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Gary Kubiak: What To Do?

The 2009 NFL season was supposed to be the breakout year for the Houston Texans.  After two 8-8 seasons, they seemed primed for the franchise's first playoff season.  Now, sitting at 5-7, the playoffs are not a possibility and the focus has shifted to embattled head coach Gary Kubiak.

Gary Kubiak is the second head coach of the Houston Texans.  He was hired in 2006 to replace Dom Capers, who lead the expansion franchise to an 18-46 record over the first four years, including a 2-14 record in 2005.  The move to Kubiak made sense.  Kubiak is a Houston native who played college ball in the state of Texas before a 19 year playing and coaching career with the Denver Broncos, one of the best offensive teams of the last quarter century.

Something has gone awry.  The hometown man has not been bad, but he certainly hasn't been good either.  He currently has 27-33 record as a head coach and is on pace for a third consecutive .500 season (or maybe even worse).  Anyone who has watched this team knows that it is capable of much more; six of the seven losses were winnable in the closing quarter of the game, yet the Texans came up short.  Many speculate that this lack of "closing games" may cost Kubiak his job.

Many Texans fans feel this Kubiak's ouster is the right course of action.  The NFL is an instant gratification league, and fans demand results.  When the average Houston fan looks around at the turnaround success that Atlanta, Baltimore and Miami all experienced on the shoulders of first year head coaches last year, it's hard to feel loyalty to a coach that hasn't managed a playoff season in four years when those three coaches managed to do it in one. 

What has killed Kubiak are the other AFC South teams.  While the Kubiak-led Texans are a decent 20-16 against the rest of the league, they are an abysmal 7-17 against the Colts, Jaguars and Titans.  For a team to be successful, they must at least break even in their division, something that the Texans have done only once since Kubiak's hire.  Ironically, that .500 year was in 2006, which was the only season Kubiak managed less than 8-8 for the season.

As I implied earlier, Kubiak was hired for his offensive expertise.  As a former quarterback, coach of that same position, and offensive coordinator, he certainly had the right pedigree.  In 2006 he attempted to make that offense work with former first round pick David Carr.  After finishing 28th in total offense with Carr, Kubiak and his general manager Rick Smith, who Kubiak brought with him from Denver, traded two second round picks in consecutive years for Atlanta backup quarterback Matt Schaub.  Since that trade, the Texans finished 14th in 2007, 3rd in 2008 and are currently ranked 8th in total offense.

So on the offensive front the Texans have improved drastically under Kubiak.  Unfortunately, the defense has not fared as well.  Former defensive coordinator Richard Smith led an anemic defense that could not keep up with the offensive improvement.  Many Texans fans were encouraged by the firing of Richard Smith, and the subsequent hiring of Frank Bush, another Kubiak colleague from his days in Denver.  Bush, along with first-round pick and defensive rookie of the year candidate Brian Cushing, have given new life into the defense, which now ranks 16th.

Rankings are all well and good, but the one statistic that matters in the NFL is wins.  You would assume a team that ranks 8th in total offense and 16th in total defense is a playoff caliber team; the Texans, however, find themselves effectively eliminated from that race.  This leads us back to not closing games when they matter, something usually attributed to coaching.  As stated, this attribute may cost him his job at the end of the season.

I personally think that firing Kubiak after the 2009 campaign would be a huge mistake.  He is definitely not perfect, and this season has been the football equivalent of a root canal for me and all Texans fans.  Consider, though, what replacing Kubiak would entail.  It has been rumored that owner Bob McNair would be interested in a defensive-minded head coach.  So what would that mean?

Kubiak runs a unique offense that relies on a smaller, zone blocking offensive line.  Bill Cowher has been named as a potential suitor.  Cowher was known as a power running coach, something that would require new offensive lineman and new running backs.  The only other "established" head coach is Mike Shanahan, but you might as well forget about that possibility because even though his son is currently offensive coordinator, it is unlikely that he would step in to replace his friend and former protégé.  The other option is a first-time head coach who is currently a defensive coordinator.  While that move may or may not work to improve the defense, it is still unknown what would happen to the offense because without Kubiak, Kyle Shanahan would likely leave to coach with his father, who will undoubtedly be given a job somewhere. 

There's more though.  What happens to GM Rick Smith if Kubiak is canned?  While Kubiak's performance can be questioned, it is obvious that Smith has done a phenomenal job to undo the damage done by former GM Charlie Casserly.  There are only a handful of players left from the Casserly regime, which is not a coincidence.  This roster was so devoid of talent when Smith took over that a complete re-tooling was necessary.  Smith has traded for a QB who is arguably one of the top ten in the league, drafted key players including three Pro Bowlers, and brought in some (yes, just some) good free agent acquisitions, such as Antonio Smith.

I feel that it is a fact that Kubiak and Smith have improved this team significantly.  It is possible that Kubiak is incapable of being a great coach because of his handling of game situations necessary for winning games late.  We don't know that though; at this point it is just speculation.  I think it's worth the risk of another gut-wrenching, underperforming season to validate that suspicion.  Keep in mind that Kubiak still has a chance to lead the Texans to their first winning season ever this season, albeit a slim one.  Even if that doesn't happen, and he produces yet another mediocre season, I say give him one more chance.  We haven't seen enough failure yet to justify another complete do-over.

Oh, by the way, the resurgent Falcons, Dolphins and Ravens that had sharp turnarounds last year are all currently 6-6 and out of the playoffs as of right now.  I would forgo instant gratification in exchange for sustained success.  What about you?

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Help me out

Help me out with the following from your post: “It is possible though, that Kubiak is incapable of being a great coach because of game situations necessary for winning games late. We don’t know that though; at this point it is just speculation. I think it’s worth the risk of another gut wrenching, underperforming season to validate that suspicion.”

I think we DO know that Kubiak can’t handle game situations. How is that speculation? Did you see Sunday’s game?

And, I can’t believe you actually WANT to go through another season of what we’re going through now, JUST to validate the argument that Kubiak isn’t the guy for us (which we pretty much already know).

As I said, maybe I’m misreading your points. Clarify them for me, please. Thanks.

by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

hands Jake a shovel....

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Dec 8, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure Will

Unfortunately I only have my phone right now, so I’ll explain later. And I won’t need a shovel to do it.

