The Thief Of The 2009 Season: The Running Game
The 2009 season for the Houston Texans has been wildly inconsistent and disappointing. For the third straight year, they find themselves looking at a 6-7 record and possibly a third consecutive .500 season. Although the numbers in the W and L columns are the same, the way they got there is different.
Back in the offseason, many Texans fans speculated that even a slightly improved defense, combined with the impressive offense, would catapult this team directly into the playoffs. Since the record is the same, the casual observer would assume that the defense failed to make this minor improvement, but they'd be wrong. Frank Bush's defensive squad is currently ranked 13th in total defense thus far after finishing 22nd last year.
So what gives? Matt Schaub is having a career year and doing his best to shake to "injury prone" description commonly associated with him. Andre Johnson is again leading the league in receiving yards and has equaled his touchdown total from last year. There's only one possibility left--the run game.
Last year Steve Slaton was seriously considered for the title of Offensive Rookie of the Year. 1,659 all-purpose yards made General Manager Rick Smith look like a genius for drafting Slaton in the third round despite widespread belief that he was too small to be an every-down back. This week Slaton was placed on the injured reserve with 437 rushing yards and 3.3 yards per attempt, a full yard and a half down from his average of 2008.
Slaton's sophomore slump was mostly mental prior to his season-ending neck injury. Slaton didn't show the conviction to hit holes when they appeared and also lost 7 fumbles in just 11 games. To put it all on Slaton would be unfair though. As of last week, Slaton had 40 more receiving yards than last year, averaging 15 more yards through the air per game than he did last season. The increased involvement of Slaton in the passing game was an attempt to get Slaton out in space, a strategy made necessary because of a lack of holes to run through.
Alex Gibbs is widely considered one of the best positional coaches in all of the NFL. Wherever he has coached offensive lines throughout his career, the rushing attacks have been good to dominant, including the Texans last year. The entire Texans offensive line starting all 16 games last year was a phenomenon that was new to even him, however, and that continuity allowed those players to gel and produce fantastic results down the stretch.
The line has not been so lucky with injuries this year. Left guard Chester Pitts was placed on the injured reserve after Week 2, and right guard Mike Brisiel followed after Week 5. The team wasn't exactly dominating the line of scrimmage in those initial games of the season, but two of the four 100 yard rushing games came during that period. By way of comparison, the Texans rushed for 100 yards in all but five games in 2008.
Chester Pitts will be an unrestricted free agent following this year. As long as it is determined that he is healthy, he needs to be re-signed at all costs. His and Brisiel's absence has highlighted how substandard Chris Myers is at the center position. Myers continually loses at the point of attack while run blocking. If you want to see for yourself, watch him block throughout the Seattle game to see opposing defensive tackles push him aside. Then watch rookie Antoine Caldwell in the one play after Myers is hurt push his man five yards down the field.
That brings me to my next point. Why isn't Caldwell getting a shot at center? Myers not only loses regularly while run blocking, but he continues to have issues with larger defensive tackles while in pass protection. Myers is a great story, going from a practice squad to starting every game last year, but without good to great guards to help him, he is simply too small to be effective.
Another factor that has adversely affected the Texans in general this year, especially in the run game, is a lack of depth. Once Slaton started his mental problems, Gary Kubiak had Chris Brown, Arian Foster and Ryan Moats to rely on, which is woefully inadequate. Furthermore, Kasey Studdard and Chris White might not be terrible guards but when both are thrust into the lineup at the same time next to an inferior center, bad things will happen. All the same, an acquisition of a more quality interior lineman for next year couldn't hurt.
One last aspect that cannot be overlooked is the absence of Owen Daniels. Obviously Matt Schaub misses him as a target, but a tight end that can run routes and catch as well as run block is an enormous benefit for the run game. Daniels has deceiving blocking ability but his prolific talent as a receiver keeps a linebacker or a safety from attacking the line of scrimmage automatically. Both offensive tackles Duane Brown and Eric Winston have played well this year, but if OD clears out a linebacker, that frees one of them to get to the next level in order to block downfield.
