Playing The Expectations Game
Over the years, I've had the pleasure of working for some of the most grossly inept and incompetent managers in known history. A couple of them would make the Pointy Haired Boss absolutely brilliant by comparison. Recent games have reminded me of a conversation I had with one of those rocket scienticians.
At the time, I was managing asset portfolios for wealthy investors. My portfolios were absolutely skyrocketing, but my boss' were doing horribly. Worst of all, he had most of the assets under his control, and he refused to change his strategy, relinquish control, or just do anything different. As a result, we were bleeding clients and money.
I had the audacity to lay out a concrete plan for him to follow in order to keep clients, but he erupted into one of his typical histrionic displays. I gave notice about an hour later.
When he tried to convince me to stay, he claimed he had done a poor job setting my expectations about his portfolios' performance. His argument was asinine. It wasn't *his* fault the portfolios were doing so poorly; it was the market's fault, and I had to stay and convince clients of this "fact." I was stunned by the lack of logic and the earnestness in which he avoided culpability. Needless to say, I left, and the company is out of business today.
By now you are probably asking yourself: What is your point? Great question! I'm so glad you asked.
I believe we, and by "we" I mean we as fans and the team, have failed the expectations game. Allow me to explain what I mean.
After back-to-back years of 8-8 ball, it's fair to have greater expectations and believe we'll be better year-in/year-out as fans. The reality is this isn't so easy to accomplish. Every fan base has this expectation (except for the Lions, of course) that their team is good enough to compete. So we get excited and hopeful. Gary Kubiak should also have these expectations, especially from a younger team.
Where we have failed is recognizing that our talent is still simply not there. Talent acquisition is, sadly, a prolonged process. The team Kubiak and Rick Smith inherited was almost completely devoid of NFL-quality talent. Not only do I believe we need time to build and diversify our talent base, I'm not convinced we are adequately addressing our weaknesses.
Now, this isn't to say we aren't trying, but it is clear we have serious holes throughout our starting 22 and depth problems everywhere except for TE and WLB (which needs a real quality starter).
Here's an example: Our offensive line has become a true weakness thanks in part to injuries, but also due to the lack of talent here. Duane Brown and Eric Winston have been decent but beatable. Our G and C play has been absolutely atrocious this year, even before injuries took down Chester Pitts and Mike Brisiel.
In other words, if we aren't winning the most basic, in-the-trenches battles, how can we possibly expect to win games?
Then, of course, are our expectations of FAIL. The team, at least. I had hoped the Miami game last year moved us beyond this. Or even the first BE-SF game this year. Especially in the second game against the Colts, you could see our body language change in the fourth quarter. We played down to our expectations, and it was depressing. If the Colts were in this position, there's no way they'd be hanging their heads in the same situation.
Obviously, part of the problem is Kubiak. I don't believe the team is under-prepared as much as poorly managed, both from a personnel and in-game perspective. But the lack of quality personnel is still the primary issue. However, Kubiak has got to do a better job in getting this team to play a full 60 minute game. The closest we've come to this was against the Bengals and somewhat versus the Bills. This is not acceptable.
Do I believe we need to fire Kubiak? I don't know. The offense especially is built around Kubiak's offensive style. The simple fact he believes Chris Brown is a legitimate goal-line back is an indictment of his ability to build a roster. Kubiak needs a more firm hand, and a better grip, of building his roster to meet his needs. At the same time, he has improved his in-game skills from last year (did somebody finally buy him Madden?).
Here's what I would like to see from a purely coaching standpoint:
- Replace Bill Kollar (defensive line coach), Frank Bush, or both. I'm not sure who thought either of these guys would be a solution, but they clearly are not. When a Bills fan is taunting you about Kollar, you damn well know something is wrong.
- Joe Marciano, special teams coach, should clearly go away. Not only do we make copious amounts of penalties, but he's managed to turn Andre Davis into a tip-toer on returns.
- And we give Kubiak one. More. Year. That's it. No mas.
Again, I simply do not think we have the talent, on a personnel basis, to compete today. When you throw in the tremendous number of injuries to key elements of the team (Chester Pitts, Mike Brisiel, Owen Daniels, Antwaun Molden, Steve Slaton, Glover Quin, Eugene Wilson), we are going to be in trouble. Injuries are exacerbated by our obvious lack of depth, a problem that cannot be fixed in just one, two, or even three years. This is about expectations, and thoughts that we were a 12-4 team were optimistic and obviously misplaced. With a few breaks, was this possible? Chris Brown says "yes." We are, however probably better than 5-7 as well.
At this point, I don't see firing Kubiak as the answer. We need to let our current crop of rookies age just one more year, and another year of drafting will be helpful. This team was a massive sack of shit when Smithiak took over, and we have seen improvement. We all hoped the consolidation phase was over, but it was not. I think they deserve one more year to prove themselves incapable.
