The Hunt for Coach #3
TIM: Thanks to Rivers for this FanPost. While I'm still not ready to bid Kubes adieu, I'm always in favor of a good discussion; hence, the bump to the front page.
Admitting that Gary Kubiak isn't the right coach for this team is something that really pains me. I still think he can be a successful head coach, and I still think he's far from the biggest problem for the team (hello, defense!). But in light of the fact that a) I think he's going to be fired and b) I think he's had enough problems with clock management, playcalling, winning close games, and challenges to warrant it, I figured I'd put my thoughts on e-paper here about the next head coach.
Stipulation #1 for me in hiring a new head coach is that I want Kyle Shanahan to stay on as offensive coordinator. The overall offensive scheme that we have is successful, the players that we have on offense best fit the PA-pass system. I think most of the offensive problems this year stem from poor personnel (the interior offensive line, Slaton's struggles with fumbles/injuries, the lack of a good interior back) for the scheme rather than any problems with the scheme itself. To blow that up and start all over again with say, a total West Coast offense, would probably do more harm than good.
I would rather pair Baby Shan with a stellar defensive mind than deal with a new cook messing up what we have offensively, because we have made progress there. In the event that we CAN'T keep Shans, I think we should at least look into a similarly young/inexperienced mind that has the same Denver offensive principles. I'd also love to see Kubiak back as the offensive coordinator, but well, that's not going to happen. Haha. I think I've wasted enough words trying to say that the offensive scheme and the stars we have are good fits for each other, so let's move on to the candidates.
MY FAVORITES:
1) Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier - He has experience building a program out of nothing in college (Trinity), he improved pretty much every staff he was a part of prior to being a defensive coordinator (Philly, Cincy, Indy), He stumbled at first, given the Vikings after Mike Tomlin left, but the past two seasons he's presided over one of the better defenses in the NFL. He runs the 4-3. The 2008 Vikings had the best DVOA against three-wide sets in the NFL, something that could come in handy when Peyton Manning is in your division.
Reservations: I'm pretty sure he's a stellar coach, but well, as much as I hate Jared Allen, it's hard to not have a good defense with him and the Williams Wall at the forefront of everything. He's definitely had a lot of talent to work with in all of his professional stops, exempting perhaps the Bengals. However, he turned that Bengals team into a high-turnover machine, which tells me that he probably knows how to adapt to not having a good defense.
2) Carolina Panthers coach John Fox - Well, just look at his head coaching career. He's well over .500, and has yet to finish below 7-9 in a season. The Panthers defense has been outside of the Top 15 once in his entire eight-year stint with the Panthers, including three times in the Top 5. He loves man-to-man coverage, which after 8 years of hell having to deal with the zone defense this team throws out would be a godsend. He's also built big running games, has experience drawing up plays for a dominant wide receiver, and made a Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme as his quarterback. I can't help but look at the people who want him out of Carolina as people trying to make a change just for the sake of making a change. Runs the 4-3. Of all the retreads out there, I think he's the best bet for future success in Houston.
Reservations: His defense hasn't exactly set the world on fire the last few seasons, but they've also been dealing with an abnormal amount of injuries. Whether it's his fault or not, the Panthers definitely have traded up in the draft a lot for my taste. He has a tendency to rely too much on stars and not enough on depth. Of course, his hiring relies on the Panthers actually firing him.
3) Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator Sean McDermott - Hey, it's the guy I wanted to be our defensive coordinator last offseason! He's back! All McDermott has done this season is put the Eagles #3 in defensive DVOA despite the passing of Jim Johnson, several injuries, and a downright pathetic linebacking core that forced a midseason trade for Will Witherspoon. He philosophically tends to follow Johnson, and that's great because Johnson was one of the absolute best in his profession. Runs the 4-3. Has a background as a defensive backs coach that would come in handy given how it's our absolute weak point.
Reservations: He's very young, and the young coach trend hasn't shown itself to be the best thing for NFL teams over the past couple of years. Not a ton of data on him as a defensive mind, and has shoe-horned himself in with the Eagles to the point where it's difficult to be sure that he brings enough to the table on his own.
4) Cincinnati Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer - Presiding over the Cowboys defense for years, Zimmer survived numerous regime changes and had only one real bad year, 2004. Was the fall guy in 2005 despite a 12th-ranked DVOA defense because Wade Phillips was the main defensive cook. Hired by Bobby Petrino in Atlanta, he presided over an abysmal Falcons defense, but I'm willing to throw that year out since it was such a sideshow. The Bengals hired him to be second-chef for Marvin Lewis, and the Bengals defense has gone from 28th in DVOA in 07, to 16th in 08 and 17th in 09. Great backstory with his wife this year. Has 4-3 and 3-4 experience.
Reservations: He doesn't seem to have much recent experience being the #1 defensive mind. I don't like that he's been such a second banana. The Bengals defense would have been hardpressed not to improve with all the money and draft picks they've poured into it. More importantly, he's only presided over one defense that has been in the DVOA top 5 in any given year. I like him, but I think he's clearly the 4th best candidate wheras the other three I've juggled back and forth between the #1 spot. He could be someone who just doesn't have the coaching skillset to make the jump to head coach.
Those would be the first four guys I would interview. The rest of the guys I like fit into a few easy categories so I'll just give them capsules:
Guys I like slightly less, but whom I don't think would actually coach in Houston anyway: Bill Cowher (3-4, think we're not prestigious enough for him, and I'd rather have Fox than him anyway. Still, hard to ignore the resume.), Tony Dungy (He fits all the categories but can you really picture him joining the Houston Texans to try and beat Peyton? Me either.), Monte Kiffin (Extremely old and has already sort of taken on the happy father role with Lane at Tenn, but a hell of a coach.)
