Riddle Me This: Which QB Would You Want Under Center In '09 Over Matt Schaub?
We're neck-deep in the offseason doldrums again, which means it's as good a time as any for to have the kind of discussions you'd have with your buddies over beers (or root beer floats, if you're not the boozing type). So riddle me this, BRB: Which QB(s) would you rather have quarterbacking your Houston Texans in 2009 over Matt Schaub? Note that I said "in 2009." I'm not talking about having someone for the next three, five, or ten seasons. Just next year. Who would you rather have?
Me? I'd rather have these QBs, and only these QBs, under center for the Texans in 2009 over Matt Schaub. In no particular order:
1. Peyton Manning2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Ben Roethlisberger
Annnnnd...that's it. You read that right. Not Romo. Not Rivers. Not E. Manning. Not McNabb. Not Warner (though for a single season, with the weapons the Texans boast on offense, he might be the toughest omission from this list).
Does this make me a complete honk for The Schaub? Or am I being rational? You tell me in the Comments below by posting your own list.
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Sorry,
You can have Ben
Sincerely,
The Steelers
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Jun 5, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NOt really...
i guess i would take someone that can take a licking
keep on tickin and move around a bit in the pocket.
That would point me to Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler,
or Donovan McNabb even tho he does get hurt
from time to time. I would say Vick but he has a
laser and you cant really ask him to throw into
coverage and cant lob and place the ball over the
outside shoulder Thats his worset attribute but
everything else is good.
by jb_inatx on Jun 5, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everything else is good about Vick
Seriously? You can’t find anything bad about Vick except the fact that he can’t place the ball over the outside shoulder? lol
If you think about it and still can’t come up with anything bad, let me know, I’ve got a whole list of things.
Former New Orleans Saints RB George Rogers
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first"
by stuart0908 on Jun 5, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to hear them....
but mainly I’d like to hear someone go all PETA-style in this forum. I’m doubting you’ll win the sympathy votes you might be expecting, if that’s your angle. Feel free to indulge, though.
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by beefy on Jun 5, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your 4, plus
Rivers, Cutler, McNabb, and Aaron Rodgers.
I think Schaub fits in right around with those 4 guys talent-wise, but he’s had more problems staying on the field.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement
by riversmccown on Jun 5, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vince Young
David Carr
Alex Smith
Matt Leinart
Tim Tebow
When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 5, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I should hope so...
Because he’s laying it on PRETTY thick!
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by beefy on Jun 5, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d go with a getting picks for Schuab (or trying to recoup the ones we lost) and pick up Troy Smith after his contract expires (that’s when I’d move Schaub). He looked more than servicable in starting the Dolphins last three games in that terrible season two years back. They hadn’t won a game until he played and would have one two of those three if it wasn’t for a missed last second chip shot FG he drove them down for. His legs seemed to be back after fattening up for his last ever collegiant game (the NC against FLA). He has better arm strength, athletisism, and is world’s tougher. The knock on him coming out was his size. I continue to watch guys like Schaub that are taller but can’t throw in rythem at times or know where his lanes will be (that can be a line problem) and get more balls knocked down than the likes of a Brees or Troy. Also, Schaub is a Fragile bean pole and still doesn’t out weigh the weight room junkie Smith. Which may account for why Schaub will go down so much easier, but I think that has more to do with being a wuss.
by seafus26 on Jun 5, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really went a different way on that one, didn't you?
I’m sorry to hear about Shaub boning your sister and kicking your dog, dude. It sucks.
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by beefy on Jun 5, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Troy Smith? On the Dolphins?
I’m pretty sure you have absolutely no idea what or who you’re talking about.
by Nashmeister on Jun 6, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troy Smith
TS is awesome. That guy could throw a watermelon through a key hole. I once saw him throw a football 150 yards with his left hand…It’s been rumored that the doesn’t wear a left knee pad, he just wraps his penis up and stuffs it in that little pocket for the pad….Seriously, Peyton, Tom, Eli, Kurt, Drew, none of em have anything on TS.
by Peckerwood911 on Jun 14, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
E. Manning shouldn’t even be in the discussion. He’s a decent QB when he had Plax there to jump above everyone else and get his wild off-target throws. The talent is just not there though and while he may be a decent QB with Andre, he’s definitely not as good as Schaub.