Keep in mind how inconsistent this team has been this year. The Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde halves, the fourth quarter collapses...they can all be partially attributed to the lack of running success. The Texans have been successful converting 3rd or 4th and 2 yards or less 64% of the time running to the right, and a terrible 44% running up the middle. No matter how successful you are with the pass, if you continually live by the sword, you will eventually die by the sword. Take for example Matt Schaub's 13 interceptions. That sounds a little high until you take into account that equals one INT for every 36.4 attempts. That's still a little high, but when opposing defenses know that you have to pass to move the ball whether you have a lead or not, it stacks the deck against you.
Gary Kubiak has come under intense scrutiny because of game situations that have cost the Texans several games near the end. This season, Kubiak finally got a better defense, only to lose his running game. Last year's average of 115 yards per game would be the fourth best rushing output for this year's team. I'm trying to avoid the apologist angle, but if the running game was even close to last year's, I don't think that we would be discussing the jeopardy of Kubiak's future in Houston. Even yesterday's offensive outpouring included only 85 yards on the ground. In my opinion, Bob McNair should worry more about the replacement of a few offensive linemen and running backs, rather than a head coach.
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Slaton's injury
I haven’t heard, but do we have any idea how long Slaton’s neck was injured and to what degree? That may have been the reason for his fumbling problems and reluctance to hit the hole all season. If his grip has been less tight and the pain of taking hits intimidating, we have the culprit. Or I may just be hoping Slaton’s situation is that easily identified.
I completely agree with you, Jake, about the line.
Slaton said it wasn't a season long issue
I dont know exactly what that means, but im assuming he’s saying it was not a contributor to the fubmlitis and reluctance to hit the hole. He stopped fumbling the last few games he played, and its more likely the injury was getting worse then which also does not coincide with the the earlier fumbles.
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by TexasHoosier on Dec 14, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
And he also said that he was a 100 percent ready to go every game.
I think that’s what contributed to the fumbilitis.
I see your reasoning
but it makes me wonder why his fumblitis disappeared some later in the season when one would think he was hurting more. I’m not saying either of us is right, its just a confuzzling situation.
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by TexasHoosier on Dec 14, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
What I think
It could have been a situation where two different issues were going against each other. Maybe he finally learned to hold the ball better, but at the same time, his issues with his neck was getting worse.
by footballfan412 on Dec 15, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
I just wrote this...
In the draft…if we’re picking 16-22 and there’s no good CB, S, or DT available….the Texans should consider drafting OG Mike Iupati or RB Jahvid Best – either could help the ground game.
Yes, the Texans have RBs, but look at Minnesota. Chester Taylor is a serviceable back, but Adrian Peterson is dynamic. Slaton and Best could be a nice duo.
Iupati is one of the best interior linemen in the draft. A lot of mock drafts have him going to 24-30, but if there’s no good defensive players available….why not trade back a little (grab an extra pick) and grab him?
Disagree about Jahvid Best
and this:
if we’re picking 16-22 and there’s no good CB, S, or DT available
Right now, there may not be a good CB, S, or DT available, but that will probably change before the draft, and depending on who you ask, there will be good CB, S, or DTs available.
As for Best, he is the same type of runner as Slaton, smaller, quick, and shifty. He is also coming off of a bad neck injury and could drop in the rankings. If we were drafting a running back in the first round, it should be Jonathan Dwyer, a bigger back who we could pair better with Slaton than someone who is a Slaton clone.
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by TexasHoosier on Dec 14, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry
apparently you know we’ll have a shot at a good CB, S, or DT if we’re picking 16-22…considering the CB and S positions are a bit thin in projected 1st rounders.
Dwyer in the first round? No one has him going in the 1st. He’s a 2nd/3rd round pick. Best’s probably not the best fit, I admit that, but he’ll likely go 1st round to someone.
Null and void, at least if Koobs/Shan/Gibbs return. I wouldn’t see them spending a 1st round choice on a running back (unless Mark Ingram falls into their laps). Otherwise we will be more likely to fill holes on the lines, and/or at DB. Mid round RBs can usually be developed more quickly than some of those other spots, and there is a long history of it in our system.
Everyone will agree that this run game needs more depth.
any given Sunday
Mark Ingram is a true sophomore
It would literally take a miracle for him to be in the draft.
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by TexasHoosier on Dec 14, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
I heard Gary Danielson
propose that if this is an uncapped year, all players currently in college should be allowed a one time reprieve and be eligible for the draft regardless of class.
Then Tim Tebow started tickling him and he giggled uncontrollably, so they had to cut him off.
