Open Thread, Part Deux: Day Two Of The 2009 NFL Draft
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Not bashing Quin...
but seems like we didnt get good value with that pick. Probably could have gotten him in 5th or later. Hope they get their big back soon
Which Dream?
Watching this I feel like I’m looking at the Salvador Dali equivalent of an NFL Draft.
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
hoping for
Terrance Taylor or Andre Brown with next pick
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Apr 26, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
Trades
Trades this late have always kind of confused me. Aren’t the players so similiar in skill that you can find at least 1 player that fits on your team at this point?
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
Tend to Agree
Generally, the only way it makes sense is if you’re acquiring a future pick and/or there’s a guy you just LOVE.
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Which begs the question...
Your fridge is pre-loaded?
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, of course
My fridge and garage are both pre-loaded…..but there may be some who ran through their stock after Cushing yesterday
Well let's get it back
There’s a long way to go, y’all.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
True Dat
And D.J. Moore remains on the board. Any way Smithiak goes DB-DB here?
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Don't think so - but any chance they go another DE?
As in my crazy final mock scenario? Except instead of B. Williams/Melton, it could be Barwin/Sidbury?
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd Love Sidbury
That’d bring a big smile to my face.
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About Moore:
“John McClain: Moore is 5-9 and he couldn’t break a 4.5. Not good. "
That’s an interesting stat. And by interesting I mean – dude you suck.
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
This pick...
…has to be a RB right? Right?
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
Not Necessarily
If Gartrell’s your man, you don’t need to burn a fourth rounder on him.
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Agree
I like Gartrell – but not in the fourth. If he’s gone by the fifth, I take Ogbannaya.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm fearful
The answer might be Gartrell Johnson one round early.
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by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
There goes Moore
He’s a Bear.
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by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
Undersized...
And slow. Not good for a CB. Starts to make sense when you look at his numbers.
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Just looked
Yeah they quietly have had a very good draft. Bears will be dangerous next year.
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Williams goes before Sidbury.
I thought that might happen. SSS (small school syndrome).
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
Who we goin' with next, been out doing the lawn, any predictions?
by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 26, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
Gartrell Johnson a round too soon.
That’s my fear – though I do like the guy and like him in the fifth, I wouldn’t like him much in the fourth.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree - too soon for him
any good OT’s on the board?
by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 26, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
1 more pick
Brown still there…think itll be taylor tho
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Apr 26, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
going to stros game in 5 min
if someone can text me who we took, position for 5th and 6th and 7th rounders id appreciate it…
number: 713 705 4850…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Apr 26, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions
When we drafted OD, I didn't think we needed a TE
maybe this guy is just as good
by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 26, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Oy vey.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions
Anothony Hill is the newest Texan!
if anything casey?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Apr 26, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions
Okay - definitely a late round RB.
Or um… they like Chris Brown to stay healthy? BUAHAHAHAHA!!!
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by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
Gartrell will be there in the 5th, maybe even the 6th
by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 26, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I just
Don’t think they’re drafting an RB. It would please us too much.
I hope
That’s wrong. This guy is not OD, and Kubiak is arrogant if he thinks he can turn every 4th round TE into OD.
Ok then.
Someone’s getting axed in training camp.
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
What the shit
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
He is more than likely a blocker
Our blocking tight end is Joel Dreesen…..I don’t think he inspires fear in anyone….
Hill
An outstanding blocking TE. Don’t think Daniels has anything to worry about.
A little strange when they resigned Dreesen this offseason. But a much more logical pick than Glover.
- Rivers McCown
i was hoping this was the reason...
they said they were gonna look for a blocking TE. My first research source I looked at made no mention of him being that guy so I wasnt too sure
6-5 262, great size
4.84 “speed” runs like an OT
by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 26, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
why throw away a 4th? makes no sense
by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 26, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
He's from Houston... not that that matters.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
It doesn't
Really hurt. I just don’t get this pick given our other needs.
McClain keeps repeating that
he doesn’t think they think they need a starting safety.
Other than that, I think it’s arguable that they should go BPA.
- Rivers McCown
by riversmccown on Apr 26, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It's possible
We just undervalue Barber and Wilson, it’s happened before, with Walter.
Welcome To Houston Post
for Hill is up on the main page.
Zuh?
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I'm actually
Middle of the road on this pick. We did need a good blocking TE which Hill seems to be, but again it just seems like there were other players on the board.
You know... for kids.
ESPN Analysis on Quin....
Quin makes a quick diagnosis of plays and gets into strong initial position to make plays on the ball. He also takes good angles with the ball in flight and shows above-average ball skills. Although he’s undersized for the safety position he’s not afraid to throw his body around. However, he needs some tweaking to his overall footwork.
