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Dunta Robinson "Betrayed" And "Disappointed"

Chris at Houston Diehards said it as well as it can be said, so I'll simply direct your attention to his post over there. Dunta on getting tagged as a franchise player:

"Tagging was out of the question according to Rick," Robinson told The Associated Press. "I was told that. I just feel betrayed. I'm disappointed that they lied to me."
"I'm still able to play football and I love my team," he said. "I love playing for the city of Houston. Something somebody does or something somebody says is not going to affect my game in a negative way."

At the end of last season, Robinson said he hoped to finish his career in Houston. Now the 26-year-old isn't sure that's the right move.

"Because of my teammates and because of this city and my family ... I really don't want to leave," he said. "But a situation like this makes it much, much harder to stay."

Questions abound. First, did Rick Smith lie to Dunta? When you consider that earlier this week John McClain was reporting that Dunta likely would not be franchised, it makes you wonder. More intriguing to me is why the team would even seriously contemplate relinquishing any of its negotiating leverage, including the one option that makes the most sense in this situation, much less telling the player that it won't use that tool. As many of you have noted, the franchise tag was created for precisely this sort of predicament. Knowing that, why would Rick Smith not use each and every weapon at his disposal? Why voluntarily handicap yourself?

Regardless of what was said, money has a strange way of curing all that ails a scorned player. If the team eventually gives Dunta Robinson the big guaranteed money he wants, this is just a blip on the radar, and all's forgiven. If that deal doesn't materialize, all we can do is hope that Dunta remains the professional he's always been. More on this story as it develops...

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I don’t like the tension. I don’t blame them for franchising him, but it makes sense and buys time. I’d have liked to have seen a long term deal made and despite the fact that everyone thinks he was asking too much, I think what he means to the fans is worth a bit of overpayment.

Now this is getting a little ugly. Dunta has gone from being a defensive “emotional leader” to feeling “betrayed” by Smith. I think his feelings are misguided, but he is entitled to them nonetheless.

If they are just franchising him to buy time for a long term deal (that happens relatively soon), I’m happy. but I’m not holding my breath. I hate seeing one of my favorite players unhappy with our organization. It feels weird.

by WhiskeyR on Feb 19, 2009 8:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nicely Said

If franchising was merely a tactic to buy them more negotiating time and Dunta gets his money, I doubt he’d harbor any hard feelings. If, however, this is Smithiak’s way of saying “Prove It” to Dunta, then bridges could become kindling.

Another thing to think about…there’s nothing that would keep the team from franchising Dunta again next year if they wanted to. If they so desired, the Texans could keep bringing him back as their franchise player. That’d get cost prohibitive pretty quickly, especially as Dunta’s skills eroded, but it’s technically possible.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 19, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree with you on the weird feelings. I’ve obviously stumped for Dunta on my site, and I’m a HUGE fan of his. I think the defense literally loses ALL of its nastiness without him.

I hate that he’s having issues with management. Dunta is a smart guy, and he knew exactly what he was doing when he said the things he said to an AP reporter. He knows better than to be misquoted, and he knows that what he said was going to be a big deal – I mean, he ACCUSED THE GM OF BEING A LIAR.

If a guy who has a rep of running off at the mouth said it, it wouldn’t really resonate as much – but Dunta knows the score. IMO – a very bad situation.

by HoustonDiehards on Feb 19, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Big Bob cures all...

I can see McNair smoothing this over with a phone call. You know he loves Dunta as much as we all do, and hates to see this happening as well, but Rick probably had to beg him to stay out of it during the past few weeks. I see Bobby calling 23 and we’ll likely not hear another peep out of him about it.
It’s business, dude, and we’ll make it right if you do.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 20, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another thought..

You’re right about franchising him next year… could you imagine the drama though?

Dunta plays with an incredible amount of heart. If he has a diminished love for the Texans organization, its going to hurt. Unless it really IS all about money – and it easily could be – it could even be what motivated his recovery.

So does his play diminish because he feels betrayed or does he make the pro bowl because he wants money?

That is a nasty thought – I feel dirty having it… I wish they’d reach a long term deal.

by WhiskeyR on Feb 19, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Long Term Deal

I still think it’ll happen. If the Texans were really at $18-19 mil guaranteed and Dunta was really at $23 mil as McClain reported earlier this week, that’s not so much of a chasm as to warrant an impasse. That’s a small enough difference that each side could give a little and get something done.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 19, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If it WAS about the $$...

