Rick Smith Begins To Spin About Alleged Lie To Dunta Robinson
I asked yesterday whether Rick Smith lied to Dunta Robinson about using the franchise tag. Dunta certainly said he was deceived. Rick Smith has now addressed his alleged deceit. Sort of:
"The first thing you have to understand is a negotiation is a dynamic, thorough process," Smith said. "We had a conversation very early in the negotiation process where I indicated I didn't want to use the franchise tag on Dunta. I was clear about that because of the negative feelings around the tag.
"My approach was we were going to do everything we can do to get a deal done because we don't want to use it. But things change in a negotiation. That was our initial position for him with respect to value in a contract. And we changed on that. We offered him a deal that exceeded that.
"This whole time, up until yesterday at 4 (EDT), the franchise tag is always in play. And so when they elected to exercise their right in declining our offer to make him one of the highest-paid corners in football, we exercised out (sic) option to tag him. It's part of the deal."
I've read that excerpt at least six (6) times, and I still don't know whether I can definitively say that Rick Smith lied to Dunta. Saying "we'll do everything we can to get a deal done because we don't want to use it" isn't exactly "we're not going to slap you with the franchise tag." In that respect, I guess Smith didn't lie. Then again, reading Smith's account, I can certainly see how Dunta would feel misled. Indeed, Smith admits the team "changed" positions, which can be interpreted as a tacit admission of misrepresentation, I suppose.
Oddly enough, this additional perspective doesn't really provide a definitive answer. I'm now more sympathetic to Dunta, but Smith's account does not make me think that the Texans were somehow out of line in franchising Dunta Robinson. Where do you come down on the issue?
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Based on the info over at HDH
I’m on Rick Smith’s side, at least until new information comes to light.
For anyone who doesn’t read Chris’s site, www.houstondiehards.com, apparently Pancakes McClain said on 610 that Dunta refused a contract with 23 Million guaranteed.
I’m not sure how McClain knows this, but if it’s true, then Dunta has absolutely no one to blame but himself.
If Dunta had never been injured, and played the second half of 2007 and all of 2008 like we remember him playing the first half of 2007, then 23 Million guaranteed would be on the low side of reasonable. But he was injured, and his comeback was amazing, but he did not prove that he was worth anywhere near 23 Million.
Basically, Rick Smith offered to pay Dunta more than he is realistically worth, and Dunta not only rejected the offer, but he then went to the media to complain about getting the Franchise Tag.
by Tailgate Andy on Feb 20, 2009 5:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That last paragraph nails it.
If this is all true, Dunta will have lost a ton of built up goodwill with the fans.
by ~Buck on Feb 20, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Including myself - a HUGE backer of his.
I’m shocked by this. I knew he wanted top corner money, but now it sounds like he wanted ELITE corner money. : |
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by HoustonDiehards on Feb 20, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for players being confident
but I think that is overdoing it a bit.
by ~Buck on Feb 20, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If McClain is right
about the amount of money offered to Dunta, then that tells me that he does not want to be in Houston. He said all along he was looking for 23 guaranteed.
by jjmt2500 on Feb 20, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would like to know..
What “one of the highest-paid corners in football” means – Top 5? Top 10?
I wish we knew the actual details. From the sounds of it, Dunta has been rather unreasonable. I’d wager that what they were offering was likely to be more than fair.
by WhiskeyR on Feb 20, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just read the comments...
If they offered him 23 and he didn’t take it then wtf is his problem?
by WhiskeyR on Feb 20, 2009 6:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who didn't see this response coming a mile away?
After I thought about it a while I came to the conclusion we’d likely hear something like this and it makes perfect sense.
Of couse they said they weren’[t going to franchise him, they just forgot to mention the part about it being contingent on him accepting their offer. Sounds to me like greed on Dunte’s part. More than likely he wanted to see how much he was worth to other teams before accepting the Texans offer.
Hey Dunte, wake up and smell the coffee. The franchise tag is there to protect teams from such things…
by Semaj on Feb 20, 2009 9:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm generally on Smith's side
But I would never discount the possibility that the team is using its mouthpiece (that would be Pancakes) to make Dunta look like the bad guy here. Look at opinion on this blog: most people were surprised and somewhat sympathetic when Dunta opened his mouth. Now all of a sudden people are surprised and somewhat not-so-sympathetic because a known mouthpiece has reported that the Texans offered him $23 million.
