Memo To Owen Daniels: Don't Go Dunta On Us
When a Texan is hoping for a new contract, it's not generally a good idea to get compared to Dunta Robinson. Especially in the headline to a story reporting on how you're no longer attending OTAs.
As much as I wish Owen Daniels was taking the DeMeco Ryans approach to his contract woes, I'm not going to bite OD's head off for deciding to walk away from voluntary workouts. He's not required to be there, and I can't blame the guy (or, more likely, his agent) for attempting to use what little leverage exists (remember--OD has been tendered at the highest level; it's not like he's an unrestricted free agent) to his advantage. Contract negotiations are business, and I understand that.
What I will take issue with is OD taking a page out of the Dunta Robinson School of Public Relations and posting needlessly inflammatory accusations of unfairness on his Facebook page. What benefit comes out of complaining publicly about "unfairness on the Texans side?" Or writing inane generalities like "sometimes you just have to stick up for yourself?" Does OD really think that people are going to read that and become convinced that the organization is out to screw him?
Look at what bitching publicly has done for Dunta Robinson. He's managed to turn a significant portion, if not the vast majority, of the fan base against him. The fact of the matter is that this is a battle OD can't win right now. From the player's perspective, no good can come out of criticizing his employer at this point. As with Dunta, the team holds all the cards. Why unnecessarily inflame an inherently delicate situation? Daniels needs to look at Dunta's handling of a similar scenario for what it is: A cautionary tale, not a model on how to conduct oneself during negotiations.
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I'm with Owen on this one
He showed up for three weeks, risking injury – and he stands to get absolutely screwed on June 15th – though that’s obviously very unlikely.
Now – again – if he wants Winslow money? Goodbye and good luck.
Winslow – 6 yrs, 36s million, 20 million guaranteed. Forget it. In fact, if he wants something very, very close to that – goodbye and good luck.
What about 6 yrs, 30 mil, with 12 mil guaranteed?
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Jun 9, 2009 11:45 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Right on
I completely agree with everything you said here but I just want to point out that Rick Smith took the high road…again. I don’t know what he’s like behind closed doors but he seems to be smart and fair in negotiations.
And come on OD, facebook? Really?!? That’s the forum teenagers and college kids use to bitch about their girlfriends after they got dumped. It’s certainly not a way to express your misguided feelings about your boss or the company you work for. Many a person has been fired for things like that.
Be upset, don’t attend voluntary workouts, but for God’s sake be a man and just tell a reporter that it’s business, it’s not personal and that you would still like to play out your career in Houston. Don’t forget that there are two young guys that were drafted who have some potential and that TE is one of the more easily replaceable positions on the field.
I want the man to get paid and watch him play for 10 more years in a Texans uniform, but you’re right, this is certainly a wrong way to go about your business.
by DocTexan on Jun 9, 2009 11:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Owen Daniels is NOT easily replaceable
I don’t know where this attitude comes from (not necessarily you, Doc, but in general) that James Casey or Hill or anyone else can just step in and be Owen Daniels. No way. OD has a FANTASTIC ability to find the seams – that’s not just something that every TE can do… plus he’s gotten better as a blocker every season. A guy with his build, speed, vision, and hands – AND a good blocker?
Not only is he not easily replaceable – he’s IMO the main cog that really makes our pass offense go.
James Casey is talented… so what? Does that mean he can be Owen Daniels. HELL no… and I think we already know that Hill and Dreessen aren’t ever going to be the complete TE that OD is.
Now – if there’s a choice between having to overpay OD or DeMeco – I’m taking DeMeco.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Jun 9, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
I might have misspoken a little bit, I think OD is a fantastic talent and I really don’t think anyone on our roster could just step in and take his place. I think in a misguided way I wanted to say the same thing you are, I’d give Demeco $20+ mil guaranteed but wouldn’t for OD. Also, there’s a reason that the franchise tender for TE’s is among the lowest, their relative value compared to some of the other positions is lower so paying him something in the same league as Winslow would be ludicrous.
by DocTexan on Jun 10, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure Kubiak believes this
It appears (by a few things, not the least of which is their dearth of RB’s drafted) that Kubiak is of the opinion that the talent is less important than the system. We put a body there, and he will produce. There being offensive skill positions.
He has a lot of confidence in his system, and for good reason. He picked the leader in Schaub, and the rest was just the best we can get on the offensive side of the ball. It hasn’t appered that Kubiak feels he needs the talent at those positions.
I agree that OD is not easily replaced. But I also had him on my fantasy team last year, so don’t sell me on the fact that he was a huge part of this offense last year. I wish he was a LOT more of a factor.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Jun 10, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, come on.