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Dec 8, 2009 9:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Not trying to be a smartass

I don’t ask for clarification because I’m trying to be a jerk. I’m just wondering if I’m missing something in this entire discussion. If I am, that’s cool. Tell me where I’m wrong.

I’ve said before, I love Kubes. Always have. But something is wrong.

by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm guessing the point is...

What makes anyone point blank positive that he’ll never improve in ANY of his shortcomings?
Some of us have seen some improvements thusfar, so what’s to say that the improvements won’t continue? Is he incapable of any improvement in your eyes? Is everyone?

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

People see him having hit a plateau.

2007 8-8
2008 8-8
2009 8-8 IF we post a winning record here on out. More liekly that we do not end up 8-8 based on the way the team is currently playing and injuries.

So again, it is hard to argue that there is significant improvement here.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

So did fisher before he broke through.

2002 4-12
2003 5-11
2004 7-9
2005 2-14
2006 6-10
2007 8-8
2008 8-8
2009 5-7 Currently

If that’s not improvement, I dont know what is.

So from when Kubiak started which is in bold, it’s hard to argue that there hasn’t been significant improvement here.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

There has been improvement from the Capers era,

and that can’t be denied. But we shouldnt be comparing Kubiak only to Capers, we should be comparing Kubiak to Kubiak. Kubiak has not had improvement in the last three seasons. If Kubiak didnt have improvement over Capers, he probably would have been gone before this season, but Kubiak’s early “success” is maybe coming back to bite him now.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

So Kubiak's early succes shouldn't be his fault right?

It should be the fan’s fault for having such lofty expectations. Blinded by the consecutive 8-8 record, they forgot how hard it was for this team (with still plenty of holes to plug) to make that mark.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Plenty of holes to plug??

At the beginning of the season we did not have plenty of holes to plug. Thats why we were picked to go to the playoffs or at least have a winning record. Going back to opening day our “holes” were at CB, S, DT, and C. Every other position we thought we were set and good enough to make noise.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but injuries can be a bitch sometimes.

And those holes that were plugged resurfaced when our starters started getting injured.

Not only do we have holes to plug, we had a lack of depth in key positions also!

So in the beginning of the season you expected a team with no true secondary, a slightly above average Dline, and an inferior O line to make the playoffs? If you did, you shouldn’t have. I didn’t. I wasn’t even sure that we can finish with a winning record. Because let’s face it, as much talent as we have. We still lack talent in key positions.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats a lot of holes, but we thought we could work around them. Then both of our guards got injured.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I have yet to hear a better definition of what happened...

In regard to “holes” and this season.
Bravo.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm lost.

“At the beginning of the season we did not have plenty of holes to plug.”

“Going back to opening day our "holes" were at CB, S, DT, and C.”

So, which is it?

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

In reply to Jordann and beefy...

Jordann: we have lack of depth in key positions because Kubiak and Smith have not improved the roster as much as they should have in 4 years. No power running back help when that was a glaring weakness last year. Instead they tried to help the power running game by drafting 2 TE’s and a G/C (I forgot to add that as a hole in my last post, im sorry). They addressed DT by drafting one in the 5th round who had done shit this year. They addressed Safety by getting Pollard and I applaud that. They didnt do shit about C because they thought Myers was good, HA HA.

I do feel that Kubiak has done a great job improving this team from where he took over, but I dont think he can take us any further. He has proved he is bad with clock management, he plays safely when its not needed and plays aggressively when its not called for.

beefy: please name 1 team that doesnt have 3 or 4 holes. Maybe the Colts or Saints, but i bet their fans would argue otherwise. What I was trying to say about the “plenty of holes” at the beginning of the season is that the guys Kubiak has put trust in and thought would play well have not. Duane Brown, Chris Myers, Zac Diles, Slaton, Dunta, Fred Bennett and so on. People, we and he, thought would be better this season have underperformed and that can be blamed on the players themselves and it can be blame on the coaching for having a poor eye sometimes or not coaching well enough to keep the players at the quality of play they had shown.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll ask you what I've asked countless others...

who think we can fill every roster void in 1 or 2 offseasons:
How many first round picks and big name free agents do you think we get every year, keeping our horrible cap position in mind?

Do you not think that all the coaches WANT pro bowl talent at every position? Of course they do… just like you, but you cannot replace every so-so to shitty player in 1-2 offseasons.
I’ll go on record and say that, if they give him another year, and after 5 offseasons, there will STILL be a couple of glaring weaknesses. But I will guarantee that, much like every other year with Kubes, there’ll be about two less.

This is not as easy as you guys make it out to be.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

You kept saying 1-2 offseasons

but later you say give after 5 offseasons for Kubiak. Kubes has had 4 offseasons so far, not 1-2. Yes the first one was coming off a 2-14 year, but the last 3 have come off of 2 improving years and one stuck in mud year. The dolphins turned their roster around in 1 offseason with the help of Parcells, but they still did it.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

*facepalm

Because it’s so easy to improve a roster right? You know because there’s always available talent every year right? Not really. No power running back because there wasn’t any available. They drafted two TE’s because Bruener retired and they wanted to add a versatile player to our roster and a G/C because they were TRYING to add depth to our interior line. Though they didn’t draft a DT on the fifth round this year, they drafter one on the fifth round last year. Did it pan out? No. But did they try to address that need? They sure did. You said that they didn’t do shit about C but they did. That what Caldwell was for. They tried to address those wholes that you mentioned but it didn’t work out. You can’t blame them if the talent isn’t there. And most of the time on FA and on the draft, the talent just isn’t there.

I do feel that Kubiak is doing a good job with this team and it’s gonna take more than 4 offseasons of accumulating talent to plug the whole we have on our starting 11 on both sides of the ball and add depth. Will this coming off-season plug some wholes that we have and add depth in our roster? I can almost guarantee it, but will it solve ALL of our weaknesses? No.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

*facepalm
You can’t blame them if the talent isn’t there

Umm, yeah we can. They are the people bringing in the “talent.” If we cant blame the people who brought in the talent than who can we blame. Yeah we can blame the talent itself, but its very unlikely the talent got worse the day they stepped through the doors to Reliant.

