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It's April 22, 2009--What Do You Want Your Houston Texans To Do With The Fifteenth Pick?

Now that we're approaching the zero hour, let's change the rules of the exercise a bit. First, let's assume that Malcolm Jenkins is off the board. I honestly think he will be gone by the time the Texans go on the clock, so that's not a stretch. Secondly, let's put the option to trade the pick in play. The caveat to selecting this option, however, is that you must propose a realistic and reasonable trade offer in the Comments below, as well as opine on who Smithiak would be targeting after the trade.

By way of reference, here's a link to the infamous draft value chart that was popularized by Jimmy Johnson & Co. so many years ago. Keep in mind that the points assigned therein aren't gospel; the game has changed a bit (e.g., the higher picks aren't nearly as desirable as they used to be, considering the money that must be invested in the player selected).

With those things in mind, I ask you: What do you want your Houston Texans to do with the fifteenth overall pick on Saturday? For what it's worth, I'll be drafting a separate post on Friday detailing what I hope happens. Have at it.

Poll
It's Day One of the 2009 NFL Draft. What do you want your Houston Texans to do with the fifteenth overall pick?
Draft Clay Matthews III (LB--USC)
164 votes
Draft Robert Ayers (DE--Tennessee)
23 votes
Draft Darius Butler (CB--UConn)
18 votes
Draft Sean Smith (CB/FS--Utah)
33 votes
Draft Michael Johnson (DE--Georgia Tech)
8 votes
Draft Beanie Wells (RB--Ohio State)
25 votes
Draft Brandon Pettigrew (TE--Oklahoma State)
4 votes
Draft Knowshon Moreno (RB--Georgia)
25 votes
Draft Rey Maualuga (LB--USC)
39 votes
Draft Brian Cushing (LB--USC)
58 votes
Draft Vontae Davis (CB--Illinois)
24 votes
Draft someone else (tell us who in the Comments)
12 votes
Trade UP (tell us what the proposed deal would be and who Smithiak would be targeting in the Comments below)
12 votes
Trade DOWN (tell us what the proposed deal would be and who Smithiak would be targeting in the Comments below)
113 votes

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ny giants...

have done well in recent years stacking their team silly with DEs that get after the QB. Just bc we went out and got antonio smith doesnt mean we can’t continue to improve our pass rush. that’s why I voted for robert ayers

by jroberts5 on Apr 22, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for a trade down

and if Stafford falls past the Lions, it can’t hurt our chances.

I voted Clay3. If we didn’t have injury issues at OLB I would want us to take MJ or Knowshon. But we do, so lets solidify an important part of our defense and give Bush some more assets with which to assert his world domination.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Apr 22, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Down

And I think Chris’ proposed deal with the Giants would be awesome.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 22, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Link is going slow for me

But if the proposal is 15th overall for their 45th and 60th, I’m on board. And it wouldn’t surprise me either. They could be in the market for Cushing or Matthews, not to mention a receiver (if they don’t swing a trade for Edwards).

At that point, I’d take any mix of Sean Smith, Eric Wood, Barwin, Sintim, and Andre Brown. It’s also still not out of the question that Michael Johnson might fall to the middle of the 2nd. This 3-4 trend might be very helpful for us.

by Nashmeister on Apr 22, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not on the list but I would like

Peria Jerry. Other than age, I have read nothing but good things about his play. Seems like a solid choice and would definitely make the d line better. I especially like the high motor.

by danger man on Apr 22, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am against Peria Jerry

because he is a 3-technique, and we have 2 first round picks that play that position already.

by Riott on Apr 22, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a few ideas

I’d be happy with something along the lines of:
15 for Det..s 2nd and 3rd
15 for 2 Giants 2nd’s
15 for Tampas 1st (19) and 2010 2nd Rd selection (I think they are going to bomb this year)