Guys I like who I don't think fit us scheme-wise: Dallas offensive coordinator Jason Garrett (would change the offense, don't think Jerry would let him get away), 49ers defensive coordinator Greg Manusky (prefers 3-4), former Rams coach Mike Martz (I think he's incredibly underrated and has an excellent scheme, but it goes away from what we have and putting Matt Schaub in a position to take a lot of hits isn't something that has historical support as a good idea).
Thoughts, BRB? Anyone I missed?
(More Texans talk and Game Charting observations throughout the year at: From Mom's Basement)
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I really dont want any coordinators looking for their first HC job, and I dont want any HCs who are about to get fired. They dont get to make a lateral move after getting fired. Seriously its Cowher or status quo for me.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
John Fox wouldn't be bad either
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Dec 8, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
WHY DOESNT EVER TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH COWHER I MEAN HE DID A GREAT JOB WITH PITTSBUGH AND I M SURE WE R NOT LOW ON TALENT HE CAN DO A LOT WITH THIS TEAM
by TEXANBYHEART on Dec 8, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
it would help...
if you replied back in all caps. in Cyrillic.
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
like this?
БИЛЛ КАУЕР САМЫЙ ХОРОШИЙ ТРЕНЕР В АМЕРИКАНСОМ ФУТБОЛЕ. НАШЕМУ ТЕКСАНСУ НАДО НАНИМАТЬ ЕГО СЕЙЧАС!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ЧЕМПИОНАТ АМЕРИКАНСКОГО ФУТБОЛА БУДЕТ НАШИМ. НАШИМ. С НИМ МЫ БУДЕМ ВЫИГРАТЬ ВСЕ ПОТОМУ ЧТО ОН МОЖЕТ РЕШИТЬ НАШИХ ПРОБЛЕМ.
by cubic on Dec 8, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I never thought I would be able to apply that Russian minor to a discussion of football.
by cubic on Dec 8, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Holy shit
I rec’d that.
You, sir, are made of win.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 3:29 AM CST up reply actions
Agree on being worried about a first timer...
I think that’s been Kubes’ biggest issue with us is LEARNING how to be the HC. It’s not easy to suddenly be thrust into the spotlight, especiallly with a talent-deficient team and fickle fanbase/local media.
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fickle fan base, I don't think so
8 years of sellouts for a predominantly losing team. Fan support has been good overall to date IMO. The franchise may be at a critical juncture though in the fans’ eyes. We need a sign from management that they are commited to continuous improvement.
It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!
by oiler-texan diehard on Dec 8, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Personally I have attended an average of 9 of the 10 games each year
and I do not like to boo the home team. Love cheering when we do well, but I just get quiet and sad when we suck. Yes there are some who very vocally show their disdain when we fail, but I still think the majority of the fans have been positive to date. We are, however, at a critical juncture and Mr. McNair must handle this very carefully to avoid alienating his ticket buying fans. He is a hugely successful businessman, and am sure he understands the gravity of the situation. The HC position is not unlike that of a chief executive of a major business unit. I am confident that McNair will demand a thorough analysis before making any personnel decisions.
Keep the faith bro. It’ll get better.
It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!
by oiler-texan diehard on Dec 8, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
3 different fan-types
1. Indifferent. Corporate fans. Will buy season tickets regardless, because it’s a perk… a fashion show. All fanbases have these.
2. Diehard fans. Devoted entirely, regardless of the situation/coach/players/standing. Will buy tix regardless, and stay throughout.
3. Diehard posers. Claim to be diehard fans, but will not hesitate to throw the “I spent my hard-earned money for THIS!” out, and boo to “show their displeasure about the product on the field.” Constantly looking for things to complain about, and do it openly and regularly.
Now, sadly the #3’s are the ones constantly in McNair’s ear, because they won’t shut up. McNair knows that he’ll always have the loyal revenue of the 1s and 2s, so us 2s are scared to death that the 3s will always get their way, sometimes to the extreme detriment of the team. Sometimes, admittedly, the team ignores the 3s. Sometimes not.
Houston is widely known for having a shitload of 3s, IMO.
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by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've had so many arguments about this
And I agree on #3.
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
orly?
I pay my money.
I give my support.
I participate in “team” activities.
I WANT my team to succeed.
But despite regime changes, the effect is the same, failure and a losing mentality.
Yet if you say something negative, you are labeled a poser?
Well color me a poser then, because I don’t take this crap sitting down. I want a legitimate third party to vote for damnit.
Oh, you were talking about football?
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
LOL...I don't care if it's me or not. Not a big deal.
I’m just saying that in a discussion of anything else, we would support someones right to be critical of something they support with their time and money.
But when it is the hometeam, we expect people to shut up and take it in the butt?
If you are at the game throwing beer at the players and booing every single play, sure that’s out of line.
But if you are unhappy about the team’s progress, being vocal about it should not land you in the “poser” column.
No more than blindly supporting a failing product should land you in the “mindless sheep” category.
And the “I pay for this” argument is pretty legit. People spend ALOT of time and money on the NFL. ALOT. It is reasonable to expect something other than mediocrity after 8 years when you are dropping $300-400 dollars at a time to take your kids to a game.
I’m just saying, I don’t see what makes the #2 sheep any better than the #3 complainer. Both LOVE the team, they just have different levels of bullshit tolerance.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
The difference, as I see it...
Is that the diehards can objectively look at a player, play, coach, scheme, or game and interpret something other than a pass/fail grade. They will usually try to read beyond the black and white of what’s in question.
Perfect example: Texans ball on opponent’s 3 yard line… Texans run a sweep for a no-gain. A #3 would immediately shout from the rooftops that the coaches are idiots for not pounding it in, while a #2 can think back to how very little success we’ve had “pounding it in” and knows that’s probably due to subpar talent at the interior line spots. A 2 will realize that the coaches’ options were very limited, but they tried something that had a better chance of working than what normal football guidelines would suggest. While the #3 is complaining for the next week or more, they don’t bother listening to all the #2s out there, telling them that they need to consider other things than what Football 101 tells them to do.