Sorry for the mixup about the year we drafted Okam, I thought we would have seen him on the field if he has been on the team two years now and our DTs are such a big weakness. But I guess it just shows another poor player evaluation by Smithiak

As for this offseason, I dont see much coming out of it besides the draft because there is no precedent for it here. You say there isnt much talent available every offseason so why do you think this one will plug holes and add depth to change the team drastically. The draft could probably get us 2 starters and 3 viable backups (if its an amazing draft) and we will probably sign 3 or 4 middling free agents that may or may not help, its just the way this team has worked under Kubiak.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

If the talent isn’t available in the FA pool, you’re saying that it’s not their fault? If a 5th, 6th, 7th round pick don’t pan out as a reliable starter; you’re saying that it’s their fault? They are the people that brings the talent in; but if there’s no talent to bring in, why are they still the ones to blame?

Poor player evaluation by Smithiak really? The same people that Brought in Mario, Winston, DeMeco, David Anderson, Amobi, Jacoby, Duane Brown, Steve Slaton, Brian Cushing, Glover Quinn, Owen Daniels and James Casey? So you really expect for Smithiak to strike gold with every single draft pick they make no matter how late those draft picks were. And you expect for every single free agent signing to be a superstar. Wow. You’re one hard fan to please.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow you really threw out some great names there

The only proven people on that list are Mario, DeMeco, David Anderson, OD, Cush, and Winston.

Amobi, Jacoby, Duane, Slaton, Quin, and Casey can all be considered unproven. Slaton had one good year but that means squat when he sucked his second year. Duane Brown has not played up to his draft pick yet. Quin is still unproven but good so far. Jacoby has always been up and down with flashes of brilliance and flashes of horrow. Casey is unproven. Amobi has not lived up to his draft pick.

I never said there isnt talent on FA, you did. And I never said a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick should be a reliable starter, but they should play atleast see the field if they play one of the weakest positions on the team.

What youre saying about there not being talent to bring in is kind of like saying no team should ever improve. Part of being a coach is improving what you already have, and we have seen some major regressions under Kubiak.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

There's no getting through to you.

Obviously Richard Smith is Matt Millen bad and the texans are the lions and that the available talent on the FA pool will always fit our scheme.

Go ahead and blame kubiak for every single thing and call for his head.

I wont stop you anymore.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

No, Richard Smith is worse than Matt Millen

Did you see how horrible his defenses were the last 3 years before he was fired during the past offseason.

I know you meant Rick Smith, as he is the GM, not Richard Smith. Simple mistake, anyone who loved David Carr can mess that up.

One last question…are you one of the fans who has changed their mind on Kubiak in the last week??

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

You made a funny.

Because you know, you thought I made a mistake by putting Richard Smith instead of Rick Smith as if Rick Smith’s first full name isn’t really Richard.

Oh, another funny? I loved David Carr? Really? How did you arrive with that conclusion? Because my avatar is David Carr which automatically means I love David Carr right? ZOMG you’re as insightful as Pancakes and Richard Justice combined!

Wait, what’s that. Is that another funny? No. It’s just a weak assumption from the same fan that thinks that all draft picks that RICHARD Smith should be superstars or else he’s considered a poor talent evaluator and a failure as a GM.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh sorry, I didnt know you were on a formal name basis with Rick (Richard) Smith

You know, cause we did have someone named Richard Smith on our staff up until this season, its pretty easy to confuse.

Yes, the second part was actually a funny, thanks for noticing!!

It wasnt an assumption, thats why it was in question form. It was an honest question but I guess you were too concerned with showing me up to realize that.

Also, good job reading and inferring what you want to see. Please just go back through our convo and find where I said that every draft pick should be a “superstar.” Just for the record, I loved the Mario, Cush, DeMeco, and OD picks immediately. But I also loved the Slaton and Jacoby picks. I wasnt sold on any of the others right away, but didnt hate many either.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

by the way I agree with you about Kubiak doing a good job with this team

But I dont think he can take it any further which is why I want him gone. Its more about his poor clock management, inability to get the team to “Play 60,” lack of discipline on the team, poor play calling in key situations, and tendency to be conservative or aggressive at the wrong times than his talent evaluation and current roster.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess that's where we disagree.

I believe he can work on those mistakes. When the season evaluation comes in, he’ll work on keeping those mistakes to a minimum. This is his first HC gig. I feel like he should be given a pass for those because it takes a seasoned coach to play a complete, mistake free, 60 mins of football.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

This is his 4th year in his 1st HC gig

Does that mean he hasnt looked at the season evaluations before, or are new, worse problems popping up?

There are many nicknames for NFL. One is Not For Long, and four years is a long time in the NFL.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

good post

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Dec 9, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

valid points

Oline needs to be addressed in the draft/FA (makes me wonder if Gibbs will still be here next year).
The only reason Kubiak sticks with Brown is because of his pass blocking.
Texans may be positioning themselves now to draft Suh.

by b0wse on Dec 9, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Suh's going top 3. Texans aren't gonna get that...

…however, given the rush at the top of the draft for defensive linemen and quarterbacks, the Texans could luck into a good DB prospect.

by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh, ok

What makes you positive that he will? Four years of a pattern, and you can’t figure out what someone is about?

Bet you $100 bucks that Kubiak STLL plans to run Chris Brown on every play next year, and STLL thinks the option pass was a good call.

by footballfan412 on Dec 9, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Moats is a better runner than CB. We realize we don’t have a probowler back there but come on man, play you best person back there and in this case that would be Moats.
And one more thing, Kubes record of 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, and 5-7 does not show improvement – it shows consistant mediocrity. Hell a monkey at head coach would have been able to do better than capers and co after a 2-14 season. Kubes has shown no real progress since his first year. We still can’t compete in the division, still lack a winning season, and still lack any kind of chance at a WC spot. I’m just supposed to be happy that we’re not 2-14 but yet we are lucky to be 8-8 which is kind of like having a worthless season. You didn’t win, you didn’t lose and you don’t get a great spot in the draft.
I like Kubes and I don’t have a vendetta against him and I wanted to seem him succeed here as much as anyone but it just insn’t happening for him.

Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".

by Bobobigbro on Dec 9, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

he's on record

that it was a bad call.

He knows better than to say that was a good call.

