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What If Clay Matthews, Jr. Tested Positive For Steroids?

As noted in the comments of the other Clay Matthews, Jr. piece by one of our Niners Nation brethren (thanks, Fooch) and by Chris over at HoustonDiehards, it's being reported by NFL Draft Bible that Clay Matthews, Jr. and Brian Cushing tested positive for steroids

I do a lot of draft research, and I've never heard of this website before, so I went and checked it out.  At first it looks professionally done, but as soon as you start navigating around the different areas, it appears to be not so legit.  Therefore, I'm not going to call this fact until I hear it from a more established football organization or web site, but it's still worth asking the question, "If Clay Matthews, Jr. tested positive for steroids, would you still want to draft him?"

In all fairness, we used it as an argument against Brian Cushing, but it was in connection with the injuries he has sustained while in college.  The problem in my eyes is that if it is true, it definitely was partially responsible for his meteoric rise as a Draft prospect.  The question I ask myself is if he did test positive and was therefore on the NFL substance abuse program and subject to frequent and random drug testing, could he keep muscle on his frame and the accompanying strength without the juice?

I'm really curious to hear from you, BattleRedBloggers.  If the rumor is in fact true, would you still want to draft Clay Matthews, Jr.?  Vote your answer in the poll, and if you get a chance tell me your reason for or against in the comments.

Poll
If Clay Matthews Jr. tested positive for steroids at the Combine, would you still want the Houston Texans to draft him.
Yes, a positive testing wouldn't bother me.
78 votes
No, I wouldn't want to draft a player with baggage.
255 votes
A positive test wouldn't affect my decision either way.
64 votes

397 votes | Poll has closed

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I don’t pretend to know how rampant steroids are in nfl draftees, but unless the draftee’s position was primarily b/c of a skillset or quality that wasn’t sooo dependant on the aleged performance enhancer, I’d trade down or find legit value in someone else. A quarterback whose demonstrated an ability to make all the throws prior to of after juicing or someone who used coming off an injury, I’d knock down a bit but would still consider…BUT a perfectly-timed one year wonder whose draft-status has been primarily based on physical ability…that would be too much risk of a trapdoor in the floor on our 15th pick.

by Smittybaby on Apr 3, 2009 8:41 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Welcome to the site, Smitty. Totally agree.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 3, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I support your idealism, I really do.

But unfortunately what other option do you have at this point?

If Cushing and Matthews are both positive for steroids, that is 2 out of Houston’s 3 possible choices at pick 15. Jenkins being the only other on the board is now more likely to be picked by a team needing defense, and if he’s gone who do we take with pick 15?

Wells? Oher? Reach for Smith???

Each scenario is more painful then the next.

If this story is true, and that’s a big IF considering ESPN or Yahoo didn’t report on it before NFLDraftBible (no offense to them), then I think we should take advantage of the falling stock, trade down, and wait for one of them to fall to us at a lower pick.

"There was a pretty good group of free agent quarterbacks out there and, after studying them all, I liked the fact that he's young and I like the fact he's a mirror image of the guy we have (Matt Schaub) so when we're coaching Matt, we're coaching him, too." - Gary Kubiak on new Texans QB Dan Orlovsky

Matt Schaub = Safety Dan. We're in trouble.

by last texans fan on Apr 3, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

According to Sports Illustrated

A list of players who tested positive for abused substances will be officially released sometime prior to the draft later this month.

"There was a pretty good group of free agent quarterbacks out there and, after studying them all, I liked the fact that he's young and I like the fact he's a mirror image of the guy we have (Matt Schaub) so when we're coaching Matt, we're coaching him, too." - Gary Kubiak on new Texans QB Dan Orlovsky

Matt Schaub = Safety Dan. We're in trouble.

by last texans fan on Apr 3, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

On that same note....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/04/02/raji/index.html

BJ Raji has tested positive for a banned substance and is going to be on the list of players who tested positive. If he falls at all, which may be a possibility, he would be a steal at #15.

by MaloneyPony on Apr 3, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I will be honest

I attend a college with no division 1 sports and no football team at all, and I know at least 10 – 15 people who are taking prohormones – a steroid derivative that works damn near as well for 1/5th of the sides and no needles. The best part is they can be bought over the counter at a lot of supplement shops or over the internet completely legally. My friend Joe, who is now the backup left tackle at Baylor, went from 6’5 220 in high school, to 6’6 288 in 12 months. I’m pretty sure performance enhancing drugs are ridiculously common at the collegiate football level. Here is a list of basic available prohormones.

