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Brett Favre Candidate For The Texans Offseason MVP?

I’ve been working a 12 hour shift at night as part of a training exercise.  The worst part about working from 8 p.m. to 8 a.m. is the television.  As I was sitting around today and yesterday trying to find something to watch on TV relating to football while I surf NFL news sites and blogs, I found that the only two sports channels I have in my hotel room are ESPN and ESPN2.  ESPN used to be my favorite network as a kid growing up and as such, I watched it religiously.  These days, ESPN is closer to MTV than the ESPN of old in the sense that it only spends time focusing on iconic sports figures and franchises, such as the Yankees, the Cowboys, T.O., Brett Favre, and the current “it” team(s).  Oh, and when I say spending time, I mean spends about 23.5 hours a day (no quality control is perfect, though; every once in a while the little guys sneak on the network).

The last two days have been especially brutal because a certain drama queen decided to retire.  I don’t care whether Brett Favre is a great guy or Satan, or if he made a mistake by going to the Jets for a year.  I just want him to go away.  As I was in the process of loathing Jim Rome, Ed Werder, Chris Mortenson and everyone on NFL Live for dedicating ALL 30 minutes to inflating Favre’s head even more, something occurred to me.  This could actually help the Texans immensely.

Star-divide

When Brett Favre strode into Manhattan and the city was abuzz with Super Bowl aspirations, former Jets coach Eric Mangini and general manager Mike Tannenbaum saw that they had one too many QBs, so they decided to send the perennially injured Chad Pennington packing, who eventually found his way to divisional opponent Miami.  That turned out not to be the best decision in the world as the Dolphins beat the Jets in Week 17 and in doing so, won the AFC East.  The bigger issue now is that with Favre’s retirement, the number one QB on the Jets' depth chart is Kellen Clemons.  By trading for Favre in the first place, the Jets showed that they didn’t believe enough in Clemons as a quarterback to make him the starter, so you have to assume the same is true today.  Which means they need a new QB (yes, I can put 2 and 2 together, I know I’m special).

So how does this help us?  Very simply, there is a shortage of starting caliber QBs available this year, both in the draft and free agency.  In fact, there are more teams that need a QB than quality QB prospects.  This is what we like to call a Seller’s Market because there is more demand than supply.  The main thing that helps us is that several of the teams that need or desire a QB fall after the fifteenth pick of the draft, otherwise known as the Houston Texans first round selection.

Usually you get differing opinions from so-called draft experts, but one thing you see pretty unanimously this year is that there are only three QBs worth taking in the first round: Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman.  Many people believe that Detroit will make Stafford the number one overall pick because they can take him at one and then take another position of need later in the round, thanks to Jerry Jones giving them Dallas' first round selection.  There are many differing opinions about Mark Sanchez’s selection, ranging from Seattle with the fourth overall pick, San Francisco with the tenth, and/or Washington with the thirteenth.  Almost all mock drafts I’ve seen, however, have Sanchez being selected before us at 15, which I feel is realistic.  So that leaves just Freeman for the Jets at 17.  If one of those teams in the market for a QB decides that they can’t live without Freeman, this could be our ticket to trading down and receiving extra draft picks.

There are three different teams that I can envision trading with us to select Freeman.  Using the same table as I did before, I will estimate the return for our pick and discuss what the pros and cons are for each below:

Tampa Bay – The team has a love/hate relationship with the aging Jeff Garcia, and there other option is Luke McCown and Brian Griese, ouch.  I have also discussed the possibility of Tampa being in the market for a RB with their first pick, but I think the depth at RB is much greater than QB in this year’s draft and therefore allows Tampa to pick up a serviceable RB sometime after the first round.  If we gave Tampa the 15th overall pick, we would likely receive the 19th and the 83rd overall picks, which constitute the Bucs' first and third round selections.  At 19, all of the defensive players we would have been looking at with our pick would probably still be there because San Diego is likely to take either a RB or OL. If a QB is not available, the Jets desperately need help at CB or DE (but they are looking for a DE to fit a 3-4), and I think Chicago will take a WR, although the danger is that they need a DE as well (the 4-3 kind, unfortunately).  I say if they make an offer, take it in a heartbeat.

