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Whither Dunta Robinson?

Bad news, D-Rob: Rick Smith hasn't blinked. As we've said all along, principles are nice, but no one believed for a second that Dunta Robinson is going to continue raging against the machine once it means missing regular season paychecks. So let's be adults about this, shall we?

Dunta is not doing himself any good by continuing this charade. We get it: He's still angry that the Texans didn't give him the long-term deal to which he believes he's entitled. Additionally, he's pissed the team refuses to agree not to franchise him again. Understood. The reality, however, is that Dunta has played this thing out. He's hurting his future earning power by not getting practice reps.

Even if Dunta Robinson is in phenomenal physical condition, he can't just walk onto the field and not miss a beat. Especially not when he's got a new defensive coordinator, a new position coach, and a new scheme. There's going to be a learning curve there, even for a savvy veteran. Dunta needs practice time. He needs meeting time. He needs film time. None of which he's getting, and all of which could negatively impact his salary in 2010 and beyond.

As Dunta has repeatedly lamented, he's on a one-year contract in '09. There are no future guarantees. Dunta has to play, and play exceptionally well, in 2009 to warrant the kind of dollars he wants. Missing every single offseason activity and coming in cold to Week One doesn't seem conducive to maximizing one's playing time and earning ability, regardless of how wounded the secondary is.

If Dunta Robinson does in fact stroll into Reliant Park sometime next week, with no preseason action and no exposure to the revamped defense, will Kubes really stick him on the first-team defense for the season-opener against the Jets? I don't see it happening. And because it likely won't happen, Dunta will have achieved nothing but a Pyrrhic victory. Ask Pyrrhus if that pays the bills.

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On principle alone

There’s NO WAY I would start Dunta in week 1. No way.

by HoustonDiehards on Sep 2, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

And although we can’t get inside Kubiak’s head, I have a hard time believing he would either.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Sep 2, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although to be fair,

Kubes has nothing to do with the contract negotiations and Smith has nothing to do with the coaching decisions. So Kubes doesn’t have any principles to violate if he were to start Dunta.

Not that I’m advocating that.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 3, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed. He doesn't deserve the start

And there’s no way Kubiak will give it to him. No chance in hell Robinson runs onto the field with the starters come opening day. He didn’t drop one bead of sweat on the practice field, and I imagine Kubiak would rather shove splinters into his pee-hole than reward Robinson like that.

Doesn’t mean, though, that he won’t take the majority of snaps against Cotchery.

by carsonwayne on Sep 3, 2009 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Most Likely Scenario

Like you said, he doesn’t start but does take the majority of the snaps at one CB position.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Sep 3, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

For making me piss my pants about the splinters

You can't fix Dumb

by Texans-Brocos on Sep 3, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see how long that lasts

My guess is that once Glover or somebody else misses a tackle and lets Leon Washington rumble for 60 yards, Dunta will find his way onto the field. He might not know the system perfectly yet, but he’s got instincts and he knows how to tackle.

by Nashmeister on Sep 3, 2009 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunta was subpar when he came back last year

I would wait to be sure he’s at least average before I threw him in there.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 3, 2009 5:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...

Proving a point is one thing, but throwing a guy out there just to show him and everyone else that he should’ve showed up to training camp is another. Fuck him. Sit him on the bench and let him rot.
The decision to play him rests solely in Coaches Gibbs and Bush’s hands. He won’t be ready, so he should not play.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree

As much as I would like to think that Dunta either doesn’t start, or maybe isn’t even allowed to play at all against the Jets…I think we’re just too weak at Corner to not allow him to start.

If Dunta has been working out in Florida as hard as he claims, then he should be in good enough shape to play. From what I’ve read it doesn’t sound like the playbook has many changes in it, just the way the plays are called in a game. Se there shouldn’t be a learning curve for him.

by Big T33 on Sep 2, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right about the playbook...