Damn, I wasn’t gonna comment on that play anymore.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I say goodbye

After the first Colts loss I made up my mind, now after three more I am certain. I for one do not want to go through another gut wrenching underperforming season. At least now that they are out of it I can laugh at the boneheaded mistakes and crappy play calling instead of getting pissed.

by TexanFanInCali on Dec 8, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You wrote the team off after losing to an undefeated team in their home stadium?

by nolander on Dec 8, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

No I wrote the coach off

Isn’t this about Kubiac? The Colts were7-0 when they played he 5-3 Texans. Are you saying they couldn’t beat a undefeated team at home? Good teams beat other teams at home because they have to in order to get to the playoffs. Did you think the Texans had no chance to win because they were in Indy? Did you also think they should have lost to the 4-1 Bengals in Cinci? That was by far the best game they played all year, from start to finish. They collapsed against, SF, Indy twice, Tenn and the Jags. The only game they dominated in that span was the mighty Buffalo Bills. Reguardless of the record they need to win on the road as well as home if you are going to make it to the playoffs.

by TexanFanInCali on Dec 9, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

speaking of winning at home...

we arent this season. One of Kubiak’s strengths has become a weakness this season. Wins vs San Fran and Oakland. Losses to NYJ, IND, TEN, JAX (thats all 3 divisional home games for those of yall who didnt already know.)

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

So you gave up on Kubiak when he lost a game to the Colts in the Colts stadium. Thats retarded. If you said after the game after that or the game after thought I could see it. But giving up on a coach because .he lost on the road to an undefeated team is just fucking stupid.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey nolander if you don’t agree with my opinion that’s fine, I don’t agree with your take on it as well, so let’s keep the inmature name calling out of it. Four years is long enough for me, if you want him for another four you can have him. If they keep him and they go to the playoffs next year then great, but I think alot of this teams problems stem from a lack of disipline, which I blame on the head coach. And notice I said alot, not all.

by TexanFanInCali on Dec 13, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

DITTO

Lots of people are pointing out how we have all these holes and injuries… yet we’ve been so close in so many games (many because we didn’t play well in the 1st or 2nd half)… when you lose so many games like these, you can usually trace it to the coaching staff… where else?!

by SkycatF14 on Dec 9, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you mean where else? Players can’t fuck up in close situations? Like I don’t know, fumbling on the goal line or failing to punch it in from the one or missing kicks? There is plenty of blame for the players.

Why do you assume that those holes that we have aren’t a big part of why we have lost close games?

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said...

I think Kooby gets the last year of his contract.
The Texans are going through growing pains.
I just dont think this is the season to make the change, but I do think Mcnair needs to make it clear, that the team better show signs of much improvement early next season.
I probably feel this way, because I really want to see Kubiak and this Texans team succeed.

GO TEXANS!!!!

Our time will come...

by Texanmaniac on Dec 8, 2009 9:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Well said...

I think Kooby gets the last year of his contract.
The Texans are going through growing pains.
I just dont think this is the season to make the change, but I do think Mcnair needs to make it clear, that the team better show signs of much improvement early next season.
I probably feel this way, because I really want to see Kubiak and this Texans team succeed.

GO TEXANS!!!!

Our time will come...

by Texanmaniac on Dec 8, 2009 9:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Well said...

I think Kooby gets the last year of his contract.
The Texans are going through growing pains.
I just dont think this is the season to make the change, but I do think Mcnair needs to make it clear, that the team better show signs of much improvement early next season.
I probably feel this way, because I really want to see Kubiak and this Texans team succeed.

GO TEXANS!!!!

Our time will come...

by Texanmaniac on Dec 8, 2009 9:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I'm more interested in bush going

The D has been better, but then again Bush got Cushing, Smith and Pollard this year. I have not been impressed by any of his schemes or blitz packages.

by nolander on Dec 8, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

from what I remember

Bush picked Cushing, when he wasn’t the popular pick.

If we are indeed a 16th ranked defense as I saw somewhere, the next two weeks could push us near the top 10. I’m not a believer in stats as a basis for judging how well a unit is doing, it would just keep the stat-lovers quiet if this became a reality.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 8, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m sure everybody had a say in that not just Bush.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

probably

but do you want a quote from Kubiak saying Bush wanted Cushing, or do you need me to get some audio, and sworn statements?

I remember Kubiak saying Cushing was Bush’s guy. I’ll try to find it, if thats all you’ll need.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I believe you, but that doesn’t necessarily make him a great coordinator.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry nolander

reply about probably was to you

rest was for rivers.

Another thing I suck at.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

does this work

or do you need more?

quote

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

more

here

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the legwork.

Sorry it took so long to respond.

The “Cushing Was My Guy” article had a lot of “we” in it. I’m not discounting it, I just find that phrasing somewhat relevant.

That said, if that was ALL him, maybe he should be doing personnel evaluation. I still don’t like his schemes, and this doesn’t change that at all. But it’s good to see some hope there.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Dec 13, 2009 4:10 AM CST up reply actions  

you want to fire the coordinator of the best defense we’ve ever had after his first year?

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Dec 9, 2009 6:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you for asking that.

Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".

by Bobobigbro on Dec 9, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

-15 yds. Personal Foul

No one should ever be reminded of that.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I think frank Bush has done a good enough job with the defense to warrant another year.

This defense is playing well given the GAPING HOLES (no Jordann references please) in the line and secondary.

If we are ranked 16th overall with the lack of talent at key positions, then I say give the guy another year to draft and maybe bring in some people he likes.

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by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Blame it on Beefy.

Im down to give Bush another year.

But I want to see improvement on the pass rush. Meaning sacks and actually getting to the QB.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

That means we need someone on the line who can rush the inside.

We have all said it but it bears repeatinng.

The single greatest thing this defense can do for instant improvement is get a big tackle who can collapse the pocket from the inside.

Once you do that, a bad secondary starts to look good, because the qb has no time to throw good passes.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I simply think we can do better. I think you could argue our defense is only better this year because we have better players in GQ, Pollard, Cushing and Smith then we had last year. Has he done anything scheme wise that really bears out that he is doing a particularly good job? If we could get a Mike Nolan or a Gregg Williams would you not want that over Bush?

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Or maybe the scheme is good and we have had bad players?

It works both ways.

I think with a few more good players, the scheme works.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I would consider 5/7 of our front seven to be good players, and he can’t seem to do much with his blitzes. I will give him that we put pressure, but we dont’ seem to get many sacks.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I would go 4/7 are good....Cush, Ryans, WIlliams and Smith.

But our d-line gets manhandled by O-lines. That isn’t a scheme issue. That is just getting thrown around by guys bigger and stronger than you.

Occasionally we get a sack but they are almost always the product of speed, not a bullrush.

