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Would You Trade Owen Daniels For Multiple Draft Picks?

I apologize for being late to the party. Not sure exactly why that is, but I've only recently noticed the swirling rumors that The Team That Employed Frank Reich And Once Made Me Want To Play In Traffic purportedly has/had a sizable interest in our Pro Bowl tight end. Much has been written about the possibility over at SB Nation's excellent site for all things Bill related (see, e.g., here, here, and/or here), but the final word seemed to be that OD's high tender made his acquisition cost-prohibitive. Which, of course, was exactly what Smithiak was trying to do by tendering him at the level they did.

Thus, the following is pure speculation. Buffalo isn't about to trade us their first and third rounder for Owen Daniels. But I can't help recalling that the price tag is negotiable, as we all learned about two (2) years ago. Keeping that in mind, let's say Buffalo offered a first and third rounder for Owen Daniels. Or, like Smithiak did with The Schaub, two (2) second-rounders. Or a second and a third rounder. Would you part with Owen Daniels?

There's no right answer to this hypothetical, of course. I'd take a pass if a team offered just a first-rounder. But a first and third? That'd be very tough to pass up, even for a young Pro Bowler.

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I've thought a bit about this and it seems a no brainer

to accept the first and third. But then with one of those picks we have to replace a young pro-bowler, so its really just a third round pick, assuming we’re able to at least put a starting TE back out there with the first round pick or any trades spawned from it.

Of course if we put a pro-bowler back out there with said pick, its a free third. But that, or even the starter to replace him is such a huge gamble, it would be a tough decision to say the least.

I think if I was RS and this was posed to me, I’d take it in the end (not literally) but it wouldn’t be as easy as it seems now.

1&3 yes, 2&2 probably not, 2&3 definitely not.

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by texanphil on Mar 26, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No way

We have arguably the best young tight end in football. He has high character, and kicks ass. Why would we want to part with him for a couple of picks that might work out in the future? He is a proven commodity. If we lost hi then we have a big hole to fill and we lost a huge weapon on offense. Why fix what isn’t broke?

It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!

by USMC_Texas on Mar 26, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

No way I do it for two picks. As said, we would need to use one on a TE, and the other pick would still be only a draft pick, not a proven player. Keep the bird in hand and be damned happy with it. It’s not easy to find a TE of that quality and few teams have one.

by JMay on Mar 26, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One would have to be a first rounder

We dont have a tight end capable of standing up and filling in for Daniels, and Daniels is a first round quality talent, he can block and pass. We might be able to get lucky and find a good replacement for him lower but it would be a hell of a dice roll at best.

Second and third round tight ends are either guaranteed blockers or receivers, you only get both if you are very lucky.

by last texans fan on Mar 26, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of offense...

Here were Kube’s recent comments in case you haven’t seen it.

Texans coach Gary Kubiak reiterated that he wants to pair Steve Slaton with another running back.
“The perfect complement is a bigger, more physical guy who’s good in short-yardage and goal-line situations,” Kubiak said. “And we’re not looking for a guy who’s just a backup player. It takes two backs to get through a season.”

(Rotoworld)

Now I know, I’m probably looking wayyyyyyyyyyyy into this so stop reading and correct me now if you think I am, but… if in the case he does have a Wells/Moreno (probably Wells based on the size factor) rated higher than any of the defensive players available, or if Matthews, Cushing, and the like are all gone…. could you see the scenario of him taking Wells? It intrigues me that he says he’s not looking for “just a backup”.

And again, I don’t agree with picking offense in the first round, and I have a feeling this is probably a major smoke screen…. but it’s fun throwing stuff out there at this point in the off-season.