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Gooood point
Sigh, my predictions for the season do always include thinking no one important gets injured. I wish we would go after some top tier free agents, at least on the O and D line, but I also have respect for kubes commitment to build team through the draft
by WishIwasnotahoustonfan on Dec 8, 2009 6:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Also, who saw the regression of dunta, Bennett, and slaton coming?
by WishIwasnotahoustonfan on Dec 8, 2009 6:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
For Dunta?
Me.
Bennett? Not so much. And you had to expect some regression for Slaton, but our o-line has been Coors Light-bad all year.
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
by bigfatdrunk on Dec 8, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Take It Back!
I mean, use a new analogy. Our OL has been very bad in the running game this year.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Dec 8, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
I like my Coors watered down.
Thats why I drink keystone.
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Happy Now Tits?
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by CFHTim on Dec 9, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What do American Beer and having sex in a canoe have in common?
Their both Fking close to water.
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by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And plenty of micros
But the mass makers suck ass.
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
I had thought we could win 10 games, and I was ready to accept that that wouldn’t be good enough for playoffs. The number of close finishes that we have had certainly makes it plausible that we are just so close to being at least a 10 win team.
The only way I’m OK with Kubiak staying is if he sacks up and fires the shit out of Bush, and we bring in a proper proven d coordinator.
Honestly
The best logic I have for firing Kubiak is for hiring Bush in the first place. It was a shit hire then, and it’s a shit hire now.
And every time Dunta Robinson plays, Durga kicks a kitten in the testicles.
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
I’m okay with kicking kittens in the nuts
by WishIwasnotahoustonfan on Dec 8, 2009 6:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I keep hearing our talent level is below the other teams
the continuation then is that Kubiak is a miracle worker, doing more with less, just to get us to 7-9 this year.
As I look at each game, not a statistical view of our game results, I don’t see that. We were not outmanned by any team this season, save the Jets. We were definitely out coached that game, but I’ll also say they had the players to beat us.
I see a team that invents new ways to lose. By the players, by the coaches, and I probably even caused a few losses as a fan. This isn’t an indictment on Kubiak, necessarily. But the mentality of the players, even when we plug all the huge gaping holes this offseason, has to change.
Didn’t we say the same thing at last season’s end about our holes, one more season, etc?
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Re: Same Thing
We did say the same thing last year. And in retrospect, we may have overrated the talent level then. How many guys currently starting for the Texans on each side of the ball would start for a good (read: winning record) NFL team?
I’m not the biggest believer in professional teams needing to cultivate a winning culture to consistently win—after all, these guys are mercenaries—but I do wonder if we’re not fully grasping how dire things were when Kubiak arrived. It’s pretty difficult to be worse and/or more hopeless than 2-14, and that’s what Kubes stepped in to.
To some degree, I think Kubes is a victim of his “success” in 2006 and 2007. He took a two win team to six wins, and then took a six-win team to eight wins. What if the jump from 2005 to 2006 had been less pronounced—say, from 2-14 to 4-12? I’m not sure we’d all be pulling our hair out (as much, anyway) now if that had been the case.
I typed that last sentence, and then I thought about the absolutely maddening ways we’ve lost games this year. We’d probably be just as furious regardless.
Great post, BFD.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Dec 8, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
I dont buy the "he's had success since he came here" argument
Yes, we were 2-14 the year before Kubiak arrived and our team was in shambles, but there have been examples of teams improving immediately under a new coach. Take Miami last year for example. After being 7-25 in ’06 and ’07, they fired their coach and brought in Tony Sparano. Sparano immediately turned the team around (with help from Bill Parcells) and they finished with an 11-5 record in his first year last year. This year they are 6-6, 1 game back in their division, and in the thick of the Wild Card hunt. Atlanta and Baltimore last year are other examples of vast improvement under a 1st year coach, and both of those teams did it with rookie QBs, showing good drafting by the rookie coaches and their GMs.
4 years is enough to turn a team around, no matter how bad they were. Look at all the draft picks that have not panned out under Smithiak. Their first draft was a pretty good one with Mario, DeMeco, Charles Spencer, Eric Winston, OD, and David Anderson coming from that draft. Draft 2: Jury is out on Okoye; Jacoby, Fred Bennett, Brandon Harrison, and Brandon Frye could all be considered busts for where they were picked and who we could have had instead. Studdard and Diles in rounds 6 and 7 respectively, have been good picks. Year 3: Molden, Adibi, Okam, Barber, and Brink have been nothing while Duane Brown and Slaton are still TBD. Year 4: Possibly the best draft of Smithiak, but its too early to really tell.
