Checking The Pulse: Should Gary Kubiak Be Back In 2010?
by Tim on Dec 9, 2009 2:28 PM CST
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Prior to the last flabbergasting loss, we asked how many games your Houston Texans had to win down the home stretch for Gary Kubiak to return next season. Judging from many of the comments that have been flying around BRB since last Sunday, it appears that several fans have made up their minds on the issue, regardless of what happens over the last month of the season.
Thus, we present a newer, seemingly simpler poll, with the possibility that said poll may become a weekly feature for the remainder of the season. Vote below, please. And if you believe Kubes should be handed his walking papers, kindly tell us your realistic replacement for Kubiak as head coach of the Texans in 2010 in the Comments below.
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I voted no
and my replacement would be Cowher.
What I really want to know is why have so many people changed their minds on Kubiak in the last week given the loss and the bad (read: horrible) HB Toss call. In the previous poll, the majority of people said 3, 4, 5 or 6 wins to keep him and now the majority is saying “Yes.” Whats up with that?
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Cowher.
And I don’t understand why people seem to think this is not realistic…perhaps the years with Uncle Drayton has made us too quick to assume that a Houston sports franchise owner really has to struggle to put food on the table.
FACT: Only 5 NFL franchises are more valuable than the Texans
FACT: Only 241 Americans have more money than Bob McNair
Mr. McNair, your franchise needs a culture transplant. It’s time to get out your checkbook and place a call to Mr. Cowher.
Yes...as a matter of fact, that IS a pic of Steve McNair & Sahel Kazemi parasailing. Suck it, Titans fans.
by -Jay on Dec 9, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since you mentioned him...
Fuck Drayton.
by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since you mentioned Drayton...
Fuck Baseball.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since you mentioned Baseball
Fuck the Astros
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason why im here all the time is because
I dont ever wanna be reminded of the Astro’s existence.
Thanks guys.
by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think its realistic if you want to win next year.
by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Due to upheaval in coaching staff / scheme?
fair point…but I can’t continue to watch this garbage. At this point, I’d just prefer different garbage.
Yes...as a matter of fact, that IS a pic of Steve McNair & Sahel Kazemi parasailing. Suck it, Titans fans.
by -Jay on Dec 9, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly scheme. If he came in and didn’t try to coach this team the way he has been successfully it would be pointless.
by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fear of the unknown
I was wondering the same thing. Suddenly, the tide has shifted and Kubiak is a genius coach again. I’ve said it before, and it bears repeating: we’re so terrified of what’s out there that we don’t want to make a move. People don’t think that the team could actually improve under a new coach. They just see a new coach as a big risk, and are willing to accept mediocrity.
by footballfan412 on Dec 9, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I thought it was too
and personally I think thats the worst excuse and carries the mentality of losers.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I think its a good reason to wait until the end of the year
I think the shifting tide you’re talking about is the emotions of the tough loss on Sunday are not as high as they were a couple days ago.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're assuming everyone else sees Kubiak in the same light as you
I see Kubiak as an above average coach scheme wise and average game manager. The reason I don’t want to see Kubiak go is 1) scheme wise what he’s doing is working, it’s poor plays from his players, injuries, and a few bad calls that’s keeping the team from greatness not his offensive or even defensive schemes, 2) It’s very unlikely for a new system to be more effective offensively than what Kubiak already has in place, 3) the Texans have the youngest team in the league and also one of the weakest depth wise, so the injury troubles mentioned stick out even more so it’s only logical to assume that with time in the one scheme that’s already proven to work they’ll progress faster than having to relearn everything from square one.
So basically it’s true that alot of people don’t think we’d improve under most new coaches, however it’s not because we think all other head coaches are just terrible, we actually believe that Kubiak is a pretty good coach himself and would hate to see what he’s brought to the franchise go by the wayside. In just a few years we’ve gone from having one of the worst offenses in the league to one of the best, and the defense has shown signs of improvement over the course of this year. With a few key additions and a little luck on the injury front, this team really could be a playoff contender with the coaching staff and scheme that’s already in place.
by Bryan72076 on Dec 9, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And you too are assuming that everyone sees Kubes in the same light as you
Ive heard from plenty of people here that want to keep Kubiak because they think he needs another year to build his team and that he is still developing as a coach. I dont think many people here feel that Kubiak is a “pretty good coach” because most pretty good coaches win.
