Texans Down 'N Dirty: Self-Licking Ice Cream Cone Edition
Jerome Solomon believes that Dunta Robinson will be a maximum of three days late to training camp because Robinson needs the Texans. He also believes though, that Rick Smith and the team will agree to not franchise Dunta again in 2010 before he reports to camp. Not sure about that one. Also from the Chronicle, all tickets to the open practices during training camp have been distributed, so if you want to go, get acquainted with eBay.
I know this is a little bit of a self-licking ice cream cone (sorry, that's definitely a jarhead phrase), but I wanted to call everyone's attention to the article that Riott wrote about the 4-3 under last night. I wanted to site his article partially because it's outstanding, and also because when I logged on this morning the comments section of said article wouldn't show up. I don't know why this is or if it's happening for others, but if it is feel free to leave comments here for that article. Great job, Riott.
The official site did a good interview with the longest tenured Texan, kicker Kris Brown. NFL fans are quick to dismiss players from his position, but don't fool yourself into thinking that he is not an integral emotional leader of the team that has seen all the downs that this franchise has had. Also from the official site, a breakdown of running backs behind Steve Slaton. On a somewhat related note, PFT did a piece about Raider RB Justin Fargas, who they believe might get cut before the season because of the presence of Darren McFadden and Michael Bush. I know it's out of left field, but what would you guys think of picking up Fargas to backup Stevie Wonder?
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On Riott's article: thanks...good post!
How does Barwin’s selection fit into the under scheme?
barwin
as of now, it looks like Barwin will be a 3rd/passing down guy only, which would preclude him from being part of the base 4-3 under. As of today, he’s unfit for playing Smith’s role at LDE, and moving Mario to LDE would be a huge, extreme waste of his talent.
Fargas
The first thing I thought of when I read that story was that he would be a freaking PERFECT big back compliment to Slaton.
Problem is, he’s got a pretty hefty contract for what would be a complimentary/backup player…. but he could also step in and start if Steve succumbs to the grind this year.
I’m never ever the guy to say “oh we should trade for this guy” or “____ was cut, we need to pick him up NOW!” and I know you’re not prone to do that either, Jake – but Fargas I would LOVE to see in deep steel blue. Yes sir.
I think the guy has some trade value. I’m not at all convinced that the Raiders would cut him. I mean, money-wise, that would be the smart move if DMac and Bush were clearly ahead of him – but we’re talking about the Raiders. They’re… how you say… fucking idiots.
One guy that I know they’re interested in is Andre Davis. They tried like hell to sign him as a FA before we locked him up last off-season.
Would you? Davis for Fargas, straight up? I would have to seriously think about that.
Our RB corps is MUCH thinner than our WR corps – but at the same time, AD has already proven he can fill in admirably for AJ if AJ goes down again… BUT – if Slaton goes down, we are TOTALLY screwed.
Therefore I think Slaton with Fargas behind him > than AJ with Davis behind him.
I might make that trade if the Raiders were still interested in Davis.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Jul 23, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions
I wasn't thinking about a trade
I think you were right in the first place, that his contract is too hefty for a backup RB. But Zombie Al has never had a great deal of love for Fargas, which is the one reason that I think they might cut him. There were a couple of teams interested in trading for Michael Bush around the draft, but they didn’t which tells me they’re pretty happy with the McFadden/Bush combo.
I think a trade is pretty unlikely although I personally wouldn’t be averse to it. If he does get cut though, I would love to see the Texans picks him up.
You know... for kids.
Fargas for Apostrophe
I’d do that deal in a heartbeat. I like Apostrophe, but WR is the deepest position on the team and RB is arguably the thinnest. I believe we could weather the loss of our third WR if it meant getting a legit No. 2 RB.
Of course, we might regret such a move in a year when Kevin Walter (likely) leaves town for big dollars.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
I agree with you to a point
Yes, WR is the deepest on the team – but specifically a guy who can back up AJ if he goes down – not so deep. JJ certainly can’t. Anderson is not an outside deep threat.
So pretty much, if you make this deal it means you’re fairly certain that AJ will remain healthy. I’m not so quick to do that… but I guess you can’t plan your roster around possible injuries.
Uh, unless it’s Chris Brown.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Jul 23, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I would be surprised if Fargas comes to the Texans
Fargas is a one-dimensional player. He has limited pass receiving skills as a receiver and I think that is a big part of the Texans game plan. He wouldn’t fit in and I think the coaches would consider that in their analysis of the player. Why bring him in at $3.5 million per year if he is going to be a small cog in the game plan?