Kubiak has had 4 years to turn this team around, that is 4 drafts and 4 free agency periods. Of the 29 draft picks under Kubiak, only 9 were opening day starters this season, thats a paltry 31%. 10 of those 29 were lineman and yet most of us still see the trenches as the biggest problem on our team.
What I want to know is, are our expectations too low because we have never had success? Going back to the Dolphins as an example. They fired Nick Saban after two years and a record of 15-17. Then they fired Cam Cameron after ONE season, but it was a 1-15 record. They then hired Sparano and have gone 17-11 since including a trip to the playoffs in his only opportunity.
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The problem with citing the Ravens and Dolphins is this.
The Dolphins? Bill Parcells brought in his system and his guys. He knows what he wants and what works for his system. There was a tremendous amount of roster turnover. Now, that team is hovering at .500.
The Ravens? They had a great defense and running game. They just played to that strength and told Joe Flacco not to lose the game. They too have taken a step back.
The Falcons? People were calling them a Super Bowl team. They probably don’t make the playoffs. That franchise has never had 2 consecutive playoff seasons.
Comparing situations doesn’t help our case. The Houston Texans are the Houston Texans.
Okay so why cant the Houston Texans bring in a proven GM/Coach
to turn the team around? Parcells brought in his system and his players, but Sparano still had to be Head Coach. And that team is hovering around .500 this one season, the Texans have hovered around .500 for 3 seasons in a row. The Ravens’ “running game” was produced by an o-line with no player having more than 4 years exp and 3 RBs who split time and averaged 3.9, 3.9, and 4.2 yds/att, which ranked t-31st, t-31st and 21st last season and the player who averaged 4.2/carry had the least number of attempts (that was Ray Rice by the way)
Saying “The Houston Texans are the Houston Texans” is exactly why this team has never had a winning season. We have a loser’s mentality and so does the team right now under Kubiak, until a change is made, the team will always have a loser’s mentality because no one on the team knows how to win in the position they are in, Head Coach, OC, DC, GM.
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And it's a great question
My counter is: who do you bring in?
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
Well I know basically anyone I say will be shot down in some way...
but I would say Gruden, Billick, or Cowher. They have all won Super Bowl’s, Billick and Gruden have experience taking teams to places they have never been and Cowher is Cowher.
Now the negatives yall will have, Cowher runs a 3-4 (BS excuse, see: GB Packers, 2009) Gruden only won because of Dungy, and Billick, well no body has talked about Billick yet.
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Gruden = cancellation
If we bring in Gruden I will cancel my season tickets so fast their heads will spin. Fraud, and most overrated coach in the last 20 years.
I’m starting to warm to the idea of Billick.
by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
What about the Raiders teams he coached? I have been trying to get someone, anyone to tell me why those don’t count.
When Gruden left the Raiders for the Bucs
He inherited a team that Dungy assembled and took it to the superbowl. And Bill Callahan took over Gruden’s team and took it to the superbowl.
I dont think Gruden is capable of turning this team around when he couldn’t even turn that same raiders team that went to the superbowl around. He’s gonna end up dismantling this team just like he did with Tampa Bay.
I did say my choices would be hated on
Who are your choices if you dont like any of the proven coaches?? (I know you dont want Kubiak gone, but for this exercise Id think you could still play along.)
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Im not hating on them.
I just disagree. Gruden did win a superbowl with the personnel that Dungy put together. Then he took it apart like lego and flushed it down the toilet. How’s Tampa Bay doing again? You’d think they’d be doing better because they already established a talented roster but they’re not.
Billick got fired because his offense kept sputtering like a used car muffler. Which wouldn’t be such a bad thing if you’re area of expertise isn’t the offense. What’s that you say? Billick’s expertise was the offense and that’s why Ozzie Newsome brought him in to develop an offense that can match the Ravens dominant D? No way. That’s crazy talk.
And as for Cowher, he also won a superbowl but how long did it actually take him? Why not just wait for Kubiak to get his team together and see if he can cut it?
I haven’t thought of a good candidate to replace Kubes because im still under the same impression that he keeps his jobs and turns it around next year. So i’ll get back to you on that whenever Kubes get canned.
Billick didnt have a QB
And you can say thats his fault cause he is an offensive coach, but if you take that way of thinking you can easily blame our poor running game on Kubiak because that was supposed to be his specialty.
As for Cowher, it took him 14 years to win that SB. But he made the playoffs in his first 6 seasons, made the playoffs in 10 of 15 years total, and only had 3 losing seasons with the worst being 6-10. He also won 10+ games in 6 of his first 7 seasons after the Steelers didnt win 10+ in the 8 seasons prior to him arriving, going a combined 60-67 in those 8 years. Thats mediocrity to a higher level than the Texans.
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He made the playoffs his first six seasons
because the roster he took over was already a competitive one. Oh, and it was built by Chuck Knoll. You know, the same guy that drafted Joe Greene and Lynn Swann and he also brought the Steel Curtain defense to Pittsburgh.