Compare that list with NFL banned substance list

 and NCAA banned substance list

A lot of pretty powerful compounds are not explicitly stated on the banned substance list for either organization. I’m sure the availability of these compounds and the lack of explicit banning promote the use of them, because, trust me, the results are there. For me personally, on a 1 month run of Epol, which is epistane and methyldostralone, I gained 30 lbs of relatively lean mass and kept on 22. Even if it was tested for at the collegiate level, taking it during the summer and it will easily clear your system by the time you have finished your post cycle therapy.

Basically, what this means, is I am pretty sure the vast majority of collegiate football players use some kind of “performance enhancing drug”, probably something hormone related, because its so easy to get, and very likely encouraged by win now collegiate coaches.

by Riott on Apr 3, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Your buddy...

Why would he use performance enhancers at Baylor, when he could’ve just as easily prayed about it, and gotten the same results? Silly man.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 6, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re: idealism

Having mitigated our most glaring needs through FA, I remember when the consensus was DE in the first…so I guess I’m not so sold on having to have a 1st Rd LB and I really dislike drafting one of three 1st Rd LB’s from the same school….my ideal…would be to trade down (if not out) of the 1st. I haven’t consulted the holy trade chart, but unless we had an absolute steal at 15 (& Jenkins just might qualify when you consider his versatility and the leverage we’d gain in negotiating with Dunta) my IDEAL would involve trading our 15th to Det. for their top picks in the 2nd & 3rd Rds. With DE addressed, I am of the mindset that our DEPTH is our single biggest weakness (and I’d love to grab one of those top C/G’s to solidify our line and gain at least a year under Gibbs). Its pessimistic, but as much as we tout our offense, I can’t help but think we are one injury away from a potential losing season and I can’t bear watching anymore pass plays on forth and inches. So, I’m still content with the idea of waiting til the 2nd Rd to get a LB…but, hey, what do I know…I’m just a hack addicted to reading other peoples mock drafts. So, Cheers!

by Smittybaby on Apr 3, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

I Like The Trade Of Picks Concept

I’m beginning to suspect that Smithiak’s choices in the lower rounds are better than in the higher rounds.

by kozanack on Apr 3, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Babin

During his rookie year, he was interviewed in the locker room by one of the local TV stations. He was shirtless, and I noted the rather girly-looking chest on the guy. The image was so weird, it stuck with me. The recent publicity of “gynecomastia” made me very suspicious that Babin had juiced himself up during the college years. We all know how he turned out.
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My guess is that if they are taking anything illegal,, their production will fall-off if they stop. There is also the risk of suspension. So I’d be against drafting anyone violating a steroid use policy.

by kozanack on Apr 3, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Idealism

It’s not about idealism, it’s about the fact, it’s about the lack of production when tested. Look at the vast amounts of major leaguers whose production plummetted after testing.

TT, what specifically about the site “appeared not so legit”?

by JMay on Apr 3, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

NFL Draft Bible

The main page seems professionally done, but if you look for player profiles, pro days or any of the navigation bar options, theres not much there. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was an upstart site and they’re trying to put themselves on the map by throwing out a plausible rumor.

Matthews Jr. and his agents have issued a pretty stern denial. That seems like the natural thing to do, but usually ifthe player knows he’s busted he’ll just kind of go with the flow because he knows that if he denies it and it comes out later anyway, that’s strike two. Put it this way, don’t you think it’s odd that you haven’t heard anything from Raji yet?

Let's get the Texans a better fight song.

by Jake on Apr 3, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Qui tacet consentit

He knows he has tested positive. Apparently his camp feels he has nothing to gain at this point by speaking. Steroids are rampant today not only in sports, but in society in general. My guess is that this drops his draft position only a few spots at most, maybe not even that much. I think that most coaches don’t care if their productive players are juicing, only that they can avoid popping positive. The players know that millions of dollars are at stake and in many of their minds, the risk is definitely worth the reward. A first round draft selection equates to being financially set for life.

by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 3, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prolly right...

It just translates to a clause in their contract, which wouldn’t be there otherwise. Small tweak.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 6, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

a big NO from me

and I was glad to see the results (so far) so largely opposed.

Anybody we pick will be a gamble, so lets not stack the deck against us.

We need to get a starter for the foreseeable future with that pick, or trade it.