I agree with Big T33 and oiler-texan diehard that Dunta should start if possible, regardless of the contract pissing contest, because Fred and McCain have played poorly. If the playbook didn’t change that much, why were there so many missed assignments during the preseason? Players that were on the team last year missed gaps, reads, etc. during the preseason much to the chagrin of Kubiak.

Against the Jets, the “it’s just preseason” excuse is going to go out the window. The defense has been a mess all preseason. Even if you ignore the defense’s performances against the Saints and the Vikings, the cornerback situation was atrocious with both starters out and Dunta not seeing a lick of practice time. Eugene Wilson is hurt, but will probably be back, and his tackling has been spotty at times during the preseason. The secondary’s a mess. Adibi lost a starting spot to the guy who played all of preseason in Cushing’s spot. Cushing hasn’t played at all. All the chronic writers and many bloggers have made bold, confident statements that Cushing will make a positive impact on the defense. Yet, none of us have seen him play even a fake game against NFL opposition, so that confidence sounds unwarranted to me because there’s no evidence. We don’t know what we’ll see out of Cushing: second coming of LT or confused puppy. The linebacker situation is a mess. There’s been a revolving door at the nose tackle position with a trade of last year’s sub-par starter. And with a new defensive scheme and coordinator, asking for all those pieces to gel all at once against even the dog-ass Jets sounds difficult. I hope the Texans win and play well. If they don’t, I predict fireworks and panic about facing the Titans on the road in Week 2 and excuses en masse saying it’ll take time for the Texans to adjust to this new defensive system. Yet, back in January, the supporters of Frank Bush’s promotion over hiring an outside DC claimed his system would be familiar and more aggressive, allowing the Texans to go out firing for the first game, pressuring the quarterback and making stops and turnovers. And a good start would be necessary, given that Kubiak could be on the chopping block this season. To me, that paints a very dramatic picture for the Texans with alot of pressure. It’s going to go one way or the other. We’ll see what happens come Week 1.

Starting with Dunta, all the unfortunate incidences this offseason have, in my mind, made the opening game against the Jets less of a shoo-in with more pressure on the defense than I had originally anticipated after the schedule came out.

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Sep 3, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree also

If Frenchy was available, the Frenchy-Fred duo might have been OK vs the run focused Jets with a rookie QB. Had McCain or Glover shown more to date, maybe, but neither has been consistent. Forget principle, and put the best players on the field. No need to let a pissing contest get in the way of focusing on the task at hand. If Dunta looks to be in good physical condition and gets a few practices under his belt, then I think he should start.

If, on the other hand, he holds out until late in the week and/or is not in superior shape, the go with the guys that are there now and hope for the best. Right now we need all the help we can get on D, and a healthy Dunta and Cushing would surely improve the rush D.

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Sep 2, 2009 10:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck Dunta.

until Sept 13th. Quite possibly Fuck Dunta again on September 14th though.

by WhiskeyR on Sep 2, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like your analogy

…a Pyrrhic victory, a victory at all costs….but, I am still looking to see who the victor is when the factions that are fighting are on the same side. The guy is unbelievable. He BETTER be in shape, and he BETTER still know how to play, or else he will feel like Pyrrhus as the fans give it to him greek!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 2, 2009 11:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pyrrus might have won a sort of victory

But Dunta doesn’t even have a Pyrrhic victory to claim. He didn’t get the contract he wanted. He didn’t get an agreement not to get franchised. And for the time being at least, he lost his starting spot.

At this point, Dunta hasn’t won anything.

Fuck him.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 3, 2009 12:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

fuck him like Pyrrhus the Greek

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 3, 2009 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Pyrrhus

Dunta’s victory was showing the Texans that he was serious about missing all of the preseason if they didn’t give him the contract or promise he wanted. A man of his word, he is!

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Sep 3, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe if reeves was healthy...

