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Checking The Pulse: Should Gary Kubiak Be Back In 2010?

Lost in the hoopla of the holiday season, I forgot to post the poll last week. Two weeks ago, Gary Kubiak enjoyed a healthy approval rating; now, after road victories over the Rams and Dolphins, not to mention the faint glimmer of a playoff berth off in the distance, what do the masses say?

Vote below, please. If you believe Kubes should be handed his walking papers, kindly tell us your realistic replacement for Kubiak as head coach of the Texans in 2010 in the Comments below. If you think Kubes should be back next season, tell us why you're in favor of a fifth year of the Kubiak Era.

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Should Gary Kubiak Return As Head Coach Of The Houston Texans Next Season?
Yes
405 votes
No
81 votes
Undecided
64 votes

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In My Opinion

SHOULD he be? No.

Will he be? Yes.

Hard to fire a coach who is in contention for a playoff spot in Week 17.

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by Mike Kerns on Dec 30, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

As far as a replacement

Really don’t have one particular guy in mind. Just an established guy who has had success in the past. I want no part in a rookie Coach. I don’t care how great everyone thinks this Frazier guy from Minnesota is.

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by Mike Kerns on Dec 30, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

What If...

Kubes was the driving force (instead of, say, money) behind convincing your boy Bernard Pollard to stay? Would that change your mind?

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Dec 30, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Oy

Yes, I like Pollard and think he is the long term answer we’ve needed at Safety for 8 seasons. But he isn’t the end all be all for me that you accuse me of. If Kubes comes back, I’m not going to be all sour about it all of 2010. If it was my choice, I make a move. For someone established. If not, I bring back Kubiak.

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by Mike Kerns on Dec 31, 2009 6:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Especially

when the franchise hasn’t really had that feeling.

Even if he doesn’t get to the playoffs, it’d be hard to fire a man who led the franchise to a record 9 wins (including a record 5 on the road).

I like the progress of this team (being in every game but 1 while also being in playoff talk in week 17), and I like the idea of Kubiak coaching with pressure to perform.

by TexansDC on Dec 30, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

We only had one game

That we were blown out the water in. But oddly enough, all the close losses were the toughest to swallow. SIx games that we could have won… We could had indy’s record right now. To fans that can be madning because all we can do is cheer, and post on BRB.

I like the progress he’s made with the team… But i dont ever want to say to another football fan that we lost because they werent playing to their potential. (because i’m living in san antonio- Where theres several cowgirls fans)

by Ivan A on Dec 31, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Different View

I think my biggest problem with Kubiak (other than Chris Brown) is the fact that IMO, we desperately need to see some turnover at the level of Position Coaches.

I mean, is it really Kubiak’s job to teach our RBs how/when to properly secure the ball? No. But it is someone’s specific job (too lazy to research), and having all 4 RBs this year show a poor ability to secure the ball speaks directly to a poor coaching job. You know, common factor and all.

Obviously, I’m just throwing out 1 example here. But a head coach is the Manager of all other coaches. And he needs to know when to cut a bitch coach who is perfoming like shit poorly.

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by Shake on Dec 30, 2009 3:56 PM CST reply actions  

Shake, you're right

I said a few weeks ago I’d like to see RB coach Chick Harris fired. He’s been with the franchise since year 1, and our running game has only been good for maybe 2 out of 8 years?

Joe Marciano, the ST coordinator, also needs to go. I’ve been underwhelmed with all facets of our special teams for the past few years. Even Jacoby, who has been dynamic, muffs punts…Joe’s job is to teach him how to freakin’ field a punt.

by TexansDC on Dec 30, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw that Chick

wasn’t Kubiak’s guy (not hired under the Smithiak era), and I see him being a fall guy this offseason, whether Kubiak stays or not.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Dec 30, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Your Texans coaches

Right here

What the hell? Bruce Matthews is on the staff and not an offensive line coach?!

by TexansDC on Dec 30, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

He is.

He’ll get there.

I think this is his first gig with a football team.

Hall of famer as a player, not sure about his coaching abilitiy yet.

by Jordann on Dec 30, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

He might as well stay

There is NO ONE whom we could realistically get that would Give us any better of a chance to win next year. There just isn’t.

One more season, better be AT least 10-6. And 3-3 in the division. We do play the NFC east next year.

If it fails then kubiak is gone and then you should still be able to get anyone. It really is a dream job, a sleeping giant if you will. Kind of like ATM.

