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Put On Your Smithiak Hat: What Would You Pay DeMeco Ryans, Owen Daniels, And/Or Dunta Robinson?

Much has been written, here and elsewhere, about the ongoing contract drama with DeMeco Ryans, Owen Daniels, and Dunta Robinson. What we haven't really delved into, however, is what you, the Houston Texans fan, would pay those guys if you were spending Bob McNair's money. As such, I figure it's high time we put our fanaticism to the test.

So put on your best Rick Smith hat and tell us in the Comments below: What would be the terms of the best and final contract offer you'd make DeMeco, OD, and/or Dunta? Keep in mind that we're talking NFL contracts, so the guaranteed money is the key. As a yardstick, here are what appear to be the current most lucrative multi-year linebacker, tight end, and cornerback deals. Although those deals are not determinative, you know that each player's respective agent is using those numbers as a guide.

Make the call, BRB. If you're Rick Smith, what's your final offer to each of the aforementioned disenchanted Texans?

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That's a tough one

For Ryans, i’d say a 6 year $45 million contract keeping the salary more or less level throughout at around $7.5 mil per year and the first 4 seasons guarunteed so around $30 mil. That’s ALOT of guarunteed money, and because of that i’d expect him to happilly accept the offer and to be perfectly honest, he deserves it. He’s one of the best MLBs in the game and just the way he’s handled his contract situation this summer shows me that he’s exactly the kind of player i’d want on my team and would throw everything including the kitchen sink to keep him. Character like that doesn’t fall from the trees, it’d be foolish to let him go or even to feel underappreciated.

Daniels, maybe a slightly rear heavy contract for 6 years and $30 million with four seasons guarunteed so maybe like $18 mil guarunteed. I think this is more than fair, even though it’s a little less than what Winslow got from the Bucs. Daniels is a great young receiving TE, if we sign him up for the next 4-6 years it’d be likely that he’s clearly one of the best at his position by the time we renegotiate so the contract should reflect those expectations a bit. With Daniels I think he mostly wants security and this would give him that.

Robinson gets a heavilly rear-heavy contract for 5 years and $42 mil with 3 guarunteed for a salary of around $18-$19 mil. He might not like it, but there’s no way i’d offer him more without seeing how he performs this season as he never really came back to 100% last year.

by Bryan72076 on Jul 1, 2009 12:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I have an entire post about the salary cap and their contract implications

that I was about to post, so I will throw out my numbers here and post the article sometime later this week.

Demeco Ryans – Six year, $48 million. 24 million Guaranteed.

Dunta Robinson – Four-year, $16.8 million contract. 8.5 million Guaranteed.

Owen Daniels – Six-year, $30 million contract. 14 million Guarenteed.

by Riott on Jul 1, 2009 1:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with Riott almost exactly...

though I would put Dunta’s guaranteed money at $7MM and then load up incentives to make up the difference.

Oh, and I’d prefer only 5 years on OD, but the overall amounts Riott has seem right in line.

One other thought: Bart Scott is a 3-4 LB (and is versatile enough to play any of the 4 LB spots in the 3-4), so I don’t know that you can really use his deal as a guide.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jul 1, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concerning Bart Scott and his contract correlation to Demeco

When writing Demecos contract, I decided to try and get a slightly more expensive Lofa Tatupu / Leeroy Hill contract as they are closer to Demeco in terms of ability, and it turned out to be right around Scott’s. So I think it is fair market value.

by Riott on Jul 1, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Dunta ever take such a deal? He gets more from the franchise tag for a single season then you are offering in guaranteed money over the entire four year deal…

by killtacular on Jul 1, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Here's what we should do:

DeMeco – 6 years, 48 million – 24 guaranteed – like Riott says. Sign DeMeco to another 6 year contract at the 4 year mark to ensure that he is the first Texan in the Hall of Fame(wishful thinking)
Owen – 6 years, 38 million – 18 guaranteed – by the time the contract is up James Casey may have taken his spot or they might be the best TE tandum in the NFL.
Dunta – 6 years, 52 million – 12 guaranteed – Let Dunta prove that he is going to get healthy and stay that way to make his money.

by Cactus Jack Sancho on Jul 1, 2009 1:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's all in the details:

Regardless of how much money you offer these guys the contract details are what make or break the deal. In the case of Ryans, I would want a deal where he doesn’t make as much upfront but has performance bonuses tied to every year of the contract, i.e. extra money for X number of tackles in a season/interceptions/fumble recoveries. Dunta would get the same kind of offer, if your as good as your telling me then the performance bonuses would actually get you more money every year. Owen Daniels is a slightly different case since as a TE he has no guarantee that the ball will come his way in a given game, so maybe something along the lines of bonuses for yac/first downs/TD’s/plays over 15 yards in length.

The point here is to stop the “I going to work my a** off the first year of my new contract and the last year but coast the middle of it” mindset that a lot of players seem to have now a days. I am not saying these guys do but you never know.

by exsquid on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Background

What’s the Texans’ financial status versus the cap? How much money do they have to spend? Without knowing the answers to those questions it’s hard to answer the question about what to pay these players. You have to factor in not only what they are paid, but what it will cost to pay players coming down the pike, such as Slaton. What will Cushing get paid? There has to be an estimate based on the 15th selection last year. Sorry, I don’t feel like doing the research. But you’d have to look at the whole database of numbers to make an informed decision. Keeping DeMeco is a given, but you may want to let Owen and Dunta go in lieu of losing Slaton or Mario down the road. Versus those two, Owen and Dunta are more replaceable.

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

re: Salary Cap status

Keith has the best summary (by far) that I have ever seen regarding the Texans’ cap figures:

http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap.html

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStroKets!

by Shake on Jul 1, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!!

They only have about $10 million of cap space left? Thats not a whole lot.

Of course that includes OD at $2,792,000 and D-Rob at $9,957,000, so if you are reworking contracts, you are going to have around $22.5 million to play with. And the is no Cushing or Barwin on that list. I’m not sure who else is missing.

by distant_texans_fan on Jul 1, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Cushing & Barwin

I don’t think that matters. Isn’t there some sort of exclusion to the cap for rookies?

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStroKets!

by Shake on Jul 1, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Believe

That rookies are paid out of a separate, rookie pool.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jul 2, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Seperate....

The Rookie pool is a part of the overall salary cap. Have a read of the following link if you want to know a little more, but being a lawyer and mathematician helps.
http://www.thesportjournal.org/article/nfl-rookie-cap-empirical-analysis-one-nfls-most-closely-guarded-secrets

Effectively, the CBA says you can pay your rookie what ever you want, as long as his and all other rookie salaries don’t exceed the total team rookie pool. It also says that the rookie pool allocation for any player is based on his Round and Pick, but you can pay him what ever you want.

eg. (A two round draft, just to be simple)

The Texans pick Rnd 1, pick 15 and Rnd 2, pick 14.
The NFL says, those picks are worth $1.25mil and $625k. The texans have a rookie pool worth $1.875mil. Now feel free to pay them anything you like, just not more than that.

by distant_texans_fan on Jul 3, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeMeco.

Clutchfans.net - Chuck 4
TexansTalk.com - Frak The Jags

by Mike Kerns on Jul 1, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mario.

"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady

Still waiting...

by DreKeem on Jul 2, 2009 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My mom.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jul 2, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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