But with him out, it’s Bennett and then rookies as starting CBs, right? I could a training-camp-less Dunta being better than Quinn or McCain or whoever.

by killtacular on Sep 3, 2009 4:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck Him

make him serve gatorade to the rookies till he pulls his head out of his ass!!!

by turnip73 on Sep 3, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TO BE HONEST...

although I believe Dunta is a good player and makes this defense better, I would prefer to see owners and GM’s sit players on the bench for a full year rather than let them throw fits like this.

Expensive strategy? yes, but i think it would help prevent other players from doing the same things.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

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by TexansForever on Sep 3, 2009 9:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

second that....

too much is on the line this year. I believe as soon as he enters Reliant Stadium, it would be foolish not to let him start. The truth he won’t be back next year; we can’t afford it. DeMeco is primed to make top-5 LB money… and OD most likely the same… I’m over Dunta and am hoping we can land a free agent steal at CB or in the draft next year.

by DominicC on Sep 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah yeah

What we have here is the clash of two massive egos: Dunta and Smith. Dunta thinks he is more valuable than he is, but Smith does not have clean hands. He mishandled the situation with Dunta just like he mishandled it with Owen Daniels and Demeco. Of course, to their credit, those guys signed deals they are not happy with and are out there giving it a 125%.

Maybe I am missing something, but I can not understand the strategy of a GM that involves upseting two of your best defenders and the best TE this league has seen in a long time.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BEST TE?

OD? Naw man.

Above Average? Yes.

And as for Dunta being one of the two best defenders in our team? No.

I agree with you on DeMeco being one of them but not Dunta.

You gotta see it from a business stand point. Im not gonna expand on this because im too swamped with work but seeing somebody say that Dunta is one of the best defenders in our team and OD being the Best TE this league has seen in a long time made my blood boil a little. You clearly have not seen game changing TE’s in action.

by Jordann on Sep 3, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Let’s face it, our defense sucked last year, and it still looks porous. Dunta may not be in the top two, but his is the third best player we have on defense with Demeco and Mario taking the lead. Of course I view Mario as less a defender than a god roaming the field slaying mortals with his bare hands. It is not like we have a whole lot of promise on that side of the ball right now. We wasted a pick on Okoye, have a rookie LB who is already hurt, and still can not account for anyone in the secondary. I still can not see the logic in alienating all our real talent.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

his saving grace

is that we dont run a lot of packages with our corners, it’s usually either bump and run or zone, so i dont think there’s this huge learning curve. besides the fact, anyone who thinks that he has not been in contact with his position coach or the team is CRAZY… that’s not how the NFL works. i would imagine that he is well versed in the plays and packages that we have now, otherwise he, better than anyone, understands that he is not giving himself the best chance of success. and to all those who get off/get on/get off the dunta bandwagon, when he bounces back this season and has a great year…. it’s plenty room in the cab if u wanna get back on.

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right

its a business, and the dude shoulda kept his freakin’ mouth shut, but I’ll take an All-Pro Dunta of old, we need it!

I was ready to jump back on the TJ bandwagon, I really thought he’d improve this year. So I hope you’re right about D-Rob!

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Sep 3, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What you're forgetting...

Is that Dunta was NEVER All-Pro, much less the Dunta that showed up last year.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

which makes his “big moral stand” bullshit….. he should’ve been here, no excuses. but, all will be forgiven if he can come in and make an impact on the defense, and if he can emerge as the true leader of the secondary, which we have been missing since he’s been gone.

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree.

Many here are working off of assumptions. Assuming that, because he was good in the past, he’ll still be good. For all we know, he’s been sitting on his ass all summer.
I’m willing to set aside my “fuck dunta” creed, if he DESERVES to play. Meaning, if he’s truly better than any of our current options, at that particular time. I will not blindly say that he should play, just because he did some good things three years ago. I would hope we could all agree on that.

Much like Kubes said about TJ… The team has moved on. I think they have in this case, as well.