Haha John McClain just shut down his chat after the Hill pick...
…to “try and figure this one out”
Made Me Laugh Out Loud
And rec’d accordingly.
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ESPN Analysis on Hill...
Although Hill is extremely limited as an athlete his value comes from his ability as an inline blocker. In fact, he’s our top-rated rblocking tight end. He possesses brute strength at the point of attack and can push defenders off the ball
That Makes Me Happier
“Top-rated blocking tight end” has a nice ring to it. Question is whether you could’ve gotten him in the fifth or later.
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So clearly...
We’re addressing some red zone / short yardage issues. I’m ok with that.
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I just wonder
Who the back in those situations is going tobe, they must have someone in mind in free agency or the later rounds.
Still three rounds
You can find a big bruising back somewhere. Jennings from Liberty is still there.
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
That’s good. It’s just hard to get excited about the words extremely limited as an athlete…still, glad he’s got that going. Could be good for the running game.
the guy is huge..
6-5 262. Yea we needed a blocking tight end since bruener is gone. I guess the Texans are willing to reach a little to fill some needs at this point in the draft. I would rather have them stockpile BPA, but if this guy fills a need im OK with it. Big back in the 5th please!!!!
Sidbury to ATL
Damn.
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I Do Like The Barwin Pick
More and more everytime I think about it.
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I Like A Lot Of Things More Than Cushing
For example—a kick in the junk.
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Out of curiosity
Who would you have taken? And don’t answer “Trade down” because (a) that requires a partner and (b) we have no idea if anyone was interested.
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
All Things Being Equal
I would’ve taken Clay III or Oher.
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You're A Saint
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Yea Im warming up...
He has alot of untapped potential and physical gifts athletically wise. Hope he develops into what they think he can be.
I think
That ATL is having a pretty good draft. I actually liked Moore for us.
Chris...
Are you asking questions on the ESPN Draft Cast?
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
Nope. Too much other stuff between posting here and running my own blog
Which btw – just posted some RB possibilities in the fifth.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I want Jennings
6’1, 231 lbs. Yes please!
Who was that CSU kid whose name kept popping up?
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't he
Play with Kubiak’s kid or something?
Draft Theme
I will say that the players we’ve taken suggest to me we’re in a “win now” mentality. I’m ok with that. If they think a blocking TE is going to help us more than a project DE… I’ll take their word for it.
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
Andre Brown to NYG
Damn. Gartrell, Gartrell, Gartrell…
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I'd Be More Than Fine
With Jennings too.
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There goes Gartrell! Chargers!
Ruh roh!
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions
We need it :-/
Our short yardage conversion rate was terrible. I think a good blocking TE is more useful than a big bruising back. The same way Caldwell is better than a 3rd round RB.
by DisplacedTexan on Apr 26, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
no
then let’s use an eligible tackle on the end. blocking on the edge doesn’t help much, either, when you can’t crash it through the middle with a relatively light Slaton.
by bigfatdrunk on Apr 26, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Haaaaaaaaay
What’s up guys? Hey, who knew the draft started so early on day two?
I gotta say, I NAILED the Antoine Caldwell pick. I think I deserve some props. http://www.atexansblog.com/2009/04/25/fuck-me-with-a-sandpaper-chainsaw/#comment-16191
Where’s our freakin’ RB? I wanted Andre Brown reeeeal bad. A blocking TE? Are you serious?
RBs left for us...
James Davis
Rashad Jennings
Chris Ogbannaya
I listed Peerman on my site, but I don’t think the Texans want him.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
OB is a speedster
I dont think thats what we need
Ogbannaya is a great one-cut runner though.
Plus he’s like 220 pounds. PERFECT fit, IMO. Especially if we can get him in the sixth.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
It's funny, if we get Jennings we'll all call Smithiak a genius
If we don’t, we’ll say they botched the Hill/Andre Brown deal.
Safety and RB
Can’t believe we haven’t addressed either yet. A fucking TE?
Glove projects as a CB or a S - but a FREE safety, apparently.
I would be okay with the Hill pick if we hadn’t re-signed Dreessen. I mean, wtf?
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Texans text msg service called him a CB
Although we probably don’t have room at CB.
Where have you seen that he’s going to be a FS? NFLDraftscount called him that, but he’s pretty short for a FS, isn’t he?
Just one place I saw it
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1115231
And I think it was also mentioned in his NFL.com profile, but don’t hold me to that.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
hes a big boy
wish that video would have shown him making some pancake blocks
152
I am wondering about Javarris Williams at that spot. Or what about Ian Johnson, has he gone yet?