Kubiak didn’t have shit to start with.
If your definition of competitive is a 60-67 with no 10 win seasons for 8 straight years
than I finally see why you want to keep Kubiak.
The point I was trying to make about Cowher is that although it took him a while to win a SB, his teams were actually competitive for a long time before then. Cowher brought a fresh attitude and mindset to Pitt and immediately saw better results than the “same guy that drafted Joe Greene and Lynn Swann” saw with basically the same team.
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And this is where I lose all respect for you
and this is where you lose all credibility as a football fan for belittling Chuck Noll.
hahahahah
in no way did I belittle Chuck Noll. I quoted it because i was showing how great he is. Fact is, he struggled in his last 8 years with the Steelers and then Cowher came in and had immediate success, you can go look it up if you like, its not that difficult to find.
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It wasn't a loser's mentality...
…it was saying that the Texans can’t be compared to other situations. The Ravens were established. Ozzie Newsome built that team up from 96-00 and won a Super Bowl. Since then, they’ve been able to replace talent as holes came along.
The Dolphins essentially turned the entire roster over for a man who hasn’t won a Super Bowl since the early 90s.
The Falcons are the true exception to a one year turnaround, but will they have a Colts-like success?
Like BFD asked, who do you bring in? Better yet, why will that person win in Houston?
Point taken
But again, those were 1 year turnaround’s, Kubes has had 4 years and nothing to show for it.
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by TexasHoosier on Dec 8, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
1 year turnaround.
I dont agree. After last season, it’s looking like a fluke to me. None of those teams have really been impressive this season.
And there's a reason
It’s called regression to the mean.
The Phins and Falcons were largely injury free last year and both clearly played above their heads.
It’s part of the reason I don’t want to pull the trigger just yet. I’d rather see a sustained team-building exercise.
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
Agreed.
I don’t want to be the Falcons. That franchise has never been to the playoffs in consecutive years.
and the Texans have never had a winning record
whats worse there?
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the Falcons have existed for 43 years. The Texans for less than 8. A little perspective would be nice when you start comparing failings.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
There's no such thing as perspective when talking to that guy.
He talked down on Chuck Noll’s accomplishments!
okay jordass
please keep just going around on this site and throwing me under the bus because you didnt understand one of my posts and dont agree with my viewpoints, that really the type of community we want here.
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by TexasHoosier on Dec 10, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
not taking sides but the ironing is delicious.

by nolander on Dec 10, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Regressing towards the mean
but still in much better shape than we are, they both could still make the playoffs.
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Slight correction on Saban
The slimy weasel quit in the middle of his second season. That’s what Saban does: He quits on teams and leaves town in the middle of the night.
Slimy little asshole. But, anyway, carry on. lol.
by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
maybe Saban will quit on Bama before Jan 7 too
Saban might have quit on the Dolphins in the middle of the season, but he stayed through the season
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He'll stay this season. But wait.
At some point in his contract, a plum job will open up (I’m thinking USC) and Saban will be rumored to be the guy. He will be asked by it by the media, and he will angrily deny it over and over again.
A few weeks later, he will hastily resign for the new job that he claimed he didn’t want, and sneak out of town. He will then subtly bash his previous employers and organization.
He did it to MSU, LSU, and the Dolphins.
Bama is winning now, but the second they stumble and the pressure is put on saban by alums, he’s going so slither out of town like the little BITCH that he is.
by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Why would he go to USC?
Is Carroll’s job in jeopardy?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 AM CST up reply actions
I think we are a better team than last year, though.
by WishIwasnotahoustonfan on Dec 8, 2009 7:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why invent new ways to lose? (and i'm really starting to hate that expression, btw)
When missing tackles, having Dunta as a starting player, having zero interior run blocking, and missing FG’s is working so well?
You say, “inventing new ways to lose” while I say, “damn, I wish we had ANYONE better to play that spot.”
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
yeah, I think you're on record
that its all the players fault, always.
Even if you support Kubiak, he can have some responsibility, and can be the reason for some of the losses.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
I see your point.
Yes, I am adamantly for blaming those at fault. I have seen some Kubiak flubs, but none of those flubs are things that couldn’t be overcome if the players did what they were supposed to do.
Actually, I just hate the whole concept of blaming a coach automatically, and that’s what I’ve been seeing so much of.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Where we are now, it's easy to say what you just said
But, twelve weeks ago, we had great expectations and weren’t even contemplating any of this….and that’s “we”, as the consensus. There may have been a few that wanted to roast Marciano, and yes, there were more than a few who were wary of Kollar, but we were mostly resigned to give him a chance and see…
Now 3/4’s of the way through this season of great expectations, we have all turned on each other,…biting, clawing; no one really satisfied with the status quo. Some demanding change; some willing to wait and let the season play out; some even still saying let’s take this baby out for a long test drive all the way through to next season.
