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Texans Down 'N Dirty: Bone Picking Edition


Nick Scurfield of the official site breaks down the linebackers of the Texans.  I personally think that this is the strongest positional group, with maybe the exception of the wide receivers, on the team.  With a defensive line that is going to concentrate on getting up the field and a secondary that is still suspect, we're going to need the linebackers to play lights out this year for the defense to play well.

Paul Kuharsky doesn't think that Steve Slaton or Chris Johnson will suffer from sophomore slumps.  I would agree with both in principle, but one is on the verge of becoming a diva (if he's not already there) and the other is not.  The NFL is littered with the failed careers of guys that had all the talent in the world but were head cases and couldn't keep it together.  I'm not saying that he's there, but if Johnson continues down the path of narcissism that he's started down, he could be a cautionary tale one day as well.

As Riott noted last night, Jim Johnson died of cancer yesterday.  Johnson was a dynamic defensive coordinator, and if any coaches besides head coaches were eligible for the Hall of Fame Jim would be a lock.  Lance Zierlein wrote a nice break down of Johnson's defense and explains what made him so successful.

I've got a bone to pick with Stephanie Stradley.  She contends that the defense didn't play better towards the end of the season last year and that the majority of people believe they did simply because of popular notion.  Anyone that watched the last six games of the season saw an improvement.  I'm not saying they were the second coming of the Steel Curtain, but putting more pressure on the quarterback improved their play.

I understand where Stephanie is coming from.  She used Football Outsiders' DVOA to prove her point, specifically citing Week 13 against the Jaguars, Week 14 against the Packers, Week 16 against the Raiders and Week 17 against the Bears, among a few others from the beginning of the season.  First of all, no one in their right mind will say the defense played well in the beginning of the year; that's why we were talking about the END of the season.  As for the rest:

- Anyone that saw the MNF game against the Jags in Week 13 witnessed a domination.  Any scoring that the Jags were able to scratch out was in garbage time.

- The defense gave up some scores to a good and emerging offense in Week 14, but it also didn't help that the offense kept turning over the ball.  Without looking up exactly how many we had, any defense will suffer from the offense coming off the field unexpectedly.

- We didn't play well in Week 16, period.  Again, no one was saying that they were or are dominant; we were saying that they were improved.

- The defense gave up an early TD in Week 17 to the Bears, and then held on three or four straight possessions.  They forced Kyle Orton, who no one has ever confused with Joe Montana or John Elway, to try to execute a fourth quarter comeback.  The Bears tried to execute two or three onside kicks in the game.  The defense won that game for us.

I understand the reliance on stats among bloggers; it helps focus our writing to prove or disprove popular notions.  Sometimes though, you have to step back from the stats and really think about what you saw.  The best defenses usually operate on a bend-but-not-break premise.  I just want a defense that will put us in position to win games, which is exactly what our did at the end of last year.  I know because I saw it. 

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As long as we can put away the lie...

that we played better because of Dunta, I am in full agreement that saying there wasn’t an improvement doesn’t pass the eyeball test.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Jul 29, 2009 8:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hi, Scott II

Good to see you again.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jul 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for the link and discussion.

I like writing up stuff like this to get comment and not just do the group think thing, and glad you commented.

I try not to rely on just numbers, but given that there is little left brain writing about the team in the traditional media, I write about them more than I like just to fill a void. I think they are handy to use as a tool. As a check. A starting place for discussion. The Football Outsider numbers are particularly handy because it says where your team is at compared to your competition.

But the problem on mostly relying on what you are seeing is that people see different things. You see a defense down the stretch that is putting the team in positions to win, and I see a defense that gives up early touchdowns and has a hard time stopping the run or the pass.

I spent the whole season looking for hope and progress for this defense…and whether enough of a turnaround might happen that might save Richard Smith his job. And other than the messed up QB situation Browns and Titans at Reliant, there wasn’t much to commend the defense. I wrote previews and reviews for each game, and it killed me to see that whether it was in a win or a loss, so many teams were having career high offensive days against the Texans. Huge days. Fantasy football types knew that starts against the Texans defense were money.

As noted in the blog post, Green Bay, Raiders and Chicago (3 of the last 4 games) had bad numbers defensive games against bad offenses. The MNF Jags game was just regular bad performance, though I will concede that is somewhat inflated some because of the worst prevent defense played in the history of all mankind—and the offense for that game played in top 10 NFL fashion. We can argue back and forth about what we see—maybe Green Bay was an emerging offense, or maybe the Titans in that second game mostly shot themselves in the foot because their QB stinks, their receivers stink, and Fisher abandoned the run too early even though it had been pretty successful.

The Raiders offense is garbage but of course the Texans defense gives up an early TD so once again the Texans offense is playing from behind on the road which can be ugly. (Vikings!) Russell had all day to throw and ended up with an absurd 128.1 QB rating.