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by AllenOU on Dec 30, 2009 4:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I think McNair could surprise us

but I still vote undecided, and here’s why.

Say we lay an egg against NE’s backups.

Say the Jets and Broncos lose.

8-8 and we fumbled our playoff chances against NE’s backups?

Wait until the season is complete. Because we could also beat NE like a drum with their starters in, and go to the playoffs.

There’s no way you fire Kubiak after that.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Dec 30, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

Never changed my mind about Kubes.

I don’t want to have to repeat myself and explain why.

If Kubiak gets axed, I have a feeling that he’s gonna be taking Rick Smith with him.
I don’t know if we can get an upgrade at GM. Smith has done a great job acquiring talent and fixing the salary cap mess that Casserly left us.

by Jordann on Dec 30, 2009 4:32 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

For truth about Rick Smith, he as done and A+ job!

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by Texans-Brocos on Dec 30, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

this is an even better reason to keep Kubiak

when you think that Kubiak brought in Smith, and Gary probably has more input on who we draft/sign than most HC in relation to their GM’s.

Not taking anything away from Smith, but from the draft interviews it appears to me its a situation where position coaches tell Kubiak who they like, and its ultimately Kubiak’s decision. So Smith gets credit for drafting well, but Kubiak was here for the 2006 draft, and has obviously had input on the drafts since then, even without 2nd rounders two years in a row.

So Smith leaving would be less of an impact if my assumptions are true and Kubiak is the ringleader. Kubiak would be the cog that needs to be there.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Dec 30, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I said after the 2nd Jags game that Im in favor of firing Kubiak....

but that if the team finished 9-7 and had a shot at/made the playoffs than he couldnt be fired. Thats where we are right now and thats why ive changed my mind to “undecided.” I still believe Kubiak is not the guy to take this team to the promised land, but there is no way Kubiak will be fired if we finish 9-7, playoffs or not. I know this is confusing, but I also feel he shouldnt be fired if we finish 9-7 even though I feel he cant take this team much further. I could be wrong about that and the only way to find out is to see what Kubes can do with 1 year knowing that his team has been above .500 even with key injuries.

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 30, 2009 5:22 PM CST reply actions  

which is why

undecided is always right until this Sunday night.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Dec 30, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

He's had too much

success in Denver to not at least be given the duration of his contract. We are in the best position at this time of the season than we’ve ever been, and no coach should be fired after the team’s (any team) best year. Unless you are Jerry Jones…

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by Southern Lion on Dec 30, 2009 5:57 PM CST reply actions  

One more year

No playoffs next year, that’s it. Looking over the schedule, and remembering back to watching each game, there is only one game I felt we truly could not have won, the Jets in week 1. We just have to start winning some of those games.

It’s not going to be easy to get some of our favorite players to return – I really thought this was “the year” but I’m of the firm belief that we have a better chance in 2010 with Kubiak than with a new coach. (even without KW, OD, and possibly Captain Meco)

by FuriousGravy on Dec 30, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions  

Also...

2010 is going to be a different year in football, with no salary cap. What will that mean? I don’t think anyone can know. 2011 may be completely different as well, with no CBA in place, what will happen? All of the uncertainty makes me want to stick with Kubiak at least for this year.

by FuriousGravy on Dec 30, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions  

save koob!

there is a harmonious relationship between Koob, his coaches, and his players. he’s sending 4 guys to the pro bowl, with another 3 alternates. he’s taken a team, that once was a laughingstock under capers and casserley, a.k.a castrate me, and turned it around. and even when we DID lose games, you never saw players talking bad about him, which many are apt to do. keep in mind that koob was never a head coach before coming here, so LEARNING how to win is new to him as well, AS a head coach. the culture of the team has changed. the players have changed. Koob and Smith are the reason… i would expect next year to be even better.

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by chrisd21 on Dec 30, 2009 6:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

i agree that he should get credit for the pro bowlers

But the people that say the players are to blame for all of our close losses can’t use this as a reason to keep him.

