BREAKING NEWS: Sage Rosenfels-To-Vikings Trade Possible Again
by Jake on Feb 23, 2009 1:08 PM CST
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The Texans and the Vikings are reportedly close to finalizing a trade that will send backup QB Sage Rosenfels to Minnesota in exchange for a draft pick of unknown value, possibly in the 4th round. Rumors swirled last year of a trade involing the two teams for Rosenfels, but the deal supposedly fell through after the Texans wanted no less than a 2nd round pick, and the Vikings would give no more than a 3rd rounder.
First of all, this takes away one of the teams I evnvisioned in the "trade down with a team that needs a QB theory". Oh, well. If the theory gets shot and we don't get a 3rd rounder out of the deal, at least we'll get a 4th.
But that brings me to the question, "Are the Texans really getting a great deal here?" Yes, I know he had the single worst Texans' play of the season, and yes it's safe to say we should have traded him last year to get a third rounder based on the way he played. Keep in mind though that Schaub hasn't been the most durable QB in the league. So is it a good idea to get rid of a backup QB who has shown both competency and dreadfulness?
In my opinion the answer is YES. I would rather sign a decent free agent backup floating around and take our chances than have to watch Sage turn the ball over one more time. It wasn't just that he turned the ball over. It was that he did it at the worst possible times. And as the Chronicle article pointed out, don't forget who Kubiak has produced in the fourth round--Owen Daniels, Fred Bennett and Xavier Adibi. I definitely approve, but what say you BRB?
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We need to look at one of those draft value charts
And see what value a fourth rounder adds. For instance, could we trade down and get a lower 1st and 3rd round pick for our 1st and 4th?
In other words, I see this as a chit to throw into a potential draft day deal to enhance our drafting position.
If not, hopefully we’ll find the next Steve Slaton out there.
Also, fuck Jared Allen.
Either way, I’m all for it.
In hindsight, it’s a shame we couldn’t do this last year.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 23, 2009 1:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do It. NOW!
The fact that Smithiak hasn’t immediately sent the papers to the league office is ridiculous. I am shocked that any team would consider giving up a fourth rounder for Sage after the huge hit his reputation took last season. Take it and don’t think twice.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 23, 2009 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Ramsey?
I believe he’s an available FA, who has not only multiple years in our Denver offense, but also starting experience. Gimme that 4th rounder.
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by beefy on Feb 23, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And Let's Not Forget
We could lose our fourth-rounder for those alleged illegal contact drills. This would nullify that penalty, if the league in fact decides to hand it out.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 23, 2009 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good point
GO TEXANS!!!!
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by Texanmaniac on Feb 23, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unprecedented
The only way I see this happening is if Goodell wants to make an example out of us, to the rest of the teams, which is quite possible, but unlikely. Fingers crossed.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Feb 23, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only way that happens
Is if we were repeat offenders. I think all they can do for the first infraction is take OTA time.
Let's get the Texans a better fight song.
by Jake on Feb 23, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sage...
just kept finding ways to piss me off, so I say take the 4th rounder and run. There has got to be a Free agent that they can sign, certainly shouldn’t get any worse.
GO TEXANS!!!!
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by Texanmaniac on Feb 23, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aw, man!
We don’t play the Vikes next season.
Just kidding, you guys… :D Well, sort of.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 23, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well Played
I do hope that the Colts did the right thing and gave Sage a playoff share. He earned it as much as anyone.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 23, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldv'e..
loved for the colts to have faced Schaub, this past season.
GO TEXANS!!!!
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by Texanmaniac on Feb 23, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pull the trigger
He’s entering the last year of his contract, so he’s 100% gone after this year anyways. Let’s grab the extra lottery ticket while we can.
Only thing I will say is past performance is not indicative of future performance regarding 4th round selections. Sure, they made some good picks recently in the 4th that have panned out; that doesn’t mean they won’t draft a total dud in the 4th this year. But like I said, two chances at finding a contributor in the 4th are better than one.
by Barrett on Feb 23, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This could be bad news for Sage's next contract
For starters, of course we take the trade, and quick, before they change their mind.
I think in Kubiak’s system, I could be a rather productive QB. I would audible to a fade to AJ on every play. If they put 7 guys over in the corner I’m throwing the fade, I’ll hand it to Slaton on a sweep the other way. Its not rocket science.
I think whomever is plugged in at #2 will pick up the ‘complexities’ of our system rather quickly, and be a servicable #2. I think there are bad options out there, and any warm body won’t suffice. But a decent dude with a decent brain/decent arm would keep our offense in the top 10-15 in the league if Schaub is hurt.
Then if he does well, as Sage did in most of his fill-in time during the past 2 years, doesn’t that de-value Schaub? I think if healthy Matt is a pro-bowler in 2009, don’t get me wrong. But I think the system benefits him as well.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Feb 23, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sorry, the title should be Schaub's next contract...