Then he’s got another year to worry about it, and prepare for his payday. He’s GOT to know we’ll pay him a king’s ransom if he busts his ass and gets back to Dunta-level play.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 20, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Dunta wants top money

…it would be hard for him to get it, based on the fact that he was clearly not 100% and may never be. I doubt any other team in the league is going to offer him that kind of money.

If he gets back to his old form, the team will take care of him and it will all be forgotten. If not, he won’t be happy, and he will go somewhere else, but he won’t make the kind of money he wanted there either.

Still, I like Smith, and I hope he hasn’t done Dunta wrong.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 19, 2009 8:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And one more thing

…as much as I like Dunta, I have a hard time accepting that any athlete is complaining about making $10 million per year in this economic environment.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 19, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

Different sport, but Dunta should look at what’s happening to MLB free agents and feel pretty good about his $10 mil guarantee.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 19, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear what you're saying, along with the rest of us working class Americans

but NFL players, like all the elite aristocracy, are so far removed from reality that I can believe that Dunta has no idea that America is currently facing it’s biggest ecomomic challenge in 80 years. $10 mil is a boat load of dough to us, but it may be only slightly less than half of what he thinks he is due. As much as I love Dunta and the Texans, it’s hard to have any sympathy for him. It is ALL about the money and apparently ONLY $10 mil is making him pout. Considering that the negotiating window is still open, and they were ONLY $4 million apart, this kinda’ pisses me off. I expected more from Dunta.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 19, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's not complaining about the money

He’s complaining about the lying. He made it clear that he was very happy about the money part.

Still – he’s not handling this the right way. I totally understand his anger – and if what he’s saying is true – I support it… but this isn’t the way to handle it.

But I think the distinction needs to be made that he’s pissed about the way it was handled, not the payday.

by HoustonDiehards on Feb 19, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My gut tells me that there was a misunderstanding/miscommunication between Dunta & Rick

I do not believe that Smith made the completely unqualified statement to Dunta that he would not be franchised. I believe that is what Dunta wanted to hear. We all do that. I am sure that early in the negotiations that both parties expressed a desire to come to a mutually beneficial agreement and that franchising would not be necessary, or words to that effect. Dunta or his agent took that to mean that he would not be franchised. They would both be foolish to think that franchising was never a possibility. I can understand that Dunta is disappointed at this point. If I thought I was about to inherit $23 mil, and I had believed that nothing could stand in the way of that for a period of time, then I too would be disappointed to find out that Obama had just jacked up the estate tax and now I would ONLY be getting $10 mil. What disappoints me is that Dunta was not mature enough to contain his anger, and that is detrimental to the entire Texans organization. Like it or not, Dunta is (or at least was) our heart & soul. Guys look to him for leadership and direction. This juvenile outburst undermines that. No way can he be our main guy and walk around with a chip on his shoulder.

The reality is that the negotiating window remains open for another 5 months. This deal is not set in stone. His public outburst did not facilitate working out a multiyear deal. Seems that both he and T-Mac are lacking in common sense.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 19, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I've never

appreciated the borigness of an off-season with no news until now.

"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady

Still waiting...

"I always keep a ball in the car. You never know." - The Dream #34

by DreKeem on Feb 19, 2009 8:59 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

This is crazy....

The Texans have never had to use the tag and they have never had a current star openly upset with the team. This plus the fred weary situation and then the illegal practices, what is going on. Just a few months ago we looked like a team that had it all together, now we are starting to look cowboyish.

I don’t think there is anyway he is back next year. If someone offers up the franchise compensation for a trade, i think we would have to take it. He has a lot of influance on the other players, he is looked up to. If he is unhappy and bad mouthing the front office in the locker room, he is going to turn a lot of players against the team.