Detroit – This may confuse you given not only the belief that they will take Stafford with the first pick, but also by the fact that I just said they would earlier in this post.  I have read an interesting theory/opinion a couple different times that Detroit should take an OT with their 1st overall pick, and then use the pick they got from Dallas, which is the 20th, to pick Josh Freeman.  If you think about it, it really does hold some water.  How many QBs have been selected first overall and been total busts, and how many busts can you think of that were OTs?  If they decide to follow this strategy, there is a decent chance they might trade with us to take Freeman at 15, who would probably still be the third and final QB left in the first round, because I don’t think Kansas City or Seattle would be able to pass on Stafford.  The reason Detroit would be willing to give up extra picks, even though they need as much help as they can get, is because they’re playing with house money (i.e., Dallas draft picks), and they desperately need their QB of the future.  They might be able to convince the fans that it was wise not to select a QB first overall, but they’ll have a riot if they don’t select a QB in the first round.  If we took the deal, we would most likely get a very similar deal than we would have gotten with Tampa, although Rick Smith might be able to finagle a fifth round pick as well.  We would have to contend with the same picks as I listed in the Tampa argument and the Bucs themselves, who would probably be looking at RB or WR here, but may be looking for an interior DL if they can’t sign Albert Haynesworth.  If it’s the only offer we’re getting, I say take it, but I like the Tampa trade for the purpose of less risk, and I like the next one because of greater reward.

Minnesota – My God does this team need a QB.  They very easily could have been a Super Bowl contender with a better signal caller last year.  If they don’t get better play from that position this year, Brad Childress loses his job and he knows it.  If we took the deal with Minnesota and gave them the 15th pick, we would almost definitely be looking at the 22nd, 86th, and 118th picks, which would mean not only an extra third round selection but a fourth rounder as well.  The only other teams we would have to wait on not mentioned above would be Detroit and Philladelphia.  The Eagles will probably take TE Brandon Pettigrew, and if Detroit is picking at 20, they’ll probably be looking for a LB to anchor their woeful defense.  Even if we were looking at the same LB prospect as Detroit, I can’t think of one that would still be around at 20 that we absolutely couldn’t live without, especially for an extra fourth round pick.  We really need a speed rushing DE, and LB value can always be found in the middle rounds of the draft.  This is my favorite of all the prospective trades so far because I think it would allow Smith to take a chance in the second round knowing that he had a safety net of both two third and fourth round picks.

These are the three scenarios that I think are plausible involving teams trading up for the express purpose of drafting a QB.  Tennessee is rumored to be eyeing Freeman as well, but I don’t think they would trade up to get him and I would hope that we wouldn’t trade with a divisional opponent to give them the player they really wanted anyway.  That reminds me of the last reason why I like this strategy.  What do the three teams I listed have in common?  They’re all NFC teams, which means if Freeman turns out to be the real deal and is their franchise QB, he’ll only really be able to burn us in the Super Bowl.  That’s the kind of problem I’m willing to deal with.

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Damn

You got me! I was just about to start my “Brett Favre retiring helps the Texans chances of trading down” post. Nice work.

by HoustonDiehards on Feb 12, 2009 4:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yea

thats what i was thinking…

can we get a 3rd and 4th for sage? last year i think it was possible…idk this year…

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 12, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

After the copter took flight...

I don’t think we can get a 3rd and 4th GRADER for him.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Feb 13, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Sage has little to no trade value right now.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 13, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes please...

That would be nice, especially with how the Texans finds talent even in the later rounds…I would not mind that at all…

On a side note, Jim Rome is garbage…He is like the D-bags from TMZ…but on ESPN…I swear the guy would take out him rips to…well you know where I am going…I despise the man and I love watching the Video of that Football player knocking him out of his chair…vent completed…

by schillingb on Feb 12, 2009 9:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Jets...

Are fairly clueless. They just went out and splooged on free agents, so they’re most likely trying to build for now instead of long-term. Maybe their GM learned his lesson, but somehow I doubt it. Odds are they’ll make a move for somebody who has been in the league for a few years; possibly Sage, maybe Derek Anderson.

If they don’t get anybody through a trade though, this definitely becomes a plausible scenario. And if Detroit were to do something similar to what Cleveland did with Joe Thomas, I could certainly see them potentially looking to trade to 15 if 2/3 were already gone.

But if Cushing is available at 15 (unlikely?), I think you’ve gotta take him.

by Nashmeister on Feb 12, 2009 10:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

So if the Jets are more interested in developed players...

…and we need to get rid of the Rosencopter…

Any reason we can’t ship Tha Choppa and our first over to the Jets for, like, their first, second and third?

I mean, if they’re clueless, would they go for it?