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Still waiting...

by DreKeem on Mar 26, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

Here is what Kubiak also said:

"Our first-round pick has to have a big impact on our team. The more the first-round pick continues to be an impact player, the better we’re going to get. We could still use an impact player at linebacker and on the backend (but) we’d be hard-pressed to take a receiver or a running back in the first round

Doesn’t that sound like he’s saying that even with the needs at LB and S that if someone were to fall that they would have to take a long hard look at drafting them? Crabtree, Wells? Am i reading that right?

by ~Buck on Mar 26, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, that means the opposite.

When you say you’d be hard-pressed, it means “you’d have a hard time” doing whatever it is you’re talking about. He’s essentially saying “we need an impact player at linebacker and on the backend, but it would be difficult for us to take a receiver or running back, despite the fact that a potential WR or RB at 15 would be an impact player.”

Now – that said – there’s of course a fair chance that Kubiak misused the phrase. It’s a commonly misused phrase.

by HoustonDiehards on Mar 26, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He goes on to say...

That Stevie would ideally get 20-22 carries per game and “the other guy” would get around 10. That’s not a first round, or even a first day pick indication, in my book.
I don’t think there is even a sliver of a chance we draft offense in the first. Just don’t see it. Even if Crabtree falls, we won’t do it, IMO.

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by beefy on Mar 27, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Two words: Pro Bowler!

I can’t believe I’m even seeing this! First of all I’m still waiting to find out why Daniels isn’t getting his big contract and then I read this?!? We need badasses – especially on the offensive side of the ball! Andre, Kevin and Owen all need to stay right where they are and help make our first playoff appearance! We need to be worried about drafting Malcolm Jenkins and whether or not Schaub has good protection – not losing a player of Owen’s caliber for some crap shoot draft picks.

by GodBlessSteveSlaton on Mar 26, 2009 5:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yep

Owen is nasty. The 1st rounder would probably be for defense, and the 3rd rounder would be for replacing Owen. Schaub has enough to worry about, let’s not add “Where’s my open TE?” on that list. If Buffalo offers a 1st and 3rd for OD, they must think very highly of him, how bout we keep the super talented young TE and build for the future w/ the players that are proving they can help us get there. naaah to the trade.

by wiseonekms on Mar 26, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AGREE 100%

It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!

by USMC_Texas on Mar 27, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OD is a fantastic player, but this is no easy decision

I LOVE OD, but a 1 and a 3 would get almost any player in the league. We would be unwise to turn that down, but as Tim has pointed out, the likelihood of that happening is nil. If Buffalo was willing to do that, the contract offer would have already been submitted. We could use our #2 on a tight end and reap the benefit of having the 11th and 15th picks in April. That plus an extra 3 would give us so many possibilities.

I think OD is definitely 1st round talent despite the fact he was a 4th round pick, so any deal would have to include a 1st rounder. So the obvious question is would we take a 1 and a 4? If the Bills would sweeten the pot with a player (don’t ask me who) who could start on defense for us then I would do it. Anything less, no way.

by oiler-texan diehard on Mar 26, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The "interst" in Daniels can be traced to one occurance

It was in one of the weekly John McClain chats. He said that a guy with the Bills said the Bills loved Owen. That’s IT. There’s nothing more to it than that. There was no mention of a trade, there was no mention of anything other than a guy from the Bills like him. You think anyone doesn’t “like” Owen Daniels? I think it was literally just a guy talking football with McClain. It could have been any other team rep saying the same thing – I mean, the guy is a pro-bowler. Of course other teams like him – but nobody ever even hinted at anything resembling a trade.

by HoustonDiehards on Mar 26, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As to the original question

It would be really, really hard to pass on a one and a three – but Owen is a proven commodity, and a major part of what makes this offense go. Do you REALLY want to jack with that? Just because you have the picks to get a new TE doesn’t mean he’ll be anywhere near as good as OD.