Same with Warner. Replace Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Breaston with an average receiving corps and he’s terrible.
by was385 on Jun 5, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eli Manning
I just wanted to comment on your statement. Thus far into his career, his numbers actually rival Peyton’s numbers so far. Did anyone say he wasn’t that good of a quarterback six years into his career? Now I’m not saying that he’s better than Peyton, but you definitely can’t say he’s not as good as Schaub until Schaub proves that he can stay healthy and put up the kind of numbers Eli has and won a super bowl.
Former New Orleans Saints RB George Rogers
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first"
by stuart0908 on Jun 5, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edit:
The Giants monsterous defensive (especially that rediculously deep D Line they had) won a Superbowl. SEVERAL other average quarterbacks could have done the same job in my opinion.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Artest4Prez on Jun 5, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I live in CT
So I watch a lot of Giants games and when Plaxico isn’t on the field, he looks like he should be battling for a backup spot on some team. I don’t care about the numbers, the only thing that has saved him from being god awful is having an incredibly tall WR and now he doesn’t have that.
by was385 on Jun 5, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong...
They drafted Hakeem Nicks, who is pretty tall (6’ or 6’1, not huge but tall enough) and got the freak from Cal Poly, Ramses Barden (6’6 or so).
Not saying they’ll be as good as Plax, but that was not your argument.
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by beefy on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
So they got a normal sized wide receiver and a really tall one who will RARELY see the field. Ok, that still doesn’t give Manning a tall receiver to throw to. So thanks for the…. clarification?
And btw, Nicks is not tall enough, Manning’s accuracy is not good, which is why he’s needed Plax. He always threw off-target balls that would have been picked off had Plax not just been able to reach up and get it over the corner.
by was385 on Jun 5, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Not saying they’ll be as good as Plax, but that was not your argument."
Did you miss that part of my comment, because it was kind of important.
You said they didn’t have any, and I’m saying they do, in fact, have tall receivers on the roster. Did we really need to debate this, dude?
Oh yeah, that’s why I added the comment quoted above.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Jun 5, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so pretty much
You understood what I meant but still wanted to be a tool and tell me I was wrong? This is why I hate commenting on blogs.
by was385 on Jun 5, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You prolly hate it...
because you don’t say what you mean, and people have to sift through your words to decipher it, and then you get all up in arms when they call you on the mis-speak. You’re right… completely my fault. All apologies.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Jun 5, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, because
you would have obviously put in that little disclaimer in the end if you really had not known what I was saying. Why does a keyboard and anonymity bring out the tool in everyone?
by was385 on Jun 5, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno...
Is something wrong with your keyboard? Doesn’t appear to be from where I’m sitting.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Jun 5, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Now that's how you do it! That's how you debate!"
-Frank “The Tank” Ricard
You know... for kids.
by Jake on Jun 6, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tool
I find that to be the most retarded insult ever created. It’s a generic term for monkeys that don’t know how to voice their displeasure so they just randomly spit out the word, “tool tool neener neener you’re a tool, fag!”
And why the name calling anyway? Beefy might be pissing you off, but he’s not name calling so why go there? Can’t have a conversation with someone disagreeing with you without stomping your feet and banging your head and so creatively calling him a “tool”?
Beefy is wrong, he’s nit picking, and you’re a puss for not being able to just not respond once you identified that. Drama on boards like this is stupid. Funny too though…I’m having a good time aren’t you?
by Peckerwood911 on Jun 14, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good list, for now
I wouldn’t change the list much. Donovan “Screen to Westbrook, 80 yd TD, look how good McNabb was on that little five yard flick” McNabb would definately not be on the list. I think Schaub should be kinda worried with the QB draft class coming out next year though. They may pick up someone to “groom.” Gives Schaub a year or two to show the staff something.
by sammocyr on Jun 5, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of
McNabb and that 5 yard flick – I bet Steve Slaton is a player they would LOVE to have on their team now that Westbrook is starting to see the end of his career (or so everyone says.)