Sure, this appears to be a pretty good crop of rookies; another Smithiak draft success.
Who’s to say they won’t do that again and then with another good crop coming in next season and this year’s crop ripening on the vine; next year could be a nice year. A few coaching changes. Another couple of free agent additions for depth and hopefully impact, and this team could quite possibly give us even greater expectations next year!
Yes, great expectations,….dangererous….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Fear of the unknown strikes again
Disagree, bro. I think this is about the fear of the unknown. We’re terrified of what another coach may – or may not – do that we’re willing to settle for mediocrity.
I don’t think it’s too much to ask a better record than last year. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for our coach to start using our SUPERSTAR reciever more and stop using Chris Brown. I don’ t think it’s too much to ask our coach to not call a trick play when the season is on the line and just SHOVE the ball in.
The “we have no talent” argument is kind of lame. I saw the Arizona game. We were in that game. I saw all the rest of our games as well. We were hanging in there. If you want proof that we have talent, go back and look at the first half of the second Indy game from a couple of weeks ago. I was so amazed that my mouth was hanging open. We were WHIPPING THE SHIT OUT OF THEM.
I never expected the Super Bowl. Hell, I never even demanded playoffs. I just wanted something better than 8-8.
Yes!
First, you’re in my brain, man!
Fear of the unknown strikes again
I am having a week beyond horrible because of this. I’m gonna get screwed this week, but I don’t know how, and the Zen-Buddhist in me isn’t able to help. To fear the unknown is cowardice. Yet…
I fail to see an obvious upgrade path. Chickenshit, I know. BUT, because I have seen improvement, I am more comfortable with the known than the unknown.
You’re argument, however, trumps mine.
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
I know what you mean
As a season ticket holder, I know how you feel. This team is exciting to watch, yet, something is missing. Yes, Gary has built quite a squad, and the automatic thinking is that we need to keep him or we won’t move forward as a team.
But, I’m willing to risk the unknown. We HAVE to keep our standards high. HAVE TO. Especially since we’re such a young franchise. We have to change our culture of losing RIGHT NOW, or it will always be a part of the Texans brand, and that could take decades to get rid of.
I grew up watching Lions fans in Michigan, and this was the same stuff I saw: they were fine with 7-9 and 8-8 because it was the best they could do. The fans settled, and the end result was decades of losing. What did that eventually get them?
0-16.
by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
So, it was the fans fault that the Lions have sucked?
Interesting concept, and you’ve taken the blame game to the ultimate peak.
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They kept buying tickets.
Want change? Don’t buy a ticket. Change will come quickly.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
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by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'd love to see your...
Attendance-change quotient when it comes to the Lions.
You REALLY think it mattered with that ownership/leadership?
I mean, granted that every rich owner wants to be more rich, but would you seriously argue that they were 100% devoted to winning football in the motor city?
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
No I wouldn't argue that. That organization was/is horrible and a poor basis for comparison to the Texans and McNair.
However, if ticket sales start to slump, an owner will be forced to take notice.
Losing millions of dollars isn’t really the plan for these guys.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
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by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Why should Bush be fired?
Does anyone else remember the defense we used to feature? Should Frank Bush have become Dick Lebeau in one year? I have been accused of wearing rose colored glasses often, but I don’t get the rampant Bush crucifixion. Myabe I’m alone there.
Other than that, I agree with you bfd.
You know... for kids.
I am not a Bush-hater
I have seen some promise in the defense. I think it has matured as the season has progressed. The overwhelming mistakes that they made in the first three weeks have been virtually eliminated. Sure, in the last game, in the last drive, MJD sidestepped his way to enough first downs to ice the game. But, I kinda want to give him one more year. It is Kubiak, who in my mind, has consistently demonstrated non-HC aptitude.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Agree
I was against Bush’s hiring because I felt we needed a more proven DC, but I have to say I’m curious about how he can develop this squad.
Kubiak is another story…
by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
I like Bush
and Frank’s a good guy, too.
What is our defense ranked when 40 is on the sidelines?
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, upgrading our backup free safety is a must.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
I'd like to know this as well.
Before this four-game losing streak, would anyone have called for his head?
If not, then you certainly shouldn’t be doing it now. The defense has done their job down that stretch. In fact, going back to the first Jacksonville game, I can’t think of a bad game they’ve played. They give up some big drives, but the overall product has been respectable.
If Kubiak goes, then Frank Bush goes too. But if we’re giving him another year, Bush deserves to stay as well. He has done his job better than anybody else on the coaching staff this year.