We need a big dominating presence inside to command a double team and open up the rush lanes.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I think McNair is doing the right thing

wait until the season is over.

If we spiral out of control the next two weeks, or even this weekend, the picture will become clear.

I really thought we had turned a corner when Cushing picked Manning off. Then Antonio brought us right back to reality. I just want Kubiak to take that 14-0 lead and make it 42-14. Get pissed and blow someone out. For once.

I think the keep Kubiak and fire Kubiak camps have decent arguments. I’m still on the wait until the season’s over bandwagon.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 8, 2009 9:34 PM CST reply actions  

Good point. But...

…we’ve seen this late December turn around before. In fact, we’ve seen it every single year.

I agree with what Jerome Soloman advised McNair to do after the Indy game: Make a decision RIGHT NOW, but don’t announce it, because the December games won’t mean anything either way.

He said that the decision on whether to fire Kubiak should be judged as if the season ended after the second Indy game.

I agree.

by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally if we win out and are 9-7 I think that does have to mean something, especially if the texans dominate games from start to finish.

by nolander on Dec 8, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

agree

since all games count the same.

But, I don’t see this happening. I really hope it does. But, for some reason, I’m skeptical.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 8, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I couldn't imagine what would make you skeptical

The Texans always perform in the clutch remember?

by nolander on Dec 8, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember the drives at GB and against Miami

those are fond memories.

None like that so far this year.

Most memories of this year’s game enders are at the opponents one yard line.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 8, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Yeah. Reliving the gut punchers is hard.

by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Your ManCard has been rescinded

Please get in line behind Tim Tebow…

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Dec 8, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Please. I break down after years of hardships and dissapointments. Tebow breaks down every time he loses a fucking game. Vince Young 2.0 anyone?

by nolander on Dec 8, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah

I dont think Tebow will have as much success in the NFL as VY

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 8, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

depends on if he is willing to try different positions. If the jags force it and take him in the first round it’ll be a disaster, but if he goes later in the draft and gets to a team that can make use of his talents I think he will be fine. I actually think he would be better in the wildcat then say Pat White because he would be able to run between the tackles.

by nolander on Dec 8, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Dunno...

Will he get to hand off to Chris Johnson behind the best run blocking line in the league? Because that’s been pretty key to Radio’s “success.”

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Best case scenario for Tebow

He gets drafted by the Vikings, learns under Favre for a year (provided he doesn’t retire), & starts handing off to Adrian Peterson.

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Best case scenario for Tebow

Get another year of eligibility at Florida

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Dec 9, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Best case scenario for Favre

He ACTUALLY retires this offseason.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Vikes?

I don’t know what he can learn from anyone? His passing ability leaves something to be desired when you are talking the NFL. He might play TE if he can bulk up a little so he can block some. Otherwise, I don’t see a position for him. He will be lucky not to drop to the 5th round, IMO..

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Dec 9, 2009 12:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well if he goes to the Jags he would have MJD, so he could certainly see some Radio style “success”.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Green Bay.

Yeah. I was at that game. I was freezing my ass off, but it was a blast.

by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly when has a Texans team dominated a game from start to finish against a team that wasn't garbage?

Sure, Seattle & St. Louis are garbage, but Miami & New England aren’t. If we dominate the Phins & Pats, maybe I could show leniency, but until I see them actually close out a game, I’m not letting off the gas pedal on the Fire Kubiak Bandwagon.

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Seattle's Got The Same Record As Houston

Thus, we are garbage if they are.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Dec 9, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

The Seattle game is by NO MEANS a gimme.

In fact, they are playing better than the Texans right now. I will not be surprised if we lose this game. Especially if Schaub can’t go or is limited.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Seattle CAN win if given the chance...

As a Houston Texans fan in the great PacNorWest, I’ve grown to love the Seahawks too… granted they are second place in my heart to Houston. I was a very lonely Texans fan back in 2005 when Houston went to Seattle and got throtled, yet I wore my texans gear proudly and happily drove through the parking lot amongst all the taunting. Still, Seahawks fans are classy, and I’ve rooted for them against ANY other team. But this weekend… man… with so many feeling Seattle is a gimme, and if it can accelerate Kubiak’s firing, and being able to watch the game and listen to a radio broadcast with Warren Moon doing the commentary… I’ve never come closer to switching sides… I’ll probably still be rooting for the Texans, but having Kubiak take credit for any kind of win will be hard to swallow. I like the guy, but I’ve just completely lost confindence in his head-coaching abilities…

by SkycatF14 on Dec 9, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

for being a dedicated fan.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Waitaminute

He’s talking about switching sides and intentionally rooting for his team to lose to help Kubiak get fired, and he’s getting rec for being a dedicated fan?

I do not get it. I’ve come to terms with the idea that Kubiak should go, but I will never ever root for the team to lose. Not one single game. Even if that saves Kubes’s job.

I just don’t get it.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 10, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I read the first three sentences

and said to myself that this guy has been taking so much flak for being a texans fan over there.

I dont know if this is the first time that anybody has done this before but.

Unrec’d!

That was a major fail on my part.

by Jordann on Dec 10, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

He clearly stated
I’ve never come closer to switching sides

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 10, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

And I clearly stated that

when I rec’d it, I only read the first three sentences.

It’s you again.

I love you.

by Jordann on Dec 11, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the attention, but I wasnt replying to you

And on second evaluation, I didnt read well earlier. I missed the “er” at the end of close in the quote I took. My bad, I too shall unrec.

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 11, 2009 4:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Well,

tGC’s comment was directed towards me.

And believe it or not.

I do.

I do love you.

Come here you!

by Jordann on Dec 11, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I love you both

Jordann for his awesome, beautiful hair and TH for having the word ‘Hoosier’ in his name.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 11, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

for being a dedicated fan, and for not having confidence in Kubiak anymore even from the distance you are from H-Town

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Because it’s the thing to do apparently.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I have felt that Seattle actually has a fair amount of talent the last couple years but have been ravaged by injury. How many games has Seneca Wallace started for them the last couple years?

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I think McNair...

..should honor the last year of Kubiaks contract and re-examine things at the end of next season. Kubiak didn’t miss field goals Kris Brown did. Kubiak didn’t fumble at the goal line in wee 2, the other Chris Brown did. Give Kubiak 1 more season, but do it with the Chris/Kris Browns. Release those two….