Regarding his schemes, his bread and butter and a huge reason he was hired was the zone blocking scheme, which only saw success last year and has failed miserably this season.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not assuming everyone feels the way I do
But with the ammount of support he’s gotten, I think it’s more likely that people approve of what he’s brought to the team and can see potential for progress in the future rather than just being afraid of the unknown. I was simply pointing out that just because you may think he’s a below average coach and shouldn’t be a head coach, doesn’t mean that everyone agrees with that assessment and all opinions are just that, opinions.
by Bryan72076 on Dec 10, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm not.
“we actually believe that Kubiak is a pretty good coach himself and would hate to see what he’s brought to the franchise go by the wayside”
How do you know that what Kubiak has built would be tossed by the wayside? Kubiak built a STRONG foundation. No coach is going to come in here and tear it apart. What a lot of people are saying is that we want to IMPROVE on what Kubiak has built, and we need a strong leader to do it.
I know it seems “unfair” that Kubiak will never see the fruit of the seeds he planted here, but that’s too bad. Dungy had to deal with it with Tampa, but he got over it.
Yes, we will eventually have the debate “Coach X won the Texans the Super Bowl with Kubiak’s players.”
And that debate will go on for years and year, like the Vince Young-2006 draft debate.
by footballfan412 on Dec 10, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dungy also builts a strong foundation.
Remember what happened to the Bucs after the superbowl season?
There’s just really no way of us knowing. We can just hope that if we do bring in a new coach, he keeps the foundation that we have so we don’t have to go through the rebuilding process again.
And it’s not “unfair” that Kubiak won’t see the fruits of the seeds that he planted here. It IS unfair. Because of franchises that succeed the same year new coaches are brought in, coaches that build a franchise from scratch(which TAKES TIME) are crucified for not having immediate success.
by Jordann on Dec 10, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because unless the coach comes from this system or what very like it
They’re going to change it to what they’re comfortable with running. By saying you want a different coach but one that would keep the current system, you’ve narrowed your list of possible coaches greatly, and most of them are either current Houston assistants or other coaches with roots in Shannahan’s version of the west coast offense. It’s unlike anything else in the league, and unless a coach has experience with it, he’s not going to be able to just “improve on it” while keeping it intact.
by Bryan72076 on Dec 10, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bryan.
Im just telling you now. We’ve had lengthy discussions before and we don’t always agree with each other but I agree with you about this. There’s no point in explaining to these guys because their mind is set on firing Kubiak because he’s the devil that brought down the Texans franchise. And these are the same guys that blames Smithiak for not having any talent on the roster because they don’t understand that sometimes the talent that would fit in our just isn’t there.
by Jordann on Dec 10, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my name is beefy...
and I approve this response.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 10, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you should run this same poll
after each of the last four games, to see if there’s a trend.
I voted undecided, since I’m waiting until 2009 is in the books.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I should've probably put undecided too.
In hindsight, there shouldn’t really be a blanket “yes” response, because if Kubes loses the players, then he’s got to go. I’ve never sidestepped that one for any coach. If you lose the team, and they don’t believe in what you’re preaching, there’s no reason to attempt to move forward.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't see that happening
that’s what I liked most about last season’s 8-8. We were a Matt Schaub draw (huh?) away from 0-5, and we finished 8-8. He never lets them quit.
It goes back to the idea that we’re better when we’re behind.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beefy is also better from behind.
Wait, wha?!
by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yours or mine?
Oh, who am I kidding? I fuggin ROCK!!
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RE: I fuggin ROCK!!
Im sure BFD has something else to say about that.
by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hims too sick to talk...
Hims widdle tum tum huwts.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 10, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I completely agree.
I just had to throw it out there, for all those who might think I’m just a blind Kubiak fanboy.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 9, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're not blind
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ditka! (said with a chicago accent)
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
by Bobobigbro on Dec 9, 2009 3:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dagnabit! (Texas accent)
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
by Bobobigbro on Dec 9, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WHY??