Who leaked that? What could their possible motivation be? The only motivation would be to keep the moral highground and make Dunta look greedy.
This may sound contrary to other comments I’ve left below, but it reinforces my point. I still fully expect these guys to sit down and hash it out and Dunta will issue some statement about how he was misquoted or misinterpreted or find some other way to walk his statement back.
This may be unfamiliar territory for Texans fans, but this kind of shit happens all the time in the NFL. Does anyone remember Sean Jones from the Oilers? He used to retire right before training camp so that he could maximize his negotiating leverage with the front office. All of this tends to be forgotten once the contract is signed.
Dunta may stay or he may leave, but he’s gotta know that he’ll never get an offer that good from any other team. Which means that he’s pretty much shot himself in the foot by going public. He really should have thought about this a little more.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 20, 2009 10:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
its not personal, its just business
goes both ways.
When the GM is negotiating a contract which the player turns down, I don’t care what he promised before or during the negotiations. The player has made a statement (within his rights) by turning the offer down, and the GM has the right to protect the interests of his team.
Sorry you got such a huge payraise, Dunta. Prove you are worth the paycheck you were askin for in 2009 and then we’ll talk.
I wouldn’t even negotiate with him again until the end of the season.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Feb 20, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think if Dunta turned down anything close to what is being reported he's a fool
I tend to believe the $23 million figure because Smith knows if that is not accurate then eventually he will be made to look like an ass, a la A Rod, Clemens, et al. In time the truth will come out and Smith is too smart to blatantly lie about the negotiations just to justify the F tag and win the short term PR battle. This is bigger than just Dunta. Smith’s credibility impacts the entire organization. What player wants to run through walls for a lying backstabbing asshole of a GM? Noone. The reputation of a teams management is an important factor in not only retaining its stars, but in attracting talent from other teams. Smithiak are building a good thing here, and leaking misinformation to the press would just undermine much of what they have accomplished to date. Dunta will realize in time that he made a mistake. For the Texans’ sake, I hope that comes sonner than later. The best thing he can do is apologize for his childish behavior, continue to negotiate, and come to his senses and accept the more than fair offer the Texans made.
I’m not gonna’ say something egotistically self serving like I told you so, but having no inside information whatsoever, I think my comment in yesterdays thread was spot on:
I stated:
I do not believe that Smith made the completely unqualified statement to Dunta that he would not be franchised. I believe that is what Dunta wanted to hear. We all do that. I am sure that early in the negotiations that both parties expressed a desire to come to a mutually beneficial agreement and that franchising would not be necessary, or words to that effect. Dunta or his agent took that to mean that he would not be franchised. They would both be foolish to think that franchising was never a possibility.
Dunta has to know that if the Texans overpay for him, then that is detrimental to the progress of the team. If he insists in placing his needs above the team, then I am praying for the extremely unlikely event that some moron will make him an offer and we can snag two #1’s. Dunta just went from a guy that could have been the face of the franchise to just another me first jerk like TO. What a disappointment.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 20, 2009 11:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely correct...
The toot of your horn sounds even better the second time!
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Feb 21, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunta's Point of View
While I think it’s absurd that Dunta allegedly turned down $23 mil guaranteed, let’s not forget that Scrabble just signed the richest deal for a DB in league history and Kelvin Hayden just got $22 mil guaranteed from the Colts. I could absolutely see Dunta looking at those two deals and figuring that he should come down somewhere close to in between, even with the injury. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but I could see that rationale.
Additionally, I don’t think we should ignore the fact that Dunta’s injury likely impressed upon him the reality that NFL careers are gone in a snap and that a player’s only as secure as his guaranteed money. This ain’t the NBA. This ain’t MLB. Here today, cut tomorrow.