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Artest4Prez on Jun 5, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider the offense we run...
and I think you can remove Peyton, Warner, and Brady and supplant them with Cutler, Rivers, and possibly Romo (damn, that hurt to squeeze out).
Our QBs HAVE to be able to move on the naked bootleg, and the three I’m discounting have spent as much time out of the pocket as I have in supermodel Vag.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Jun 5, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to admit it
but I’d agree about Romo. He almost gets BETTER on the scramble. It’s really uncanny.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Artest4Prez on Jun 5, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking when I saw the list
You can rule out Rothalsiigreasiegrg as well
by ~Buck on Jun 5, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way...
Big kid can move. Well.
Not fast, mind you, but he can get out if he needs to.
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by beefy on Jun 5, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but so can Brady, maybe even better
by ~Buck on Jun 5, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
A. Brady usually never needs to move.
B. Didn’t he run something like a 5.5 forty at the combine? I mean, it was the slowest one I’ve ever heard of from a non-lineman.
Much like my argument above, this in no way says he sucks because he’s obviously quite proficient, but a mover/shaker he is not.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Jun 8, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me you meant Brees...
I omitted him and shouldn’t have. He good.
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by beefy on Jun 8, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo
Naaa, Romo isn’t better then Matty. Put a blond in the stands with a nice rack and that guy couldn’t hit a blimp with a shot gun.
by Peckerwood911 on Jun 14, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm bettin..
Schaub stays on the field this year. After the way he came back post asshole knee dives, I think and hope he understands the toughness it’s going to take in order to get this Texans team to the next level.
As far as Tim’s list, no way I take Ben over Matt. I would definetly take Warner as that 4th qb, maybe the 1st.
GO TEXANS!!!!
This is the year.......
by Texanmaniac on Jun 5, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
Warner could do just as well in Houston with Andre and his sidekicks.
by Peckerwood911 on Jun 14, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My answer
No one. Towards the end of last season Schaub showed us all why the Kubes has so much faith in him. What die hard Texan fan is not gonna always remember his 400 yard performance in Green Bay in sub-zero temperatures or the first time the cameras actually showed him yelling at his teammates to try and get them psyched up? I don’t think I’m being overly optimistic by saying that IF he can stay healthy, Schaub has a chance to be very very good for a long time. For some reason, my gut tells me that he isn’t just some flash in the pan, but that he’s someone who is building his way towards becoming an elite quarterback. Another thing, he’s OUR guy and while Manning is without a doubt the best pure passer in football today (and maybe ever) I’m content with Schaub because his game still has a lot of room to grow and he’s a winner who works hard and doesn’t create any drama.
I guess if I absolutely had to respond to the question posed by this post, I’d say Peyton Manning and probably no one else, and certainly not Troy Smith.
by DocTexan on Jun 5, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Nice
GO TEXANS!!!!
This is the year.......
by Texanmaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec
for everything but especially the bit about Troy Smith. Screw THE Ohio State University.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Artest4Prez on Jun 5, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The entire state of Michigan approves of this.
"He walked 18."
"New league record!"
"Struck out 18."
"Another new league record! In addition he hit the sportswriter, the public address announcer, the bull mascot twice...also new league records! But, Joe, this guy's got some serious shit."
by Elephande on Jun 5, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree Agree
Can’t wait to see him and AJ put up 6 all year long.
by BruiserTexans on Jun 5, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You knew SOMEONE would do it...
Thanks alot, Doc, for making all of us feel like crap.
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by beefy on Jun 5, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is all true
But I’d rather have Akili Smith.
When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 5, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Matt "The Bod" Schaub
Let me tell everyone something. “IF” Matt and his weapons stay healthy for 14-16 games he will have 4000 yards passing, a 65% completion rate, 25-30 TD passes, and around 10-15 interceptions. He’s ready to make his move. DIG IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rumplestiltskin
by jahunter221 on Jun 5, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm Easy answer here..
Easily I would take…
Anderson from the Browns…(his first half of the season)
Vince Young ( before he got benched)
Dan Orlowsky ( especially when he scored a safety on himself.