No, he shouldn't have
Because he shoudn’t have been hired. This team’s defense needed a massive overhaul, but instead they just settled. Settled for Frank Bush the rookie defensive coordinator, settled for Antonio Smith even though he wasn’t a game-changer, settled for Dunta Robinson even when it was clear he wasn’t very good last year.
What kills me, KILLS me….is we have a whole group of fans who are willing to say that “this isn’t good enough”, yet they want more Frank Bush because he shouldn’t have been expected to be great right off the bat. Football is a 16 game season, you don’t get do-overs and you don’t get to learn on the job without it costing you this year. Last I checked, Frank Bush has no pass rush despite blitzing an infinite number of times more than R.Smith, started John Busing on multiple occasions, flatly refused to spy Vince Young while he murdered us on the ground, and spent the first three weeks of the season trying to see if he could set a new record for most men in the first ten yards of the LOS while our poor-tackling DB’s got trampled. The defense still sucks against everything it sucked against last year. It still plays zone way too much, it still can’t deal with mis-direction, it’s still awful against play-action. It is a first-read defense.
The only upgrades we have made all year have been the run game after Week 3, and I’m willing to put my money on that being more the fact that we have drafted the defensive rookie of the year and paired him with another good front 7 rush stopper in Antonio Smith, along with Pollard’s emergence, than any part of the scheme.
Other than that though, Bush is great! And yes Nash, I did want him fired after three games. I actually wanted him fired the second Chris Johnson was left wide open.
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and if he statistically finishes
in the top 10, are you willing to concede he should stay?
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Depends on which "statisics" you use
If he somehow dramatically turns around the Texans in DVOA from 24th (or whatever it is now, 21st? Drunk memory is bad) to Top 10, then absolutely.
If he finishes Top 10 in Total Yards or whatever you guys are quoting at me in the other thread, that doesn’t matter to me.
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by riversmccown on Dec 13, 2009 4:17 AM CST up reply actions
I dont understand all the hate for Bush either. Its his first year for one, second we had a ton of injuries in the early part of the season. Since then the defense has vastly improved and we are probably better against the run than we have ever been before. Why would you not let the guy build on that?
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
I don't get the complaints about no pass rush, either.
Granted, we don’t have many sacks, but you’ve got to be Hellen Keller not to see the pass rush improvements by the front 4. Perfect example was against the Colts. No one gets to Peyton as much as we were that game.
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I hear an injured Charlie Johnson
Has the cure for blindness.
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by riversmccown on Dec 13, 2009 4:18 AM CST up reply actions
Change Nothing Or Everything
You can’t really do a partial change. If you do, you are looking at two years of flux, because next year we will suck and do it all over again. I’m not ready to do it all over again, so I would rather stay put.
Even the best coaches need that lucky break to get the winning streak going. Hiring a “proven” coach doesn’t get you anything as far as I can tell. The guy might have a magic hand one place, and completely suck the next. If the injury situation and the draft don’t break right, those winning seasons never materialize. In fact, this seems to be the norm. Look at Bum. A genius in Houston with Earl, and a schmuck in NO. My guess is that without Earl, he would be a schmuck here, too.
We’ve already invested the time in waiting for Kubiak and Smith to build the team. We’ve suffered through the two steps forward, one step back process of building the roster. We’ve suffered through the OTJ training of Kubiak, Bush, et, al. What’s the point of pitching it all when we get close, and starting all over?
by kozanack on Dec 8, 2009 9:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hiring a proven coach doesn't get you anything?
Ok, so what does keeping Kubiak get us?
And, yes, you can do a “partial” change. This team needs fixing, not re-building. That’s why it’ll be a plumb job.
Did you see the trick call Gary called Sunday? A “proven” coach would NEVER make that call. EVER. A proven coach would have said, “Ok. Let’s try and win this game and get this ball in.” Then he would have put the ball in the hands of his best players and let the other team try and stop them.
by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
He's not the first one to call that play down there
It’s only a terrible call because Brown shot-putted the ball to a defender. If he pitched the ball out of bounds, no harm no foul, and the Jags have something else to think about. If the play works, he’s a genius.
by kozanack on Dec 8, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No
If the play works, he’s lucky.
In those situations, you have to play basic, grind it out football. No time in trying to be “cute” and showing how much smarter you are. Kubiak is not a Bellecheck. Kubiak is struggling to get his team to respectability.
And, as someone else said, they can barely trust Chris Browns’ legs, and now they’re trusting his ARM?
WTF???
by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Basic, grind it out football.
As if we have that luxury. We have no running game because of our inferior interior line. On top of that, Schaub was injured and running a sneak would’ve been disastrous.
And about that basic, grind it out football you’re talking about. He’s tried that before. What were the results? Getting shutdown in the red zone. Three points instead of seven. Oh yeah, and the fumbles. So he decides to try something else, and he still gets crucified for it.