Cause you dont believe we can switch to the 3-4?? Or is it some other David Carr like reason
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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure its the latter
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about
We don’t have the personnel for a 3-4, we don’t have the personnel for a power running game, and my liver doesn’t have the strength for two or three more years of rebuilding.
by cubic on Dec 9, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but you liver has the strength for 2-3 more years or .500 football?
C’Mon Man! The Packers have improved their defense drastically with a switch to the 3-4 under none other than Mr. Dom Capers and they didnt have the personnel for it either, they went and got the personnel, which it seems like everyone here is scared to do. We dont have the personnel for any running game right now. The zone blocking scheme being taught by the mastermind Alex Gibbs and the OC who had success running it with Elway QBing and good offensive line is simply not working here in Houston.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Packers also have one of the best secondaries in the NFL, which helps the Packers be more aggressive and make big plays. That would not work in Houston. DeMeco’s sideline to sideline speed and awareness, which make him such a great 4-3 MLB, would largely be wasted in a 3-4. I doubt Mario would thrive either as an OLB or a DE in a 3-4, I don’t know what the fuck you would do with Amobe, and we still don’t have a nose tackle worth a damn.
So yeah, show me an aggressive, attacking 3-4 Texans defense and I’ll show you a defense Payton Manning will put up 40 points on. The Green Bay analogy is just shit because the Packers are the Packers with their personnel, and the Texans are the Texans with our personnel.
And hey, KC made the switch to the 3-4 this season and they are still terribad. Why? Because they don’t have enough good players to make it work, kind of like the Texans.
by cubic on Dec 9, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wrote more in-depthly about this in another post (either the Kubiak one or the expectations one)
But the Packers’ pass defense last season and our pass defense this year are very similar numbers wise. They also did not have many sacks like us this year. Our secondary is underrated by this fan base because everyone hates Dunta and the lack of INTs, but the stats show they are playing well for having no help up front.
Is Mario thriving in the 4-3? Is Amobi doing anything in the 4-3? I agree about DeMeco, but I still think he would do well in a 3-4 because he is a good football player, and it shouldnt matter what system a good football player plays in.
Please dont ever compare the Texans defense to the Chiefs. The Texans have some holes, but we have playmakers, unlike the Chiefs.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mario has been thriving in the 4-3. He is going to end up with 7 sacks while playing with one arm this year, and is still a beast in run support.
As I said before their line was complete shit last year, which is probably why their secondary had trouble. Our D-Line hasn’t been great but they do get pressure on the QB, whether they get the sacks or not.
by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you watch the Packers on a game by game basis last year
like you do the Texans. Otherwise can you please provide some data that proves we get more pressure on the QB than they did
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
by the way you can find a long thread looking at our pass D
compared to the packers last season and some of the best teams this season a little more than halfway through the Gary Kubiak: What To Do thread
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about DeMeco, but I still think he would do well in a 3-4 because he is a good football player, and it shouldnt matter what system a good football player plays in./blockquote>
Unfortunatly DeMeco would get killed in a 3-4 like Ray Lewis or Johnathan Vilma. If you let guards get to him and make him fight through tackles, he’s going to lose all his effectiveness. Look at Lewis & Vilma once they got back to a 4-3 and got big men in front of them agian. Resurgence.
by marroncito on Dec 11, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeMeco ineffective in a 3-4 defense?
Really? That never crossed my mind. At all.
Agree on all points.
by Jordann on Dec 11, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis is still in a 3-4
But youre right about Vilma.
"Every time you turn on ESPN you see Bama" - Earl Thomas' answer when asked what excites him most about the National Championship.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 11, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what's gonna happen if Cowher comes to Houston
AND switches to a 3-4.
by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats gonna happen?
