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The Texans are the best organization in town?

I always listen to talk radio while commuting; mostly 610 and 790 because the 1560 reception is terrible between Seabrook and Deer Park. Heard an interesting call on the way home yesterday and thought I'd share it with you. The caller, like me, was a close follower of the Texans, Rockets and Astros. The point he was trying to make was "When did you think you would be telling yourself that the Texans are the finest run major pro sports organization in Houston?" (All due respect to the Dynamo, and although I also follow soccer closely, I realize MSL is not at the same level as the NFL, NBA and MLB. USA 2 - Mexico 0. Si se puede. Nice win for the USA last night)

The Rockets are currently in the throes of a mystifying malaise. TMac again did not play last night and says his knee that was operated on last off season is still not right. If he only had Dunta's heart.......co-worker calls him She-Mac. I like the way the GM Morey crafts his roster and Les Alexander is a great owner, always willing to pull the trigger on a major deal, but what has that gotten him? The Rockets are so inconsistent that they have become hard to watch. That meltdown aginst Milwaukee's 2nd string the other night was disgusting. Before the season started, I had high hopes that this would finally be the year that the Rockets made a real playoff run. Right now they look like they are a team in search of a floor leader. I still hope that they can at least get out of the 1st round, but I am not counting on it. The

Astros - Drayton McLane just plain pisses me off. That guy has more money than Bob McNair and Les Alexander COMBINED. Financially he is in the same league as Steinbrenner. He ran the Astros organization into the ground by essentially eliminating their minor league organization, which when Hunsicker was here was one of the best in all of baseball. Why did he do it? Because he runs the Astros like they are a grocery wholesaler and looks at immediate costs only. He gutted the scouting department, and then got so cheap that he stopped signing his top draft picks because he didn't want to make competitive contract offers (these offers are slotted by MLB, but he was too cheap to spend what Selig, et al recommended). What an idiot. That is why Hunsicker left. He then helped Tampa Bay get to the World Series in a few short years. Once the farm system is depleted, even the Steinbrenners of the world can't spend enough money to build a champion sloely through free agency. What is most galling of all is that he wastes no opportunity to tell anyone who will listen how hard he is working to field a competitive team. Remember when he was asking for public funds to help build a new stadium? He said "Build me the stadium & I will do what it takes to field a winner". He is no longer living up to that promise, and I am praying for the day that he will sell the team to a guy like Les Alexander or Bob McNair.

I am an avid follower of all 3 of Houston's major teams. I get crazy excited when any of them do well. The Rocket's back-to-back in the mid 90's was great. The Astros have provided many exciting postseason performances as well. Great stuff, great memories. Nothing to me though quite matches the excitement of football. I realize the readers of this blog may not give a crap about the Astros or Rockets, so this is definitely not the best vehicle to get a good sampling of Hoston's sport fans. The question I ask is "Are the Texans the best run major pro sports organization in Houston today?". I would greatly appreciate that you only respond if you are at least a casual fan of the other 2 teams. I know you are ALL Texans fans.

Poll
What major pro sports organization is the best run in Houston?
Texans
20 votes
Rockets
9 votes
Astros
1 votes

30 votes | Poll has closed

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I though I had separated that post into a few different paragraphs.........Sorry

Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to start a new paragraph?
Thanks in advance.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 12, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting debate OTD

I’m going to obstain from the vote because I’m so biased. I follow all three teams, but my love generally for football far surpasses basketball and baseball. And I grew up worshiping baseball, it was my favorite sport by far, ut I can’t watch a sport where the same teams are in the playoffs every year because they buy their way in.

As for the post, I’m not trying to be a smart ass but I just hit enter. The best advice I can give you is the same that Tim gave e when he asked me to write for the blog, always preview. You can also edit it now to make it the way you want it.

Overall, really god discussion, especially for a time like now when we all have a clock in our heads counting down to th draft.

Let's get the Texans a better fight song.

by Jake on Feb 12, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry if that's not what you wanted

I edited your post to reflect how I thought you wanted the paragraphs broken down. Sorr if I was stepping on your toes.

Let's get the Texans a better fight song.

by Jake on Feb 12, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to go with the Rockets

They’ve proven they can win championships, and the owner spares NO expense. He’ll spend any possible amount to win, as he’s proven once again this year. The problem is, it just hasn’t worked out lately… but the effort is there. You can’t ever accuse the Rockets of being cheap or putting the bottom line ahead of winning.