Mount Cody in round 1
And apparently you know we wont have a shot at a good CB, S, or DT
but the fact is neither of us know because it depends on where we are drafting, who enters the draft, and how the combine/other draft related activities affect each player.
Like Cut Block says, I think its unlikely that we draft a RB in the first round given the current state of the O-Line. If no good CB, FS, or DT are available when we draft, I believe we will trade down to accumulate more talent as opposed to the best talent that might not fit our team.
"Every time you turn on ESPN you see Bama" - Earl Thomas' answer when asked what excites him most about the National Championship.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 14, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
I don't...
but at 16-22, it’d be unlikely (current state with no underclassmen).
I agree with that thought. I’d see us trading back to 25-30 and adding another pick or two. Even if they can’t get a defensive player, I would applaud a move to improve our interior offensive line. It’s not a sexy pick, but the ability to run the football would make that “conservative, we have the lead” offense effective. Good teams have to be able to run the football when they need to.
the ability to run the football would make that "conservative, we have the lead" offense effective.
It would also make the “running game” offense effective, that is, if they get the right guy for the interior offensive line.
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by TexasHoosier on Dec 14, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
(Potential) First rounders:
DT: Suh (NU), Cody (Bama), McCoy (OUsucks), Williams (Tenn)
CB: Haden (UF), Warren (UM), Dowling (UVA), Ghee (Wake)
S: Berry (Tenn), Mays (USC), Thomas (UT)
That’s 11 players. Throw in the three QBs certain to go in the top 22 (Clausen, Bradford, Locker), the OTs almost certain to go before 22 (Okung, Campbell, Bulaga, Brown), plus various guys who have a good shot to go in the first 22 (McClain, Morgan, Hardy, Bryant, Spiller, Spikes, Mallett, Griffen) and it’s mathematically likely that at least 3-4 of the first list not named Suh/Berry/McCoy/Haden will be on the board between 16-22.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Dec 15, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd be surprised
if Thomas came out after his sophomore season (albeit it is his 3rd year postHS).
aside from that, I acknowledge defeat.
You could be right.
The only reason I think he might is I’ve seen a lot of mocks that have him around the top 15. It would be hard to say no to that, especially if you go out on top with a nat. championship.
Yay, sports.
No Snead in that 22?
Puzzling.
Actually, most draft talk is silly before we find out what we do in the FA market. Getting a Hampton and/or CB1 in FA changes all kinds of shit about shit.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I love...
that Bradford, despite missing almost all the season, and Tebow, despite being a total douchelicker, and possibly even McCoy, despite being (as Wade said) “a fucking midget,” could ALL go before Snead. This makes me happy.
Good point on draft talk, obviously. I’d sell your left nut for Hampton.
Yay, sports.
From what I read over at In the Bullseye
We could well have about $40 million in cap space next year. Can we sign DeMeco and OD and bring in Hampton for that kind of money and still have money left to build the depth that we need? Would it be worth it?
I’m not really sure. What if we dump a ton of money on Hampton and he goes Kris Jenkins on us?
It’s all hypothetical, I know. But it’s worth thinking about our priorities.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ballpark Figures.
The average salary of the top five highest paid linebackers in the NFL is $7.5 mil.
That’s the base salary+signing bonus+incentives. Im assuming that DeMeco is going to want top 5 money. So it’s looking like(to me) that if we sign DeMeco, he would count for about a 1/4 give and take of that $40 mil. That’s gonna suck.
Disclaimer: These figures are nothing but assumptions on my part.
I'd like the Texans to create a team that doesn't run out sub-replacement level players all over the field
Before they worry about signing Hampton.
You can use the draft to get the stars. Make sure we never have to run Studdard or Busing out there again.
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by riversmccown on Dec 15, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
This is kind of what I was getting at
But I wanted to hear what others thought. Because I’m a bandwagon-jumping kind of guy.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
From my observations, he's worse than Myers
He’s 71st of 76 at Pro Football Focus, as iffy as I am on them as a whole.
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by riversmccown on Dec 15, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Just hope that we dont face another
3rd and Goal on the one yard line.
Because there’s just no way that we’re gonna punch the ball in for the score.
And on top of that, I dont even know if we can really on Kris Brown to kick a field goal anymore.
SMH.
Draw. Pitch. Screen. Sweep. Slant. PA.