The Texans are going to fall to 31st in total defense like KC, or the Texans will improve their PPG allowed by .3 and decrease their YPG allowed by 1.4? The latter is what’s happened to KC during their first year of the dreaded switch to the 3-4. They are also doing it with less talented players and worse coaches than if we brought in Cowher. Quit assuming things and do some fucking research before you hate on everything.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also, KC was 31st in total defense last year too
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by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You think that works in favor of your argument? A team that had no playmakers in the 4-3 wasn’t hurt by the move becuase they already completely sucked. I’m shocked.
by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my point was that even with the switch
KC has had basically the same PPG allowed and YPG allowed. Yes it helps the argument that they didnt suck even more as many people here believe will automatically happen with a switch to a 3-4
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No I don’t think it really counts when they were already the 31st defense in the league. How much worse could they have gotten?
by nolander on Dec 10, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They could have given up more yards and points, but they are not
If they could keep those numbers even through the switch, why dont you think the Texans could too? If the Texans give up 334.6 YPG allowed and 21.9 PPG allowed (the same differences the Chiefs saw from last year to this year) in a hypothetical switch to a 3-4, would you be happy with those numbers because thats the point I was trying to make the entire time.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 10, 2009 1:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nolander.
I tried to entertain their argument but there’s just no such thing as reaching an understand with this guy. It’ll just be a waste of effort.
by Jordann on Dec 10, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the bottom line everyone is forgetting is...
That even a 3-4 coach wouldn’t completely switch to a 3-4 in year one with a 4-3 team. They’d run a year or two of a hybrid, until they got the personnel to match up a bit.
thus rendering this discussion moot as fuck.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 10, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Youre right Jordann
there is no reaching an understanding with me when you dont try to change your viewpoint either. Usually reaching an understanding requires both parties to compromise some, and since neither of us would do that, you cant just blame me. But nice try man.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 10, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher 2010!
Woot woot!
P.S.
Richard (Rick, for those people that don’t understand that once Richard Smith was fired last year; people started refering to Rick smith as Richard Smith) Smith. You’re a failure of a gm because you drafted a fifth round DT that didn’t turn into a pro bowler and for not drafting big name free agents that don’t fit our scheme. Don’t you understand that as long as they are talented, it doesn’t matter that they don’t fit our philosophies and schemes? You’re also fired!
by Jordann on Dec 11, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You love to exaggerate dont you?
Especially to make your point. Can you quote me on where I said a 5th round DT should be a pro bowler? All I remember saying is that a 5th round DT should see the field some when DT is one of the weakest positions on the team.
P.S. you cant “draft” a free agent.
P.P.S. I love you too
"Every time you turn on ESPN you see Bama" - Earl Thomas' answer when asked what excites him most about the National Championship.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 11, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how you got what I meant
yet you felt compelled to point it out. But yeah that was my mistake. I blame it on all the draft talks that’s been going on lately.
Im gonna try to clarify this again. One more time. Either way I still love you mmkay?! You think that Smithiak is doing a bad job with filling in holes and bringing in talent to the team. But when there are no talents around the draft and the FA pool that fit our scheme, you can’t really blame them for that can’t you? And as for Okam, he’s a fifth round draft pick. He has seen time on the field(a little time, if you wanna nit pic). To draft a DT on the fifth round and have him starting regularly, much less turning him into a probowler would be striking it rich! It doesn’t happen too often. Wanna know why I think Smithiak is doing a good job? Because all of their first round draft picks are currently starters in our team. Two are already pro bowl caliber and the jury is still out on the other two. If two of those first round draft picks haven’t been contributing, then I would agree with you and say that they haven’t been doing a good job.
Here’s the breakdown with Smithiak’s picks:
2006
Seven Picks. Five are currently starting for out team. The other two are not with the texans anymore.
2007
Seven Picks. Four are starters, three have seen time on the field and had/has potential to turn into good back ups. And the other one is not with the texans anymore.
2008
Seven picks. Two are starters. Three have seen time on the field and are currently back ups. One is on the practice squad. Im not too sure about that. And one is on IR.
2009
Seven picks. Honestly, it’s too early to judge but two are quality starters. The other three are back ups. And the other one, I haven’t heard about him since he was drafted(Troy Nolan)
I was gonna breakdown the percentage of us retaining our draft picks and getting contributions from them but I gotta go. I’ll be back later though.