He is either responsible for the plays (good or bad) that his players make, or he is not.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 1, 2010 9:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

He should stay

This team is the best Texans team yet, and firing him and replacing him with someone else (at least from anyone who is a realistic possibility) probably has more downside that it does upside.

by killtacular on Dec 30, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions  

voted Yes

Unless Dungy or Fisher is ‘realistically’ available and willing to coach here, I’d keep Koobs.
Let’s hope 2010 we’ll have a good O-line/running game and no major injuries to the starters so we can judge fully the potential of this team under his tutelage.
In Smithiak we still trust.

by b0wse on Dec 30, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

Yes

There has to be a coach that uses 4-3 defense and something close to the current offensive scheme to fire kubiak.We should give him a year if there is no other coach.We have players for kubiak system and if we change the system that the players are used to,the texans will go back to rebuilding stage.What we need to do is finish building the team through the draft or younger players through free agency.Probably RB,DT,CB,FS,K,P are our most glaring needs.(Punter because Matt Turk is already old.)
Get a few not to old veterans through free agency to mentor some of the younger guys too.We also need a new defensive coordinator.Frank Bush or David Gibbs(DB Coach) arent doing their job.I think we have the talent if we stay healthy to be a 10-6 to 12-4 team if we stay healthy and if Slaton goes back to his old self or Foster turns out to be our running games savior we will have a winning season!

by Edgar Villegas on Dec 30, 2009 9:31 PM CST reply actions  

Depends on one thing

If you can hire Gruden, fire him, if not, keep him. Gruden runs the same offense, turned Gannon into an MVP, took a Bucs offense that scored 3,6,9,7 in four straight playoff defeats to the superbowl. No Gruden, keep Kubiak.

The defense is evolving but we cannot pay Ryans and Robinson in the next two years. We’ll have to trade Okoye and use that money to re-sign Owens. Robinson will be sacrificed to keep Ryans. Mario will be gone in a couple years as teams offer him Haynesworth money.

We got two years Texans, and that’s it.

by wha? on Dec 31, 2009 12:22 AM CST reply actions  

Dunta should be sacrificed

to save our secondary.

Jim Caldwell delenda est.

by MDC on Dec 31, 2009 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Dunta should be sacrificed

period.

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by Shake on Dec 31, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The Irony.

After reading this comment, my initial reaction was wha?

Lo and Behold. His handle is wha?

by Jordann on Dec 31, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

i cant believe the poll was heavily favoring yes to kubes coming back.

this is the best texans team we have ever had. he has had 3 years to get his system in, pick his coaching staff, get the QB he wanted etc. this was the year. instead, we are most likely not making the playoffs due to cincy having a mangina. we probly will beat new england due to their starters resting and we will go 9-7. but that does not cut it at all. it was playoffs or bust for kubes this year. we will not have a better team next year. this is the best we have.(i doubt our first round pick or any other draft pick will impact our team that much.) kubes is a very inconsistent coach, hence all of the second or first half debacles. i want a consistent coach who doesn’t change his mindset through out the game. sure, if kubes had maybe 1 or 2 games where one half went horribly wrong and that was it, i can live with 1 or 2 games. but try 4 or 5 games. the whole problem with this is that bob mcnair thinks that he is the best coach for us and he is our guy. that is bull shit. we have had similar results the past 3 or 4 years ending with an 8-8 season. i dont know why you guys still have faith in him. if this is not the best team we have ever had, please tell me and point out what other year we were better. im tired with kubiak. as long as he is the coach, i wont be a fan.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Dec 31, 2009 1:31 AM CST reply actions  

Wait

Kubiak builds and leads the best team in texans history (by your own admission), and you want him fired?

Also, last time I checked, a 9-7 team can be improved with draft picks and free agents. Are you saying a first round cornerback or dt wouldn’t help this team at all?

by SATexan on Dec 31, 2009 2:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

How can the team not get better?

Cushing was pla ying in his first year and made the pro bowl, and most players improve drastically in year two. We played a great deal this season with 2 reserves playing both guard positions at the same time, our 2nd most reliable reciever in Daniels being out with injury, and our starting and reserve free safeties missing games, as well as our starting SS not even being in this defense for a full year. Mario WIlliams, Cushing, Slaton, Reeves, and several others, have been playing through injuries all season which almost surely hampered their production. Not to mention this was the first year any player on the team had to play in Bush’s defense.