We’ve been alright in the red zone, I think. Especially for a team with no running game.
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by riversmccown on Dec 15, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
We need to get some depth as well. Especially in the Secondary and the O-Line.
Hopefully we can get some serviceable backups in FA.
Big names are nice, but the NFL is a marathon, not a sprint.
You better have some good depth or you are going nowhere. And we have horrible depth.
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by TexansForever on Dec 15, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I find it odd that Dowling would be a potential 1st rounder
If he came out, but his team’s #1 CB from last year (Chris Cook 6’2" 210 lbs) is rated at around the 30-35th best CB in the draft… I think either Dowling is seriously overated or Cook is seriously underated, or a little bit of both. Dowling is a good CB don’t get me wrong, but there’s no way there’s that much seperation between the two.
Iupati is a monster OG
What a steal it would be if the Texans could score him wherever they are picking in the first round. The report is that he is huge but he can also pull. What a boost he would be towards the running game and I suspect not bad for the passing game either.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I have been seeing Iupati falling into our laps in the 2nd on walters. Don’t forget what happened last year to Mack and Unger, everyone thought one or both would be gone in the first and they fell to the 2nd.
Looking at walters 2009 draft board...
proves that mock drafting is no exact science. Iupati probably does not fit into the zone-blocking mentality, so it is probably purely misplaced thinking on my part that the Texans would take a big guard like Iupati.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Depends on if Kubes is fired or not. Of course if that happens who knows what the drafting philosophy will be next year.
I was thinking of that as I was typing my words
All indications are, Coach Kubiak will be back next year. Key players have stated in public places that they have bought in. I think that will rule the day. So, I have to get used to the continuation of the zone-blocking scheme in the draft thinking for this off-season. I like big guys on the O-Line, just isn’t going to happen, I have to come to realize…
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Linemen-both sides
Id like either an Offensive lineman or Defensive one
I'm beginning to wonder
If the real question isn’t: “Has Alex Gibbs jumped the shark” but rather: “Has the Zone Blocking System jumped the shark?”
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2009 4:19 AM CST reply actions
I would say...
Most definitely. The wealth of new 3-4 defenses plays a part in that I think (sort of a rock-paper-scissors dynamic there). But when something is effective for so long, people generally start to build their teams around stopping it. We might have picked it up at a bad time.
I think it can still work
It was just a few years ago (when 3-4 defenses were becoming fairly popular) that the Atlanta Falcons were the #1 rushing offense in the league with a zone blocking scheme. I think the problem is that we’re in the 2nd year of the Gibb’s regime with quite a few holdovers from the old system. We’re not quite as athletic or efficient with cut blocks as we need to be in order for it to really pay off. That’s also why i’m not big on drafting a guard early in the draft even though we surely need guards, a 1st round guard is almost surely going to be the giant lumbering monster type, which is awesome for over 90% of the teams in the league…, unfortunately we’re in the minority. What we need are the quicker, more athletic linemen who can move in space, typically they’re the “smallish” type, unless there happens to be a 320 lb monster guard with freakish athletic ability (in this case i’d definitely consider him in the 1st). Most of these linemen can be found in the middle to late rounds in the draft and be just as good for us as those lumbering giants are for the teams that pick them up early as has been shown in Gibbs’ stints in Denver and Atlanta.
Nash hit on it...
I think the defensive schemes that are most popular right now (not counting luddites running some kind of uninspired base 4-3…what?)—the 3-4, the Jim Johnson one-gap 4-3, and the Rex Ryan/Pats 3-4/4-3 Hybrid—all have the effect of limiting the efficacy of a zone blocking system. Gibbs’ scheme is predicated on getting the defense (esp. the defensive line) flowing in one direction to set up the cutbacks, etc. If I run a defense out there that says “fuck you, I don’t give two shits which way you flow, we’re coming upfield on the snap” you lose a huge chunk of the ZBS’ appeal. Additionally, if I can implement that kind of forward-moving attack in a 3-4 with the personnel the Jets had in the middle (Jenkins, Scott, Harris), your ZBS linemen have to respect the quickness with which we are getting into your backfield, so they can’t flow quite as quickly without giving my interior guys a free run at the ball/QB/RB. Your line better seal the edge with perfection and you better have Chris Johnson speed at RB if you are going to let me blow up the middle like that on every snap.