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Feb 23, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Won't work
Owen Daniels will get mad that you’re not throwing the ball his way enough, and him and Kevin Walter will duct tape you to a goal post after practice.
This qb thing is harder than it looks.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 23, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I approve...
For many reasons, but specifically so I don’t have to hear a bunch of dumbshits yelling “WE want Sage!” at any more of our games. I have confidence in the Schaub. Especially after last year’s Miami game.
by WhiskeyR on Feb 23, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also..
I would be willing to trade him simply for a kegerator with a Texans logo on it. So a 4th round pick would be nice.
by WhiskeyR on Feb 23, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
Let's get the Texans a better fight song.
by Jake on Feb 23, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd Again
And I wouldn’t even demand the kegerator have the Texans logo. I’m a motivated seller.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 23, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can always stencil a Texans logo on there.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 23, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
watched the dvr replay of...
the Miami game, that last drive was simply amazing, between Andre and Schaub just awesome.
GO TEXANS!!!!
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by Texanmaniac on Feb 23, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That drive was the opposite of the rosencopter.
by WhiskeyR on Feb 23, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which is why..
I give my stamp of approval for sage’s departure.
GO TEXANS!!!!
www.houstonsportsrule.blogspot.com
by Texanmaniac on Feb 23, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was the one game I didn't get to see all year
I was on the road, driving back from a wedding. Thank God for Sirius Radio.
Let's get the Texans a better fight song.
by Jake on Feb 23, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was gone as well
the dvr helped me through the season, now it helps me through the offseason.
GO TEXANS!!!!
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by Texanmaniac on Feb 23, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to see the drive again
…and why wouldn’t you, you can see it here.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 23, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Drive
in greenbay was impressive as well.
GO TEXANS!!!!
www.houstonsportsrule.blogspot.com
by Texanmaniac on Feb 23, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean
this one?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 23, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alrigh dude, stop
I feel like a teenage girl who just watched a chick-flick marathon while eating chocolate the entire time. You’re killing me.
Let's get the Texans a better fight song.
by Jake on Feb 23, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks tGC
That just brought tears to my eyes.
How can anyone think that Andre is not the best WR in the league with that catch? It’s beyond me.
Let's get the Texans a better fight song.
by Jake on Feb 23, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
completly agree...
I actually watched that entire game this morning, yes I know a pathetic existence, but I’m on my only day off and my wife had me doing laundry. Anyway, when AJ made that catch, I thought to my self " Not one other WR in the NFL could have made that catch and yes a tear came to my eye.
GO TEXANS!!!!
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by Texanmaniac on Feb 23, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not even fitzgerald?
after what he did this postseason, i have him and andre 1A and 1B
by fiddycent on Feb 23, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No...
I’ve not seen Larry make a catch like that….he’s good, but he ain’t #80!
GO TEXANS!!!!
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by Texanmaniac on Feb 23, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and it was on 4th down with 30 seconds left in the game
on an 0-4 team, where if he doesn’t make the catch, we’re 0-5.
Catch of his career, and our catch of the year.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Feb 24, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks TGC, just relived that magical moment
Ridiculous catch by Dre’. He was doubled so tightly that Schaub doesn’t even throw that pass had it not been 4th down. Drive of the year. The GB 99 yard drive was clutch, but that game was tied. We HAD to have a TD to win this one. Brown gets smoked by Porter TWICE. Near fumble, reversed INT, 4th and 10 conversion… what freakin’ drama. I remember I was thinking at the time, no way are we going to win this one. Career games by Schaub and Dre’ both. We need home games against Miami every year. The ’07 game vs Miami was a roller coaster too.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 23, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes yes do it!
Rosencopter was an OK backup, but he’s too similar to Schaub. We need more athleticism behind him. I would draft Pat White from WVU with one of our low round picks and get him back together with Slaton.
by goingforthecorner on Feb 23, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
AND more cowbell
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 24, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
Love the cowbell!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 24, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bashing Sage is easy. The last 5 minutes of Indy game alone last year was enough
to make everyone forget that the year before he had played for the most part quite well as texanphil noted. Also tehGrindCrusher makes a good point that good QB play is not an automatic. We are not guaranteed to have a better backup if we trade Sage. That being said, I think we should make the deal because (as Barrett noted) he is gone after this year, so we may as well get a 4th round pick as compensation. The risk is worth the reward.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 23, 2009 3:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well said
GO TEXANS!!!!
www.houstonsportsrule.blogspot.com
by Texanmaniac on Feb 23, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows.
Maybe we can finagle a deal for the Titans backup?
LOLOLOLOL
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 23, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to admit that I was a Vince guy when we shocked the world with the Mario pick
Lucky for Texans nation that Smithiak (I can’t believe Casserly had anything to do with that decision) is a lot smarter than me. But seriously you bring up a critical part to this whole deal. Who do we expect to be #2 next year? Do we really think Schaub will make 16 starts next year? I really hope so, but all available data would suggest otherwise. So what FA QB is the guy that Smithiak is contemplating to back up Schaub?