P.S. Took you long enough to say it back!
by Jordann on Dec 11, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jordann,
you really don’t think there is any possibility to get Cowher? Even if Bobby Boy throws tons of money at him and gives him a lot of the control you don’t think he could talk him (throw money at) into coming here? Maybe your right but sometimes money talks. What other teams do you think would come ahead of us for him to go to. Cleveland? Buffalo? Chicago (which is where I think Shanahan Sr. will end up)? I’m probably missing some other teams in that mix (a little help). I’m really not quite sure why Houston would be that bad of a place for him to go or why one of the other teams would be more appealing to him than here.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
by Bobobigbro on Dec 9, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you're missing Carolina and Washington
but I dont think Cowher will end up in Washington either even if Dan Snyder sends out twenty truckloads of money to his house.
The whole not Cowher thing was a joke. But I honestly don’t think he’s interested in the Texans. He might talk about coming here and actually meet with McNair, but only to use that as a leverage to land a different gig somewhere else. And im under the impression that a lot of Cowher’s success was because of Dick LeBeau.
by Jordann on Dec 9, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
But if Carolina can win most of the rest of their games I think Fox stays. Washington will be hiring and if you ask me I think his two best options become Houston and Washington. If Fox does go then I think it could be between us three. He might nix Washington based on Snyder alone but you never know.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
by Bobobigbro on Dec 9, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Consider this...
Cowher doesn’t need money, so that might be nice for some, but IF he comes back, it’ll be because everything aligned with his wants, and not his accountant.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 10, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he is ready to be a head coach. But
by AllenOU on Dec 9, 2009 3:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Lets get either the Minnesota or Philly D coordinator.
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
by Rockets 4 Life on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Lets get either the Minnesota or Philly D coordinator.
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
by Rockets 4 Life on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer Leslie Frazier
over the rookie Philly D Coordinator whose name I don’t know because he’s young.
by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although I voted to let Kubes have one more year.
Provided he cut Chris Brown and name new DL/DB/ST coaches.
by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sean McDermott
I feel like I should support him because he went to the same undergrad I did.
by cubic on Dec 9, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He also shares a first name with me, bonus.
by cubic on Dec 9, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the deal
with the Philly DC? Their D ain’t that good and you want to bring him here for a HC position? I just don’t understand that one. I’m ok with the Frazier but not the Philly DC.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
by Bobobigbro on Dec 9, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he is ready to be a head coach. But
Gregg williams
wouldn’t have to switch our d to a 3-4
only others would be holmgren and gruden
I think gruden is actually a possibility
and one other name I’ll through out there, but only for a MAX of three seasons
Marty schottenheimer.
by AllenOU on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Gregg Williams is a defensive coordinator. Why? His record as a coach is garbage. His defenses are great though. Maybe him and Kubes could share the Co-Coach title, but I don’t want Gregg Williams tinkering with my offense.
Marty? Noooooo. This team is not a running team nor is it built to run. Marty Ball calls for running.
by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gruden...
He’s proven himself to be enough of an idiot on MNF that I wouldn’t ever want him going anywhere near this team.
by Barrett on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
because during the Titans game he sucked VYs nuts the ENTIRE time
Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
by Kiratomi on Dec 9, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad posted twice
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
by Rockets 4 Life on Dec 9, 2009 3:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Ok people...
in case you didn’t read it, John Gruden just signed (meaning in the last month or so) a HUGE contract with ESPN to do analysis and commentary on Monday Football. The man is on tv for now and not looking for a HC job so please remove him from the list and or think that he is a possibility b/c he is not.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
by Bobobigbro on Dec 9, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's good
Because until this year, MNF had been missing the batshit-crazy aspect of football.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Dec 9, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gruden should get drunk every MNF
Like he did during the draft (or maybe draught). That was awesome.
by WhiskeyR on Dec 9, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One more year
I was as pissed as anyone on Sunday and was ready to see Kubes go, but I’ve since calmed down. I mean, it does suck to lose games like that, but I think it’s an indication of lack of talent rather than poor coaching. I mean, given the huge waste that was the Capers/Casserly years – who’s still around from then? AJ, Kris Brown, and Chester Pitts – the Texans are pretty much like a fourth year expansion team. The team keeps making progress and, barring a complete collapse where we lose out, I say we keep Kubes for the last year of his contract. If we don’t make the playoffs next year, then I would most likely want to see him out the door.