Chris Simms..( He’s really really good)
and of course my final QB pick goes to the best QB in the NFL and if we could clone humans we should clone this man 32 times and put him on every team….DRUM ROLL PLEASE……
DAVID CARR!!!! WOOOOOO
by schillingb on Jun 5, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have no issue with Matt Schaub
In fact I think he might make the ProBowl this year if the Texans make a run for the playoffs like I expect (hope) them to do. I don’t know who is really better but I think it is a two horse race between Peyton and Brady. I think Peyton is better but I have a deep hatred for the man being that he has owned us so I think I will go with Brady.
Like I said before though, I expect Schaub to stay healthy and our 3rd ranked offense to improve and do some really exciting and talked about things this year.
Go Texans!
by wasteph on Jun 6, 2009 8:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably three of those.
I’m a huge Brees fan. I think he does a lot without much talent around him; Devery Henderson? C’mon. And does anyone really think Colston is as good as his numbers suggest? Brees makes that team.
As much as we love to hate Manning, he’s one of the greatest ever. And Brady might have played in a stacked system a couple years ago, but he’s legit.
I might take Carson Palmer or Cutler, but nobody else. Rivers had the numbers last year, but he’s the epitome of YAC. Whether it’s screen passes to LT or Sproles, or lobs (seriously, the guy can’t get any zip on the ball) to Gates, he’s constantly getting bailed out by an incredibly talented offense.
I’d say no on Roethlisberger too. I think he gets a bad rap from the people who say that the Steelers only win because of their defense. He’s certainly not on that Vince Young level, but he has some serious David Carr syndrome when it comes to holding onto the ball too long.
But as it stands, we have a pretty favorable QB situation right now. After Brees, Brady, and Manning, I think there’s a group of about ten QBs who are on pretty similar footing, and I’d say Schaub falls right in there. It’s hard to make a case for him being genuinely better than some of those others (Rodgers, Cutler, etc.), but I don’t think you can make a case the other way either.
by Nashmeister on Jun 6, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon guys...
I like Schaub too, but you can’t really be serious, can you?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 7, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is absurd...
to believe that going into this season Matt Schaub is the 5th best QB in the NFL. He hasn’t even been healthy for a full season as a starter, much less taken a team to the playoffs, made a pro bowl, etc. Players like Rivers, Eli, Romo, McNabb have playoff experience and pro bowls under their belts and have all had more success in the NFL than the Schaub has come close to thus far. Schaub absolutely has potential, but hasn’t proven jack shit to this point.
by erikj07 on Jun 8, 2009 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying that.
I’m saying that after the top 3, there’s a big jumble of fairly even QBs. Some are on their way up and might play better than they did last year (Schaub fits into that category), others are on their way out (Mcnabb, Warner). Some have gotten mediocre results out of the most stacked offenses in football (Rivers, Romo), others inherited the league’s 26th-ranked passing offense and made it respectable (Schaub).
I can’t make a genuine case that Schaub is better than those players. But the question is, who would be best for the Texans next season? I won’t deny that Brees, Manning, and probably Brady would succeed anywhere. But I really don’t see any other QBs who have gotten more out of less. Our offensive line isn’t as bad as Carr made it seem back in the day, but they still force our quarterbacks to ditch the ball early way more often than Brady or Rivers have to.
The only reason I’d ever consider trading him for somebody else would be the durability issues. But looking at it, Carson Palmer and Brady both just missed full seasons with knee injuries. McNabb was miraculously healthy last year, but that certainly hasn’t been the case recently. Aaron Rodgers, Flacco, and Matt Ryan have proved about as much as Schaub. Rivers floats the ball and has a cooch. I don’t think Romo the choke-artist has ever won a game in December. Eli has a ring, but that’ll happen when you have a top ten running game and defense. Don’t even get me started on Matt Cassel. And I just don’t think guys like Delhomme, Bulger, Hasselbeck, and Pennington are going to play at as high a level as Schaub next year.