Coming to the Texans is the best thing that could have happened to Kris Brown. He always had the leg at Pittsburgh, but he couldn’t deal with the swirling winds in Heinz Field. The calm confines of Reliant Stadium was benefited him immensely.
I could speculate on what Dunta does all day long, but in the end, the team has to prepare as if he is never coming back. They have the bodies.
It will happen
On Fargas
If he gets cut, you don’t have to honor the same contract which is the only scenario (not trade) in which I think he would end up with the Texans, and even then I have no idea if Kubes and company would be interested, I was just throwing it out there.
I don’t think, however, that he would be a “small cog”. If youu look around the leage at the most dynamic rushing attacks, a great deal of them feature two complimentary backs. There is usually still a feature back and a supplemental back with one being a bigger/bruising back and one being a shifty/quick back. Slaton is a great RB in the latter category because as opposed to other quick backs he has shown the ability to lower a shoulder and get tough yards. If we want to keep him healthy and productive though, we need a guy for short yardage situations.
The other component though is that if you have two backs that bring different qualities to the table, it makes it harder to gameplan for a defense. If youu have all of you defenses primarily set up to stop Slaton, a guy like Fargas might be able to run right over you. LenDale white was a complete bum before the emergence of Chris Johnson last year because of that very phenomenon.
In the end, I’m not saying it has to be or will be Fargas, but the reasons stated above are why the Texans NEED someone of the ilk.
You know... for kids.
In the end, I’m not saying it has to be or will be Fargas, but the reasons stated above are why the Texans NEED someone of the ilk.
Yes… and really, that’s how I took that portion of your post. It’s not that we necessarily NEED FARGAS, but we need a guy like him… and I agree.
I don’t think he would be a small cog in Houston at all. Getting about 10-14 carries a game is more than just a backup… and I really REALLY think we need to be careful with Slaton. He’s tough as nails, but he also wasn’t consistently healthy in college, and they can’t run him the way they did last year and expect the same results, IMO. Different subject, but I think it’s worth mentioning.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Jul 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure, last season who was the complimentary back?
During the successful stretch of the last 6 games last year, Slaton was getting 20 carries or more, except for the Raider game, and that game was really on Schaub when he malfunctioned for 4 quarters. Buts what worked was play action that Slaton and Schaub excelled at. If my memory serves me right, Moats was the Slaton complimentary back over that stretch and it worked great because the offense was able to continue the same effective strategy with Moats in the game. However, that being said, I concede the point that a goal line big back would improve the team’s performance inside the 20 and help to keep Slaton productive over a long career. YES, Slaton showed great power for his size and hopefully he will take another step in that direction with his increased muscle mass, hoping he can keep it on, too. I will say this about Fargus. Unless the Raiders do the unexpected and cut him, and I truly don’t believe that will happen, the Texans will have to part with something in trade and find room for his salary, so I can’t see it happening. Plus, there are probably other teams willing to pay more if he is available via a cut.
It will happen
by Rip Jersey on Jul 23, 2009 12:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
A little clarification
I’ve gotten a couple of emails asking me what a self licking ice cream cone is. It’s a term in the Marine Corps that is often given to entities that exist only to serve themselves. i’ve found a good visual example of what I’m talking about:

You know... for kids.
if texans
arent comfortable with rb’s now then they will trade for him…
if they feel like they areok, but then he gets cut i could see them trying to sign him cheaply…I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM IN A BATTLE RED JERSEY!!!
trade – his contract tho i big for a backup and that might stop us from trading for him, but if hes an FA than maybe…he does have starting experience and id be comfortable starting him if slaton were to get hurt
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 23, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions
I would prefer Michael Bush
but beggars cant be choosers. Ryan Torian or Fargas would be great additions.
I think we ALL would prefer Michael Bush
But we’d have to give up a lot more to get him in a trade than just Andre Davis or a mid-round pick, I think. The Raiders are very high on him.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Jul 24, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I know, I know
I was dabbling in the realm of sugar plums and flights of fancy.
I loved Michael Bush at Louisville and would have bet money he turned out to be a good pro RB, even after the broken leg. An interesting tidbit was Bush was an All-State QB in highschool, and played in his high school championship against Brian Brohm where he threw for 468 yards and 6 TDs and ran for 116 yards with another TD. He went to Louisville because Petrino promised him he would play QB, then Petrino recruited Brohm the next year and permanently moved him to RB. Turned out ok for him though.






