I’m not trying to excuse the fallacy of Dunta allegedly turning down the amount of guaranteed dough he allegedly set out to make. But I do think we should at least attempt to take other very real factors into account.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 20, 2009 11:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Scrabble gets $28.5 mil guaranteed, Hayden gets $22 mil guaranteed
Midpoint is $25.25 mil. Dunta turns down 23, leaving 13+ mil on the table. Absurd is exactly right. Dunta of all people is aware of how fragile NFL careers are, and he leaves all that money on the table? He hasn’t yet fully recovered from an injury so horrific, that he is fortunate to still be playing. I’m dumbfounded by his decision. He has yet to show that he is an elite CB yet he expects the Texans to pay him like one, while he is recovering from an injury. Truth is stranger than fiction. I am squarely on the side of Smithiak here. Dunta’s position is as indefensible as Larry Fitzgerald was in the NFC playoff games.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 20, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Guarantees
I’m not saying that Smithiak is out of line. Dunta, or more to the point, his agent, might simply believe he can squeeze another couple mil out of Houston. Admittedly, going to the press with allegations of deceit by the GM doesn’t strike me as the best way to maximize one’s value.
Prediction: Dunta gets $24.5 guaranteed. From Houston. Both sides have to realize that they’re not in a realistic position to better deal the other. No team is giving up two first rounders for Dunta. The Texans can’t let him walk without receiving something in return. And no team is going to pay Dunta $23 mil guaranteed. The music’s going to stop soon, and Dunta’s going to have to sit on Rick Smith’s lap to stay in the game.
Unless the Texans play REAL hard ball and make Dunta play out ‘09 under the franchise tag. That’d be a quality demonstration of balls.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 21, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about this
the more it seems that Dunta and his agent thought that the Texans would come back with a better offer and got caught with their pants down with the franchise tag. Did they just not expect the team to maintain the leverage? What else was Smith supposed to do? He’s not gonna let him hit the open market….although maybe he should have so Dunta et al could get a good look at what people WEREN’T going to pony up for his services.
by ~Buck on Feb 21, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that there is little chance that another team would offer Dunta $23 mil guaranteed
not only because it is very questionable as to whether that would be a wise investment, but factor in the two #1’s and even the brilliant Matt Millen would recognize that as a stinker.
So why the heck should we pay an extra $1.5 mil? To ease his hurt feelings? I don’t think so. Dunta screwed up by embarassing himself and the organization by airing his dirty laundry. The exact details of what was said, and in what order, may never fully be revealed to the public, but Smith’s position rings true to me. If it sounds true, then likely it is true. They made a fair offer to Dunta. Offer turned down. Against their better judgement Smithiak ups their offer because they realize how valuable Dunta’s intangibles are. Even the casual fan recognizes that. When that offer was turned down, the only card left was played. Tag you’re it. Dunta could have retained all of his cred by saying nothing. He blew it, plain and simple. Repairable? Possibly. Restore Dunta to the leadership position he once held. Possible, but not likely. That is the tragedy here.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 21, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Compromise
If in fact he turned down $23 mil guaranteed, I think an extra mil or so would be a sort of olive branch, assuming the team is interested in offering one. The message to Dunta would be “We value you. We think you deserve more than Hayden, but not as much as Nnamdi. We’ve adjusted our offer to account for recent developments in the market.”
Do I think Dunta’s play on the field last season merits that extra money? Nope. But if the Texans value what he brings inside the locker room, it might be worth paying.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 21, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I see the Texans organization as the more injured party at this point
and that Dunta should be the one extending the olive branch. Smith tried to keep this private and professional. Dunta, or his agent, decided to air it. I disagree so much with that move that I think Dunta should now do the right thing. Take the $23 mil. That figure is not unfair. To want even more is just not right for a player, a team leader no less, that wants the Texans to be in the playoffs this year. This is just not leadership behavior from him, and for me that is the most disappointing aspect of the whole deal.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 21, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So pissed...
Nnamdi’s ridiculous deal hit the presses after the news of Dunta’s franchising, so I can’t see that being a factor in the negotiations. Every front office person in the NFL is incredibly pissed about this deal because it resets the bar for elite corners, so even in the unlikely even that Dunta’s agent knew about this deal there is absolutely no way that his agent could have taken this into consideration in good conscience.
If McClain is right about the offer, then I am so incredibly pissed at Dunta and his agent that i want to throw my laptop across the room. Dunta DID NOT deserve that kind of money, but if Rick Smith offered it and then it was refused, well, let’s just say that Dunta is in the same league as TO in my book.