If Smith really lied to Dunta that is a really big deal. Free agents are not going to want to play for a team where they have to worry about if the GM is going to keep his promises. This is so unfortunate.

by jjmt2500 on Feb 19, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

First time post-and it's a rant

Hey Battle Red Nation, just wanted to say i love this site and even though I haven’t posted I read it everyday. This situation finally got me to come out and say something.
First off, I’d like to say Dunta used to be my favorite Texan, I’ve always had enormous respect for him especially after he cam back from shredding his knee and hamstring. That being said, I lost a lot of respect for him after reading his comments in McClain’s article.
I don’t condone lying to your star players, especially someone like Dunta. Whether Rick Smith did or did not lie is something none of us will ever really know for sure. Maybe he did say the franchise tag was not going to be used but Dunta and his agent were so unreasonable that he made a business decision to not let one of his assets walk without compensation. Maybe he said it was a last option and Dunta took it as being a non-option. Whatever, there may or may not be subtleties to the discussion that we will never fully know and be able to dissect.
Dunta wants to be paid like Kelvin Hayden and Chris Gamble because he believes he’s worth as much if not more than they are. Fine, but Dunta, you’re really not right now. You were out of the game for over a year and you never reached 100. While you were rehabbing these guys were making plays and pro bowls, and helping their teams win.
Now I’ve got a feeling (and I base this purely on John McClain, the best source any of us really has) that Rick Smith offered Dunta 20+ million guaranteed and maybe even some performance based incentives. Instead of compromising, Dunta and his agent let their pride and pockets get in the way and said no, we want as much or more than the guys who have proven it every single game. I can’t blame Smith for his decision, hell I applaud his decision from a strictly business point of view. The CBA was agreed upon by both the players union and the owners, so don’t piss and moan publicly and throw around accusations when your boss uses the options available to him to help the team.
Look, I can see Dunta’s point, and if he was truly lied to, maybe he does have something to be upset about. But you just got $10 million guaranteed for playing 6 games at 85, and you had a deal on the table that would have guaranteed you double that.
Nnamdi got tagged last year and was almost certain it would happen again this year. Instead of crying about it he made the best out of it, and now he’s got the contract that would make any NFL player salivate. Terrell Suggs has gotten it twice now, and i haven’t heard a peep out of him. He’s just gonna play his two years, take his $20 mil guaranteed, and get his long term contract next year.
You know the kind of people who publicly complain when they don’t get their way? TO, Chad Johnson, Antonio Bryant (now), and Julius Peppers. All talented, all douschebags who are gonna see their options run out and be begging for the guaranteed money the tag gives them someday soon.
Now Dunta says he might not show for training camp. The list of people who threaten that action are even bigger dousches. You don’t want to come to camp? Fine, you won’t get the practice you need and then you won’t be much good, and then you REALLY won’t get the contract you “deserve.”
Dunta messed up worse than Rick Smith did here. What he should have done is expressed some mild disappointment, reaffirmed his commitment, played harder than ever, and then he would have his choices of teams in 2010 that will pay him an even bigger contract than they would have this year. The Texans can’t tag him again next year if a new CBA isn’t reached (to my understanding) so his options are wide open.
Sorry about the length everyone, but I’ve been fuming all day

by DocTexan on Feb 19, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Coming Out Of The Woodwork With A Bang

Welcome, Doc. Your points are exceedingly solid. Especially the one about an uncapped 2010…I had completely forgotten about that. Not that it excuses Dunta’s response to the tagging, but perhaps he’s thinking that the players will be locked out next year? If so, that might help explain why he’s so petulant about the franchise tag; he feels like he needs that big guarantee now, because he won’t be getting it next year, and that’ll be a year of his prime that will go uncompensated? Just a thought…

I am growing increasingly convinced that this misunderstanding could be entirely the result of semantics. Imagine Smith told Dunta’s agent at the beginning of the process, “We have no intention of tagging your client.” That’s very different than “We will not tag your client.” Smithiak may well not have intended to tag Dunta, but they had no choice once a long-term deal wasn’t hammered out by the deadline. They had to protect the team’s interests.

As Chris noted over at Houston Diehards, Dunta needs to take a look at the situation from the team’s position. Once it became apparent that a contract would not be executed by the deadline, the team had no choice but to tag Dunta. It would have been lunacy to not tag him.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 20, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 2010 uncapped year

Teams actually get extra tags in an uncapped year. They get two transition tags and one franchise tag. There really isn’t any other player worth a tag from our free agent crop next year, so I could see them using it on Dunta again. Of course, that would mean him getting a huge pay raise, and depending on his play, he may or may not deserve it.

by Vega on Feb 20, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't DeMeco, OD and Mario up next year?

Not enough tags for everone. Scuse me if I am wrong, but I think I am not.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 20, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

Mario’s locked up through 2011

OD is a RFA right now, so hopefully we get him locked up long term. Even if we only get a one year deal though, he won’t be a UFA next year.