It wouldn’t be sexy but I’d love to move down into position to get Wood/Unger/Mack at value. I want to win now…but I have most admired Smithiaks dicipline for steady solid growth…I want a long-lasting competitive team and think (if Gibbs wants…we should get a versitile stud on the line while we’ve got a chance for our draftees to benefit from his coaching.) I also want the extra push in the red zone on those 4th & 1 situations (for our 17th ranked offense). I’d also like to see a Michael Johnson or Percy Harvin (fresh off the herb) drop to us in the second and force us to make some tough decisions regarding playmakers. While I want to address obvious holes in our defense…I’m a little concerned about handing over the entire draft to a Defensive staff that is still learning what its current tools are and hasn’t proven itself in its ability to develop talent like the Offense has. I am really hoping for multiple picks down to maximize our 2nd-4th round talent!

by Smittybaby on Apr 22, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade down...

for anything. I don’t care if it fits exactly with the almighty pick value chart.
Obviously, I don’t want to get screwed either, but we’ve got to move down.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I voted trade down with someone wanting a remaining QB

I would hope the we could still get a good OLB with a lower one. My favorite pick would be Matthes3 followed by Sintim.

It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!

by USMC_Texas on Apr 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TRADE UP

Proposed deal: Texans’ 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th 2009 Picks AND 1st, 3rd 2010 Picks to Detroit for the #1 pick. And then draft Matthew Stafford. It’s clear the Texans need QB help, and Stafford is clearly the best player ever.

Signed,
Mike Ditka and Mel Kiper Jr.

by Only_A_Lad on Apr 22, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

LOL

That would be sweet, but that is not an even value. Throw in Demeco, Dunta, and Owen D and it would be a deal!

It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!

by USMC_Texas on Apr 22, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know why WR- Dudley Guice isn't somebody? Can he play football?

I found his name looking at a positional draft chart…he’s WAY down the prospect list…but on paper…he stands way out in terms of measureables.

Northwestern State WR Dudley Guice
6-foot-3 wt. 210 pounds. 40-yard dash in 4.37 seconds, three-cone drill was 6.61 seconds and his short shuttle was 4.01 seconds and a 39" vertical and a 10’05" broad jump. I googled him and saw a little clip, but he only played in 3 games last year. Anyone who thinks these kind of things are intersting, let me know what you think…I wonder if he has legit upside or if he’s hopeless as a 7th or undrafted.

by Smittybaby on Apr 22, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade down unless.....

Someone that shouldn’t slip down to us does (i.e., Michael Jenkins).

by okstarsfan on Apr 22, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait

Michael Johnson, Malcolm Jenkins, or Mike Jenkins CB from USF who was drafted by the Cowboys last year?

by Riott on Apr 22, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say try and trade down...

to get another 2nd and a 1st next year…. You can find guys to fill the holes in the second round and you will have much more ability in the “uncapped” year

by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 22, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade up or down

With Malcolm Jenkins gone, I’d trade—up or down.
Up if Raji drops in the 7 plus range and costs a first plus third or less. However, I don’t think Raji will fall, so I voted for trade down.
I think choosing specific teams is a bit of an exercise in throwing darts in a dark room because we have no idea what they are actually thinking, just what the media and fans want them to think, but it appears value wise something could be conceivable to drop real late into the first and add a second. So, I’d want something not to just swap picks but add a pick in the second range (Three Second Rounders Please Post).

At this point all those picks seem fairly interchangeable, so I’d go for Laurinaitis, one of the centers, or Sean Smith first and then look at the same (Laurinaitis gone) maybe adding Brace, Sintim, and some other safeties with the two second rounders.

by JMay on Apr 22, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

IF Orakpo is available at #9 or below

I’m trading up aggressively. I think we could get a deal done to trade up by trading our 1st rounder and possibly one our 4th rounders, if not a 4th a 3rd for sure. Getting that extra pick from Minnesota afforded us w/ some flexibility and I’ll be pissed if the Texans don’t use it to get a superior athlete and rush end of this year’s draft IF he’s available. Matthews is not the complete deal, he is not a “for sure” guy, nor does his limited playing time suggest it. Orakpo, however, seems like he is. This is working under the assumption that he’s available til that position. Clint Sintim in round #2 to play SLB would mean we nabbed Orakpo and Sintim in rds #1 and #2, if we stayed pat we’d probably do something like Matthews and Chung….eeeeehhhh option #1 is better.