I think I would pass, but man it would be hard. I dunno. Officially – I don’t know what I’d do if that ridiculously preposterous situation occurred.

by HoustonDiehards on Mar 26, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

The offer sounds good. But, I think you’ll spend two picks trying to replace OD. The only way i pull the trigger on that play is if Dreesen can replace OD in the passing game – not a likely prospect.

by kozanack on Mar 26, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could probably get

Larry Fitzgerald for a 1 and a 3. Especially Buffalo’s 1 and 3. Owen Daniels won’t go for that so its not worth debating too much. I’m actually starting to fear this trade rumor… fear that good old captain Smith will sell off Daniels for a 2nd rounder and a box of Cracker Jacks. You know it’s not beyond him.

Media Quote tommorow: “I felt that it was a real strong addition to the team. The little sailor on the front makes me happy, and the prize inside…man this team needs that.” – Rick Smith, Texans GM

by last texans fan on Mar 27, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably not.

If we were still rebuilding, it would make sense. But right now we’re at the point where we need players to step up and contribute now and over the next 2-3 years. We’ve had the pleasure of some pretty fast learning curves on our team, but draft picks are gonna take time to pay off. Schaub and AJ are in their primes; we need to take advantage of that and hang onto the top-tier talent around them.

That said, if we’re really turning down big offers, I certainly hope lil’ Shanny plans on using him more in the red-zone next year. Two touchdowns? Gimme a break; that’s what your tight-end is for. Throw him the ball already. There’s just no way a guy can be so great at moving the chains, then completely ineffective inside the twenty.

by Nashmeister on Mar 27, 2009 3:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Should have been three

…except for that fumble in Green Bay.

Thank god he atoned for it with that excellent jump move on the last drive.

If it were a first and a second (yeah, right) I’d pull the trigger. Maybe even a first, a third and a fourth. But not just a first and a third. We need lots of compensation for the fact that we’re given up a known commodity for picks that will not all work out.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 27, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the jump move

is all I remember. awesome.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Mar 27, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Picks

Are fun and exciting and we need them. You don’t give up a future probowler on purpose like Owen who is young, on his way up, has such high character, and is a big part of your offense for a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder. He is your number 3 option in a kick but passing attack. How many teams have tried to pick up a tight end like Owen and failed? What are the odds of finding another one like him? What are the odds that the first rounder we got for him was a player of his caliber?

Of course you get a third as well. The odds go way down for that pick. We would maybe get value back at some point with those to picks, but how long of a wait? We need Owen NOW!!

I am all about more picks, but not at the expense of our best young players!!!!!!!!!!!

Not no, but HELL NO!!!!

Of course the Bills like Owen. What crazy ass team wouldn’t like him? That is a no brainier!

It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!

by USMC_Texas on Mar 27, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

*butt

It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!

by USMC_Texas on Mar 27, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a big one...

I cannot lie. You other brothers can’t deny.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 27, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wouldn't.

I’m as Pick Horny as the rest of you, but Owen’s too important and too young for the risk.
Now, two 1’s or a 1 and 2… We gotta think about the team.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 27, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Which wouldn't happen

Lol, pick horny is a good term to describe it.

We could get 2 1’s for Mario, 2 1’s for andre, 2 2’s back for Shaub, a 1 and a 4 for Winston, a 2 2’s for Dunta, a 1 for Slaton, 2 1’s for Demeco just to name a few. Then we can control the draft for a couple of years!!!!!

It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!

by USMC_Texas on Mar 27, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

You just made several Pick Boners explode with that comment.
Touche’.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 27, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha

We are going to turn the draft day war room into a pick orgy love fest. Feel the sensation!

It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!

by USMC_Texas on Mar 27, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

if we get said picks its because they made him an offer that we didn’t match.

So what if they made him a crazy big offer that would kill our cap space?

I think that will enter into the decision by RS, obviously.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Mar 27, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poison Pill

Isn’t that the term. That would suck balls, but man would Buffalo have toreally be in love with od.

Great point.

It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!

by USMC_Texas on Mar 30, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hell no!

we need our OD

GO TEXANS!!!!

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by Texanmaniac on Mar 28, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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