"...and if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know". SL

by Southern Lion on Dec 8, 2009 10:01 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly...

Now that’s sense. You can blame the coach for some aspects of the game but a making field goals is not one of them. Given, they were for overtime and we could have still lost but you can’t count those against Kubiak. The only reason were having this conversation is because he has been instrumental in making this team a good football team that we the fans can see in the playoffs. Sometimes you’re just unlucky and those times should not be counted against a coach that has done an amazing job turning this team around. He deserves one more year.

by LostinMaze on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

excuses, excuses...

It has been Kubiak and his staff which have placed the Texans in all those scenarios. A BETTER coach would have the team in a position where those kind of plays would not have LOST the game; not to mention so MANY games in a row!!

by SkycatF14 on Dec 9, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You say you dont want Cowher because of the run game

but the current run game is the weakest part of the team. As you said, Kubiak uses a zone blocking scheme with smaller lineman and “1 cut and go” RBs. BUT THE ZONE BLOCKING SCHEME IS NOT WORKING. Part of the problem with this I feel is that because everyone in the NFL is getting bigger and faster, its getting harder to run a zone blocking scheme with small lineman. The other knock against Cowher has been his 3-4 defensive scheme, but that argument is getting weaker and weaker every week due to the Packers switch to the 3-4, led by none other than Dom Capers.

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 8, 2009 10:06 PM CST reply actions  

You watch Monday Night?

They were raving on and on about how Capers came in and totally switched the defense. They were saying how making such a switch can be difficult, but not impossible.

Made my ears perk up.

by footballfan412 on Dec 8, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I watch every Monday Night

But I was onto the Packers before last night. They are also doing it without Aaron Kampman and Al Harris, arguably their two best defensive players.

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 8, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

*cough* charles woodson *cough*

Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young

by Rockets 4 Life on Dec 8, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

note how I said arguably...

some random avid Harris fan could argue that he’s better than Woodson

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

THANK YOU

They already had a phenomenal secondary to allow them to focus on getting guys like Raji and Mathews.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

A "phenomenal" secondary

that finished 12th in pass yards allowed/game and 21st in pass TDs allowed last season. Comparatively, the Texans this season are 14th in pass yards/game allowed, and 18th in pass TDs allowed.

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Their defensive line was complete shit. When the QB has all day to throw? I mean come on just look at the players in the secondary and tell me they don’t have a good one.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Its hard to say our DL is better than theirs was

QBs we face get all day to throw as well. They do have a good secondary, but I think ours is being underrated. Quin has played very well. Pollard has been a stud. Wilson was good before he got injured. Theirs is better i will admit, but our secondary has had to hold things down with little pressure on the QB just like theirs last year.

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

also, this season the Pack have given up 6 more pass TDs than us

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but we were talking about why they were able to switch to a 3-4/

Because they already had a secondary established.

On the other hand, we don’t. And switching to 3-4 would negate the talent of our playmakers.

And those stats that you just threw out about our secondary, it don’t really mean shit when you actually watch OUR secondary play. Does it feel like our secondary is really 14th in Pass yds per game and 18th in passing tds allowed?

Not even close.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

The eye test doesn’t work. Somehow, the pass defense is 14th. You can’t disregard the stat just because it looks different on the field.

by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Very true and exactly what I think

IMO the reason everyone thinks our secondary is so “horrible” is because of our lack of INTs and everyone’s hatred of Dunta. Teams that have allowed more passing TDs than us: Vikings, Chargers, Cowboys, Eagles, Patriots, Packers, Giants. Teams that allow more pass yds/game than us: Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Cowboys, Vikings, Saints. Im pretty sure that most of us would think that all those teams have better secondaries than us, but the stats dont show that and with the lack of sacks we get it only makes it look more impressive.

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

We're actually on par with the Patriots.

The Texans 30th in sacks, 14th in pass defense.

The Patriots are tied for 28th in sacks (1 more than Houston) and 13th in pass defense.

The Chiefs are 31st in sacks and 28th in pass defense.

Our pass defense is underrated by our fan base. The defensive line really should get more heat. 3rd fewest sacks, 3rd highest rushing yards per carry.

by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I totally agree about the pass defense being underrated

see my post about 6 up from this one.

I said the Pats have given up more pass TDs than us, but that most people on this site probably feel they are a better pass defense.

What brought up the Chiefs?

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I brought up the two teams bracketing the Texans in sacks.

To demonstrate why the passing defense deserves some more credit despite the lack of pressure.

The fact that we’re more towards the Patriots (a playoff team and known for their defense) and nowhere near the Chiefs is something that should be recognized.

The defensive line doesn’t make a lot of plays in the backfield (rush or pass). They’re not doing their jobs.

by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

mmkay that makes sense, good job

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Teams our pass defense is better than

Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Cowboys, Vikings, Saints, Jaguars, Dolphins, Falcons, Cardinals….10 playoff teams.

The Texans sit 10th fewest in passes over 20+ yards, 13th fewest yards per pass, and 14th in TD passes allowed, 12th fewest 1st downs against (via the pass).

Where the pass defense is bad? 20th in completion percentage against and 17th in QB rating against.

by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Football honestly comes down to 2 stats.

Red zone and turnovers.

We have a -1 ratio in turnovers. The defense is 9th in takeaways, the offense is the 11th worse turnover unit. We shoot ourselves in the foot offensively (we know that because we fumble way too frequently, the interceptions aren’t too abnormally high since we pass 60% of the time).

Our turnovers in the red zone are well documented. Our horrible red zone playcalling is also well documented. The fact that we give up the 5th most rushing TDs also tells me teams can get it into the end zone when they get close (where the rushing game really matters).

Yes, we could use a #1 corner or a ball-hawking safety….but the real tell is we need a space eater and some better tackling.

by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Football comes down to 1 stat.

“W”

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by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

And good teams

Have good turnover ratios and succeed in the red zone both offensively and defensively.

by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you just compare our D

to the Patriots D? Because the last time I watched the patriots, their D this year sucks too. The stats that you love throwing out left and right don’t mean jack when some of our losses can be attributed to the secondary giving up huge plays to opposing offenses. When our defense gains momentum going on a 3 and 17 after a sack and lose it after Dunta get’s burned for a long completion. Or a PI penalty. Or a missed tackle. You can throw out all the stats you want but from what I see, our secondary ain’t worth shit besides pollard.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

so take away the Pats

and look at the Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Saints, Vikings and say they all suck too

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly what Hoosier says. Better teams have a worse pass defense.