Also consider that 3 of our front 7 made the pro bowl this year, all of them still young players, and 2 of those 3 (cushing and williams) were playing through injuries most of the season. There’s alot here for this team to grow on. While we may have some turnovers, I don’t think there’s any way Ryans or Owens isn’t on the team next year, and I think they’ll try very hard to secure Pollard as well. Robinson will almost certainly be gone, but that may end up being an addition by subtraction as it will force the team to look for a real #1 corner.

by Bryan72076 on Dec 31, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

ok maybe i was being a little drastic about the team not getting better.

but still, the main point is is that kubes always has 1 good half and one bad half. im sick of that. thats why i want him out.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Dec 31, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

btw who is owens?

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by Rockets 4 Life on Dec 31, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

nvm it's owen daniels.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Dec 31, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Zuh?

Screaming about how this is the best team we’ve had doesn’t do much for your argument, chief. The head coach, who has had a hand in building this team since the Mario Williams pick, deserves credit to the extent that the talent of the team factors into whether he should stay or go. At most, I guess you could be saying that, in addition to being the best team we’ve fielded, that this team was absolutely talented enough that it SHOULD (not COULD) have made the playoffs. In which case, I’m gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. This team has no real NT and a secondary that alternates between “slightly below average” and “like watching an abortion performed with a salad fork.”

Don’t get me wrong—Kubes has flaws. His clock management/challenge usage are consistently laughable, he doesn’t seem comfortable changing his gameplan in response to changes the opponent makes, etc. But he’s also created one of the best offenses in the game and the team has improved throughout his tenure. (8-8 last year, with all that happened early, is actually a pretty impressive finish.) I’m not his biggest fan at all, but I think the hyperbole flowing from your post is indicative of the exact mindset that the team should not take.

Finally, whether a person can point to a better Texans team than the ‘09 iteration is meaningless in this context. A person could have pointed to the 2003 team as the best we’d ever had to that point; that doesn’t necessarily mean they should have made the playoffs. Focus, man. Focus.

Also, we’ve had two seasons at 8-8, not “the past 3 or 4,” but don’t let pesky little facts get in the way of a nice screed.

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by MDC on Dec 31, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Why Kubes should stay...

This is no longer a starter position for a rookie coach. When Kubiak got here, that was the case. The ONLY way I would be in favor of axing Kubiak is if we could get a proven winner in his place. And whoever said Gruden……no. Gruden won the Super Bowl in Tampa with Dungy’s players, but the Bucs quickly went downhill from there. He couldn’t keep it together. I don’t think Dungy would come back to the AFC South. Maybe Cowher, but I don’t see it. Perhaps if Spurrier is interested in another NFL run. He didn’t have the talent at Washington to run his “fun and gun” offense, but he’d certainly have it in Houston. Where’s Jerry Glanville and Jack Pardee when you need ’em? LOL!

by rrtx on Dec 31, 2009 2:26 AM CST reply actions  

Run n Gun.

No thanks.

I don’t remember who brought it up so im claiming it as my own idea.

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by Jordann on Dec 31, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

We'll see what you guys say if we lose Sunday

We’ll have to start a whole new thread to keep you guys from wanting his head.

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by Mike Kerns on Dec 31, 2009 6:58 AM CST reply actions  

8&8 for 3 years in a row wears a bit thin

While we are all sick of being 8&8 for the last 3 years (this year as well), The fact remains that this team was IN every game, and then found a way to lose. This is the hallmark of a young team. At the pro level, the talent level is so high that the difference is one of desire.
Kubes has givien pep talks to the team several times this season and the team responded with good games. Yet this team has played UN-inspired ball for long periods of this season.
This is a team that is on the cusp, ready to become a player in the playoff race every year. People talk about Chower coming to town. Remember that he had several years that were not SB years. The Steelers gave him the time to get what was wrong , right.
Another year can bring the maturity and our share of those close games and THEN we will have more than playoff pipe dreams to talk about.
8&8 again but we are closer than the 8 teams already making vacation reservations.

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by Trukker on Dec 31, 2009 11:30 AM CST reply actions  

As I said before

If you went back 5 years ago and told Houston fans that their next coach would take the team to 3 .500 or better years out of the next 4, we’d all have been ecstatic and been ready to enshrine him into the hall of fame if it came to fruition… The fact that he’s getting grief because he’s been unable to take the team to the “next step” so far is really a sign of just how well he’s done here, four years ago we’d have settled for not being a floor matt and being competetive in games, now we’re calling for heads if we don’t make the playoffs. Kubiak’s performance as head coach is responsible for those raised expectations, but he only gets recognition for not meeting them as of yet.

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