Ironically, the defense that the ZBS works best against would be one like ours. I know, theoretically, we are more aggressive and not read-and-react, but it doesn’t take Monte Kiffin to see that there’s a difference between our version of aggressive and Johnson/McDermott’s 4-3. Against a 4-3 Under like ours, a ZBS team knows with reasonable certainty (a) where all the personnel will be pre-snap on each play and (b) that we are almost certainly not going to try to bring two LBs up the middle. With those pieces in place, I can use traditional (relatively speaking) ZBS techniques to create holes in both the inside and outside zone.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Dec 15, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I think that’s one of the reasons that the most consistently effective run play that we’ve had all season is the pitch to the left, or even the swing pass to Andre or screen on that side. I know the last two aren’t run plays exactly, but they’re designed to gain the same result and fall into that “run by short pass” that the Pats used to use so much.
I think what Matt was talking about with penetrating defenses is one of the reasons that those plays to the left have worked so well because it puts most of the defenders in the backfield and therefore behind the play. The other reason is Duane Brown. He has improved this year as a pass blocker, but he is exceptional at getting out on those plays and blocking in space.
You know... for kids.
That's true
Gibb’s lines have always struggled running against large and aggressive defensive fronts, but those large and aggressive defensive fronts expose themselves to other facets of the offense when they take the “push up field no matter what” approach. This offense doesn’t become stagnant when the running game isn’t effective, because the running game is effective when defenses are forced to do this as Schaub will then scorch them with throws underneath all day long. Our problem this year is that we’re starting 2 backups at both guard positions and our center struggles against size and since he’s playing with backups, he’s not getting the help he needs. This scheme can run the ball effectively, and while the run game can be schemed against and taken out of the equation, doing so would open up our passing game even more usually.
Which begs the question
(although I think I misuse the term here), if there are an increasing number of defenses in this league against which the Zone Blocking Scheme is less effective (or put another way, if the scheme is not as universally effective as it once was) is it still safe to assume that it can lead a team to the Super Bowl? Even one not featuring Dennis Eckstein at center?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
You leave Dennis alone.
You can tell he wants that falcon.
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by riversmccown on Dec 15, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Big time
Falcons show up for big time falcon hunts.
It’s just that simple.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

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by riversmccown on Dec 15, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd!
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
you used it incorrectly. But that is neither here nor there. I’ve been pondering this quite a bit today since replying to your first comment and I think you’ve hit on something here. The odds of getting through the playoffs without facing at least one defense that makes sweet, sweet love to our faceholes is increasingly slim.
Which isn’t to say that a ZBS team /couldn’t/ do it. Merely that I think it’s becoming more and more likely that you are decreasing your chances by running a pure (read: Gibbsian) ZBS.
Yay, sports.
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For me incorrectly referring to a logical fallacy. I cry alone in my corner tonight.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'm in a giving mood.
I’ll give you a +1 for bringing up the ZBS discussion, just so you break even for the week.
Yay, sports.
Boy
All this free time has turned you into a softie!
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 16, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
how about this? CB or Earl Thomas in first, Toby “touchdown machine” Gerhart in 2nd, OG in 3rd, OG in 4th DT in free agency or CB or FS 1st, DT 2nd OG 3rd, OG 4th, Lendale White RB free agency
by big daddy texan#1 on Dec 15, 2009 7:45 AM CST reply actions
Iupati would be nice
oh…I already said that…
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Gerhart...
Is there a chance in hell that he last to the second round? I honestly don’t know. Will he be more FB in the league?
He very well could go back to school.
Harbaugh just re-signed. Why not take a stab at the Rose Bowl?
Gerhart can.
At the Heisman ceremony, when asked about returning, he said he would sit down and evaluate his draft status before deciding. He may be graduating, but he still has eligibility.
He also said
He was just concentrating on getting ready for the combine for now… That doesn’t mean he’s entering the draft, but I think it shows he’s seriously considering it. Do you think if Foster had the chance to go back and leave school early and be drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round rather than stay that extra year, struggle with new coach and injuries and end up an undrafted free agent that he wouldn’t do it? If he tests well at the combine and projects as a first day pick, i’d go pro were I him.., it’s not like he needs an extra year of college for his degree.
I think we could do well with Lendale White in 08 he had 773 yards and 15 TDs and is only 24 years old. Slaton and White nice combo.
by big daddy texan#1 on Dec 15, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply actions
This is his contract season.