I’ll throw this in too since you wanna call the Patriots crap: Everyone here expects that the all mighty Patriots will beat us in Reliant. Why? That team’s is within the same league as us.

Defensively, we give up 12 more yards a game, 1.2 more first downs, have the same 3rd down conversion rate, give up 2 more points per game.

Offensively, the Patriots edge us by 4 points, 50 yards, 3 1st downs.

Yet, the all mighty Patriots will crush us. Those 7-5 Patriots will beat our 5-7 Texans cause we’re not in the same league as them.

Furthermore, our DL doesn’t get many sacks. Furthermore, the DBs don’t get burned for many long passes. It was one of those meaningless stats that I love throwing out.

I’m not claiming our defensive backs are great, but maybe we, as a fan basem are viewing them too negatively.

by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I think this fan base is scared of the Pats

because of Brady and Belichick. In other words, their two biggest advantages over us. But maybe Belichick can somehow make more bad 4th down calls than Kubiak will.

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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps better teams have a worse pass defense...

because they are winning most of the time and their opponents are forced to throw. It would be an interesting stat to see the breakdown of number of passing plays vs running plays against for those other teams.

by BigTexBD on Dec 9, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Per game averages (numbers are rounded up/down)

Indianapolis (19th in passing; 18th in rushing; 17th overall): 24/38 on passing and 17 rushes.

Minnesota (21st in passing; 3rd in rushing; 8th overall): 22/34 and 21.

New Orleans (22nd in passing; 20th in rushing; 18th overall): 21/38 and 21.

Arizona (30th in passing; 12th in rushing; 24th overall): 22/39 and 24

Houston(14th in passing; 22nd in rushing; 16th overall): 20/33 and 26.

After writing those out, I feel mighty frustrated with this team cause they stack up with these playoff teams.

by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Good work DC

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Selective stats

That show passing rankings with pass attempts per game to help clarify the pass ratings some. It also shows rushing ratings with rush attempts per game. All stat selections are selective unless you show every single stat in case you didnt know the definition of selective.

Maybe try providing some stats yourself that you dont think are selective next time cause thats how most people make their point.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 10, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Great.

Now I have to clarify whether im being sarcastic or not.

Damn the interwebz for having people that can’t sense sarcasm!

by Jordann on Dec 11, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

No I could tell you were being sarcastic

Thats why I was defending the stats DC provided. If I thought you were agreeing with me I would have declared it a BRB holiday.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Dec 11, 2009 4:16 AM CST up reply actions  

you guys should just fuck already.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Dec 11, 2009 6:47 AM CST up reply actions  

We won't always agree on something.

Heck, we don’t agree on almost everything. I guess that’s something we can agree on right?

If you knew I was being sarcastic, why would you find the need to defend the stats?

by Jordann on Dec 11, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

What would be awesome now

is a twenty line long rant about how vy sucks and kubiak has to go and how we never should have gotten rid of kailee wong and when i type either type in all caps or with no caps at all and i never use punctuation because i love to right long run on sentences sometimes i confuse words like you’re and your and their and theyre and mario williams is still not a good choice because vince young would have created more buzz did i mention that all vince young does is win he wins more than patrick willis but with ten percent less holiness sometimes i should eat more bran or leafy green vegetables because i’m not very regular and stuff lol if u disagree with me then ur a jopke and a n00b and u sux and stuff.

Proudly supporting the Qatar National Falconry Team since December 6, 2009.

by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 11, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks for giving me a headache.

I can’t believe I actually took the time to read that.

If I didn’t know you any better, I would’ve stopped after punctuation fail.

by Jordann on Dec 11, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Dec 11, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm, interesting thought.

Maybe we should hire Dom Capers as our head coach! What could go wrong?

by Nashmeister on Dec 9, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Woah, slow your roll there

Maybe we could make him D Coordinator, then that could work. Hell, Dave Campo is back on the Cowboys coaching staff, but he’s not a head coach, & not likely will be again.

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

i want kubiak gone.

lets bring in either the philly or minnesota d coordinator.

Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young

by Rockets 4 Life on Dec 8, 2009 11:03 PM CST reply actions  

There is something I don’t get about people saying that Kubiak can’t win close games. Yes, we have lost practically every close game we have played this year, but I think everyone is forgetting that we have actually been very good at winning close games the last two years. As someone mentioned above, the GB and MIA games were ridiculously close, and I would throw in Tennessee as well.

by SATexan on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 AM CST reply actions  

Miami this year will be a test.

We’ve won the last three games against them by a combined six points. We’re certainly good at closing against them. Unfortunately, we’re not always going to get to play them. We need to get good at winning close games in the fucking division, already.

by Nashmeister on Dec 9, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Enough with the Miami’s and the San Franciscos already.

Let’s close out games with the Indy’s and Nashvilles and Jacksonvilles.

by footballfan412 on Dec 9, 2009 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

CLOSE GAMES vs. SOLID WINS

Close games can come down to one or two plays; a penalty here and there; a turnover… I’d rather have a coach who gets SOLID WINS, plays the game TO WIN, not simply to have it be close, one way or another. You play SOLID, those things don’t matter. And it probably turns out when the game does get close you WIN rather than LOSE!!! Why can’t we have one of THOSE kind of coaches?!

by SkycatF14 on Dec 9, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

please name a coach who goes out on the field to kick the field goal, run across the goal line from a yard out without dropping the ball, or plays linemen and gets the push when you need it. The difference between winning and losing these close games, is the players on the field.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2009 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

which is true even if we change coaches

but I’m guessing the blame would be shifted to the FNG if that were the case.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 10, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay

Oh by the way, the resurgent Falcons, Dolphins and Ravens that had sharp turnarounds last year are all currently 6-6 and out of the playoffs as of right now. I would forgo instant gratification in exchange for sustained success. What about you?

Well first of all, I don’t know why you’re putting the Ravens in with those other teams, they’ve been a perennial contender through most of the 2000’s, mostly thanks to Ozzie Newsome.

As for the other two teams, hell yes I’d rather be them. At least they got to be in the playoffs. These aren’t your father’s playoffs where the underdogs are hopeless either, as the Colts, Steelers, and Cardinals have taught us the last few years. All it takes is getting there these days to have a chance.