by wiseonekms on Apr 22, 2009 3:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How in the world...

would a “for sure” pass rusher slip to #9 or below, especially in a draft this devoid of talent?? Could it be because he’s only “for sure” to people who like UT?
Just sayin’

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 22, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually in agreement

I would probably be in favor of drafting him if he fell to us, but I wouldn’t want to draft up to get him. And if he did fall that far, I would wonder why a player that was slated to go in the top five range fell so far.

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Apr 22, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, he IS FOR SURE

however, if teams start drafting for “need” over talent, then he may fall. And if there’s a run on the 2 Qb’s and OT’s and receivers, he has a shot to slip behind 4 OT’s, 2 QB’s, 2 WR’s, 1 NT, that’s 9 players, if he’s at 10, he’s still the 1st pass rusher taken off the board. Many teams don’t want to draft pass rusher that early in this year’s draft b/c they feel they can add quality depth there later in the draft. However, Orakpo COULD slip if teams feel they need to fill a need. If that’s the case, we should take advantage. There’s nothing Orakpo lacks, and w/ an improving D-line, and Mario on the left side we can afford a “bit” of a risk in getting a talent like Orakpo. As far as all the pre-draft coverage is concerned, the only problem w/ Orakpo is his coverage ability, but all players aren’t perfect. I’ll take my chances on an amazing collegiate player who played for a great team and is battle tested, not to mention the man’s a monster.

by wiseonekms on Apr 22, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...

The guy is slated as a “pass rusher.” Guys in that role, rated as highly as you think he is, don’t slip past teams. Period.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 23, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if I agree with that logic

Depth at the position, need, “fit,” they all matter. The only reason Orakpo would drop to #15 is if teams thought he was better suited as a 4-3 end rather than a 3-4 OLB (as a Texas fan, I think he’s better as a 4-3 end, but what do I know). Teams like the Chiefs, Browns, 49ers, and Packers all want a pass rusher for the 3-4. If people conclude this about him, the highest he will go is 8 to Jacksonville.

He’s still not likely to get to 15, since Buffalo runs a 4-3 and could use him, but since the Texans run a 4-3, it would not be a problem to you guys if Orakpo is seen as more of a traditional 4-3 end.

by TheElusiveShadow on Apr 24, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BRACE YOURSELVES, BRB'ers....

If Orakutan fell to us at 15, IN THIS DRAFT AND ASSUMING WE COULDN’T TRADE DOWN, I would be happy with taking him. Not thrilled, mind you, but… ugh… Happy.

Open the floodgates, Timmy and TT.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 23, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Don't Even Know Who You Are Anymore

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 23, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't hear you...

with the shower running over me constantly.
I’m huddled in the corner with my scrub brush and bottle of clorox, wishing I’d somehow slip down the drain, so I could go live with the ninja turtles and not worry about this draft stuff anymore.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 23, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Trade for next year

What the Texans should do is if Mark Sanchez is still on the board (and if the Lions don’t draft Stafford), package our 15th overall pick along with a 3rd or 4th rounder for their 2nd round selection this year and their first round selection next year. After doing this, we should draft Eric Berry from Tennessee and Taylor Mays from USC next year. With the second rounder, we can do a number of things, such as go D-Line with Tyson Jackson (if he falls), Evander Hood, or Fili Moala or Linebacker with James Laurinaitis.

by mrrrlee on Apr 22, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Problem Is...

That, by all accounts, Sanchez won’t be on the board at 15. Back when Sanchez first declared, I thought he might be the guy teams would trade with us to get; unfortunately, it appears that his stock has skyrocketed to the point that there’s little chance he makes it out of the top ten (and maybe even the top five, if Seattle really likes him as much as we’ve read in various places).