Under the CBA, in the event of an uncapped year, players would need 6 years of service instead of 4 to reach UFA status. Otherwise, they remain RFA. So even though OD and DeMeco are scheduled to become UFA next season, most likely, they’ll still be RFA, so no tag needed.

by Vega on Feb 21, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you for the clarification Vega

All the more reason for Dunta to want to get a multiyear deal done now. If he has an outstanding ’09 season and is then tagged again, his reaction may be seismologically significant.

by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 21, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we can only hope...

That Dunta comes to his senses and uses this betrayal as motivation to prove he is worth the money he wants… if a deal is not reached soon.

GO TEXANS!!!!

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by Texanmaniac on Feb 20, 2009 4:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Honesty

I understand what the team was doing by tagging Dunta and completely agree with it. What I dont agree with is the dishonest part that Dunta mentioned in that interview. Snakes in the grass, snakes in the grass.

If you aint Texans then F@!# You!!!!

by houstonbola on Feb 20, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Believe what you want...

but I think his agent relayed some wrong info about what Rick told him. C’mon, dude… not all is ever how it seems.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 20, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

did that even make sense?

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 20, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, It Did Not

And thus it’s clearer than ever that you do not have a diploma from The University of Texas at Austin.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 20, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

retort

What if I told you that there were, at the present time, four (4) pairs of ladies shoes crammed into my rectum? What would THAT do for my status? Honorary degree?
I mean, I know I wouldn’t qualify for Cum Laude status or anything, because those guys can fit a whole Kohl’s in their pooper, but it’s gotta count for SOMETHING.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 20, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also...

“Poking” fun at me for not being in the clique, and using “clearer” = Awe. Some.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 20, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Figured You'd Enjoy That

I’m nothing if not amusing.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 20, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Some of us got into UT

…and chose to go elsewhere.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 20, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh...

don’t sound so apologetic for it, TGC. It was obviously the right move.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 20, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more

It was my school of last resort. Thankfully, I didn’t need to resort to it.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 20, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Got Into Texas And Didn't Go?

That’s unpossible!

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 20, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Attaboy, Forrest.

Or, Vince, as it were.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 20, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I want to believe...

Dunta’s emotions are getting the best of him when he says he wouldn’t show up for training camp at this point. A full, healthy off-season is crucial for Dunta to get back to the Dunta of old. This seems especially true for a player who is, if the tag sticks, is playing for a big time contract and all the bargaining power next year. I always saw Dunta as a businessman who understands a business decision so I’m very curious about the Texans side of the story.

by Women B. Shoppin on Feb 20, 2009 12:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome To BRB, WBS

I tend to agree. Dunta’s reaction is pure emotion and short on logic. It’s in his best interest, both short-term and long-term, to attend every practice session.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 20, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I tried to post a comment to this effect

…over at Chris’s blog, but for some reason it didn’t stick.

I expect that Rick Smith will have some quiet words with Dunta and explain that this was all a misunderstanding, that he never said he would not franchise Dunta and that he wants to take care of Dunta the way Andre Johnson got taken care of. Dunta will then got the Clinton Portis/TO route and claim that he was either misquoted, taken out of context or that he talked to Smith and straightened things out. Or he will shut up and not spout his mouth off to the press again.

Dunta plays on emotion, and I see this outburst as a function of that same mindset. Dunta has to know that he can’t with a straight face command top corner money coming off of the injury he’s had. But he’s also got to know that Smith will make a good faith effort to take care of him.

If Dunta doesn’t attempt to walk this back in the next few weeks, I will be highly surprised indeed.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 20, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It stuck. I’m having server issues. This is the folly of self-hosting, self-designing, and self-everythinging a blog. Sigh.

by HoustonDiehards on Feb 20, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Thanks for making me type everything twice, man.

Seriously though, my work servers are… special, and I probably shouldn’t post from work anyway, so I assumed the problem was not at your end.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 20, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said in the last post...not the greatest idea

I said he’d probably sulk all through preseason and only play the 17 games. He alluded to that in the Chronicle today. He’s already thinking about the year after next. There went your emotional leader.

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Feb 20, 2009 12:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I just don't buy that Dunta will sulk for an entire season

It goes against everything that he’s ever stood for on the field. Don’t see it.

Like I said just up there ^, Dunta will get over this. If Smith has any sense at all, he’ll talk to Dunta about this face to face and Dunta (or his agent) will issue some kind of statement backing off from the previous one.

A little bit of an emotional outburst, is what I say. I believe this will be old news come training camp.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 20, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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