The examples are countless, and infuriating to the #2s when they get bashed with it all week, after a loss.
So, while I don’t doubt a #3’s fanhood, per se, I think they owe the team and themselves a little more than finger pointing and constant complaining.
You’re pissed that the team isn’t better, record-wise? Well guess what… so is everyone else. But to give absolutely no thought as to WHY the record might be where it is, is pointless.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I don't think anyone is dismissing the myriad of uncontrollable factors going into a record.
But when your team’s entire history is a myriad of little reasons for failure, those excuses begin to become tiresome.
We all understand that injuries affect the game, and Kubiak didn’t miss those field goals himself. Things like Chris Brown getting hit as he threw or Matt Schaub getting knee-capped by Jared Allen.
Eventually though the excuses have to stop and you have to play through the mistakes and find a way to win. That just isn’t happening and after 8 years it is becoming tedious.
He has had fours years to turn this around and while it is better, we still have gaping holes and absolutely NO depth on this team unless you count tight ends.
After four years you should at least have some depth somewhere.
Anyway, it frustrating and painful being a Houston sports fan. It sure would be nice to see a hometown team do something (Acknowledging that the Rockets and Hakeem were awesome!) other than fly along in mediocrity.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
So there has been improvement.
From what I understand.
And there is some depth at certain positions like WR, LB and TE.
But overall, we’re still not there.
Fantastic points, but...
Where it would appear we differ the most is in how long it takes to add depth and fill holes.
Yes, we’ve had 8 years, but the first 4 were an Andre Johnson and Pitts away from being a complete waste. We were able to give a shit ton of young players some early playing time they wouldn’t have had on other teams (Gaffney) and give some wash-ups another year in the sun. Other than that, all they did was (apparently) piss guys like yourself off for the remainder of your fandom of the team. I know you’ve seen them making strides to fill all those holes the past couple of years, and I know you realize there’s more to fill. So, I say let them finish out filling the roster to a level of competitiveness and respectability, and THEN cut bait on the coaches if they don’t come through for you.
I have no doubt that your heart’s in the right place, but there’s still a little work for them to do before the ultimate judgehammer drops.
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yeah
not you.
I think their needs to be a #4 which blends #2 and #3. Critical die-hard fans.
Though your fantasy team does blow beagles.
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
And then there's you
Second fewest points in the league, yet you have a winning record??? WTF?
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
Look at my PF-PA....lol I'm in the negatives there yet winninng...rofl.
I had a few HORRIBAD losses though. One was like 120-47….
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I remember that game.
I felt bad for you! Around that time, I didn’t think that either one of us would be making the playoffs lol
That's a testament of my awesomeness.
It’s not my fault that the teams i’ve beaten scored less than I did.
Oh, and my team was auto-drafted and i’ve been shifting players in and out every week. And I still have a winning record. Another testament of my awesomeness!
Because you are a division winner? It isn't based on record, so I guess it's the division?
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Wait...it's based on hate?
How is that measured?
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
The more BFD hates you
The higher your seeding is. Since you beat him last week, his hatred towards you is more. And that’s why you’re ranked second. I come at a close third.
Ah ok...wondered how I got a bye.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I need an opinion.
I have four RB’s but not sure which ones to start. I have Benson(coming off an injury and had a 100+ yd game last week) Frank Gore, Maroney and Forsett. Who to sit, who to start and why?
And of course the TE situation with Jason Witten and Kevin Boss. Philly has given up more yds and tds to TE’s than any other team in the league so im thinking I should start Boss but that insight didn’t help at all when the eagles faces cowboys. I started Witten and got five frickin points while Boss had 70+ yds and a td.
It’s gonna be a close game this week, and I wanna make sure I get the most out of everybody.
Benson. He is definitely looking to show he is the man after coming of an injury whee Larry Johnson played a great game in his spot. He has motiviation to do well.
Other than that you don’t have a great option based on who those teams are playing.
I would probably go Gore or Maroney. I think our D will shut down Forsett.
I would go WItten. Romo just remembered he has a tight end.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Im sold on Gore.
He’s not a fumbler but im scared he will because of the rain. Arizona’s D is playing well as of recent so I am a little worried about starting him.
With Forsett, he doesn’t get a lot of rushing yards because Seattle’s main back is Julius Jones. But he makes up for it in the passing game where he’s shown plenty of ability to make yards after catch. And he’s become their goal line back which guarantees at least a TD per game.
As for Benson, he’s facing the Vikes D. Scary but he’s been breaking off 100 yd games against good defenses this whole season.
I only have till tomorrow to decide.
I like Frazier and McDermott.
If you could keep Baby Shan, I think they would be a good fit here.
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Agree with almost all of this...
except for the idea that Mike Martz is ever a good idea as head coach. I watched a ton of Rams games during my three years in StL. Martz is a brilliant offensive mind, but the rest of being a headcoach (clock mgmt, personnel decisions outside of skill positions, not letting your ego block the view of the fans in the upper deck, etc.) escapes him. If we were bringing in a new coach and were hiring Martz as OC, I’m 100% on board. But no way, no how do I think you bring him in as a head guy.
Yay, sports.
by MDC on Dec 8, 2009 8:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I posted that knowing someone would make me dig out my PFP2005
Top 10 NFL Coaches, Average yearly difference between actual wins and pythagorean wins (minimum 2 seasons)
1) Mike Martz, 0.66.
Top 10 NFL Coaches, Winning % when having the lead at any time in the 4th quarter, 1974-2004 (minimum 20 leads)
1) Mike Martz .914
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you that he’d be a bad fit, after all, I did throw him in the bottom column. But I would like to see him get a chance to run a whole show again. This probably isn’t the right place.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
I don't have my PFPs here at work...
but where did the Rams rank on defense throughout the Martz years? Also, he drafts like shit. See, e.g., Carriker, Adam, and Hill, Tye.