That leaves Brees, Cutler, Manning, and possibly Roethlisberger and Warner. Now, much of this is subjective, and that’s how it’ll have to be. But if you’d like to do it based on stats like QB rating or even YPA (generally acknowledged as the best determinant of QB effectiveness), I’m y’r huckleberry.
by Nashmeister on Jun 8, 2009 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(tilting head slightly)
Really?!?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 8, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that you’re a Texans fan. Flacco and Ryan have proven more than Schaub to this point (due to the fact that each has stayed healthy an entire season and taken their respective teams to the playoffs), McNabb isn’t any more injury prone than Schaub is, therefore you can’t use that against him so long as you’re making a claim for Schaub (who hasn’t had a SINGLE healthy year since being a starter). Romo, Palmer and Rivers are better QBs at this point than the Schaub is for reasons which I’ve already mentioned. Romo is better than Cutler, which is curious since you would for sure take Cutler over Romo. For you to say that “possibly” you would take Roethlisberger over Schaub almost caused me to not even put for the effort to reply to your comment. I won’t even get into that.
by erikj07 on Jun 8, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh.
McNabb is 32 years old, and before last season he had finished 14, 10, and 9 games in his last three seasons. He’s taken a beating throughout his career; I’d put my money on Schaub staying healthy over him.
I’d take Cutler over Romo because, again, Cutler did more with less last year. He and Warner are the only two good QBs out there who had to deal with a worse defense than Schaub. Which of course, brings up Roethlisberger. I like the guy, believe me. But there’s a big difference in playing with arguably the best defense of the decade versus one of the worst in football. I don’t think he would have won eight games as a Texan last year. That’s not to mention the 45+ sacks he seems to take every year. And let’s not play the offensive-line blame game like so many people did back in the day with Carr; Roethlisberger simply holds onto the ball too long. That doesn’t fly when you’ve got Duane Brown playing left tackle; you need a QB who makes quick reads and decisions, and Schaub fits that mold.
Flacco is in the same boat. Again, I like the guy. But by all accounts, he played like a rookie last year. That’s fine, he got his licks and I think he’ll improve this year. But the only reason he “lead” his team to the playoffs is because of that 3rd-ranked defense.
I’d probably take Palmer. But if we’re talking about injury-prone, this is a guy who had his knee absolutely destroyed a few years ago, then missed another twelve games last season.
I can’t statistically defend why I’m down on Rivers, but c’mon… Just watch the guy. Andre Johnson is a busy man; he doesn’t have time to wait around for the patented Rivers floater to land. Now, I actually think Romo is a pretty good QB, which begs the question: why can’t he win a playoff game? Furthermore, why did a completely crap the bed last year in week 17? He’s another player who, by all accounts, played on a stacked team. I don’t like to refer to people as choke-artists after two disasters, but nobody’s going to mistake him for Joe Montana.
Once again, I’m not saying that Schaub is a better QB than all of those guys. I’m saying that I wouldn’t risk the change, because we’re getting pretty damn-good QB play when he’s healthy. I wouldn’t trust any of those other guys to step into the same situation and produce better results, aside from maybe being healthy enough to save us from the Rosencopter.
by Nashmeister on Jun 9, 2009 12:49 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Survey Say's........
Payton and Brady are no brainer’s. I mean come on now, who wouldn’t want the two best QB’s currently active under center. Everyone else on the list or mentioned ( I’ll get to Carr in a minute ) have pro’s and con’s so they are all a wash. Now on to the Carr wreak. I like the guy, if I had a time machine and could go back and get him 1 minute after he was drafted and bring him to Kubes and Gibbs to train for the next few weeks with our O line now, I MIGHT, REPEAT MIGHT take him. To take a gun shy QB and expect him to suddenly be a gunslinger is just a pipe dream.
by exsquid on Jun 9, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Schaub is a joke?
First all those quarterbacks named are twice as good and proven. I am sure all you Texans fans would gladly take Eli Manning (Superbowl Winner), Jay Cutler (Pro Bowl), Matt Cassel (Fantastic Debut), Rivers (Enough Said, and McNabb ( Proven Winner). Gimme a break, your stuck with Schuab and stop trying to make him out to be something he isn’t. Kinda like how the Texas fans made Vince Young out to be the next best thing, he’ ll be lucky not to put a bullet in his head.
by boggs on Jun 11, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
boggs, you're holding back. Say what you really feel.
It’s a good way to relieve stress.
It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!
by oiler-texan diehard on Jun 14, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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