The Texans are second.

by HoustonDiehards on Feb 12, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I went with the Texans

Because I think McNair is totally classy and it spreads throughout the organization. And he doesn’t have some weird hangup about animal rights like Alexander.

FWIW I think the Astros’ farm system was pretty much depleted when Hunsicker left. And I think McLane is defiinitely in third place on the list. But even McLane is a huuuuuuuge improvement over his predecessor.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 12, 2009 3:12 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

True

McLane, for all his faults, is worlds better than John Freaking McMullen.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 12, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I used to think that – but the more years go by, I don’t see it.

McClane is a grocery salesman who likes to meddle with baseball issues. The Astros shouldn’t even be in this conversation. The Dynamo should be ahead of them.

by HoustonDiehards on Feb 12, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t understand how “weird animal rights” hangups carry more weight than… TWO NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! Plus, the animal rights thing, as I understand it – was more about his wife, and she’s out of the picture now.

I’m always a football guy first, so I’m biased just like TT is – but that doesn’t blind me so much that I can’t see how the Rockets are the best organization in town. The Texans are a very close second for me though. The TWO NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS kind of put them over the top.

by HoustonDiehards on Feb 12, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct Chris that Les Alexander's former spouse was the animal rights advocate (or nut)

depending on your point of view. Les is pure class as an owner, as is McNair. We are lucky to have those two in Houston. You are also right about McClane being a perfect example of a successful businessman who thinks he can run a sports franchise. One has little to do with the other. The best owners are the ones like Bob & Les who hire the right people, let them do their jobs, evaluate them fairly, and make changes where necessary. Both the Rockets and the Texans are headed in the right direction. The Dynamo are good at continually retooling their roster, but MLS will never be able to compete with the big 3 sports. In my opinion though, it is better to watch than ice hockey, and I watched a lot of that in the 60’s & 70’s when soccer was not even on the sports landscape in the US.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 13, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much

I will say this, the Astros did shell out top dollar for FA pitching the year they went to the WS.

But yea, voted Texans.

by b0ng on Feb 12, 2009 6:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You guys are nuts.

10-2?

TEN to two, against the team who has brought this city two NBA championships – the ONLY major titles in city’s non-soccer modern history?

I mean, I’m the biggest Texans fan in the world and even I think that’s nuts.

by HoustonDiehards on Feb 12, 2009 8:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cowboys fans like to go on about all the rings they've won

…and they haven’t won one any more recently than the Rockets did. And that doesn’t make Jerah a good owner.

I don’t have too much against Alexander, but I believe that McNair is going about things in a more sustainable way.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 13, 2009 8:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference...

is that Jerrah overpays for “names,” regardless of if they are actually good or a good fit for the team. Alexander will break open the checkbook for high profile guys (like Artest), but only if they seem to fit the puzzle. Sadly, he’s been striking out in terms of getting all his pieces on the floor at the same time, and the T-Mac thing went from a great idea to a debacle, but I think I prefer that style to McNair (and, by extension, the Texans) worrying almost entirely about character rather than talent. If Alexander were the Texans’ owner, knowing that we’ve never had anything resembling a decent NT and that the lack of such player is KILLING us, we’d at least be looking at Haynesworth. Might not get him because someone is going to pay him the GDP of Bahrain, but still, we’d be looking. (We’d similarly be looking at Bart Scott if he doesn’t get tagged, etc…)

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Feb 13, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, and I'm not hating on Alexander

It’s kind of apples and oranges, and I’m biased against the NBA anyway, but my sense is that McNair is building a team that will compete for a long time from the ground up. I don’t even know if that’s possible in the NBA.

Yet (and again, this just may be being hugely biased) I get the sense that the Texans are more likely to win a playoff game in the near future than the Rockets will win a series.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 13, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Building a succesful team in the NBA is tougher

I think, primarily because there is less talent available, and that talent is spread around a lot more. To compete, you have to be able to find good talent out of the second round of the draft, as well as bargains in free agency. And you have to deal with the byzantine NBA salary cap rules, especially if you’re not the Lakers or Knicks.