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 22, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true enough

but you never really know, the mock draft that that this site did with MJD had Sanchez going at 22 to the Vikings. i agree that the chances are unlikely, but maybe another sorry team will try to trade up to get freeman or somebody. i just hope the Texans don’t draft a Vontae Davis or a Sean Smith (if Malcolm Jenkins is off the board) because to me that would be a reach as neither is a sure fire thing. I think if they can’t trade for a high pick next year, they should trade down.

by mrrrlee on Apr 22, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Sanchez goes it's not a shrug your shoulders situation

There are 3 capable QBs in this draft (a team doesn’t have to be sorry to draft Freeman if they value his skill set). Maybe the Vikes or the Bucs want to get ahead of the Broncos. I don’t get why you think that Jenkins is untouchable, or why you then you think your pick is worthless (not you personally, just kind of what I have read on the board). There will be teams willing to deal so that you can get your guy I would bet, and there are teams that have their eye on someone that they would love to jump up and grab. The Eagles stated publicly that they would trade up to get Moreno. Maybe just trying to think about it for too long is spinning you in circles.

It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Apr 23, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spinning in Circles

Well put. That’s where I’m at, though I remain hopeful that once the draft starts, someone a team can’t live without will be there at 15, and the Texans will benefit.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 23, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trade up!!!

i don’t know enough to know what to propose for the deal, but i think they should figure out a way to trade up for curry. but that’s just me.

by turnip73 on Apr 22, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curry

I think the kid’s as low risk as a pick in this year’s draft can get, but it’d likely cost a fortune to move far enough up to get him. Although I’ve seen him fall as far as No. 8 in some mocks, I think you’d have to move up into the top three to have any real assurance of getting him. Even then, there’s no guarantee he’d be there.

Regardless—assuming the Texans could maneuver into the necessary slot to snag Curry, the price to do that would surely be too steep for a team with as many holes as the Texans have.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 22, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade up for Raji starting at #7 with Oakland on the board

Offer #15 plus a 2nd rounder in 2010. Raji is THE impact D Lineman in the draft. We will have a good record this season and our 2nd rounder next year will be close to #60. A great deal for us I think. If Oakland asks for more then we can offer or our 2nd #4, but no more. This still leaves us with a 2, 3 & 4 for this year to build depth in the secondary, LB and RB.

If BJ is still on the board at #9 with GB on the clock, offer #15 & #77 (3rd rounder) for #9. Value chart is close, but I have read that the chart is antiquated because of the inflated salaries the 1st 10 or so picks have been. Our 15 + 177 is worth 1275 pts. vs. 1350 pts. for #9. Unless GB really wants Raji badly, they may do it, and we will have taken the best possible step forward this draft class offers. We have never had a stud DT and with the group of linemen already on board, this would possibly give us one of the best lines in the league. Take the plunge Smithiak.

by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 22, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Never Had A Stud DT"

True, and it makes me very sad, considering we’ve burned two (2) top fifteen picks on defensive tackles since 2005.

Amobi still has the power to make that statement inaccurate, but we really need to acquire a planetoid to line up next to him.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 23, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be incredible if it was pulled off

It would definitely one of the top D-lines in football.

It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Apr 23, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not for lack of trying that we don't have the anchor in the middle of the line

and even if Amobi plays to his potential he is the slasher, not the people moving bruiser that we need. Big Frank has the size, but it looks like BJ has the heart to go with the size to be the perfect complement to Amobi. OL and DL are the keys to winning football. Look at the glory days of the Oilers. Both lines were filled with talent. This is no great secret. Here’s hoping we have the guts to pull the trigger on landing Raji.

