Why Does Everyone Hate Malcolm Jenkins?
Today I was busy with this thing called “work," so it was the only day of Combine coverage that I didn’t get to watch. When I got a break I went outside and checked the progress of the last day of the Combine, which was the day for DBs. When I started looking up Combine news on my phone, I was overjoyed. I felt like doing a dance because there was a realistic chance my man-crush could be there when we pick in the first round. I was so excited that as soon as I got back home I logged onto BRB to share my joy, and was immediately deflated. It seems like everyone hates Malcolm Jenkins.
Before I get too ahead of myself, let me fill everyone in. Today at the Combine, Jenkins ran a pedestrian 4.60 in the 40 yard dash (4.52 and 4.58 unofficially). Meanwhile, Vontae Davis of the University of Illinois ran a 4.49 (4.39 unofficially). Davis has been considered the number two CB in the draft, but now some are considering him the number one CB in the draft after Jenkins' poor performance. Also, many are speculating that Jenkins will be converted to FS by whatever team decides to draft him. This coincidentally has pushed down his draft stock from a top 10 pick to a mid first round draft projection. Where do we draft again? Oh yeah, 15th.
The talk of moving Jenkins to FS didn’t start today. Mike Mayock has been saying it for a couple of months now, which is where I got the idea. As many of you know, I have a rather sizable man-crush on Jenkins, so much so that a couple of weeks ago I started talking crazy about trading UP to get him. I was only talking about trading up two spots, and I mainly brought it up to incite discussion because I knew Smithiak wouldn’t do this, but I eventually came to the conclusion, mainly with the help of a very compelling argument by Matt at DGDB&D, that this was not a good idea and came to grips with the fact I wouldn’t be seeing Jenkins in Steel Blue next year. Then the events of today rekindled my hope.
I’ve read all the arguments against drafting Jenkins at 15 that most of you have posted, and I have to admit that a good majority are persuasive. As I seem to be carrying the torch for the drafting-Jenkins-to-play-FS idea, I feel obliged to state my case, as well as the counterarguments for the reasons not to draft him.
First I will start with the points for not drafting him, coupled with my counterpoints. I took the liberty of paraphrasing some of the arguments against; please let me know if you feel I have misrepresented any of them.
Argument: Drafting someone in the first round for the specific purpose of changing his position is ludicrous. Switching a player’s position is something you do with a mid-round prospect as a project, but not with a first round pick who you expect to make an immediate impact.
Counterargument: There will be countless DEs selected for the specific purpose of conversion to OLB. Matt conceded this point and stated that this conversion is not as difficult as the CB to FS conversion. As OLBs, the former DEs will have similar duties of pass rushing and run stuffing with the only difference being that they will occasionally have to cover TEs and RBs. While this may not be a huge change, some will not be able to accomplish this feat but this is not why I bring it up. Few to none of these DEs covered anyone in college (because Richard Smith didn’t coach them) and therefore they will have to learn this skill before the start of the 2009 season in order to get on the field and make an immediate contribution as a first round pick should. Scouts, coaches and general managers take this into account and make sure that they feel the player is capable of doing this before they draft him. If Kubiak and Smith decide to draft Jenkins to play FS, they would make sure they felt comfortable with his ability to learn FS sufficiently to play in 2009. Which leads me into the next phase of the debate…
Argument: The transition from CB to FS is too difficult for a player with no experience playing the position, especially when that player also has no experience in the NFL.
Counterargument: Jenkins played for four years in the secondary of one of the best college programs in the country. Jenkins had 3 forced fumbles and 11 interceptions for his career, which is somewhat misleading because teams hardly ever threw to his side of the field in his senior year. But that’s not the best part: Jenkins intermittently played at FS in college to maximize his big play ability. If you doubt that, it says so right on his Combine bio page. The kid already has FS experience, so teaching him to play the position full time isn’t going to be as hard as it seems.
Argument: Drafting a FS doesn’t help our pass rush, which should be priority number one.