I think that the Rockets (particularly now) are very well set up in that regard. Daryl Morey has been able to find good talent relatively cheaply (Carl Landry, Luis Scola) and stay under the cap, allowing the Rockets to draw from revenue sharing. If there is one GM in Houston (and no offense to Rick Smith, who seems to be doing fairly well for the Texans) who I think can get Houston another title, it’s Morey. Unfortunately, the Rockets’ efforts in the postseason have been hampered by freak injuries.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 13, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea of building from the ground up

But I think, at some point, you have to be willing to buy the last few pieces you need so that the team is complete and ready to contend while all those best homegrown pieces are at their peak. I mean, if you build ONLY through the draft, you risk losing the first pieces to free agency and/or missing the window on some of the talent.

Don’t get me wrong—-I like the way the team is built for the most part. I just think that, when you have superstars like Mario, Andre, and DeMeco (as well as a ton of talent at some other positions), you’ve got to sack up and pay to get the missing parts. If you’ve really built this high-character clubhouse, I don’t think one ass of a player is going to disrupt things, ESPECIALLY if he’s a very good player and the team is winning.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Feb 13, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta go with the Rockets

The Rockets have championships. The Texans dont have a body of work long enough to make an educated comparison, and I think Drayton tries to make the astros just good enough not to piss us off. I really like the direction the texans are going, but the fact of the matter is that we still havent even had a winning season. Gotta go with the Rockets.

by Corn on the Schaub on Feb 13, 2009 12:17 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Solid Logic COTS

but this past off season Uncle D pissed me off. Letting Wiggington and Wolf walk over salaries that are not huge by current standards, while having nothing of substance with which to replace either them is indefensible. Aaron Boone? are you freakin’ kidding me? If he had not signed Valverde claiming financial hardship, and that rumor was afloat, he would have alienated the entire fan base. That he even considered doing it would be unthinkable to any REAL owner, i.e. not a profit mongering suit. Don’t think I’ll attend another ’Stros game as long as he runs the show.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 13, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Corn on the Schaub

That’s the worst user name I’ve ever heard in my life.

Who is this guy anyway?

Sheesh.

by KaceOFbass on Feb 28, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice

Welcome.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 28, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Comment Rec'd

Purely for your user name. Great to have you aboard, COTS.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 13, 2009 12:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Hilarious

Let's get the Texans a better fight song.

by Jake on Feb 13, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Which one of you jokers voted for the Astros? LOL

by HoustonDiehards on Feb 13, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The only way that makes sense...

is if Drayton is a BRB reader. And, even then, you’d like to think he has more sense than that.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Feb 13, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Drayton Is A BRB Reader...

I want his user name. He’s banned.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 13, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Corn on the Schaub

obv

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 14, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or...

Tomriffic.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Feb 15, 2009 2:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

Though I’m in this thread stumping for the Rockets – I’ve always hated HATED the Adelman hire. It was a terrible fit for our personnel. I was a big JVG fan because he actually had installed toughness and accountability – two things that are totally gone under Adelman.

That said – I can’t argue TOO much that it was time for JVG to move on – but no way Adelman was the right guy. I don’t even know who is, because the thing that drives me nuts the most about the Rockets is the SAME THING I complain about at the beginning of every season – no heart. Through the JVG years, and now with Adelman – this team has never had any heart.

So, that was a horrible organizational move.

by HoustonDiehards on Feb 15, 2009 3:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The way the Rockets have seemingly forgotten how to play defense it seems you are right about Rick

JVG did a great job teaching defense and it seems like the longer he is gone, the more the players forget what he taught them. Although I guess I can rationalize that on some level, i find it EXTREMELY disappointing. These guys are professionals. Some of them like Battier, Hayes and Mutombo are more or less defensive specialists. Last season, we were much more cohesive defensively than we are now.

The knock on JVG was that our offense was slow and one dimensional. The obvious knock on Adelman is that he is an Offense first coach. Maybe offense only. Worse yet the Rockets cannot even consistently execute his motion offense. At times, usually crunch time, we look as stagnant on offense as we did under JVG.

You’re smarter than me Chris, because I did not see this coming. I guess I naively thought we could continue the defense that JVG instilled while improving on offense because of Adelman. Clearly we are no better now than we were under JVG. Lately we are just a .500 team. Morey and Alexander deserve better. The fans deserve better. Morey is a pretty smart guy when it comes to evaluating players. Now we’ll see if he can find the right coach.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 15, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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