Yay, sports.
Fair point
I’m not saying I actually want him touching anything on defense. They had Lovie Smith over there for a reason.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Dec 13, 2009 4:22 AM CST up reply actions
Actually now that I think about it
… is a brilliant offensive mind, but the rest of being a headcoach (clock mgmt, personnel decisions outside of skill positions,…) escapes him. If we were bringing in a new coach and were hiring … as OC, I’m 100% on board.
If I squint my eyes hard here, is that Gary Kubiak?
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
Martz is only good as an OC
He’s had too many issues as HC. You need a good defensive HC to go with Martz at OC
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Dec 8, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
What about
Mike Holmgren? I do like Frazier and tink that could be a good fit.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
Holmgren
Offense first guy, and he would put us into the West Coast. Same with Gruden. I think they’re both fine coaches but I wouldn’t want to have to bring in the personnel changes when I think the offense is more or less championship caliber.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
This offense is not chanpionship caliber yet. We need a running game and an O-Line.
The only way this offense is championship caliber is if you get a championship defense that holds opponents to 17 or less a game.
If the offense can work out the running game/oline issue then it will be a serious offense.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 8, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, two things that I have pointed out earlier in this fanpost.
Perhaps I should have used the word “scheme” again. The stars fit the scheme. We still need to improve the talent at the weak spots.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
WLL WE HAVE GREAT DEFFENCE IF THE DAMN OFFENSE CAN STAY ON THE FIELD MAYBE THEY WOULDNT WEAR OUT AS MUCH
by TEXANBYHEART on Dec 8, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Stats say you're wrong.
The Texans, despite having the 4th worst rushing offense, are 9th in time of possession per game.
Somehow, the offense does stay on the field better than 23 other teams.
Because it takes us 30 seconds to figure out the play and get it going.
But if it works, fine by me.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 8, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Is Fisher safe, you think?
If not, I would jump all over that shit.
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consistently coaches
dirty players.
Coincidence?
Thats my only problem with him. If its not a coincidence.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Yes, but...
As the besf fans have illustrated, you don’t see their dirty when they’re YOUR players.
Are you a rockets fan? I bet you never had an issue with Horry or Elie being complete wastes of human flesh.
Spurs? Horry and Bowen.
Just joshing though… I see your point, and I would hate to have any thugs, but Fish CONSTANTLY gets his guys to play way above their talent levels, and his teams plays great defense.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
he's also a tad stubborn offensively
I would hate to be the tits last year on the 4th down KC pass that won the game for us.
Yeah they ended 13-3, but I honestly think we’d be 12-0 right now if we had fat albert.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
stubborn, no
I would run option CJ 100% of the time. Is that stubborn?
To me, its like he holds back his offense. Like Nick Saban did this season at alabama. Then he opens it up v. Florida, and they put up 30-some points on the previous #1 ranked defense.
I want someone with a killer instinct, who can put people away. Not try to keep it close. I’m kinda over that.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Have you watched Tenn?
It seems to me that feeding CJ as much as possible is exactly what they do.
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yes
I’m looking at Fish over the last 4-5 years, not right now.
He was told to put VY in, or KC would be his QB. He is stubborn. Thats my point.
With VY in, obviously he’s doing the right thing. CJ left, CJ right, CJ middle.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
and I think
we play the boys next season.
Should be fun. mnf?
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
I would be surprised if they give us a MNF game next year.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 8, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Your reasoning?
Are we getting kicked out of the NFL and I didn’t know it?
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Sarcasm?
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 8, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
it wouldn't be for us
we’d be playing the Cowboys.
They’d have something to talk about.
They’d hire Aikman to call the game.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
If he was going to get fired
I think it would’ve either happened after 59-0, or after the sisterfuckers failed to turn around a little. He’s got them playing too well, I think he’s more than safe.
I think he’s a great coach, but I sure as hell wouldn’t want him on our sideline. Too much pent-up hate.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Dec 8, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
it may come down to
beelzebud wants VY, and Fisch does not.
Fisch has been immasculated this season, and I think it will come to a head in the offseason.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Saw an article a few days ago...
that said by beelzebud forcing VY into the lineup he breached Fisch’s contract. Things that make you go Hmmmm!
I have gone back and forth on Fisch as Texans HC. If he left the offense alone and just worked his magic on the defense and getting rid of the little (or not so little as the case may be) bullshit penalties Texans keep committing I think he would be a good fit….but would he be able to do that?
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
excellent post rivers
I’m not sold on BabyShan, as I said earlier.
I think we’d be better served with a “brilliant offensive mind” as OC, and “brilliant defensive mind” as HC, who appoints a BabyShan-like apprentice as DC.
As far as scheme on the offensive side, I think we draft 1-S, 2-NT, 3-OG, 4-OG, so the offensive line can be significantly improved/schemes adjusted if its our current two tackles, two starting guards in the draft, and Caldwell at C.
Definitely not major changes on offense, but someone who can adapt to our strengths.
Frazier has had HC experience. Kubiak did not. So coordinators do not automatically come inexperienced in game/clock management.
I like Frazier, and you have put McDermott on my radar. I’ll have to do some more digging. The others wouldn’t be on my list, unless Cowher states he’d run a 4-3.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
It's not that I'm against hiring 2 brilliant minds and a clock manager and all of that
But realistically, do you think the Texans will do that? The only owner willing to pull that sort of stunt was Daniel Snyder, and he has more money than God.
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by riversmccown on Dec 8, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Frazier would fit the bill as HC
in my scenario.
So brilliant mind is a relative term. Relative to our DC history.
Then just pony up for a offensive guru, not a project.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Charlie Weis for OC anybody?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
The restaurants of Houston...
…rec this comment.
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SAFETY? Seriously??
Still in that camp, eh?