Counterargument: At first glance, you got me. FSs don’t blitz very much, if at all. What’s the alternative though? Brian Orakpo and Everette Brown will likely be gone, so that leaves Michael Johnson, Brian Cushing and maybe Clay Matthews, Jr. left. Michael Johnson is a physical beast and could be a great talent in the league, but he is far from a sure thing and could be a bust. I like him and wouldn’t mind if the Texans drafted him, but a spade is a spade and he provides no guarantee that our pass rush will improve. I don’t like Cushing in general, but I really don’t think that he would drastically improve our pass rush at all. Matthews is better than Cushing in my opinion, but 15 is too early to take him, so we would have to trade down, but even then I’m not sure he would get to rush the passer on a consistent basis. Meanwhile, Kruger and Ayers will be sitting there in the second round. I would personally rather have Ayers than any of the three I listed above, and I think he could end up being a steal with that 14th pick in the second round. Also, remember what the draft buzz was a couple of months ago? We were all up in arms about FS Taylor Mays of USC before he decided to go back to school. So we were ready to bless o the selection of a three year player who had good tackling totals and only 4 career interceptions, but we won’t do the same for a Jim Thorpe Award winner?
Argument: Jenkins’ poor drills at the Combine showed he’s not an athlete worth selecting at 15th overall.
Counterargument: Jenkins did run a slow 40, but he was tops among DBs in the 3 cone drill. What does this matter? The three cone drill tests a player’s ability to change direction and cut, skills a good ball hawking FS would need. Furthermore, Jenkins has shown with consistency that he can get it done on the field. He may not be track fast as the Combine showed us, but if you watched him play you can see he’s football fast. Also, he’s versatile. While it may be true that Jenkins isn’t fast enough to cover every number one WR in the league, he can cover a number two that’s giving us problems. If we re-signed Eugene Wilson, he and Jenkins could rotate. What I’m getting at is that he has shown the skills to play wherever we need him to play, outside of the number one CB position, but that’s why we tagged Dunta, right?
Argument: F Ohio State.
Counterargument: None. Point conceded.
In closing, I realize that this strategy is not air-tight, but I feel much better about it than any of the other first round pick scenarios. Who knows, Jenkins may not even make it to us at 15 and this is all an exercise in futility. If he is there though, I will be very upset if we pass on him. I really believe that in three or four years we’ll be looking back and saying that he was the best safety in this draft class. If you don’t believe me, I have two final arguments, A and B. I know highlight reels make anyone look good, but watch how many plays look like that of a CB and how many look like the type a FS would make. He makes big plays, which is something we can really use, whether he pressures the QB or not.
I'm sure this post just opened the floodgates of debate, or at least I hope so. Tell me what you think.
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A couple things I love about Jenkins
1. He will hit you. That is rare in most DB’s, and the ones that like to do the hitting AND can cover end up doing good things (Polamalu, Bob Sanders, etc).
2. He is a leader and a team player. Every time I saw him do something big, he celebrated with a team mate, or lead the team in their pregame. That’s important.
3. Great cover skills, etc, etc
The problem I have with drafting Jenkins is that I think he will be a fantastic corner. Would we want to move someone that could possibly be a fantastic corner to FS? I mean, I am sure he would do well, and a bunch of his big plays on the highlights were from the safety position, but good corners are simply more difficult to find. I understand this is kind of a dumb argument to make, but I don’t want to draft a good corner, find out he wont pan out as a safety, and now we are sitting on four (4) “starting” corners, and a corner we haven’t even seen play (Molden). I’m not sure this makes all that much sense, but that’s whats going through my mind right now.
by Riott on Feb 25, 2009 12:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
For the record, I don't hate him AT ALL
I think I would very, very seriously consider taking him at 15 if he fell to us – but only as CB. I think he’ll be a great corner… why would you change him to a position that he’s NOT a great collegiate player at? His lukewarm Combine performance means next to nothing to me. I’ll take his years as a stud CB at a big-time program over a couple of days of working out in Indianapolis every time.
Converting from CB to FS is a totally different skill set. As a FS, the play is in front of you. You have to diagnose and react accordingly. Why would you take a guy who might be the best corner of this draft, and flip him over to FS? That just doesn’t make any sense to me at all – and I’m pretty sure he’d be pretty upset about it as well, as the cornerbacks make a hell of a lot more money – at least the top tier of them do.
Now, while I have little doubt that MJ could eventually be a really good FS, I don’t know why you take him away from what he is now – possibly the best corner in the draft.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Feb 25, 2009 1:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is probably just me being ignorant
but I think that an elite FS can have more of an impact than an elite CB. With Nnamdi, you can’t throw to half the field, but with Ed Reed, you’re afraid to throw it anywhere.
On top of that, I think that we’re trying to model ourselves after the Broncos, especially the ones that won the Superbowls. Clearly we’re doing that on offense, and it’s working pretty well. A while back I looked at their defense in 98 and compared it to ours right now, and the only two glaring inadequacies that I noticed was SLB where they had Romanowski and FS where they had Steve “Assassin” Atwater. If Chaun Thompson was healthy and could inexplicably suddenly figure out how to excel at SLB in the NFL, we’d only be missing a stud FS.
