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A Defensive Adventure in 4-3 Under Minor


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Bill Kollar and Frank Bush having a laugh...via www.gonemovies.com.

While the fan club for my previous squishy post was rather....small, it and Jake's post on Bill Kollar really helped me put some things together, so to speak.  Let's start with the conclusion:  I'm not ready to chug the new system Kool Aid, and I think our defense is still gonna suck ass...just not as much ass.  HERESY!!!

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(For the record, drawing with a touchpad is hard)

For this post, I'm going to talk a little about our assumed new defense, the 4-3 under, our base personnel and base assignments (expanding just a bit on Riott's fantastic tour de force), and how it compares to last year.  I might also use stats.  Beer will be drunk.  And there was much rejoicing (yay!).

LDE: 2009 - Antonio Smith.  2008 - Whatever sacks of poop we just happened to have lying around (oh, Earl Cochran, why did thou forsake me?).  In the base scheme, the LDE is assigned to the strong side 5 gap (outside of the RT), with primary responsibility as a run-stopper.  Last year, Smith played in the Cards' chameleon-esque system of 4-3/3-4, and he was highly credited with helping strengthen the Cards D, especially on the run.  However, the raw numbers don't bear this out.  In fact, Football Outsiders ranks....*gulps*...Anthony Weaver as a better run-stopper than Smith.  I still think there'll be a substantial upgrade at LDE thanks to signing Smith, but it's not like we signed Julius Peppers.  I'm tempering my expectations for Smith's performance.  (Yes, I actually watch the effin' games, not just look at stats.  Stats are a handy, non-emotional measuring stick, though far from perfect in a game like football.  But they are what they are in this case.).

NT: 2009 - Oh dear Jeebus.  2008 - Former 1st round pick and Rhodes scholar Travis Johnson.  Look, Travis plays his little retarded ass off, but he's a horrible fit for this system...or any NFL system, for that matter.  He neither has the quickness nor size.  In the 4-3 under, the NT is expected to tie up multiple blockers, allowing (effectively) the MLB and WLB to make tackles.  The only player on the roster with the potential to remotely fill this role is Frank "Evil Genius" Okam.  According to a friend who went to practice yesterday (Saturday), Okam was working out with the first team and was getting quite a bit of feedback, though not necessarily positive reinforcement.  Neither is DelJuan Robinson the answer here, though he would be a far better choice than Trent Green's nemesis.

For the record, the girl in the LBD has awesome boobies.  (Late note: Wow, super-MILF just walked in.  I might need a moment.)

DT: 2009 - Amobi Okoye.  2008 - Amobi Okoye.  It's hard to label 2009 a make or break year for Okoye, but it's at least time for him to nut up and do something.  Unlike Johnson, Okoye has the speed to become a premier interior pass rusher while still being able to handle the run, his responsibilities in this system.  I believe that, if there is one player most likely to take a step forward under Bush, it's Okoye.  Penetrate, disrupt, penetrate.

RDE: Mario.  Maul quarterbacks.  Make Reggie Bust piss his pants.  Eat LTs.  Teams may be able to exploit Mario's outside pass rush tendencies.  He will need to play with more discipline as he is responsible for outside rushing containment, but his role his to kill QBs.

SLB: 2009 - Brian Cushing.  2008 - Zac Diles.  Looking at the raw stats, Diles was amazingly efficient at being around the ball last year as he ranked 5th for being in on team plays.  Of course, that's largely a function of being toastified by opposing offenses at every possible occasion as he could neither stop the run nor the pass.  With the power of hindsight, the first game against the BE-SFs was a horrible harbinger for the rest of his year.  Outsourcing to Riott:

The number one reason why more teams don't run a 4-3 Under is the difficulty in finding a player good enough to play the SAM. He needs to be big, strong, fast, and able to cover or rush the passer at any given time. He lines up on the outside edge of the TE at all times, and harasses him off the line, never allowing a free release, staying underneath on routes because you have your safety over the top. He also gets one-on-one matchups on the outside to pass rush. I'll take Brian Cushing versus Dallas Clark, Bo Scaife, or Marcedes Lewis any day of the week. He needs to be a great run defender as well, because he CANNOT be reached, or there is a huge running lane to the strong side.

Let's put it more bluntly:  A large measure of our defensive success is reliant upon...a rookie SLB who often played more like a defensive end and had trouble in coverage in college?