Honestly I feel like most Texans fans, myself included, got a little caught up in the preseason hype that had the Texans as a good, playoff-ready team, and now that we are facing the reality that the Texans are a mediocre team, well, it’s causing a bit of an overreaction I think.
by cubic on Dec 9, 2009 4:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you on this one...
I think kubes ought to be allowed to serve out the last year on his contract. i’m not happy with the way the season has gone this year anymore than the rest of the people who post here, but you have to admit that compared to the last regime this team is exponentially better. maybe they didn’t live up to the hype of pre-season, but at least there was some real hope for this team this year. in years passed, the “real hope” was just in hoping we could field a competitive team. one that didn’t make us cringe at how bad they looked on the field next to an established team with some history to them.
by turnip73 on Dec 10, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd for level-headedness...
even if it was delayed.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Dec 10, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Glanville is now available.
Let’s bring back the run-n-shoot!
by OregonTexan on Dec 9, 2009 4:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Glanville Is The Stagger-Lee Coach
Pardee was the run-and-shoot coach. The Oilers had the talent to compete for a spot in the Super Bowl while he was here, and Glanville blew it. The biggest problem with Glanville was his propensity resort to dive plays when the Oilers took the lead. Oh, and the other Head Coaches in the conference hated him so much they collaborated to game-plan against him.
by kozanack on Dec 9, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this should be a separate FanPost
…but here it is: Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show is on The CW tonight at 8……
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Dec 9, 2009 6:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to point out that Brian Cushing is rated #1 LB by pro football focus
by big daddy texan#1 on Dec 9, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
One more year
Personally, I am happy that the Texans have finally gotten to the point where .500 is not good enough. This point alone has taken much longer than most of us expected or hoped for. Even though the record may end up the same, (it will be in the same vicinity) I think most of us agree that this is a much better team than we had last year. I think with one more year for both Kubiak and Baby Shan to mature, we will be much closer to the point than with kicking Kubiak to occur.
With that said, if at any point Kubiak loses the team or they quit playing for him, all of the above becomes null and void.
by CoogmanSam on Dec 9, 2009 7:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I side with Andre Johnson. Keep Kubiak.
But if Andre Johnson jumped off a bridge I’d probably do that too.
by WhiskeyR on Dec 9, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I will follow you off that bridge, well I am not following you, it’s #80. Let’s keep Kubiak.
by Jahon on Dec 9, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what do you think he is going to say, "Fire My Head Coach"
Do you really think the star player of our team who is known as one of the quietest stars in the league would come out and say he wants his coach gone? C’mon Man its not T.O. we’re talking about.
As for following Dre off a bridge, I would be third in line.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would jump off the bridge first so that my limp body would break Andre’s fall.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Even when Andre is lying
it automatically becomes the truth.
by WhiskeyR on Dec 10, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
In any case...
I hope McNair writes himself a letter to read after the season detailing exactly how he feels about Kubiak at this point in time. For some reason or other, the Texans will win 3 of the last 4, again bringing in warm feelings for Kubes. But we can’t get all giddy after a few wins that we lose sight of the inevitable low points and why we questioned Kubes in the first place.
I think Gus Johonson may have said something similar during the broadcast, but he was spewing so much crap and I was filled with such furious rage that I can’t really remember.
by BigTexBD on Dec 9, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
especially because we have had December upswings under Kubiak before
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that would be terrible to win the next 3.
/sarcasm
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i never said it would be bad
Im just saying that we shouldnt get back onto Kubiak’s high horse because we have a good December. That is Kubiak’s trend, play a shitty Sept, Oct, Nov, and then save the season in December. It will be nothing out of the team that we havent seen under Kubes.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
his teams don't quit
is one way to look at that.
If he returns in 2010 and goes 6-0, then finish 8-8, it would be possibly even more disappointing. See the 2nd colts game for this feeling.