Not only do the other positions you listed trump Safety as a need, but CB and C do too.
I mean… draft or sign a safety, by all means, so we don’t have to trot Busing or Brian Russell out there ever, but there’s no way Safety should be above any of those other positions, in terms of need.
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rounds one and 2 are interchangeable
and the quality drop off of safeties in the later rounds v. OG’s would be less, I would think, but I’m no expert on the draft.
I think we need a starting FS in this draft, yes. I think the impact of improvement in that position would help our weak DB corps. I don’t think we need another 5th-7th round safety. We have enough backups.
Eugene Wilson needs to be on the field, not injured, or start the season as a backup, for our defense to have a chance. The dropoff is huge.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
So...
Because Eugene Wilson is so much better than his backups, we need to replace him because he might get hurt?
Like I said, I have no problems bringing in someone significantly better than Busing or Russell. But early rounds of the draft are not where we do this. Those other positions discussed above are holes that need to be filled, as priority #1.
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because Wilson is so much better than his backups
we need someone at least as good as him in the draft/FA.
How about that?
I think OG’s in rounds 3-4 could start and be upgrades for us.
I think Safeties in rounds 4-7 are what we currently have on the roster. Besides our two starters, which is my point.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Which is exactly why you look to free agency for that need.
You want a proven talent at the spot, to be able to go in there, without much dropoff. Most college safeties end up as projects and crapshoots, regardless of what round they get drafted in. So, my question is, why run the risk when our major holes are elsewhere and need all the attention we can give them?
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You can address multiple defensive holes in the same free agent period?
We don’t have to throw every bit of money at the position of most need?
BLASPHEMY!
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by riversmccown on Dec 8, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
The place we get all our safeties from after the season starts.
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by riversmccown on Dec 8, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 4:07 AM CST up reply actions
I'll take FA
I’m not opposed to upgrading Wilson by any means necessary.
If Brett Favre is on the field, Wilson needs to be subbed out, and Pollard needs to be directed to his knees.
So you’d like 1-NT, 2-DB, 3-OG, 4-OG?
I can handle that if we get a FA FS. We need starting caliber FS in addition to Wilson. Its killed us this season when he’s not in there.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Draft arguments!
Just in case i forgot I was a Texans fan. I think we’ve got to bite the bullet and draft an NT. A huge one, and in the first round.
re: draft arguments
yup, it must be December.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Cowboys are losing as well
It’s starting to look a lot like Christmas
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sure there's sense to be made out of this post...
But I’m not finding it.
So, do you think Wilson is good or bad?
And yes, I want those things listed as the priority, not necessarily as rounds of the draft. If it falls that way, great, but it rarely does. But ranked priorities, yes, I agree with the list.
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not sure what doesn't make sense
Favre took out Wilson in the pre-season, leading to the safety position disaster 1-2 start.
He’s hurt for the second time v. the tits and now we have Busing back for more fun and games.
Wilson is a serviceable Safety. I would like to expand our view of how good and what impact a player at that position can have on this team.
If Wilson is our backup, someone is (gasp) better than him. And our defense may play better.
I don’t think we need another 6th round Safety project.
I will entertain your idea of free agency safety, and you are probably right about college safeties being a crapshoot.
However we accomplish it, if Eugene Wilson is fighting for his job in 2010, we’ll have an upgraded defense, imo.
Sorry for the confusion. I’m not so good at the written word.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
This would be nice, but getting a number one corner would have a bigger impact I think, but we do need to find a way to get someone better then Barber or Busing to backup Wilson or we will just find ourselves in this position again next year.
absotively.
with you all the way on that.
Phil, it’s obvious we don’t agree on how good Wilson is. You call him servicable, and in need of replacing, while I think he’s pretty solid to pretty good.
That’s just, like… your opinion, man.
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He doesn’t suck, and is starting caliber. I’ll give him that much. Is he a play maker? No not really, but for this team we have much bigger holes elsewhere that need to be addressed before trying to upgrade at positions we already have solid players at.
Now if Berry magically falls into our laps without having to trade picks, I’ll be more then happy to take him, or if Mays somehow falls to us in the 2nd I would reconsider. Hell, we can platoon Wilson Pollard + Rookie with Pollard coming off in obvious passing downs since that isn’t his strength.
re: finding ourselves in this position again next year
precisely.
The dude we get may see a significant amount of time on the field. If injuries are just part of Wilson’s career.
Thats what I’m afraid of.
A corner is cool, but I think, as was stated many times this past offseason, more pressure created by a space eating NT eating up blockers, will help out our DB’s.
And not having Dunta cover their #1 will vastly improve our whole secondary. So, look, we’ve already upgraded our #1 CB.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
GQ or Reeves will probably look almost as bad covering a proper number one reciever as Dunta has. Plus, who the hell is going to play nickle, Mccain? I’m not sure I’m all that comfortable with that.
well we have FA
and I think my updated list has CB in round 2.
So hopefully one of those is at least a good CB2.
If GQ improves to CB1.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
I've always wondered
why he wasn’t there in the first place.
Byrd was a DB in college I think, and look how that has turned out.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
We need him too much at Corner.
up until he got his eggs scrambled, he was our starting CB2, fellas.
Now, this offseason is a perfect time to switch him out, assuming we get some people to cover the corners.
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WHY DO U WANT A DEFFENSIVE MINDED TEAM WE NEED AN OFFENSE!!
by TEXANBYHEART on Dec 8, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
We get it.
You know how to use the CAPS LOCK. Congratufuckinglations.
by Jordann on Dec 8, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I know everyone seems to hate
Charlie Weis, but I think he was pretty legit in the NFL. His game just didn’t translate to college.
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I'd be ok with him as OC
until he made the Pete Carroll comments.