Look, this isn't to say that Cushing won't be good.  Hell, anything's going to be a massive improvement over Zac Diles.  But if there's any defensive position where it's easy to cover pure incompetence, it's SLB.  Diles, I believe, proved that last year (remember when his injury was a "big blow?").  Rookies are always a massive wild card, and Cushing is no exception.  For our defense to play at at least a moderate level, thus for the Texans to have a decent chance at the playoffs, we are putting a helluva lot of hope on Cushing's allegedly 'roided shoulders.

MLB: 2009 and 2008: DeMeco Ryans.  DeMeco's role is to be a traditional, instinctive MLB...which, you know, shouldn't be much of a stretch.  Football Outsiders has him ranked as pretty mediocre, and there may be an unfortunate amount of credence to that analysis.  Ryans' ankle has given him trouble the past couple of years, but when he's fully healthy, this should be an excellent role for him.  With the ankle problems, he has been noticeably slower.

WLB: 2009 - Xavier Adibi or Zac Diles.  2008 - The bones formerly known as Morlon Greenwood.  Again outsourced to Riott:

Your weakside linebacker in the 4-3 under needs to be your fastest and best coverage linebacker as he is protected by the defensive lineman in front of him and therefore must be able to get anywhere on the field pretty darn quick. He has control of the backside A (1) gap, and will either shoot the gap on inside runs or scrape over on outside runs. If the play is to his side, he is the primary pursuit to the outside as well. On coverage situations, he generally plays short middle and helps out where he needs to be. Adibi, due to his speed and coverage skills, is a great WLB for the 4-3 Under. He will be allowed to make more plays because he will be harassed significantly less by offensive lineman.

In limited action, Adibi wasn't bad.  But after Diles' injury (broken leg), it's imperative Adibi win that battle, as Diles will lose a step or two.  More importantly, Adibi has the speed to fly around the field.  I've got a feeling about Adibi, but health is a skill, and it's one Adibi has not displayed well.

As for Morlon's collapse from not-badness?  I blame Matt.  For the record, I also blame Matt for my impotence.  Can I use that word here?

CBs: 2009 - Fred Bennett, Jacques Reeves, Dunta Robinson.  2008 - Fred Bennett, Jacques Reeves, Dunta Robinson, Petey Faggins.  We don't have a great idea about coverage schemes, but it's likely to be simple with a focus on man coverage.  Frenchy was one of the most targeted CBs in football last year, which is understandable as he was the worst CB not named Petey I saw in 2007, but he was solidly average.  Twas a nice surprise, to say the least, and if we can get that guy a swivel for his neck, dare I say he might become above-average?

Dunta will likely be in the classic CB1 spot, but I don't think he deserves it.  Yes, I should give him a mulligan for last year, but he was simply horrible.  Bennett wasn't any better, but something tells me coaching and scheme are also to blame.  Aside from Okoye, if there's somebody I expect to jump ahead thanks to the new coaching and scheme, it's Bennett.  Overall, CB coverage will be simple.

Ss: 2009 - Nick Ferguson and Eugene Wilson.  2008 - Nick Ferguson and Eugene Wilson (Smoooooooove Will, we hardly knew you).  Part 2 of my major pain points on the D.  The safeties need to be fairly interchangeable in order to adapt to offensive schemes.  As "well" as Wilson played for us last year, it's not entirely fair to have similar expectations for 2009.  In many ways, it was a career statistical outlier (see also: Rosenfels 2007), and he really wasn't all that great anyway.  As for Nick Ferguson, he was simply horrible, one of the worst safeties in the league, especially against the pass.

In the 4-3 under, both safeties need to be versatile, capable of handling both the run and pass.  I have absolutely no faith we have a *safety* on our roster capable of handling these types of assignments.

We do, however, have two CBs who are mighty interesting candidates to do so.  On that old, bloodied blog, I fantasized often about sliding Dunta to S, allowing him to use his range.  Yes, he is under-sized, and he most certainly wouldn't be worth $10MM/year there, but it's an interesting possibility.  The other is Glover Quin.  Yes yes, the team wants him at CB and blah blah blah.  Whatev.  Like Dunta, Glover may not have the ideal size, but I'd prefer to have a couple of ballhawks at S rather than hitters.  Maybe it's the whiplash speaking, seeing how we have had such a tendency to give up huge gains at will.

Summary: I'll go into more detail on specific assignments in the next post, but I've been working on this one for over two hours and I need more beer.  Anyway, here's how I see things:

  • No true NT
  • Relying on a rookie at SLB
  • Major question mark at WLB
  • Safeties not reliable in this scheme

This is little different than before the draft.  We addressed the issue at SLB, whether I like the pick or not.  But we still have major, gaping holes at DT, possibly WLB, and at one, if not both, S positions.  On the whole, we are returning eight of 11 starters last year (hopefully just seven).  It's realistically unfair to expect substantial changes to our all-around performance, especially seeing how we are returning some really not so good players.