As a side note, I would kill to have a FS with a nickname like “Assassin”
by Tailgate Andy on Feb 25, 2009 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still love him.
This might sound ridiculous, but I think a lot of people just get sick of the same player being the best. The same thing seems to have happened with Michael Oher. Jenkins will probably fall a little bit now, but a team is going to get a heck of a player.
by Mocking Dan on Feb 25, 2009 7:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
id take him at 15
no doubt about it…if hes thre we should take him at 15…here is the dilemma…both dunta (assuming hes still a texan by week 1) and jenkins are great db’s…dunta had a surgery last year, he is a tad slower…i think itd make more sense to move dunta to FS and let jenkins stay at CB…i think that’d be better for us
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 25, 2009 7:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The problem with that
at least as far as I understand, is that Dunta is too small to be hitting like he does on so many plays.
by Tailgate Andy on Feb 25, 2009 7:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another Great Post, TT
Assuming Jenkins is available at 15 and Smithiak doesn’t believe that M. Johnson, Cushing, Matthews, etc. aren’t superior values for our spot, we could (and have) done a whole lot worse than drafting the best available DB on the board. I’d much rather have too many quality CBs than too few. It’d be a fine problem to have, especially in a league where three and four WR sets are becoming increasingly common. That, and we have to face the very real possibility that Dunta is not long for Houston, whether that happens over the next few months or the next couple of seasons.
Say Jenkins becomes a Texan, but neither he nor Dunta moves to FS. Would trying Fred Bennett out there blow your mind?
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by Tim on Feb 25, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fred has the size to do it
It all depends if he can take the transition. Hell, I would try Fred, Frenchy, and Molden and see which one took to it the best. Where does that put Eugene Wilson though? He has performed pretty admirably at FS for us, unless we are looking for a SS that basically is a FS that blitzes occasionally, then any of the above might work.
by Riott on Feb 25, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Eugene Wilson
Wilson’s a wild card for me. He performed well enough to be brought back, but I’d be pretty strict about what I’d be willing to pay if I was Smithiak. In other words, if Wilson took a deal similar to what Demps got last year, great; see you in camp. If he wants anything approaching sizable guaranteed money, I’d wish him the best and turn my attention elsewhere.
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by Tim on Feb 25, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TOTALLY agree on that
I know that Wilson is a priority to re-sign – but a funny thing happens when you’ve had TERRIBLE free safety play for your entire franchise history – when a guy comes along and is even average to above average, you probably think he’s a lot better than he actually is.
I hope they’re careful with this contract.
It’s kind of similar (but not really) to Anthony Weaver… we don’t actually NEED another ELITE pass rusher – we just need someone who is solid to very good on the other side. But Weaver was so grossly ineffective for so long, that people tend to think we need two Marios.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Feb 25, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that still falls into best defensive player available
which I kinda agree with, anyway.
He is just one of our list of guys we’re looking at with #15, and we pick the best.
If we take a DB in the first, I hope we take a DE in the second. We need a starter at that position in 2009.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Feb 25, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the question...
How do we pay draft picks? Are they paid based on the spot they’re taken in the draft, or based on position, like free agents?
I ask because if they’re paid like free agents, it’s all about how he and his agent view his position. If they think he’s a corner, they’re going to ask for cornerback money. If they give in, and say they’ll move to FS (which would be dumb of them because they’d lose money) during negotiations, we pay him as a safety.
Now, if it’s all based on draft position, screw it… I’m in.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Feb 25, 2009 9:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
man i cant believe that all this is coming up because of the combine workouts
this guy has been a proven defensive back on one of the most talented defensive schools for 4 years. this is why i dont put too much into the combine because of crap like this. just like iverson said “man we talking about practice” well man we talking about a combine workout and a 40 yard dash. there is a difference between speed and football speed and i bet that on the field that his time is consistantly better than a 4.6. the scouts have been talking about him as a safety for a couple of years now. he has prototypical safety size and the cover ability of a corner he is a defensive back that will be in the good – could be great range right now and wouldnt mind seeing him in a texans uniform. once taylor mays decided to stay for his senior year malcom jenkins became the best defensive back
by kcc28 on Feb 25, 2009 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wilson
app. signed a new 3 year deal…that locks up one of the S positions…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 25, 2009 5:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TT, check this out - LZ agrees with you:
This is a question I asked him on his blog:
LZ,
Finally caught you on 1300 in Austin today.