To be honest, that interception was NOT Chris Brown’s fault. And it’s not like you need a strong arm or pin point accuracy to make that kind of pass. You just needed the time which wasn’t given to him. And how dare he trust an athlete to make a 5-7 yard pass? Damn that Kubiak guy.
by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ive said it before hes basically in a damned if you do damned if you dont situation. He tried to focus on running the ball early in the season, everyone blamed him for sticking to it. He ditched the run for a throw it all the time approach, and people blast him for not getting a running game going. I still blame that play on Brown, all he had to do was go down or throw the ball into the stands. Its not like it was 3rd down and we needed a hero. It might not have been the best play call, I’ll give the anti-Kubiak crowd that much, but it would have had the same result as Brown crashing into the line on first down if Brown had just done his job properly.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
Completely agree with you, Koz!
Jeebus, where have you been??
Rec’d the shit out of this top comment.
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The feeling of " unlucky"
I can honestly say as a fan during the rosencopter game and the last against the colts I never expected to win…. I verbalized it. So I agree as a fan, I have a losing mentality. I think our players have this as well, a sort of “here we go again thing” how shocked do they ever seem after a terrible loss? I wanna see see punch Kris brown in the throat. That being said, how do we fix it? Well if I was playing madden I would trade 1st rounder and some bullshit for Julius peppers, sign the best free agents and trade them for any players I need and have a really good training camp, increasing duntas awareness by 7. Problem solved!
by WishIwasnotahoustonfan on Dec 8, 2009 10:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
- that’s see dre punch Kris brown in the dick
by WishIwasnotahoustonfan on Dec 8, 2009 10:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Good article, holmes
I’m curious as to why we would need to get rid of Kollar. Maybe Bills fans are ragging on us for having him, but then again, the Bills are one of the few teams we actually pwned this year, so perhaps they should think twice.
Also, imo (and I think FO backs me up on this but I haven’t checked in a while) the d-line is actually the strength of our defense this year, and not just because our secondary sucks so hard. IIRC we have an objectively good d-line.
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If I didn't have to leave for a reception
I would post some thoughts on that.
Maybe I’ll remember later. Or not.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
Two big reasons
Even with Mario, we don’t create nearly enough pressure from our front four.
The lack of development of Okoye. He’s been decent this year, maybe even average. But after three years, I have higher expectations of development.
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I remember you talking about Okoye this way before the season started
Considering he’s, what, 16? I think it’s possible to have unrealistic expectations. He’s definitely improved over last season and I would expect that he’s still on the steep upward slope of the learning curve.
In any event, even if the d-line is remarkably better against the run and only somewhat better against the pass, this is nothing short of a massive improvement over last year’s matador-esque d-line. And while we haven’t generated much in the way of sacks, you have to admit our pass rush is much better at generating pressure than last year. Even if it isn’t great in an absolute sense, there has been marked improvement relative to what it was last year.
(On a side note, how the fuck do you manage five sacks in one game and fail to win? What the fuck is up with that?)
And Mario obviously hasn’t played like we expect, yet he’s probably going to finish with seven sacks or so, which is pretty indicative of how spoiled we have become with him. I wonder how bad that shoulder is.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Rex Grossman and Matt Turk did everything in their power in the first half to give the jags a lead. Thats how 5 sacks don’t get you a win.
Well, there's more to it than that
It was just a little bit of flashback venting, really.
I’m ok now. Really.
/sobs uncontrollably
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
But seriously
Their avg starting position near the end of the half was their own 49 I think. Not really the defenses fault, and really if Schaub was in or Turk was doing his job that wouldn’t have been the case. In Turk’s defense, we did get a safety later.
Good shit son.
If McNair didn’t think that Kubiak could get it done, he wouldn’t have hired him in the first place and give him a FIVE year contract. That’s how long Kubiak was given to turn this team around. If it doesn’t happen in five years, then he doesn’t get an extension.
The two consecutive 8-8 seasons is what got him into this mess. We’re all a victim of our expectations. Just because a team finished .500 after two seasons it doesn’t mean that next year we’d finish with a better record and make it to our first playoff. It’s so easy to forget how hard it was for this team to even reach that mark.
When Kubiak took over this team, there were only 2 reliable starters. (Andre Johnson, Chester Pitts) You can say that Morlon Greenwood or Dunta Robinson should be on that list and I can say no and ask you how are they doing now? Greenwood is busy with his “hip hop” career and Petey Faggins Dunta’s, well you know how he’s doing now.
That’s 20 starters. All 11 on defense and 9 on the offense. Now we’re down to 4 on the defense and 3 for the offense. Another off-season could fix that problem so why not give him another year to put his preferred personnel in place?
In the minority here...