I’m not sure anyone’s hiring him cept the Pats now.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Nice List
The only thing i disagree with in most of this HC talk- which this post is thankfully free of- is The Cowher delusion. It’s not going to happen and frankly I don’t think for our team at this point it’s even a particularly good idea. That said, good list. But can you really foresee a scenario in which we hire a new HC, fire Gary, and BabyShan gets to stay put? I just don’t see it happening.
I'm up for the "Anbody but Kubiak" option
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Shanahan and Kubiak are as married as some people think
I think it’s a plausible scenario. Particularly if Baby Shans gets a nice raise.
Do I think it will happen? Probably not. But that’s more because I just don’t have faith in the Texans.
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by riversmccown on Dec 8, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
The point was, i think...
That most coaches that come in will want to bring their own people.
Not that Shan would quit if Kubes got axed.
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Very true...
That may come into play whether Kubes makes it another year or not.
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I wondered if Kubes
might play for PapaShan, even here.
But I think its a long shot, here at least.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Good point.
I wonder if the coaching landscape might be so easy this offseason that we’d be able to dictate that to our hires. They get veto power, they get the defense calls, clock management, timeouts, etc Shans calls the offense.
Who else is getting fired? Zorn is a given. Cable? Fox? Mangini? Maybe Wade or Lovie? It doesn’t seem like a big year for hirings, all the bad teams hired last year. Carolina and Houston might have the glamour landing spots.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
I think we need to get a really strong DC in here.
Ideally you want your OC and DC to be running the playcalling and all the head coach is doing is managing the clock and deciding when to go for it, kick a FG, etc…
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not to sound stupid but
what does DVOA stand for. I read a lot of the posts on this forum and you guys use these little abreviations and inside nicknames and you should try to remember that not everyone that comes here can decipher what some of this stuff means.
Thanks!
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Its a stat that
essentially makes Andre Johnson the 23rd best receiver in the league.
Or something like that.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 8, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ah, apologies
Here is a pertinent link: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods
Essentially it’s a carefully calculated method of just how much better than average a given team, unit, or player is on a per-play basis.
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by riversmccown on Dec 8, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
but here's the real answer
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
As for the inside nicknames
Search for a post by TehGrindcrusher named Battle Red Blog Glossary Terms. That should explain the nicknames.
Interesting note on Leslie Frazier
His contract expires after this season…and last year he nearly missed out on 2 coaching jobs. Something tells me this guy becomes a coach in 2010.
Frazier's special area of knowledge?
Defensive backs. Frazier was specifically brought in by Dungy to help the Colts young corps of Defensive Backs. During his time in Indy the Colts passing defense improved from 15th in 2005 to 2nd in 2006.
Considering the Texans woeful coverage, I’m becoming more and more of a fan of his.
And he's a minority, too!
I don’t know what this means, but he is. You cannot deny it.
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I, for one, will be tremendously happy if my team hires the first ever female NFL head coach
So let’s hire this Leslie bitch.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 AM CST up reply actions
MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!!
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
"Hello defense"?
I’ll get around to reading this tomorrow. Too drunk and too late right now on China time. But on the subject of the offensive scheme being successful… Huh? The defense has done everything they’ve been asked to do this season outside of the first Jacksonville game to put us in position for a playoff berth. Aside from that game, every loss falls on the shoulders of our offense. I plan to write a fanpost on this soon, because I feel like this concept of the Texans having a “dynamic offense” is a misconception and relic of the 2008 season that gets thrown around too often this year.
by Nashmeister on Dec 8, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Statistically speaking
The Texans are 9th in Total Offense (yds per game; 4th in passing, 29th in rushing), 13th in total points, 14th in 3rd down conversion %, and a surprising 9th in time of possession (surprising because we are bottom 5 in a lot of rushing stats).
Defensively the Texans are 16th in Total Defense, 14th in total points allowed, 18th in 3rd down converted against %,
Combined? They are a -1 in Turnover ratio. The defense doesn’t force turnovers and the offense turns it over way too much.
As a team, the offense is still ahead of the defense. The problem of course is scoring 7s and not 3s and turnovers. The defense is now mediocre as opposed to bad.
Mediocre has been thrown around much
I dont think the defense deserves the word mediocre, but average. But i do agree on the fact that our defense has no excuse for not being on the top ten list.
Correction
The defense is tied for 9th in takeaways, the offense is tied for 11th (most) in giveaways. My bad defense, this is one category where you’re above average on.
And one category...
Where the offense is well below average. It’s also a category that directly plays into the defense’s statistics. That 23-yard TD run by Simpson at the end of the Indy game? Meaningless and the offense is entirely to blame for it, yet it factors into our ppg-allowed. Hard to prevent points from going on the board when the other team gets the ball in field-goal range.
I would still argue that...
…the offense can move the ball better than the defense can stop anyone. If the offense went up against the defense then Andre Johnson would flat out abuse Dunta Robinson (oh man, I kinda would love to see that).
That’s why the defense gets more blame than the offense because it’s still not anything other than average (16th, 14th, and 18th in the 3 key stats I pointed out above). Whereas the offense can at least move the ball better than most teams.
However, you are correct that our offense deserves more blame (4th in passing; 29th in rushing, I mean what is that? 11th most turnover prone offense?), and I’m looking forward to the fanpost to see what else gets pointed out.
The defense is pretty good playing the run...
unless the game is on the line in the 4th quarter with 4 minutes to go….
Our pass defense however is awful.
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by TexansForever on Dec 8, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Surprisingly...
…the pass defense is slightly better than average at 14th in the league (yards per game), 13th fewest yards per pass, 14th fewest passing TDs allowed. The Texans are 10th in allowing passes over 20+ yards. The pass defense is also 17th in passer rating against.
The rush defense allows the 5th most rushing TDs in the league. The Texans give up the 5th most 20+ yard runs and 3rd most 40+ yard runs. The Texans allow 4.6 ypc which stands at 3rd highest in the league, but somehow teams don’t run the ball against the Texans (13th least run against team).