By the end of the season, I began rooting for the offense to play each game like they were playing Peyton Manning. To have long, time eating drives to keep the opposing offense off of the field. The Texans offense had some amazing off the chart efficient games at the end of last season, including a 51% DVOA against Chicago. They rolled up 549 yards against Green Bay’s defense.

In any event, I think something we can all agree with is that we are happy that there is at least some hope on defense this year. Changes in key player and coaching positions. Whether those pay off we get to find out, and last year’s numbers or trends don’t matter one lick. Whether the defense was bad to better, awful to just plain ole bad, or awful pretty much all season doesn’t matter.

I think that there were encouraging flashes on defense last season, but not the consistency that we need to see for the team to get better. I just wrote the post because I think there’s lots of happy talk that glosses over the big challenges this team has on defense—that’s a lot of years of sucking to overcome.

For the most part, they’ve made some realistic changes on the defensive side of the ball, and this is the most optimistic I’ve been about the defense in a long time. Actually having some hope is a good thing.

by StephS on Jul 29, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree...

I just re-watched the GB game two nights back. This was a game that I thought I remembered as being a dominating victory, on all fronts. I could’ve sworn I remembered us coming up with big play after big play, and then just coming through, balls out, in the clutch. I remembered one thing right. The last thing.
Frankly, we were just plain lucky to win that game. Luck finally played a role in us winning one.
Not to take away from Shaub’s awesome game-winning drive, and Brown’s kick that got the W, but we were lucky to be in it at all, with the way the D played.
Point is, what I “saw” that glorious night, and what happened were completely different.
Nice job, Steph and Jake.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jul 29, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m with Stephanie for the most part. The defense was slightly better toward the end of the year. They showed signs here and there, but overall they were just bad the whole year. The defense was pretty good against the Jags on Monday night…but most of that can be attributed to the superhuman effort by Mario setting the tone early. I think most of the defense got better talk was a product of groupthink because of a nice little run of wins as opposed to real progress.

I know some people get all upset when the stats don’t show what they think they should, but they are a useful tool for challenging your line of thought. I remember the first time I read some of Joyner’s stuff after Dunta’s first year or two in the league. He was pretty harsh on Dunta, and I thought he was crazy. Then I went and re-watched some of the games and began to realize that while he was good, he was far from the lock down corner rep he got from his rookie year. A few years ago people looked at you funny if you said something about Dunta not being a top CB in the league….not so much anymore.

To me the most interesting thing in Steph’s article was that the offense had the 5th highest time of possession last year. People always talk about the offense making it easier on the defense by keeping them off the field. We did that very well last year, and still had a horrid defense. We did put them in a lot of bad positions with turnovers though.

I think in general everyone is a little overly optimistic right now…but everyone is this time of year. I think we can definitely compete for a playoff spot this year, but it’s not quite the sure thing most people seem to think it is. If we can get into the playoffs though, anything is possible. I’m confident that with the new personnel and a new coordinator the defense will improve…it would be hard to get much worse.

BTW blame Matt and BFD for having to put up with my long rambling disjointed post now.

by papabear on Jul 29, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Check out the drive stats

Check out the drive stats over at Football Outsiders. Lots of interesting stuff in there. Including average starting drive position for defense. The defense really didn’t have to defend too many short fields for most of the season, though that awful Ravens game is an obvious example of offensive turnover nastiness…picked the wrong game to be in the front row of the Bull Pen. IIRC, starting field position was a bigger deal in 2007. Lots of the turnovers last year would be where punts would have gone….red zone. :(

What I’d like to see is more of the Texans offense playing from the lead—the defense needs to get their stuff together early in games just so it doesn’t have to be a race to see if you can put up +30 points.

by StephS on Jul 29, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point on Mario...

He elevated his game a bit, toward the end, and Amobi actually started showing up for a few plays, here and there. Adibi too, but certainly not anything better than slightly below average.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jul 29, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We also got lucky in the Jags game

Like when Garrard tripped on his center’s foot near our goal line. Or in the Browns game, when Braylon Edwards decided to play with oven mitts, and so on. Of course we got desperately unlucky in a meta sort of way, when a hurricane bore down on Houston and such. I don’t know if the luck evened out in the end, but my sense is that it might have actually been in our favor for many games.

If I recall correctly, our weighted DVOA actually improved towards the end of the year, when we went from a historically, cosmically bad defense to a merely shambolically bad one. That’s some improvement.

But we’re going to need to get a lot better on that side of the ball if we want to escape having to rely on the positive side of statistical variance to win games.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 29, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm confused because I actually pay attention...

but when did Chris Johnson become a burgeoning narcissist?

Music City Miracles blogger and official Jon Bovi tour manager.

by August West on Jul 29, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

How about this gem from his twitter page:

“The media ask me about my new nickname (EVERY COACHES DREAM) lol how u like me now”

That doesn’t suggest narcissism.

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Jul 29, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the guy wanted to win ROY

once again, how is that selfish or narcissistic? You guys are starting to sound like Colts fans…

Music City Miracles blogger and official Jon Bovi tour manager.

by August West on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big difference between wanting to win and whining about it.