Our drafts and free agents under Rick Smith leave much to be desired, and we have few major contributors from the last 3 draft classes. I think he looks good mostly because he isn’t Charlie Crapasserly. Who exactly makes personnel decisions? Rick? Get a new GM. Gary? Get a new GM who can augment Gary, who did a nice job drafting in 2006. We are still floundering in mediocrity as a direct result of our level of talent and assuming that the GM is the one calling the personnel shots, I think it unfairly reflects on Gary.
Amobi Okoye, Jacoby Jones, Fred Bennett, Zach Diles, Duane Brown, Steve Slaton, Brian Cushing, Glover Quin have not made major contributions over the last 3 years? Thats not even counting the awesomeness of the 2006 draft since ppl are split on the credit there.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
We’ve definitely had more draft picks stick with the team since Kubes, but should we be satisfied with the results? IMO, no. Not if this is all we have out of 22 picks.
Amobi – contributing but should be more for a #10 pick? People call him a bust (but I think that’s harsh)
Jacoby – we all know his ups and downs
Bennett – does he make the team next year?
Zach – good diamond in the rough.
Brown – good but not great contributor
Slaton – great pick (assuming he recovers from his sophomore slump)
Cushing – great pick
Quin – solid backup, future starter?
Barwin – love the potential but he still has a way to go
Why can’t we demand more from our front office? These decisions have a much greater impact on the team short and long term than an ill-advised halfback pass.
by bv on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Please find the average success rate for the remaining NFL teams so that we can compare it to ours
Otherwise, this comment has no real meaning.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
I am curious about that as well.
My assumption, based purely on speculation, is that you would be lucky if 30-40% of your draftees are still on your team/playing after two or three years.
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by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
2006
I thought the split on the 2006 draft was whether Casserly was even involved, since this was during the time Reeves was evaluating the team. Per the Texans official website bio of Smith, he joined in June 2006. It lists 2007 as his first draft. Based on that I give none of the credit for the awesomeness of 2006 to Casserly or Smith.
In my mind I give Kubes the quarterback guru the credit for landing Schaub. I just don’t see what Smith has done that is so great to get overlooked with all of the current scrutiny of the team.
by bv on Dec 9, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
do you realize the salary cap hell he inherited? Also as far as having higher expectations on draft picks, Im not exactly sure what you are expecting. Are you expecting 5 picks a year to be starters? It doesnt work that way.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
5 starters a year? No.
Maybe I’m unreasonable. I just would expect when are turning over the roster from a mismanaged 2-14 team (granted he wasn’t there for the first year of rebuilding), you would end up with more contributors from the draft than the average team. Looking over the picks, it seems like we got a lot of guys who aren’t even good backups, but then again, not everyone is Bill Polian.
by bv on Dec 9, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Um… how many players are left from before 2006? The ones that are left are Winston Williams Pitts and Dunta.
Oh, Honey....
Don’t you see Pitts little name in the comment he was REPLYing to?
Silly pants.
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Do yourself a favor
Go find Matt’s complete crushing of BBS over on DGDB&D. I would find it but I can’t link to it right now. He deals with the idea that Smithiak had nothing to do with the 06 draft quite well. In short, there’s a lot of evidence out there that confirms the notion that Smithiak deserves full credit for that draft.
Also, it’s quite a good read if you like watching someone kill a cockroach with a tactical nuke.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
I had this argument with Bills fans who wanted Casserley. They kept citing that 06 draft as to why he didn’t suck.
The complete barrage of the contrary...
had them running for the hills on that one, though.
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Thank you
That post is proof that some things are right in this world.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Man I love Mario Williams
found through the link above
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/texans/2006-04-30-williams-pledge_x.htm
Williams once had other plans
The biggest surprise concerning Williams? The defensive end’s dream day nearly didn’t happen.
Williams pledged to quit football three years ago in order to provide for his sister, her young son and unborn baby after Sgt. Nicholas Hodson, 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade was killed in a Humvee accident during Operation Iraqi Freedom on March 22, 2003.
It turns out Williams is in the best possible position to fulfill his promise after signing his new contract because his sister urged him to fulfill his football promise.
“The war started on the 19th and Nick died on the 22nd near Nasiriyah,” Michelon Hodson says.
“After Nick passed, as soon as they told Mario at college, he came to my grandmother’s house where I was five months’ pregnant and my oldest son was 15 months.
“Mario touched my hand and said, ‘Missy, I’ll give it all up. I’ll quit football and I’ll work at McDonald’s. He said, ’I’ll take care of Marius and your baby.’
Hodson, 26, fought back tears as she spoke.
“I said, ‘Mario, if you want to do something for me, then you go and be the best you can be and you make that big money and you will take care of us,’ she says. “He was willing to give up his dream for something I needed.”
Tactical nuke is such a garbage idea. There is very little tactical about a goddamn fucking nuclear explosion. They sure are impressive though.
by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

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