From profootballcentral.com (I hope this is accurate):
The following is a list of the top 2009 NFL free agents.
Quarterback:
Patrick Ramsey, UFA, Denver Broncos
Kerry Collins, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Charlie Batch, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Boller, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
Byron Leftwich, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
J.P. Losman, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Kurt Warner, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Jeff Garcia, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Charlie Frye UFA Seattle Seahawks
Brooks Bollinger UFA Dallas Cowboys
Chris Simms UFA Tennessee Titans
J.T. O’Sullivan UFA San Francisco 49ers
Matt Gutierrez UFA New England Patriots
Gibran Hamdan UFA Buffalo Bills
Luke McCown UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brock Berlin RFA St Louis Rams
Shane Boyd RFA Houston Texans
Who on that list is:
1) Realistically available at a resonable cap figure, and
2) Someone we would want for our backup.
I don’t know. beefy threw out Ramsey’s name. I hear Warner has been offered $10 mil, but wants $15 mil. No can do. Garcia is the only other guy I see that I think is halfway decent. I am sure that Smithiak already has thought this through. Who do you think we have targeted?
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 23, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jake the snake?
possible comeback for plummer???
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 23, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did not play in '07 or '08, but is only 34 years old and has a history with Kubes
intriguing suggestion. I would think Kubiak would have as good a chance of enticing him out of retirement as anyone. Definitely worth a phone call.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 23, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
thats what i was thinking, though im sure if plummer who says he loves retirement were to think about coming back, hed prolly want to start…thats just my 2 cents, tho if he didnt mind not starting, id say HOU would have a great chance of getting him bcz of all the ties hes got!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 24, 2009 7:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The names that pop off the list
For me it’s Chirs SImms, Patrick Ramsey and J.P. Losman. All have shown flashes before, have starting NFL experience, and could bennefit from the tutalage they would recieve here from the offensive coaching staff. Simms was a Longhorn and plyed well at Tampa before his spleen exploded, Ramsey came from a similar offense and Losman is boom or bust but I don’t think he ever got a chance to learn in Buffalo. All would be willing to be backups, especially for a starting QB with durability issues.
Let's get the Texans a better fight song.
by Jake on Feb 23, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beefy?
What do you think about Chris Simms?
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 23, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
simms...
I’ve got no problem with him.
I mean, I’m not a homophobe or anything.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Feb 23, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, though...
I wouldn’t mind Chrissy at all. Good fit.
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by beefy on Feb 23, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Simms
I wonder if he’d even consider setting foot in Texas again. I have to think his time in the Lone Star State may have permanently scarred him.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 23, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
He wasn’t all that great at your beloved school, but I always thought he’d end up being a much better pro, and I was right until he lost his spleen to the Aids.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Feb 23, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Loved Simms At Texas
But I was in a tiny minority. I’m with you; I thought he’d be a very good pro. I think he would’ve been, too, if not for nearly bleeding to death on the field and/or being subject to Jon Gruden’s lunacy.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 23, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a diehard UT fan, and Chris Simms' big game performances
were never good. OU games, Big 12 championship games, etc. Some guys thrive on the big stage, and some guys don’t. So many bad memories of him, I do not want to see the Texans sign him. I would take Losman, Ramsey, Garcia or even Plummer over Simms.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 23, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
Those pesky OU and Big XII Championship games did nothing to enhance his big-game persona. Especially that game in ’01 against Colorado, when it sure looked like he pulled himself out of the game after a horrific start.
The dude was an Aggy killer, though. I think he threw for something like 2,769 yards in games against them alone.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 24, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was 8 years ago
Is it possible he’s matured a little since then?
In any event, if you are looking for big game performance out of a backup, well, you’re going to be looking for a long time, because quarterbacks who play well in big games tend to become starters.
We’re looking for a backup.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 24, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those were the three guys
…that jumped out at me as well.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 24, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and we pull him from the Titans
which leaves them with Vodka and well, nobody else worth talking about.
I think Collins sucks, so I say we take away their best #2 and get us a servicable one.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Feb 24, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
id approve the deal…im just wondering if they can get a 3rd back…or try to get a 4th and maybe some depth in position of needs
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 23, 2009 4:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For my shortest post ever...
Nike.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Feb 23, 2009 5:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shortest
…including the subject line?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 24, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have shamed me, sir.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Feb 24, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You gotta think
Kubiak knows Schaub hasn’t finished a season
and
Sage was one of the better backups in the league the last two years (except for one 5 min period)
So if they make the deal, they HAVE to already have someone in mind, right? They can’t say last year we went with 3 QB’s and this year we’ll go with Schaub and some 4th round pick rookie QB in the season where we need to make the playoffs. I think they have several choices in mind and are confident in a few of them.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Feb 24, 2009 8:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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