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 13, 2009 7:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was high on Cushing...

until about four days ago. I need to do a post on it, but there are a couple serious red flags that pop up when you start looking at his measurables.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Feb 13, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just really hope

That you aren’t going to just harp on a few pictures taken years ago of him having tits and saying he’s a roider.

by b0ng on Feb 15, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oddly enough...

I’d feel better about him if I thought he was a ‘roider. The dude benches 320 (which is fine, if slightly low, for a SLB at a big time program), but he only squats 390. 390! That is, quite simply, pathetic. It’s about 150 (at least) too light. So, he’s either physically flawed and can’t lift more than that (unlikely) OR he’s just lazy when it comes to leg workouts and he doesn’t do them. Neither really pleases me. Then, you add in that his injury problems have been lower body…

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Feb 16, 2009 7:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Freeman

My question is whether you all think Josh Freeman is a legitimate first-round QB prospect. I just don’t see it.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 13, 2009 3:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No way

See here. Still doesn’t mean he won’t be taken in the 1st, though, by some desperate owner.

by BigTexBD on Feb 13, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Todd McShay predicts Sanchez lasts until 17 where the Jets snag him

If the Jets buy into that they may not look to get any FA QB’s, roll the dice on draft day hoping Sanchez lasts. If not then there will still be some available.

Yesterday Kornheiser and his PTI partner (not Wilbon) did over under 5 on the # of starts Kellen Clemons gets next year. Both said under, and Wilbon’s stand in said 0. No way he starts a game next year. If that’s what the Jets management is thinking they may get desperate enough to make an offer for the Copter.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 13, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I thought your angle was

Favre took the headlines away from the Texans lawsuit, and nobody cares about OTA’s so it will probably go away.

But your angle is much better.

I would LOVE it if 3 QB’s were taken in the top 14 picks. I’m ecstatic that 2 are suggested that high. But it probably won’t happen. Hopefully the ‘run’ on players isn’t on the defensive side of the ball.

If 3 QB’s are taken and there’s another run on OT’s like in years past, we’re in great shape to get an impact player on defense, and it also makes our 2nd round pick all that much better also.

We don’t even know what RS could do with a 2nd round pick. He hasn’t made one yet, has he?

Please draft some defensive stars for the next DC.

by texanphil on Feb 13, 2009 4:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Demeco?

Anyway, good thinking on qb’s in the draft. I’m rooting for Sanchez and Freeman to go early.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 13, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DeMeco was Kubiak

Casserly was technically still G.M. for the 2006 draft, and was fired shortly after the draft when Smith was hired. So this will only be his third draft.

Let's get the Texans a better fight song.

by Jake on Feb 13, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and thus

his first second-round pick.

If he can pull starters out of the late rounds, what can he do with twice as many first day picks?

Please draft some defensive stars for the next DC.

by texanphil on Feb 13, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: DeMeco

I recall reading that Johnny Holland (LB coach) was the driving force behind us drafting DeMeco. Richard Smith wanted nothing to do with him, but Kubes deferred to Holland.

Good decision.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 13, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

YES

Even if he didn’t have the stats, I would still love DeMeco bacuase of the way he plays. Furthermore, I’m impressed with Kubiak because he doesn’t aspire to be the Head Coach/General Manager hybrid that so many HC’s think they can be. He is an offensive coordinator by trade, so he deffers to the subject matter experts (especially the deffensive ones) to give their take on who is worthy of the NFL level and who is not, which is probably the main reason why the last three drafts have been so successful.

In fact, Richard Justice and all the other critics of Kubiak should take note. Kubiak’s main negative quality they’ve expressed frequently since he was made HC was that he just wanted to surround himself with positional coaches that he was familiar with, mainly from his Denver experience. By saying that, they have alluded that he wants to emulate his mentor, Mike Shannahon, in an effort to duplicate the Denver system and therefore be unoriginal. The flaw in this line of thinking is the failure to recognize the most glaring difference between the teacher and the pupil; Shannahan’s undoing was his belief that he could not only win by coaching the athletes already in his sysyem, but he could also pick the athletes that would fit best IN his system. Kubiak has shown that he will not only surround himself with coaches that he has gained confidence in through experience, but he will deffer to their expertise when choosing the right players.

Let's get the Texans a better fight song.

by Jake on Feb 14, 2009 2:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What?