…and because I regularly read your blog and like it – I know you know that, because you’re smart.

Come on, man. If he was on another team or a rival team, you’d feel the same way.

by HoustonDiehards on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't his best moment

but I didn’t really blink at it and don’t hold it against him at all. If he was still making a deal out of it I’d judge it a little more harshly, but he let it slide and focused on off season conditioning (like staying at the facility a two month after the season ended to rehab his ankle after the Ravens took a bat to it).

Music City Miracles blogger and official Jon Bovi tour manager.

by August West on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds like he does everything that's asked up him

and more to me. By all accounts he has been pretty much that.

It only sounds narcissistic if you really really want it to, and certainly isn’t the kind of joking around that would ruin one’s career.

Music City Miracles blogger and official Jon Bovi tour manager.

by August West on Jul 29, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you be horribly surprised

If a professional athlete in this country, least of all one in the NFL, who indulges in flamboyant behavior such as playing bongo drums from the band to celebrate a touchdown* and cranking out ego-centric tweets and the like is considered narcissistic? He may be a wonderful player (for the record I think he’s a huge talent) but that’s not mutually exclusive with being narcissistic. It’s not exactly unheard for someone who excels at a skill position in the NFL (or even some who don’t) to be narcissists.

*Personally, I thought that was a really cool td celebration.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 29, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends on who is doing the name calling

if a douche like Jay Mariotti or a certain Colts blogger on this network said it, then I’d see it as a compliment. Instead, it just struck me as a comment that needed correcting from I writer I agree with more often than not.

Music City Miracles blogger and official Jon Bovi tour manager.

by August West on Jul 29, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

To me it seems utterly uncontroversial to call a guy like Crazy Legs a narcissist. Also, typing ‘narcissist’ is a pain in the ass. Anywho, he may not be Ochocinco or TO, but he’s further along towards that end of the spectrum than, say, Terrell Davis or Bryan Westbrook.

It really has nothing to do with his ability at all – he’s really good. Sure, I’m required to think dislike him because he plays for the Evil Empire and all, but there’s no denying his ability. And yes, I think he’s kind of a douche, but I’m willing to allow that this might be a function of who he plays for.

But I didn’t get the hullabaloo about the bongo drum thing (nor when TO autographed the football, etc). That kind of stuff is good for the game.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 29, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I laughed my ass off at the bongo thing. I loved it.

by HoustonDiehards on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we WILL be ready come gametime.. that includes dante’… the linebackers… everyone.

by chrisd21 on Jul 29, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dunta can be as ready as he wants

…but that’s no guarantee that he’ll actually be good.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Say it....

SAY IT!!

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jul 29, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhm, Mr. Robinson?

Fuck you.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 30, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stephanie Stradley disproved her own point...

with those statistics. Not that I buy their old school mean-based DVOA statistic, but if that’s the game we’re playing, okay. There were only six performances by the Texans called good or bad. 50% of them came on or after week 12. No good performances came before week 8. One bad one was overshadowed by Rosencopter himself. Given a shitty defense, you’re going to say they’ve improved if they give you just some above average games where before they gave you nothing. It’s like a drug addict who starts skipping days on the drug. You call that improvement even if they’re still addicted. End of argument.

Of course, I remember arguing with Jerome Solomon on his blog, saying that there was no reason the Texans defense would improve throughout the 2nd half of last season. My reasons: Richard Smith, Richard Smith, Dunta on one leg, the Corpse and how can you overcome all of that? He argued that the safety play was improving and Dunta was coming back. I wish Stephanie had presented some statistics that proved my point so I could go back to his blog with a big I TOLD YOU SO! :)

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Jul 29, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The DVOA statistic does not take into account . . .

all the factors that go into a defense’s play. Not to sound like a puss here, but it’s gotta be tough on a defense when the offense continues to giftwrap the ball to the wrong team. They might as well put a bow on it and write a “thank you for letting us play on your field” card. You can say, well, it’s almost the same thing as a punt, but it sure as hell is not. The defensive players aren’t stupid, and they see their counterparts celebrating across the field. It’s damn demoralizing. Throw in the fact that now the home crowd doesn’t give a shit, and has quit harassing the opposing QB when he’s trying to audible, and the defense is playing with its hands tied. Don’t even get me started about what a failed Kubiak challenge does to the unit.

by carsonwayne on Jul 29, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i know i am posting too late for anyone to read this, but I think we have a little of the rose-colored glasses her. Grasping at anything that made us feel like we saw improvement w/the defense is sad. Our defense sucked the whole year. If it doesn’t gel w/the infusion of talent garnered during the off-season, the natural maturity of the players, and with the change in scheme, then we are hosed again this year. For me, hope springs eternal. I think we have the makings for a top 12 to 15 defense. Which is a start, we need to sneak in top 10 to hope for success in the playoffs. Side note, dump dunta now. His play does not warrant the kind of money he is asking. We are better served to bring in young and healthy, and use his money on keeping our real blue chip players.

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by do on Jul 31, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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