That’s ridiculous and you know it. OD does a ton of stuff that doesn’t have its own fantasy football category. The combination if he and AJ running around in the secondary is a huge reason why our offense goes.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Jun 10, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, I don't know it
I wish he was more of a factor. I stand by that. He is not easily replaced, I stand by that also.
We should have passed him the ball a LOT more last year.
We should use the talent that is OD a LOT more this year than last.
He was a fourth round pick also, so maybe there is something to the system argument, but thats not the point of your argument, I don’t think.
I think babyShan will use him more in 2009. I hope he does, cuz OD is more valuable than his 2008 stats. And he made the Pro Bowl!!
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Jun 11, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantasy points
I know he lost me a bunch cause, with all the good things he did, he fumbled quite a bit. Turned it over twice I believe in one of their early losses. I always thought he was overrated by media and pro-bowl voters but his contract is pretty good.
by sammocyr on Jun 12, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define "Contract" lol
Looking forward to not having an 8-8 year!
by BattleRedHusker on Jun 14, 2009 5:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol @ the facebook link.
i mean really? I certainly hope OD isnt listening to the people who delivered us such gems as
“Show them that you dont need them, but they need YOU”..
im pretty sure that about 1/3 of the teams out there suck bad enough to see his numbers fall and 1/3 the teams out there have TE’s that arnt gonna be benched for OD. so im not sure what sort of statement that is.
but the real killer was
and while you’re at it, can we somehow make it possible for a. weave to stay in houston?! for the sake of the team and our social lives.
I think i just had a stroke reading that. so many different dimensions of ‘wrong’ in there. primarily the thing about “keeping Corpse for the sake of the team” clearly OD is getting an injection of ignorance from these “Friends”. I say we tell TJ that the friends are like the scarecrow and are trying to get courage while he’s not looking. TJ will then proceed to show them the error of their ways via violence, he goes to jail for a long long time, and then i wake up with a bottle of JD in my hand.
Looking forward to not having an 8-8 year!
by BattleRedHusker on Jun 9, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seeing Anthony Weaver just cracked me up, and I don’t know why.
by cubic on Jun 10, 2009 2:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Position Hedging
Not only have they drafted a tight end that can replace Daniels, they’ve also acquired a number of corner backs. Anyone who holds out through camp is only hurting himself. So what me worry, they can hold out for all I care. The only downside is you don’t want players on the field that don’t want to play for you.
Sigs, the play ground of mindless philosophers.
by Tomriffic on Jun 10, 2009 7:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
part of me wonders if all these contract struggles is a positive sign
i know its unfortunate to have folks missing OTA’s etc, but does anyone think that if you step back and look at the situation from a franchise health standpoint, that the Texans struggling with coming to terms with players is a sign of increasing fiscal discipline and use of leverage, which in a salary capped universe is not such a bad thing, is it?
It means headaches for sure, but the organization seems to be paying folks when it has no leverage (ala, Smith or D Anderson or mediocre FA’s) and reigning in the purse strings a bit when the Tezans are clearly in the drivers seat. So long as the Texans continue to get deeper and more competitive overall, I see it as a positive sign that the Texans are asserting themselves rather than playing pure victims of the market. When we have the depth to let a high-calibre player go b/c they are worth more on the market than they are to us…then we have reached the position that the elite teams and perrinial contenders are in. Our Texan’s success is not hijackproof yet, but we seem to be enroute to getting there, so I don’t think holdouts are an entirely bad sign.
by Smittybaby on Jun 10, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's positive...
In the sense that we actually have low-paid players performing at a high level; in other words, we’re finding talent past the 1st-round. That’s something I don’t think we ever did (outside of Domanick Davis) in the first 4 years of the franchise.
by Nashmeister on Jun 10, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that Rick Smith isn't just giving players however much they want.
Someone said somewhere that the players on our 8-8 team are acting like they went 10-6 or 11-4. After thinking about it, I’m starting to agree.
I like Owen Daniels, even after this whole facebook thing. Another TE is not going to replace him. If he’s looking for Winslow money (which is merely fan speculation) he won’t get it anywhere – let alone from the Texans.
As for Dunta, I think the FO should let him go test the market. He won’t get an offer even coming close to ours and it would send a message to other players that the FO is not going to overpay them.