When the games are won or lost (early v. late in the season) is irrelevant if the end result is the same. (tie breakers and division games aside, of course)
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Finishing strong is usually considered a good thing I thought.
by nolander on Dec 9, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it is a good thing...
but a four year pattern of poor first 3 months and then a good December is a pattern, and a bad one at that.
2006: Started 3-8 December 3-2
2007: Started 5-6 December 3-2
2008: Started 4-7 December 4-1
2009: Started 5-6 Dec/Jan 0-1
Id rather have a good football season. It kind of reflects the problem this year of not playing full football games. We can play one half, or 3 quarters, but never a full game. With the seasons we have seen so far from Kubiak, we can play the 4th quarter, but nothing else. Thats not considered a good thing.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 9, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying you have to count it. Wins are wins. We seemingly played the first half of this season pretty well what with being 5-3, it was the 3rd quarter in this analogy that killed us.
by nolander on Dec 10, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
And that 3rd quarter was entirely against division foes, thats not good.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 10, 2009 1:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
besides the Colts every freakin year
who doesn’t have low points?
The last 3 wins count as much as the first 3. I would be happy with 8-8 at this point.
If Kubes is as bad as you think, you have nothing to worry about, we’ll finish 5-11.
The 1-5 division record will still be on that resume that you can use at the end of the season to make your decision. And it may be enough in my book to decide to make the change.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 9, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying
We lose sight of Kubes’ faults when we’re winning, so it’s important to keep in mind during such high points how bad the low points are. I think it’s only fair if you want to do a thorough evaluation after the season.
by BigTexBD on Dec 9, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pointing the finger at Kubiak for the mediocre season...
If you guys do that, its unfair (sobs) It’s really unfair man (sobs) He’s my Texan’s coach man (sobs)…..[saw TJ] Hey Travis is Rhonda doing fine over there?
by b0wse on Dec 10, 2009 12:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
CB Halfback pass was the straw that broke the camel's back
One too many bad play calls in crucial high leverage situations.
by OremLK on Dec 10, 2009 8:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lets assume Kubiak comes back in 2010
and we finish this season at 8-8, again.
6-10
8-8
8-8
8-8
What would bring Kubiak back for 2011?
Is it only the playoffs? Does he come back with another 8-8?
Because its beginning to sound like a broken record. And I’m leaning toward keeping him, but if you talk about expectations hurting him this season, can you imagine the pressure on the coach of an NFL team that is essentially fired if he doesn’t win 10 games AND go to the playoffs?
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Dec 10, 2009 10:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Even if he finishes 7-9.
Which I hope doesn’t happen. I would still keep him around till his contract expires.
And if again, we’re out of the WC race by W13; I wouldn’t offer him a contract extension and just let him walk at the end of the season.
We’re not close to being a playoff team. We’re almost a WC team. Im intrigued about the moves that Smithiak will make this coming off-season.
by Jordann on Dec 10, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one move already made
improve our draft position the last four weeks.
I’m intrigued also.
If we go 0-4 or 1-3 you still want him next season?
Mount Cody in round 1
by texanphil on Dec 10, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Putting all optimism aside last season
when we finished 8-8 for the second time in our franchise history. I thought that we were going to finish 6-10. This season, I had them going 7-9 at worst and 9-7 if we our lack of defensive talent gets nullified by our explosive offense.
If we go 0-4. I would still want him coaching us next season. You can quote me on that.
Why? Because I see the improvements and the potential. Im sick the “if’s” but there’s been a lot of it this season. Out of the seven games that we lost this season so far, four of them were winnable IMO. If we get some more talent on the defensive side of the ball (DT, CB, WLB, FS{I think Wilson is more than capable but we need a back up not named Russel, Barber or Busing}) and a tweaked interior offensive line coupled with a strong showing from Steve Slaton; I honestly think that we would be able to compete for a WC spot next season.
by Jordann on Dec 10, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know why I keep doing that.
“if we our lack of defensive talent gets nullified by our explosive offense.”
by Jordann on Dec 10, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be tough
to say the team didn’t quit on him if he lost the last 8 games of the season.
