have to trot Busing or Brian Russell out there ever, but there’s no way Safety should be above any of those other positions, in terms of need.
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by beefy on Dec 8, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs"
Did I completely change your mind, or do you have that short of a memory?
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Yeah, I remember those days...
I salute you, sir. Actually, yeah… that was before I really started thinking about what the draft would actually start looking like, and before MDC mentioned the possibility of snagging Hampton in FA.
I came to the conclusion that the NT and CB holes were going to have to be filled in FA, so that left us open to a BPA scenario in the draft, which would be Mr. Berry.
Now, I’ll completely stick to my guns in that Safety is not in the top holes that need to be filled, so by a NEEDS perspective, drafting Berry in #1 goes against the notion of immediate hole-filling. There’s just no telling what kind of C/G is gonna be there, and Berry is a known commodity, for me anyway.
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Berry as a Texan
would likely mean an extension for Kubiak in 2010, imo.
I think we’ll get close, but unless there’s a run on something else, he’s a top 10 dude. I don’t see us in the top 10.
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Draft CB1
You are right that they probably wouldn’t be a big impact right away.
If we can’t get Barry I would love for us to get Mays. I think playing in front of another great group of LBs and being reunited with his good pal Cushing would amp his game back up.
If Berry falls to the Texans...
My brain will explode. I think he is one of, if not the, best players in the draft. Like top 3 good. We are probably picking 15th. If something happens that he falls to us I will go ballistic. I don’t want Taylor Mays. Its totally awesome that he is huge and fast, but in 4 years he has had 5 interceptions, 1 forced fumble, 0 sacks, in 4 years. In 3 years, Berry has 14 interceptions (3 td), 2 ff, and 3 sacks. I know that doesn’t really mean anything, but with Mays’ physical tools and the talent he is surrounded with, he should be able to make more big plays.
More likely for the Texans are Reshad Jones(S, UGA), Earl Thomas (S, UT), Joe Haden (CB, UF), Trevard Lindley (CB, UK), Terrance Cody (NT, Bama), and Dan Williams (NT, Tennessee). Not really any first round guard prospects
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