Scheme change or not, our best case scenario is we have the 17th best defense in the league.  Best case.  Most probable is we are still a mid-20s defense, capable of bipolar performance depending on the competition.  It took the first game of last year's pre-season to see exactly how poor the D was.  We may not have such insight this year (I hope, above all, we disguise our schemes until Week 1), but we will have a good idea of our talent.

Edit: I meant to, but forgot to mention, that I believe we'll see a ton of rotation throughout the season, especially on the D-line.  It's something called depth, a pretty foreign concept around these parts.

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Wow

Thanks for the upbeat commentary bfd, I’m going to go see what draino tastes like.

I’d say that I agree for the most part I agree with your assessments, with one major disagreement. I recently watched the final six games of last season and I saw one thing that contradicts your analysis: DeMeco. He was all over the place in those six games and made a lot of plays. Granted, he was mopping up for a less than stellar defense, but still I’d say he’s a smidge better than average.

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Aug 2, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Damnz...

Yeah, sorry, I was harsher on DeMeco than I meant to communicate. He was never really healthy until the last half of last year, and the difference was stark.

by bigfatdrunk on Aug 2, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amadeus?

I don’t even know what to say. I just know that I want to cry.

Excellent post, BFD. Damn you.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Aug 2, 2009 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love it

Great look. 17th D in the league is pretty heavy on the Koolaid in my opinion. Upper twenties I would be happy for. The learning pains for Cushing are going to be shitty to watch.

The possibilities, however, or Dunta and Quinn at safety, or Dunta and Wilson at safety, would be intriguing to pursue. If that doesn’t work out, luckily the 2010 draft is top heavy with safety and DT talent. Sadly, due to my work schedule I dont get to watch alot of real football, so I have to go off of stats and hearsay, so any actual perspective on Antonio Smith is very welcome.

It will be fun to watch the defense this fall. Whatever happens, happens.

The strong do what they have to do; the weak accept what they have to accept

by Riott on Aug 2, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

h/t you

I just worked off your original post.

by bigfatdrunk on Aug 2, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't remember if you said what was the weakest of the weak

But, I would go with the safety position.Yes, with this scheme, or basically with any scheme in the NFL they need to be versatile, going against the run and the pass. But, you are correct. None of the current safeties have proven to be effective. I LIKE your proposal to move Dunta and Glover to the safety positions.

Now, if I were to point my finger at the overall defensive scheme weakness, it would be aggressiveness. Maybe it is because of the personnel and maybe it was the Richard Smith version of the prevent defense that sticks out in my mind most of all, but aggressiveness has NEVER been part of the scheme. It sounds like this year, that will be changing. And YES, I will forgive them if they hold back in preseason and spring it once the regular season starts when the games mean something more than just an audition.

It will happen

by Rip Jersey on Aug 2, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Does this post make you happy :-)

No, I am saving my conclusion for later. So, you know, THERE.

I’m just a fan of not showing cards til necessary. In every way, our defense should be night and day’s difference from last year.

by bigfatdrunk on Aug 2, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm happier.

If they can somehow free up Mario more so he can be in some one-on-one situations…and I guess, they way they can accomplish that is by being more aggressive with blitzes, bringing more rushers…then their best pass rusher would be able to put his league best bull rush to good use. They have to make use of their strengths more and the last couple years, they have been relying on Mario to do it all on his own, always being double-teamed.

You would hate me if we played poker.

It will happen

by Rip Jersey on Aug 2, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent, but too realistic for this globally upbeat period, build on what Riott started

BFD, you are prematurely bursting the bubble of Texan koolaid drinkers everywhere. Couldn’t you just let us all enjoy training camp without pointing out the depressing truth that our defensive personnel, other than Superman, is average at best.

One surprising thing to me is that Football Outsiders ranks our former corpse as a better run stopper than our biggest FA signing. Apparently the NFL GM’s don’t think much of the corpse, because he is currently still an unsigned FA. If Antonio doesn’t play any better than Anthony, we are in for a long season. Several other teams were also interested in him, so I have to believe that will translate to the type of playmaking he showed in the postseason last year.

I dig your idea of experimenting at Safety, but I am afraid that might be too big of a gamble for a newbie D Coordinator. Eugene was not terrible IMO, but I will be disappointed if Ferguson lines up as the other safety. Picking two from Glover, Barber, Molden (if he heals) and Dunta would give us more athleticism than the Wilson/Ferguson combo.