I’m confident that Rick Smith is doing what’s good for the franchise. He’ll probably overpay DeMeco (fine by me), come to fair terms with OD and worry about Dunta in a year.
by WhiskeyR on Jun 10, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
as far as dunta and od are concerned, if it is business
why aren’t they behaving like businessmen? Tight-lipped and professional, ESPECIALLY DURING ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS!!! You ever hear of a top EXEC at a fortune 500 company going on Facebook to publically gripe about the fairness of the compensation package he was offered relative to market during negotiations? I have not…These guys are among the most pathetic businessman inthe world…this kind of garbage only paints themselves in a corner (as now they publically lose face if they change their mind) and doesn’t enhance their leverage in the slightest…PR is a serious facet of this business and Dunta has damaged his so much in the process that he has made himself less valuable as a franchise commodity and the previously unthinkable notion of letting him go has become completely acceptable to me as a fan…that is hardly “Business”…that gives “Business” a bad name…that’s pure bush League. Work a deal…don’t work a deal…whatever…but whatever you do (in public)…SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!
by Smittybaby on Jun 10, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what worries me
…is the comments from the agent. He is whining about the Texans are talking about how it was years ago vice contemporary contracts. I don’t know anything about OD’S agent, but he is obviously trying to use Winslow’s contract as the going rate. I say OD deserves a contract in the top ten range of TE’S, but not top 5. He hasn’t done it for long enough, and his #s aren’t there. If his agent stands firm on Winslow money, then we have to make the business decision to let him go. I am a big time fan of OD’S, but I have seen this scenario before. We will always be on the cusp, and not beyond it, if we hamstring ourselves w/dubious contracts.
meaningful football games in '08...MAKE THAT 09
by do on Jun 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And it's entirely possible
that this is all being driven by the agents. I know a lot of players who really like their team and are willing to take a good, common sense contract but their agents convince them that they are worth way more. Then after getting the player to hold out the agent “leaks” comments to the press about how unhappy the player is in their situation. I don’t know if this is what is happening here with OD and Dunta but it is possible. Whatever the reason for all of this, you are right, OD is not worth Winslow money and paying that kind of money is what gets teams into trouble with the cap.
by exsquid on Jun 10, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hole in your theory
OD’s agent would have to be in charge of OD’s Facebook account in order to have been the one responsible for “leaking” comments regarding what a big meanie the Texans’ front office is.
by Shake on Jun 11, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that a whole?
Do you really think every (non-fake) celebrity facebook/twitter/whatever account is run entirely by that celebrity themselves?
by killtacular on Jun 11, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OD and Dunta...
are not why I watch the Texans. I don’t watch OD; I watch AJ. I don’t watch Dunta; I watch Mario. These are second tier players. If they wanna leave, fine. Don’t care. Doesn’t matter. They’re functional, not great, players. If they wanna join the Corpse, so be it. No need to waste time worrying about it.
The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.
by TexanKurt on Jun 10, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Second tier is a stretch
And if you don’t value OD, then perhaps you need to scrutinize our offense a little closer because he’s damn good.
I don’t want him to leave, but it’s all about value (i.e. cost/performance) with him. If we can’t sign him and he leaves, that just frees up more cap room for other players.
However, I don’t think we’ll get there. I’m confident we’ll sign him.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 10, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries....
OD will be signed in time…..Dunta not so sure.
GO TEXANS!!!!
This is the year.......
by Texanmaniac on Jun 10, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve totally written off Dunta. Think about it – you have to overpay to keep talented players – that’s just how it is in the NFL.
But we already overpaid for Andre Davis – who’s not even a core player. And now were going to overpay for OD, Dunta, AND DeMeco? No way. Dunta is gonzo. I think we’ll keep DeMeco with a big contract – but that’s just how it goes. OD, I think we’ll come to a deal that’s not TOO much, but probably a little more than any of us would like to see.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Jun 10, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
At least that’s how I hope it turns out.
Also, I kind of think it will be hard to overpay for DeMeco (or AJ or Mario).
When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 11, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing
Perhaps Dunta did us a favor by turning down that contract.
When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 11, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I generally like the way RS is handling all this stuff
and I’ll have to see how it plays out with the heavy hitters: OD, DeMeco, Dunta.
But the one thing I want him to be careful about is the team stability. We have a good young core, and I think the next year and a half (through the 2010 season) will demonstrate how long our core will be around to build a franchise on.
Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.
by texanphil on Jun 11, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Two quick things....
1. Fuck the Buccaneers! Right in their Buckin’ Ears! That Winslow contract was completely moronic, and is screwing us over in a huge way. I knew this would happen right when they announced it.
2. I don’t mind OD holding out so much because he hasn’t even signed his tender sheet, so he has NO contract right now. None. Now, if he pulls a Dunta and gets pissy and doesn’t sign it, he’ll be lumped in the FOAD group with Dunta, as far as I’m concerned.
I’d like to know what the organization has done to this point, that would make players think we WEREN’T going to do our absolute best to take care of them, if they earned it. Eric Winston and Andre Johnson are prime examples of what happens, contractually, if you’re a good guy and good player. Agents are Douches.
Maybe I should’ve said “three quick things.”
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Jun 11, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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