Johnson is still there
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
Still would like to see Rashad Jennings or James Davis
If it’s not too much work, Smithiak
- Rivers McCown
Agree
Needs to be one of those two in the fifth.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't Rashad a little too big?
Aren’t we looking in the 225 lb range? http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/predraft/2009/04/in-the-cattle-call-that.html
FWIW, Slaton had a bad speed score too.
But yeah, Brown was the better pick.
Still, rather have too big than too small at this point.
- Rivers McCown
by riversmccown on Apr 26, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true.
NT and RB, I never would have bet that we didn’t address either position before the fifth round.
Not too shocked about NT
Wasn’t wild about any of the NT’s this year.
RB…they do tend to be fungible in the Shanahan/Kubiak system, so while I’m not impressed by the waiting, I’m not surprised either.
- Rivers McCown
by riversmccown on Apr 26, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
But with a 4.5 40!
Still – I think if they really coveted him, they would have pulled the trigger in the fourth.
If not him, James Davis or wait another round and snag Ogbonnaya.
If not one of those? I have no idea.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh oh - Cowboys traded up
Which I guess they should considering how many picks they have.
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by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions
Jags have had a pretty solid draft
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by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite college player
Good luck J-Dilla.
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
Packers might go RB here
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by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:29 PM CDT reply actions
How bout Ricky Jean-Francois in the 6th?
Once thought to be a 1st round talent, could still be there in the 6th
We're going to get a complimentary back
From Steph:
"…here’s the laundry list of positions that would be handy:
- “complementary back, at some point, would be nice.”
- A running back can be taken in any round, including high if they are rated that way.
- “you would really benefit from another pass rusher-type outside guy.” Tweener OLB/DE guys are intriguing this draft.
- maybe a “situational pass rusher,” depending on a bunch of stuff.
- “I think you’ve got to take corners all the time.”
- Maybe a late round quarterback, given the Bill Walsh theory of developing QBs or maybe not.
- Impact player in the first round, solid players in second and third.
- Contract issues with current players do not affect their draft board."
Sounds more like James Davis than Jennings to me
- Rivers McCown
by riversmccown on Apr 26, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bills are the only team I see taking a RB before our pick
So Davis or Jennings should be there.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions
...they took a S
So Davis AND Jennings should be there.
If they don’t take a back there, I’ll be pretty much near convinced they like Ogbonnaya.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is the best receiver/blocker?
That’s what it will come down to.
Jennings definitely is a better receiver - they are both shitty blockers.
That’s what my research tells me.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Ogbonnaya, however
Very physical blocker, and was a receiver before he switched to RB.
So um… for the like tenth time – I’m just sayin’ – Chris Ogbonnaya.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
A guy on my site says...
Kory Sheets.
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by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:43 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t think he’s big enough, but just to put it out there.
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by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This needs to happen in steal blue
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
Uh, steel*...lol
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
I went ahead and opened a new Shiner before the pick
Just to do the opposite of the other picks….
by Shake on Apr 26, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Fellow SHSU Bearkat Bomar goes to the Gmen!
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by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions
It has to be a RB
It HAS to be – right??
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by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions
It better be
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
ANOTHER TE?
Whoa!!
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions
He's an H-back as well
And I really like Casey – but after we already drafted a TE and signed one?
Okay – NOW I’m starting to think something is up with Owen Daniels.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
Dont worry...this pick will make more sense when they draft a TE in the 6th and 7th..
Just kidding..but seriously?! This draft is all about versatility…the texans worked him out as long snapper so maybe thats the icing of why they got him?
Love it
Versatile. Another weapon for Kubiak to play with. A RB will be there in the sixth whether its the Col St guy or Ogbonnaya. A different service than the blocking tight end. Can play FB and actually catch (Leach’s GB catch not withstanding).
The Col St guy (Gartrell Johnson) is gone
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
Okay Chris
You win, they want CO or JD as rb’s, but not Jennings. Damnit.
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
Yeah, that seems to be the case.
Gotta be my guy Oggie now. Or um… you know – a TE.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 26, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I am thinking that Smithiak have just as many names floating around at RB as we do
So they think the board is saturated with them and that they can wait.
I... I just don't know what to make of this
I really liked the Casey kid but didn’t think he was an option for us. We are certainly going with a versatility theme, aren’t we? When was the last time a team drafted two TEs the year after their starting TE was a Pro Bowler?
Casey is super versatile. I hope we don’t try any Wildcat BS with him, though.
James Casey Welcome Post
Up on the main page.
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Casey is a great value
but I just don’t understand the need. how many TE’s are you going to put on the field at once?
You know... for kids.
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Is up on the main page. Let’s move the party there.
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