It would be very tough to not fire the guy, imo.
Mount Cody in round 1
by texanphil on Dec 10, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in complete agreement...
…I know you aren’t a fan of the stats like I am, but they have shown me how agonizingly close the Texans are. Literally, it’s fluke turnovers or stupid penalties….we’re so close. I’m onboard for Kubiak getting one year to show us something.
by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a fan.
Just maybe not as huge of a fan as you are. After the whole AJ vs RW thread, can you blame me? Fucking Josh Morgan had better DVOA’s and DYAR’s than Andre Johnson and that’s why Andre Johnson is inferior to Reggie Wayne! Reggie freaking Wayne! You should know, I think you were there!
by Jordann on Dec 11, 2009 12:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I def get where you're coming from.
The only reason I dug into the stats is because someone suggested the offense is more at fault than the defense for our current state.
I don’t get, nor support, DVOA or DYAR or anything that sounds like a baseball stat.
by TexansDC on Dec 11, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think next year would be much higher stakes. It goes from should I keep this guy for another year, to do I want to not only keep him but EXTEND him for more money? So I think he has to make the playoffs next year for McNair to justify that.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let the man do his JOB!!!
This whole team is young, both staff and players, and is just now turning the corner. Bush is in his first year of installment of his defense. Kyle is being groomed into his offensive coordinating position and you can see Kubiak handing over the reigns more and more in the past couple of seasons, and to be quite honest aint doin to bad of a job considering his age. Kubiak is growing and learning as a Head coach and in my opinion deserves another year to prove himself. As for the players we are young across the board. Having young players brings rookie mistakes and there is not much else to be said about that then to learn the hard way. On the plus side to having a young core is that you have can only get better as your rookies become veterans, and that in itself speaks numbers in the teams direction. I like the direction this team is moving towards and hope it keeps progressing.
The only thing I dont like Kubiak is his position on accountablility. Him placing the blame soley on himself bothers me. He should put fire on some of his players asses.
If you look at the situation houston is in at a whole, I think most people would be satisified. Most people now are about Instant gratification. No one can keep them happy. Thats why they are called BAND WAGON FANS.
by Big_T on Dec 10, 2009 12:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Well said.
Only thing I don’t agree about is the whole accountability deal. He does put the blame on himself during press conferences. He doesn’t blast specific players when they mess up and that’s what a coach should do. Don’t criticize your players in public because thats when you start losing them. I can guarantee you that he’s doing a good job with that behind close doors.
by Jordann on Dec 10, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed to an extent
Dont really expect him to throw his players under the bus. There is more than one way to skin a cat. It all on wording on the wording. A coach who knows how to manipulate the press to get off a message to his player and still manage to maintain his respect in the lockers is what we need from him.
by Big_T on Dec 10, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"He should put fire on some of his players asses."
rofl…..just lol…
I’m all for discipline, but this might cause problems with the league.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Dec 10, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing if Smithiak stays for 2010
Since Kubiak and Smith would likely be playing for their jobs, we may actually see a trade up in the draft.
I realize we’re not one player away, but if we’re ever gonna see it from this administration, 2010 may be the year, depending on what they sign in FA, since its 2010 or bust for Kubiak at least.
Mount Cody in round 1
by texanphil on Dec 12, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It would be the year to see it
But it could also end up being what ruins them. If they are playing for their jobs and they trade up in the draft, but then that draft pick is a bust or just not worth it, that could be the end of Smithiak.
"Every time you turn on ESPN you see Bama" - Earl Thomas' answer when asked what excites him most about the National Championship.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Dec 12, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see much logic in this team trading up. If they could just get solid contributors at 3 of their 4 major holes I think this team becomes a playoff team. We aren’t one playmaker away, we have plenty of playmakers who need a better supporting cast.
by nolander on Dec 12, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about trading next years picks
then we get our same 3 or 4 major holes filled, and an improved 1st pick?
I’m not for it, but I’m thinkin’ if we ever see it with them, this might be the year.
Mount Cody in round 1
by texanphil on Dec 12, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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