You will never hear of dickface justice making a single comment on any past drafts of Smith and Kubiak because there’s not too much negative there. He’ll look to the firing of a S&C coach as the big reasons why both of these fine gentlemen should be fired.

by b0ng on Feb 15, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Todd McShay predicts Sanchez lasts until 17 where the Jets snag him

Would the Texans be willing to take Sanchez or Freeman to force the trade?

by otto44 on Feb 15, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm...

I doubt it. That’d take monster balls, because if the trade doesn’t materialize, you’re stuck with a QB you don’t want or need. And due first-round money to boot.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 15, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not likely because SD is at #16 (between us and the Jets) and they don't need a QB

If either Freeman or Sanchez is on the board at 15, then the Jets will be pretty confident that both Houston and SD will pass on them and the get their man. If they are both on the board at 15, then they surely would get one of them. Jets are only likely to trade up if Stafford and either Freeman or Sanchez has been taken and a team (or teams) above them have a QB need. Plus what Tim said about we or SD wouldn’t force a trade because it would likely just backfire on us. How many teams ahead of the Jets will go QB? I think the Jets have a good chance that one of the 3 QB’s will be available at 17.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 15, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree kind of

I’ll explain why in an upcoming post, but I really don’t agree with McShay’s assessment, but even if that’s true I think a team would be just as willing to trade up to 15 to grab Sanchez as they would Freeman, maybe even more so.

I never considered the Jets as a viable option to take the 15th pick from us, they were just the catalyst to scare the teams listed above into trading up to take Freeman, who I assumed would be the last first round quality QB left on the board. Even if McShay is right and Sanchez is still on the board at 15, maybe this makes one of the teams I listed above wait and see if Freeman can fall to them, or maybe they think that Sanchez is so much better that they are more inclined to move up to 15 and snag him before the Jets can. Remember, NFL teams don’t want just any of the guy’s rated in the first round, they want their guy that they’ve watched at the Combine, scouted, and have fallen in love with. If I was in the market for a QB I ould much rather have Sanchez than Freeman, and I don’t think I’m alone.

Trading with us makes sense because if Sanchez get’s past the 49ers, he’d lkely make it all the way to the Jets at 17. Following that logic, if one of those teams wanted him hey’ll want to pay as little as possible (i.e. not trade too high) but still get ahead of pick 17. I don’t think the Chargers are going to be willing to trade down because they’ll be looking for the same thing that either Tampa Bay (RB) or Detroit (OT) will be looking for. So were are the next best option.

Having said all this, I would not be in favor of drafting a QB just to inspire a trade. If a trade down deal is not on the table it’s because no one is that in love with Sancehz/Freeman and we would probably get hosed in a trade because we have no leverage.

Let's get the Texans a better fight song.

by Jake on Feb 15, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TTex I know that you have analyzed how the other team's needs impact the Texans draft

and I really appreciate you doing so. It makes for interesting reading. I was just responding to otto44’s proposed comment about us taking the last QB available in order to try to force a trade with the Jets. In the broader context of taking either Sanchez or Freeman at 15, and then trying to swing a deal with a team we believe to covet that player would be risky. Naturally Smith would contact TB, Det, Minn, Philly & Tenn if just Sanchez or Freeman remained at 15, and they all might be willing to deal, but I don’t see the Jets wanting to give up anything to move up 2 spots when they know that we & SD have little desire to use a high pick on a QB. Also if we could not get anyone to bite in our 15 minutes on the clock, I would feel a lot better about taking the best defensive player available than to enter into a high stakes poker game by taking the last of the 3 QB’s off the board, and then continuing to work for a trade. That could really backfire on us.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 15, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand and agree

I completely agree with your point that it is not a great idea to draft a QB in an effort entice a trade, no matter who it is. I was just clarifying that I didn’t think the Jets would be interested in trading with us because they wouldn’t have to, they’re simply the bait for a potential trade with teams that pick later in the round.

Let's get the Texans a better fight song.

by Jake on Feb 16, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We also owe Matty Ice and Flacco I suppose.

Maybe scouts are a little bit deeper than this, but when both rookie QBs taken in the first had pretty good seasons last year, I’ve gotta imagine a lot of teams have been duped into believing that they’re actually going to win with a rookie QB.

On the subject of taking a QB to trade though… That scares the shit out of me. This team has done a pretty good job of cutting dead weight; first Carr, then Greenwood and Green, and hopefully Weaver soon. It would suck if we had to eat a giant salary for a guy who most likely won’t ever play here.

by Nashmeister on Feb 16, 2009 8:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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