Adibi has to be the pick at WLB. He showed much better pass coverage ability than any other OLB’s last year. Fitness is the key there. Hopefully he can stay healthy and Cato can show him what it takes to be an effective WLB.

Still trying to be upbeat, flying in the face of your logical position, GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Aug 2, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some of the best defenses in the league has a few holes to fill on paper.

Not that the Texans are one of the best defenses in the league, but I think they’re better than you’re giving credit for.

Antonio Smith is thought of as a good run stopping defensive end, while Anthony Weaver has always been considered a pass rusher. Smith also has over twenty pounds on Weaver and is much stronger at the point of attack, which is crucial for a lineman trying to defend the run. Comparing Smith and Peppers also doesn’t make alot of sense as Peppers has made his name in the NFL with his pass rushing much moreso than run defense. I’m not saying Smith is a better run stopper than Peppers, though I will go out on a limb and say it’s alot closer than you alluded to in your post. Being a good run defender as a defensive lineman doesn’t always equate to many tackles or any other measurable stat. If Smith is able to collapse the running lane forcing the RB inside or out, he’s pretty much done his job at the line, making the tackle too is just gravy on the cake.

I can’t argue the NT position, it is a problem position for us. I would take issue with your assessment of Johnson not having the size nor quickness to play the position. Travis I believe is usually listed at near 310 lbs these days, which is a pretty decent sized load for any position. At 310, he’s definately not the biggest NT in the league but he’s not the smallest either. Also recently an anonymous player made an assessment of the Texans (i’m too lazy to find the link) and singled Travis out as being a quick inside lineman. Johnson has both the size and quickness to play the position well, he just doesn’t for whatever reason. I didn’t mention this because I think he’ll have a breakout year, because I don’t. It’s just a pet peave of mine that people get angry at a player like Johnson underproducing and claim that he doesn’t have the ability to play the game, and that’s just letting him off the hook.

Also, to the best of my knowledge safeties in a 4-3 under are usually pretty stout run defenders. It’s true that you want them to be somewhat interchangeable, but in the scheme the CBs are responsible for their man/zone as it’s pretty common for the defense to run 1 deep which really relegates the lone safety in deep zone as more of a safety valve than anything else. If our safeties can play the run well (which they do for the most part) and not be total liabilities in coverage, they should do fine in the scheme. Our CBs, while their coverages may be more simple, will have more responsibility in pass protection which can only be relieved with an effective pass rush.

To make a long post even longer, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Texans finished in the low 20s in total yards allowed this season, I also wouldn’t be surprised if they finished around 14-16 either. The 4-3 under isn’t a shutdown type of defense, it’s geared for big plays and big stops and works best with a high powered offense (which the Texans have). It’s possible that the Texans have the 22nd ranked defense in yards against, but still be much improved and possibly be in the top half in scoring defense.

by Bryan72076 on Aug 2, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think people sometimes forget

What a massive improvement it would be if we had a defense ranked in the mid-twenties.

That would be nothing short of astounding.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 3, 2009 12:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We've got the offense

To put up some silly numbers. Also, it’s worth considering there is a piece of our defensive puzzle that is entirely reliant on the offense: hold on to the f*ing ball. If Schaub and Co cut down on bad turnovers, our defense wouldn’t be playing with a short field so much. (Yes I know the counter-point that if our defense didn’t suck so much, we wouldn’t have to constantly be playing from behind.)

That being said, I plan on being blindly optimistic until the first Travistar 15 yard penalty.

by DisplacedTexan on Aug 3, 2009 5:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree across the board

We need to expect some regression to the mean for our red-zone performance, both offensive and defensive, which would be positives. On the flip side, we’ll experience regression on our 3rd down performance, which was well above-average on both sides of the ball.

by bigfatdrunk on Aug 3, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As bad as our defense was, and as low scoring as our offense was

we were 8-8 last year. With a more difficult schedule than we have this season.

So mid twenties defense LAST year woulda netted us 9, 10?? wins.

The big wildcard here isn’t Cushing, and it isn’t even personnel. We are changing SCHEMES. So our personnel assessment of these players who were on the team last year under that regime may be far off of their potential that we hopefully will see in the next 3 years before Slaton gets too old to take us to the promise land.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Aug 3, 2009 8:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Best sentence ever used in a post on BRB:
Penetrate, disrupt, penetrate.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStroKets!

by Shake on Aug 3, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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