Of course, this tells you that the Texans are just an average defense. The eye test confirms this as they play good in some instances and then bad in others. In most stats, the Texans hover 9-18. We’re just an average team and the record supports that.
If you take the first three games of the season out and then look at the defense you will get a more accurate picture.
Once Pollard came in and Cushing got some games under his belt, the D changed dramatically.
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by TexansForever on Dec 8, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
And we still see an average defense.
We have flashes of brilliance and agonizing pain. We have drives where it’s like running into a brick wall and then we have drives where swiss cheese would be more effective.
Is it lack of talent? Bad coaching or scheming? Or young, growing talent?
It’s probably a bit of all three. Right now it looks like Kubes won’t be around when some of these guys grow up and some of these guys are in Canada or the UFL where they belong.
If this is how we are going to add it all up...
can we also take away the last 4 losses, the first half of the Arizona game, the second half of the 49ers game and the loss to the Jets and see how good we would be on defense if those games never happened? Top 5?
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
Maybe this is a problem of expectations in your head
The defense moving from “putridly atrocious and horrific” to “still pretty bad” seems to have turned people on the offense, which is sort of interesting. Instead of losing games by giving up 30+ points, we are losing games giving up 20-30 points.
Also, please don’t tell me you are going to blame the offense for the second Colts loss. I think I already blew up at someone about that here.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
Meanwhile...
The offense has moved from mediocre to slightly below average, due to their propensity for turnovers.
Here’s what I see on a game-by-game basis
Week one: the offense puts up 183 net yards and turns it over twice (three if you consider the failed fourth-down conversion). The defense gives up ten points in the first half, but the offense never takes advantage of it and struggles until garbage time, nearly getting blanked.
Week two: the offense certainly bailed us out here. Chalk up one win for the good guys.
Week three: Bad defensive effort against the Jags. This loss is on them.
Week four: Overall beatdown against Oakland.
Week five: Rough first half defensively against Arizona, yet our offense fails to score given seven opportunities with the ball. There’s also some terrible end-of-the-half clock management that gives Arizona the ball back at mid-field with over a minute to play. In the second half, the defense gives up nothing. Their game-winning points came off of a pick-six, then of course, the offense stalled at the one yard-line again. When it’s all said and done, they held the Cardinals under their PPG average. When you play a high-powered offense, 21 is more than acceptable.
Week six: Nice team effort against Cinci. Balanced victory, with the defense forcing four turnovers.
Week seven: That was a bit of a scare. Defense went prevent in the second-half after dominating the first. Yet why does our offense go prevent in the second half as well?
Week eight: We turned the ball over three times in the first quarter, yet we went into the half down just 10-6. Sure, it was the Bills. But the defense did a phenomenal job keeping us in the game despite offensive miscues. Turned into a route after that, as the defense kept it up and the offense finally got it together.
Week nine: Colts on the road, we needed a big offensive performance. What do we get? Out of the gate: punt, interception, punt, punt, fumble, field-goal (after a key interception by Pollard). This is a game that any other year in the history of this franchise, we would have been blown out of by half-time. Fast forward a bit: we go down by three, then throw an interception. Two minutes left, game over, right? Nope, the defense forced a key three-and-out. Oh, then we miss a field-goal. Big-time. Holding the Colts to 20? Great work. Scoring 17? Pathetic.
Week eleven: 17 points. At home. Against a bad Titans defense. That ain’t gonna get it done. Mediocre effort on both sides of the ball, but this is the kind of game that a good offense steps up and wins.
Week twelve: First-half beatdown followed by second-half meltdown. The Colts are sitting at 21 points with eight minutes to play, and we promptly give them a pick-six, then the ball in our territory via a fumble. Our offensive handed them fourteen points, and they didn’t even score a point in the second-half until garbage time. Sure, the defense gave up a couple big drives in the second half. But blaming the defense for this loss is akin to blaming them for the Rosencopter loss.
Results versus process
The pieces are in place for this offense to be great, LONG-TERM. I’m not saying they’ve been a great offense this year, but 10th in DVOA is pretty nice all things considered. It’s incredibly difficult to score/win with the number of ways the Texans have shot themselves in the foot this year. Consider that:
-Kris Brown has cost us chances to win two games.
-Owen Daniels has missed half of our games thus far and won’t be back.
-Our running game is absolutely pathetic thanks to the interior offensive line, which means we are going to struggle to put 7 points on the board in the red zone.
-Chris Brown is awful.
-Kubiak has made a number of questionable playcalls, and one play call that should have led to him getting fired on the spot.
-Slaton’s fumbleitis, which (I’m sure I’ll take heat for this opinion too) I’m starting to think is partially him trying to play hurt, has cost us many points.
Long-term, Matt Schaub is going to give up interceptions at a higher than average rate. Doesn’t make him a terrible quarterback, but it clearly makes him a non-elite one. Other than that, I think every issue on offense is correctable with as little as one good offseason. We will still be turnover prone, but with a stellar run game we will be fine.
Whereas the defense, I think when all is said and done, has played above their heads in the red zone and has kept the heat off of themselves by doing so. That’s something that tends to regress as time goes on. As I posted in BFD’s thread, there is still no pass rush, there are still way too many non-productive players on the field, and they still struggle with any manner of trickery, mis-direction, or pull. Another thing to keep in mind is that our opponents average a start at the 26 yard line, which is third best in the league and something that the defense has zero control over.
I can understand why the RESULTS make you think that the defense has been better, I just don’t think anything we’ve done on defense has any long-term improvement for the team asides from acquiring Brian Cushing and having Pollard fall into our laps.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
When I look at the offense...