We have needs in the offensive and defensive backfields that could use some depth at least, if there’s not an option at LB.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Apr 3, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

This is very troubling news

If this is in fact true, I would be dead set against picking Clay3 at #15. Part of his meteoric rise up the charts had to do with the perception that his frame could support another 15-25 lbs of muscle mass and give him that rare combination of size and speed. I would be concerned how sustainable his size is if he cannot continue the juice.

by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 3, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Just read Lance Z's comment about this

and although he stressed that it is premature to judge anyone before the reports have been verified, he said almost exactly the same thing I said about Clay3.

His exact quote: “If the report were to be true, I think it would hurt the stock of both players and maybe Matthews more than Cushing since there would be a question of how much weight he could keep on his frame. However, if this report ends up being false, then it won’t matter anyway.”

I really hope this is not true because I was envisioning Matthews as a stud OLB for the Texans, but if it is true, we should pass. Clay3 definitely is innocent until proven guilty, but for better or worse, our society not only places public figures under a microscope but loves to throw around negative information regardless of it’s validity. Just one of the byproducts of our freedom of speech.

by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 3, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is GREAT news

lol if ur of the camp that believe we should trade down. Chances are many teams feel the same way we do. Goodell is pretty strict on the steroids issue, so no team is wasting a 1st rounder w/ the slight incling of a huge problem lingering like this, and if some teams do, well it’s usually cuz they can afford the “risk/return” ratio, or they just like doing stupid shit in the draft. Either way, it works for us b/c then we don’t have to reach for an OLB that hasn’t had a great year of production in college and bolted to the top AFTER the season ended in prep for the combine and a pro day.

I like the previous idea of trading the pick w/ Detroit to get their 3rd and 2nd, here we just go best player available for ANY position. Imagine if Clay is available @ the 33rd pick…that’s a legit spot to pick him. Or what if Donald Brown is there? Who cares? take him, he’s a perfect complement to Steve, we didn’t reach, and we can use our other picks including the extra one to grab another guy at a position of need. Matthews stock getting hurt can ONLY be a good thing for the Texans, especially if they actually want him. There’s no question the kid’s got talent, and physical tools: steroids or not. The only question is, are we going to take him while passing on something better? Or is he worth the risk @ 15, if he’s taken steroids…his production does not justify the pick even the slightest, it’d be an emphatic ‘no.’ In the 2nd round: He or Cushing are steals, that’s despite what anyone thinks.

by wiseonekms on Apr 6, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

WAIT, WAIT

apparently, the agency representing Clay has stated that THEY have not been contacted by the NFL regarding the alleged positive tests. Before we continuing castigating Clay, let’s just be sure that he indeed juiced. And, the only way we can be 100% certain is if the NFL comes out with a statement.

He deserves the benefit of the doubt, yes?

by dearsiryes on Apr 3, 2009 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I think this is a hypothetical

not an indictment.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Apr 3, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Irresponsibility of the Media

These jackasses in the media have to write something to justify there existence and nothing beats a good “Rumor” because you can speculated til the cows come home. I’m sure the recipients of these rumors really appreciate having there names drug through the mud and no matter the outcome this will stay with them there entire careers thanks to the sports media.
Well I heard a "Rumor" that John McClain molests housecats…don’t worry John, my source is solid; somebody told me, that somebody told them, that they heard it from another person who found out from there grandmother (she has since passed away so we can’t absolutely confirm it, but I heard she was very honest and would never fabricate a story like this) JK

Clay & Brian,
  Take solace in knowing that there is no such thing as "Bad Press" just Bad Media Folk

by Hangbok on Apr 4, 2009 1:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe Barwin could come into play now

The Texans have been looking primarily at USC’s duo, but Connor Barwin out of Cinci might be the best pick at OLB if these guys test positive. I’ve seen some reports that ranked him higher than Matthews and Cushing before this “scandal”.

"There was a pretty good group of free agent quarterbacks out there and, after studying them all, I liked the fact that he's young and I like the fact he's a mirror image of the guy we have (Matt Schaub) so when we're coaching Matt, we're coaching him, too." - Gary Kubiak on new Texans QB Dan Orlovsky

Matt Schaub = Safety Dan. We're in trouble.

by last texans fan on Apr 6, 2009 7:53 AM CDT reply actions  

From what I can tell...

barwin is STRICTLY a 3-4 OLB. In the 4-3, he’s a DE.
He looks way too awkward standing up, and I can’t imagine he has the “fluid hips” they speak so much about with LBs. Didn’t see his full workout, though. Just looked to be a full-time pass rusher. Albeit, a good one, so they say.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 6, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

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