I want to ask you about Malcolm Jenkins… you seem to fall into the category of thinking he’s now destined to be a FS (correct me if I’m misquoting you)… but don’t you think that’s putting way too much emphasis on one blah workout and not enough on all his years as a big time CB on a big time college team?
You saw how much faster the WRs ran than the CBs. While the 40 times may be overanalyzed for guys like Knowshon Moreno and Beanie Wells who play RB, I think they are pretty important for man-to-man CBs who have to cover these burners. There are more and more Donnie Avery and Eddie Royal types who are coming into the league and you have to have speed to cover them. I think Jenkins goes to FS.
So for the record – he sees it your way.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Feb 25, 2009 5:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So if in fact those who, like me, see that his poor 40 time could slot him as a FS not a CB
is he still worth the 15th pick? A faster, bigger, harder hitting guy like Taylor Mays – sure he is worth a high pick. Obviously a shutdown corner is surely worth a high pick. Does Jenkins bring enough that we use the 15th pick on him? Even if I knew ahead of time that we could get Ayers (or some other good pass rusher) at 46, I would still have a hard time picking Jenkins that high.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 25, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What would be better?
A hard hitting, bigger free safety or a ball hawk who also lays the wood but plays like a center fielder? How many games did Ed Reed change with interceptions, especially when he returned them for TD’s. Jenkins has shown that kind of ability.
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by Jake on Feb 25, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Jenkins is Ed Reed then yes it is a no brainer to pick him if he is there at 15
I admit that I have not studied Jenkins enough to know how he compares to Reed. I had the impression that he was not as big or as fast.
Jenkins is listed on nfl.com at 6’0" 204
Ed Reed is 5’11" 200
I was wrong. He has the size. If he has Ed Reed ability then I have to wonder how could he fall to 15? Don’t GB and NO both need secondary help? Who knows, maybe we get lucky. If we can get Jenkins and Ayers with our first 2 picks, that looks like a good deal. I haven’t done a fantasy draft in 20 years. They were simultaneously nerve wracking and exhilirating; close as most of us will ever get to the real thing.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 25, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OTD, I think you're right
I’m in the process of writing my first ever mock draft, and I can’t shake the feeling he won’t be there, as much as I would love it to happen. Even with the poor Combine and the realization that he’ll probably be a S in the NFL, he’ll still probably go before 15 with the resume he’s built. Ce la vie (no, I can’t sell anything in French).
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by Jake on Feb 25, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*Spell
Damn lack of editing!
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by Jake on Feb 25, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not being a smart ass but it's c'est la vie
The draft is as unpredictable as it is dynamic. I used to work in oilfield services, and Halliburton used to have good old boy country wisdom motto of “We can’t see any farther down that hole than you can” :). That completely ignores modern technology, but I think it applies to the NFL draft. Noone knows what Detroit will do at #1, and one unforseen move can lead to a series of surprises. That’s one reason why it ‘s so fun to speculate. No reason to belive your forecast won’t be as good as or better than anyone’s else. Looking forward to your mock. Keep the excellent posts coming.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 25, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I shoulda' proofread that, that was borderline illiteracy
an editing function would be nice.
by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 25, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Ainsworth and this debat is mute!
I’m for pony up the money for Haynesworth and draft Jenkins at 15, pick up a free agent RB, I love Slaton, but we need a 6’2"/230 ish power back who is happy with 10-15 touches a game and loves to hit people as much as Leach does, to compliment Slaton. ( I think there is one in the draft who will be there in the 2nd) can’t remember his name. Pick up Graham Harrel in the 3rd or 4th, take the best availalbe player in the 2nd if we don’t take a back. I have to confess to a man crush on Slaton. Maybe Deja Vue (is that french?) 1977 or 78, foggy back then, overseas in USMC, NFL on Armed Forces TV, live at 2 AM the morning before the game (remember the dateline?) and watching Payton put about 290 yards on the Vikings. Slaton reminds of that game. I see alot of Payton in him. He needs to get about 25 touches a game and needs someone the opposite of him to relieve him or be in there with a 2 back set, and the defense has to flip a coin.
by Football Friek on Feb 25, 2009 11:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Slaton=Sweetness
I’m recommending your Comment on that basis alone. Welcome to the club, Friek.
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by Tim on Feb 26, 2009 1:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately I am way late to the convo here
so I’ll keep it short.
Champ Bailey…..Nmamdi Asomugha….Malcom Jenkins. NFL shutdown corners of recent history (from the perspective of a future observer in 2011).
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 15, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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