I see a below-average squad, talent-wise, being held up by a good offensive coach. You talk about long-term for this offense, but how is that going to happen? What if OD doesn’t come back? What do you do with the offensive line? Chester Pitts is going to cost a fortune. If you can’t bring him back, then you risk going into next season with some mix of Myers, Brisiel, Caldwell, and possibly a rookie fighting for a few spots. That isn’t exactly confidence-inspiring. Maybe they’ll find a way to give Schaub time still, but I can guarantee you that running game won’t improve much with those guys in the trenches.
This defense, however, seems to rely on safety play, and safety is one of the lowest-paid positions in the game. If they can keep Wilson and Pollard, I’m not worried about. This defense has had four below average games. Three games before we signed Pollard, and the last one (against Indy) came when Eugene Wilson was out of the lineup. With both of those guys playing, they give up just under 16 points per game.
As for our defense playing well in the red-zone—huh? From what I can tell, they’re 30th in the league, giving up a score 67% of the time. They’re 16th in the league in YPG allowed and 19th in PPG. Nothing about that suggests that they’re playing over their heads.
Re: Pitts
I respectfully disagree that Chester will cost a fortune to bring back. He’s coming off microfracture surgery, which should drastically affect how much he commands.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Dec 9, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
If he comes back
Microfracture and career ending are often in the same sentence.
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by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Is it really that hard to get average NFL players?
Because I think that’s all we need to fix the offense. We don’t need Pro Bowlers, we need 6 or 7 guys who can throw a block 90% of the time and open up a hole 30-40% of the time. There are solid linemen who sign for scraps.
Caught me with my pants down on the red zone defense. Good show. Maybe it’s just been between the recent games it seems we are holding them to 3 a lot more often…the Jags/4th down stop, the first Colts game could’ve easily been 35-0 at halftime.
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by riversmccown on Dec 13, 2009 4:30 AM CST up reply actions
Great Post Rivers...
I too like Baby Shan, but Im not sold on keeping him. I feel that if we get an offensive minded HC then Shan should stay, but if we get a defensive minded HC I wouldnt trust Shan with running the offense as much as he would be.
Is there some sort of unwritten rule against mentioning Brian Billick’s name? He’s a Super Bowl winner with an career regular season record of 80-64. In his first year he led the Ravens to their first non losing season, the next year they won the Super Bowl. During the remaining 7 seasons as HC, the Ravens went to the playoffs 3 times and had a winning record 4 times all while not having much offensive talent. Is there a reason nobody has mentioned him yet??
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The concern is how miserable his offenses where, but I think that had alot to do with not having a qb.
Thats what I thought too
I guess an issue could be that he’s an offensive coach, but if he brings in a good DC i dont see a problem with Billick. He does have experience with taking a team to places they have never been before. He was fired because he didnt have any consistency after the success he saw in the first two seasons with Baltimore, but again, I think that was more of not having a QB.
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Well the reason I didn't mention him was
He’s an offensive mind. The same reason I didn’t mention Holmgren.
But when you say they went to the playoffs 3 times and had a winning record 4 times despite not having much offensive talent, you have to keep in mind that the poor offense was a function of poor drafting and talent acquisiton. Travis Taylor, Kyle Boller, Mark Clayton, Adam Terry, Demetrius Williams, and Elvis Grbac, among others, say hello. If that’s his specialty, and that is what he came up with? I can see why he’s not getting so much buzz.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
Here is something interesting from "Little Dickie Justice's" recent article....
Again, I think Kubiak should go if they don’t post a winning record…..HOWEVER:
Here’s a bulletin from the department of somewhat relevant information: Kubiak is 27-33 as head coach of the Texans. That happens to be the same record Jeff Fisher had after 60 games and is two games worse than Jimmy Johnson and Bill Belichick at the same point.
Interesting.
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by TexansForever on Dec 8, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
that is interesting
but JJ was 1-15 his first year, which skews it a bit for him.
One thing about Kubiak, I don’t see many seasons like Jax had last year. I don’t see the huge downside, he’s more of a play to the middle kinda coach.
Which, when put on a smaller (single game) scale, is one reason I think we’re unable to finish.
We let up when we get ahead.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
Thank you, if for only...
pasting something of even slight interest coming from Justice’s stuff. Because I haven’t read a thing he’s written in almost two years.
I’m so thankful that everything he writes on the site either has his picture, or is preceded by a “Justice:…”
Quite interesting, I’d say.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Ya, I was surprised to find Justice posting something even remotely relevant.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
In other news. In an effort to brighten up our days in December, here is an image from CHRISTMAS IN NASHVILLE!!
At least we aren’t Titan’s Fans.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 8, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Gregg Williams
I just read the wiki, and I like it.
After the season, see where we sit. He and Leslie get an interview if I’m in charge and we’re makin a move.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
He does have Houston Oiler ties...
…and his track record with defense is phenominal.
As a head coach, his record is abysmal. He feels like a Dick LeBeau to me.
Cue MDC
To take strong issue with this idea.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 4:13 AM CST up reply actions
I'll beat him to the punch
Gregg Williams was a terrible head coach already.
He brought us ideas such as “Rob Johnson, starting quarterback”.
If we hire him as the head coach, it’s an admission that we’re not going anywhere. if we’d hired him as the defensive coordinator THIS offseason? That would’ve been much more acceptable.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
maybe we can make him
Head Coach, Defense
thats a title, right?
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pity rec for you, good sir
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Dec 13, 2009 4:24 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Gregg Williams was a train wreck as a head coach. I’m actually thinking Kubiak should get another year. It really would have been nice to get an experienced coordinator last season though.
I'd rather hire the deer guy above
No Gregg Williams. Ever.
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
nah
he’s very offensive.
we need a defensive mind, remember?
(see what I did there?)
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
no
Plus, I don’t think he’d be interested in coaching against Peizton.
"Because you cant read. Get lost looser." - Mcnair2VY
Did you mean Dungy?
Racist.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
looser.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Racism is bad, mmkay?
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Well however this plays out, PLEASE let us finish with a better record than the Tits.
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