He’s probably not wanting to re-sign with Tennessee as they’ve moved more to CJ and away from “Smash and Dash.”
He had 15 TDs a year ago, 1,110 yards 2 seasons ago, isn’t too fumble prone, and may very well get rid of short yardage and throwing specialist Chris Brown. He’s also a former Tit (some people won’t care, some will, and some will see him as possible information) and, if he’s a real football player, will have something to prove after getting brushed aside. With a quiet 2009, White may come cheap though, and he’s prove in short-yardage situations.
The issue is his history of being lazy (although he did lose 20-30 pounds this past offseason) and a bit of a headcase.
It’s an interesting idea.
In spite of all the "rumors" about Lendale White
He has always performed. I think coming to a locker room such as the Texans would be great for White’s career. I would have no problem knowing that he was once a Tit. I like Lendale White. Bring him here!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I don't like White
He has a history of struggling getting into and staying in playing shape, and has a history being a complainer on the sidelines. He’s not a terrible back, but we can do better, without all the drama and negativity he’d bring to the table the first time things don’t go his way here.
He scores touchdowns
when has being in shape ever stopped him from taking the rock to paydirt?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
When he plays behind our O-line
Is when it will, it hasn’t now because he’s living the RB’s wet dream with the Titans now.
Emmitt Smith
Yes, he’s a bigger body that can move decently, but he ran behind the best run-blocking line in football, on a team completely committed to running the ball and playing defensive football. Is there any indication he can play in a zone blocking one-cut scheme? (Honest question, as I don’t know what USC runs)
He was in a great place for what he does, but other than that, he’s a despicable human. Fuck him.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Just realized...
I never said Lendale or White. That’s who I was talking about here. Sorry for any confusion my Emmitt comparison caused.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I just refuse to trust a man...
who credits his success to quitting drinking.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Dec 15, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Someone show me proof that
if a good RB has never played in a zone-blocking system he will never be effective in it. Just amazing! Get’s repeated time and time again without any shred of evidence.
Texans Player Scout: “I got a guy, runs 4.5-ish, is 6’-1”, and goes around 235."
Coach beefy: “Has he played in a zone-blocking system?”
Texans Player Scout: “No. But, Toby went to a school where he’s supposed to be smart”
Coach beefy: “Don’t bring his name up again.”
Texans Player Scout: “But he scored 26 TD’s.”
Coach beefy: “I don’t care if he was a All-American. He never played in a zone-blocking system”
Texans Player Scout: “Okay, you know what you are talking about.”
Coach beefy: “I’ve heard it since forever…you wouldn’t expect Emmit to do it, would you?”
Texans Player Scout: “Ooooh, Emmit, say no more!”
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Reading comprehension
It escapes all of us from time to time.
(Translation: Your fake conversation is not what beefy said. At all.)
Yay, sports.
Re: Emmitt
You obviously missed my point.
The point was, like Emmitt of his time, Lendale runs behind the best run blockers assembled in the league. Hell, maybe 1-2 all time. The guys are crazy good. That was point #1.
Point #2 dealt with him possibly not fitting well into a one-cut system (which he may or may not, as I said I didn’t know).
Point #3 was that he’s a fuckbag.
Go ahead and blame me for what you hear eveyone saying, though. It’s me that keeps bringing up drafting Suh, as well, but I’m sure you already assumed that.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I thought you wanted us to draft a TE
instead of an undersized DT that will likely have minimal impact on our offense because we’re still missing a NT big and strong enough to occupy space and crush the pocket.
I guess we’ll just trade all our round picks for Lendale White because he scored 15 touchdowns last year. Oh, and have you heard? This is gonna blow your brains out. He’s only… wait for it……wait for it….. 24! zOMg!
Re: Emmitt
Texans Player Scout: “I am such a douche.”
Coach beefy: “Yes, don’t assume that if I ask you a question it means anything!”
Texans Player Scout: “Yes, your questions are pointless, my bad.”
Coach beefy: “What?”
Texans Player Scout: "I know Emmitt and Lendale didn’t run behind zone-blocking, so I should have known your question was pointless. "
Coach beefy: “I’m glad we are clear on that.”
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
So the answer is...
What?
That they did, or did not run behind a ZBS?