Throughout all of this I have become a bigger supporter of Rick Smith. The guy took the high road in this situation and (allegedly) offered the player a contract that he did not earn based on performance. For all the crap that this guy gets with dickhead writers like dickie justice, he’s helped make this organization incredibly classy. They take care of their own who bleed for their team. Wait until Demeco, OD, and especially Kevin Walter get their offers, they will be more than fair because Rick Smith is a classy man that I would want to bleed for if I was blessed enough to be in that locker room.
I’m inclined to blame Dunta’s agent more than Dunta himself for this situation, but it doesn’t excuse him completely. Dunta, get your head out of your ass and sign a long term deal with this team. If you keep this up no one is gonna want you around this up and coming organization in 2010….
by DocTexan on Feb 21, 2009 12:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you completely
Throughout all of this, franchising Dunta made more sense than any other move if you’re looking at it from the Texans’ perspective. The $23 million guaranteed (if that’s the real number) was certainly more than he deserved, but for a team trying to reward its own players and build through the draft, it wasn’t ludicrous. And in a way, that long-term security was a reward to Dunta for playing his heart out despite being surrounded by scrubs.
But if he really turned that money down, then he’s either not interested in playing for the Texans, or he’s all about the money. Either way, all goodwill is out the door and Rick Smith had to do what was best for the franchise, even if he ruffled some feathers. You can’t just let a former 1st-round draft pick walk without any compensation; especially in a year when your team is on the verge of its first playoff appearance in franchise history and desperately thin at said position.
Next year will be interesting though. Depending on who else gets their contracts extended this year, I think I’d have Dunta as the last thing on my mind next off-season. Hammer out deals with DeMeco, OD, Slaton, and K-Dub first, then if Dunta is willing to negotiate, make it happen. Maybe Bennett, Molden, and Reeves will give us some leverage too.
by Nashmeister on Feb 21, 2009 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With you 100% Doc
Dunta needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. If he thinks his needs outweigh those of the Texans, then he needs to travel north on I45 until he sees that new billion dollar palace. That is where he belongs. He would fit right in with that bunch.
Wake up Dunta. Get a second opinion. Talk to one your teammate’s agent. You will realize that you just walked away from the best deal you were going to get. It’s not too late to try to right this thing.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 21, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Class
is a word used quite often by our organization to describe most of our players. Shit I even use it in arguments I get into when I’m defending my beloved Texans. This unclassy move that Dunta committed damn near broke my heart, out of all the Texans players, past and present, I always applauded the fact that he let his performance do the talking instead of running his damn mouth to the media like some unclassy cowgirl.
Deceiption?? If I am remembering correctly Dunta was asking for 22-25 Mil in guarantees, if Smithiaks statements are true, then he was offered the money he was looking for. So if Dunta declined that offer, after stating that was the amount he was looking for, wasnt he misleading the fans and the organization? Smith said they exceeded the value they had marked on him. Chris Gamble got 23M, Hayden got 22.5, I know Namdi probably got more but he is an elite corner so much so that teams dont even throw to his side of the field. If Dunta thinks he deserves that kind of money, then, and it kills me to say this, I really hope that someone offers us the 2 1st rounders for him. Love the guy but he is not a shutdown corner, I dont know if he ever will be.
Training Camp?? How in the hell is he gonna make a statement about not being at training camp? First of all he is not good enough to not go to training camp and come into the season performing like a top corner. When I first saw this story break I had sympathy for Dunta but he refused the offer of 23M guaranteed, which in my opinion exceeds his worth and then got mad cause he got tagged, Thats business Dunta suck it up, act like a damn proffesional and do your job, hell work on becoming that shutdown corner that you want to get paid like. Totally 100% on Smithiaks side on this one.
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by houstonbola on Feb 21, 2009 10:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is not bad for us
if he’s back to pre-injury form in 2009 and becomes a shut down corner, we can lock him up during the year for whatever it takes, and we get to use the extra $13 mil. on free agency this season.
If he pouts and becomes a paycheck player, or doesn’t return to pre-injury form, we have a decent nickel back that can be let go after this season.
The tag was necessary, and, hardball or not by Smith, it seems Dunta painted Smith into a corner and brought it on himself.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Feb 22, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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