Secondly, while both Atlanta and Miami caught some breaks to get to the playoffs, they also seem to have far more sustainable systems. Having Parcells in your FO is basically a mortal lock for being a contender. The Falcons offense is on par with ours, but younger at most key spots. The Falcons defense is much better than ours right now.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Dec 9, 2009 4:47 AM CST reply actions  

ATL

Also gets to play in the staunch NFC South.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

do I sense some sarcasm here?

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Dec 9, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

staunch sarcasm.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Kubiak has 1 year left on his contract, its not like he has 3 left. Nearly the entire staff was hand picked by him, if you bring in a new HC, you will have to dismantle everything and start over. Play out his final year and see if he does anything with it, if he doesnt, then start the rebuilding.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Dec 9, 2009 6:40 AM CST reply actions  

This

I’m pretty down on Kubiak right now, but I think it would be an even bigger mistake to bail now. The team under Kubiak has done a good job of bringing in more talent, so I don’t see them causing any harm, and I think there is a real chance that with some more talent this team could really do something next year.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I still say wait until the season is over to judge

but during the last couple days, I’m starting to lean towards keeping Kubiak.

I think the Monday morning emotions cause too much jumping off a cliff. If we still bring out pitchforks after the New England game, then it may be time to change.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

the waiting game

I honestly think that at the end of the season, we will be 8-8 or worse. At that point, will that be enough?! I don’t think it is! That’s why I want to see a change NOW. That would give the team all the remaining games to improve itself, rather than get mired in lame duck games… or even WORSE, an entire lame duck season, if Kubiak gets to stick around for the remainder of his contract. I just simply don’t see him living up to any of the expectations set before this season, even next year.

by SkycatF14 on Dec 9, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Um… lame duck can’t apply until he is fired.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

immediately after the game

I agreed with this sentiment.

But McNair isn’t richer than me because he makes emotional decisions.

The team could quit on the interim coach because they wanted Kubiak to stay, for example. I don’t see the benefit of making the transition now, so I don’t see the need to even make the decision now.

I disagree with Solomon’s blog post about this, where he said to make the decision now.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

You misread Solomon

He said that McNair should make the decision now, but not announce it until the end of the season. His point was that Kubak’s teams always finish strong, and that shoudn’t influence any decision making on his job status.

I agree.

by footballfan412 on Dec 10, 2009 1:25 AM CST up reply actions  

no I read him correctly

I don’t think he should make the decision now. Announcement aside.

I think he should wait until the season is over, not 3/4 over.

The thing is, he’ll still have the 1-5 division record at the end of the season if you want him gone.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 10, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

kubiak

Fire this idiot. He has completely mishandled the running back situation. He benches clearly his best running back for the last third of the season, for fumbling, and now it comes to light that Slaton has shoulder / nerve damage. He first says Moats is his back, after a career day against a very bad run defensive team (Bills), then he says he likes Brown ( for his pass blocking??) I know Slaton is now on IR but no one knew about serious nerve damage a month ago. I say bite the bullet and fire this bum now!

by firekubiak on Dec 9, 2009 12:27 PM CST reply actions  

wat?

Your post makes no sense. You rag on Kubiak for benching Slaton, yet then talk about how Slaton is injured. If Kubiak knows Slaton is injured, shouldn’t he use him less?

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

and liking a RB's pass blocking ability

is a smart move, imo.

We ain’t running it, so we need to keep Schaub upright while we pass every down.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

wat?

He was not injured a month ago!

by firekubiak on Dec 9, 2009 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

How do you know? I imagine the first Kubiak had heard of it was before the Tits game when he went more with Brown. Should he have let Slaton fumble the season away? I have no clue what you are trying to argue.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

wat?

You make no sense. Apparently you can’t read.

by firekubiak on Dec 9, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions  

Jordann

What kind of photo is that? What a joke.

by firekubiak on Dec 9, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Firekubiak = One of the "Keep Kubiak" crowd

We have a double agent in our midst.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I strongly suspect that firekubiak, ihatebeingahoustonsportsfan(or w/e), and texan4life are actually the same person. Not sure why. That and those two accounts who used nothing but all caps.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

and have ip addresses

from Nashvegas

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I really want to know now.

by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

They are all Beefy....duh.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Eff that!

I have to argue enough for THIS handle. There’s no fuggin way I could handle another one, with possibly a slight tweak in thinking, and a better ass.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Weakest argument ever.

Obviously the my avatar is a damn joke. The need to point it out and attempt to make fun of me doesn’t help you gain any kind of sense.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

making fun.

 You don’t need any help, you’re doing fine by yourself.

by firekubiak on Dec 9, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Boing.

Flip.

I make fun of myself. That’s the whole point of the avatar.

But on the other hand, you’re being made fun of because you make no sense. At all.

At least you learned how to use the reply button.
High five?

Maybe not.

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Jordann looks hot

So lay off him!

Proudly supporting the Qatar National Falconry Team since December 6, 2009.

by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 9, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You like my mittens tGC?

Or is it the scent of my hairspray?

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

It's your gorgeous locks.

Proudly supporting the Qatar National Falconry Team since December 6, 2009.

by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 10, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

In other news....

DAMN YOU, GIANT BOX OF OFFICE CANDY!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Dec 9, 2009 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

non-div record

I’m pretty sure he’s currently 20-14 outside the div…doesn’t sound a whole lot different than 20-16 but is only one game shy of a .600 record which translates to nearly 10 wins a season. His division record is killing him and this team’s chances but it’s arguably the toughest division over the last 4 years too. Furthermore if you throw out Kubiak’s first year and his 3-5 non-div record, he’s 17-9 with a decent shot to be 20-10 by year-end!…that’s very un-Texan-like….and frankly pretty depressing once you realize that if we were in say the NFC-W, we’d probably be headed to our 3rd or 4th consecutive playoff appearance.

by TexanKevin on Dec 10, 2009 6:22 AM CST reply actions  

but we're not in the NFC-W

and if we turn all those L’s into W’s we’ve got home field locked up!

The bottom line is, we’ve drafted players specifically to win games in our division. Those 6 games in 2010 will determine Kubiak’s status if he’s our coach.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Dec 10, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Im pro-Kubiak mostly, but I have to agree that the performance within the division is a MAJOR issue.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Gary Kubiak: What To Do?

Hes done!and why is that so hard to beleve????duh

by ALPH on Dec 17, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions  

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