I’m excited to hear how this story ends. I think 3 drops of pee just came out.
I won’t even attempt to find out what you’re talking about, although I do wonder why I’m entertaining your relays.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
You do realize
that this one is even dumber than your last one, right? I mean, that’s obvious, isn’t it?
Yay, sports.
Texans Player Scout: “I want to kiss you.”
Coach Beefy: “Here? Now?”
Texans Player Scout: “Yes.”
Coach Beefy: “Hold on, let me swallow my Copenhagen.”
Texans Player Scout: “You are too sexy.”
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
No way, no how...
No man is hot enough to make me swaller my lip dirt before it’s time.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
There's a bit of a difference between Gerhart and White
They’re both big strong backs with no experience in the zone blocking scheme, sure, but that’s where the similarities end. Gerhart I think is a more explosive runner and certainly has better balance to take a hit and stay on his feet. I doubt seriously White could get through a hole in our offense before it closes on him.
Just because a player hasn’t played in the system before doesn’t mean that they can’t learn to. In this case, Gerhart has entire career in front of him, while White is in the midway point of his, seeing as how most backs make it 8 years or so tops in the NFL before their bodies start to break down. That being the case, Gerhart has room for some growing pains that quite frankly White no longer has. Not to mention the fact that Gerhart is a fairly intelligent guy while White is a known idiot savant, it’s pretty easy to see who is the safer pick to make the transition.
I'd be totally fine with Gerhardt.
I like the kid.
And I never said ZBS running experience was a must, like Doucher McGee was insinuating up above. As long as we’re filling the holes on the oline, I don’t give a shit who is in the backfield.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
yup on the O-line
they will make any RB, yes even Chris Brown, a better runner.
Nothing, however, short of Patrick Willis’ divine guidance, would make Chris Brown a better passer.
Mount Cody in round 1
Re: I'd be totally fine with Gerhardt.
Coach beefy: “I’ve had second thoughts about asking dumb questions about ZBS, scrap any consideration about that!”
Texans Player Scout: “Consider it scrapped.”
Coach beefy: “And, let’s turn our attention to the O-Line. Oh, and btw, your lips are really full and soft. What kind of lip gloss do you use?”
Texans Player Scout: “Umm…Okay, so where is this going?”
Coach beefy: “I can change my mind if I want! ….just because I asked a question doesn’t mean I have to consider the answer.”
Texans Player Scout: “So, what do you want to know about the O-Line?”
Coach beefy: “I think there might be a hole to fill….Do you like Copenhagen?”
Texans Player Scout: “Dude!”
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Texans Player Scout: "Ouch, it burns!"
Cushing’s Fluffer: “What burns?”
Texans Player Scout: “The STUPID, it burns! Put it out. Put it out!”
Cushing’s Fluffer: “I can’t. It’s not possible.” goes back to fluffing Cushing for his next scene.
by Jordann on Dec 16, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm
Rip: Mom, I got time off work, so I WILL be able to come home for Christmas! Isn’t that great?!
Rip’s Mom: Um…
Rip: I’ll probably get there Wednesday night. I’m so excited to see you and dad.
Rip’s Mom: Look, it’s just…well…I don’t know how to say this…
Rip: To say what, mom?
Rip’s Mom: Well, when we told the rest of the family you wouldn’t be home for Christmas, a lot of people were happy about it.
Rip: Huh?? Why?!
Rip’s Mom: I suppose that some of us — I mean “them” - think you are a douchebag and a blowhard and just all-around unbearable to spend time with.-
Rip: I don’t know wha
Rip’s Mom: Also, your dad is pretty sure he saw you masturbating to the NFL draft, so he doesn’t want you back in this house. K, love ya. Bye!
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Dec 16, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well the last time we signed an ex-BESF RB, he only completely torpedoed the season.
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by riversmccown on Dec 15, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Whats sadder:
1) It took four picks for Tennessee to find their #1 back
2)That we have signed two of them after their rejection by the tits and are debating signing the 3rd?
or that we don't realize
its not that the backs from their team are good at all.
its that they don’t have a passing game, so they HAVE to have a decent running attack and focus on that, and thus have a better O-line.
I think a rotating stable of backs with a Eaglesesque pass every down attack is our next few years.
Mount Cody in round 1
Get a DT and anO-Lineman, after that look at CB's and a RB.
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