Not to nit pick, but even if Amobi turns out to be the stud DT we all hope he can be this year and in the future, my statement that “We have never had a stud DT” I think still stands as true. Walker was past his prime when we got him, and he was our best to date. Amobi showed flashes of brilliance in ’07, and this year could be his, especially if we get the right guy to line up next to him.

by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 23, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leap frog

If Jenkins falls to number 13 (i.e. the Packers don’t grab him) then trade the 4th and 6th rounders along with your first to jump the saints and steal him. I don’t think he’ll be there at 15, but could likely be there at 13.

It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Apr 23, 2009 6:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And Tim...

What’s with giving Matthews top billing in the pecking order?? I guarantee you, had TRADE DOWN been on the top, it would be a close® race, if not be flipped in vote numbers. If you’re pro-Matthews, you’re a marketing genius. GENIUS, I SAY!!
Anywho, just hadn’t taken a jab at you in a few hours, and felt we both needed it.
Carry on, in the regular skating direction.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 23, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course referring to...

The ballot. I don’t know if that came through so clearly.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 23, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny That You Noticed That

I did sort of have an agenda. I’m not pro-Matthews by any means, but I wanted people to have to read every other possibility before they got to “Trade Down” (which, of course, is how I voted). I figured everyone would just vote “Trade Down” if it was listed first.

Either I totally overestimated everyone’s interest in the options, or Matthews has a ridiculously devoted following among the voting public. I’m shocked. I really thought “Trade Down” would get more than 50% of the vote.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 23, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm telling you...

had you put it on top, it would’ve been a landslide.
But you’re right… they likely wouldn’t have read the other options. It seems they still didn’t in this case. Maybe you should’ve put them both at the bottom, eh?
funny.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

another one for tim...

I sent you an email to the brb@gmail addy. check that shit.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 23, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Just Responded

Oh, how I hate you and your tremendously cool offer of a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 23, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worry not, young Timmy...

for I would’ve yanked the offer from under your tiny feet the day of the event. Because fuck you, that’s why.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 23, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone should know...

I’m joking about that comment, but if you don’t, I am.
I didn’t want anyone to think I’d killed the blog with a deadly right cross to its leader.
I love Tim. I know it. He knows it. The coaches know it.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 23, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Doubt

Just the other day, Kubes was saying to me, “You know, Beef really loves you, Tim. It’s sort of creepy.”

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 23, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Liar

You’re such an asshole. Now the blog will be burned just so Tim won’t have to hear your insults any longer. We are all lost…..it’s hopeless.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Apr 24, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IF U HAD PUT TRADE DOWN AND STILL GET MATTHEWS...

Then it would have been a landslide. I was torn between the 2, but I chose taking Matthews as I think he is going to evolve into a special player. Evolve is probably not the word I want, because I think the evolution will take place in his rookie campaign. Looking at video and seeing his 10 yard split, I love his closing ability. We don’t have anyone who can close like that and also has the power to finish. I truly believe that he will be equally adept at blitzing and covering.

meaningful football games in '08...MAKE THAT 09

by do on Apr 23, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

someone else

I like Orakpoe. He was a beast against the best in school. Has the talent to be de/lb. No doubt with doubles going to MARIO he will be disruptive helping the linebackers & secondary.

by battlebrown on Apr 23, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Down with Tampa Bay

Having the middle slot in the draft is a great situation for the Texans. It’s where a player will either fall to, or a team will want to leap frog another team in the low teens to pick a player they want.

I can see the Buccaneers looking to trade up and pick QB Josh Freeman, as they are enamored with him. This would put them two spots ahead of the NY Jets, another team reportedly interested in Freeman.

If a player such as Orakpo, Crabtree, or Tyson Jackson slips and is still available, a team might be interested in taking them. I could see a team looking to move past San Diego to #15 to get a player who’s slipped, as San Diego usually picks BPA. Of course we could also take a player if they slip to us in this spot.

Provided we trade down, I’d like to see us pick an OLB or a DE. I’m not necessarily enamored with Clay Matthews. While he is a good prospect, I think there will be a better player available to us.

by MaloneyPony on Apr 23, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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