Also… It’s nice to see you’re back to your forte of taking pictures with hot girls. I would do that too, but they keep coming untied.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha!

rec’d…. and blame it on da pimp a licious swagga i possess……

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its a decision that won't be made until late next week.

See if he’s in playing shape, how his attitude begins and progresses during the week, and if he shows a desire to play.

If he brings the Smith baggage to Kubiak or any of the position coaches, he shouldn’t play at all.

If he is a pro about it, and is indeed ready, I say he doesn’t start, but plays a large portion of the last 3 quarters of the game.

Kubiak has to be professional, and put the team out there that will win the game. Anything less, and he’s putting his GM above his players, IMO. Yeah, Fuck Dunta, but everything he did, business-wise, was within his rights. So punish him for not coming to camp by not starting him, but he’s the highest paid DB we got, he needs to earn it.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Sep 3, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Punisher

Dunta was in his rights, but still he is a prick. I just don’t think Smith should get a walk on this one. He has mismanaged the situation with our FA’s this year. Dunta is greedy and Smith is a dumbass. Both are arrogant pricks in my book.

Regardless, Dunta went from being a fan favorite to being the guy we all are angry at. I can’t believe they all let it go this far.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith's only fault...

is/was not getting the demeco and owen (if they choose to retain him) deals done last year. No one in their right mind blames him for not running with cash and pen in hand to agree to Dunta’s rediculous demand. That would’ve been stupid. So, the person who “let it get this far” in that case is Dunta and his agent.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hold on

It is not just Dunta. The fact that he failed to sign Demeco and Owen, two players who have openly aknowledged that they are interested in signing but that Smith has not been very forthcoming, indicates to me that he is at least partially to blame.

Dunta does not deserve #1 money. Everyone knows that. His agent also knows that he has us over a barrel. Our defense is terrible and only gets worse when he is not on the field.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Our defense might be terrible but who’s to say that when Dunta comes back it’s gonna get better? It didn’t get any better last year when he returned, and it still wasn’t that good before he got injured so why do you think it’s gonna change? Dunta is not the heart and soul of the D anymore. He used to be because he was surrounded by crappy ass players that made him look better. DeMeco took that away from him after his impressive rookie season.

We’re so desperate for serviceable corners that we’re forgetting something:
Dunta wasn’t that good of a corner.

I understand the argument that “he is waaay better than what we have now”.
Correction. He was. Past freakin tense.

This is gonna be the last time I talk about Dunta. I am getting sick and tired of his bullshit.
He comes back, makes an impact, that’s fine. Im still not gonna root for him as a player.
He’s lost my respect and im pretty sure he’s lost a lot of fan’s respect too.

As parting shot I would like to say:

FUCK DUNTA.

Let’s just hope for the best from our corners and move on.

by Jordann on Sep 3, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

Because I agree with everything, especially Fuck Dunta.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 3, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you!!

On all sides… Beautiful.

And RE: Owen and Demeco from Michah. That’s what I said, dude. It should’ve already been handled. The fact that it was put off until it BECAME an issue is a problem. On the other hand, those are two big contracts and those fuckers take alot of time to hammer out. I don’t blame him for not succumbing to the initial demands because that’s what he gets paid to do. To get the best deal for the team.
All that said, if he sticks to his guns of “we’ll discuss it again after the season” then a little more blame slides his way, though that’s certainly not out of the ordinary when it comes to GM’s. I just think he should have weekly contact with both agents, and by week five or so, the deals that they want to get done (Demeco, for sure, and Owen, if they deem him vital (side note: I think we let him walk after his contract or trade him right before it lapses. He’s only a TE, after all.)) get taken care of.

Self-nominated Punctuation Award of the Day.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hope.......

they franchise his ass again, just in spite.

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My memory isn't perfect and I don't want to do the research, but

when Dunta returned last year I wasn’t the only BRB’er to comment that the defense DID improve. Was it just because of Dunta? No. I think Adibi became a starter at about the same time. Was it because of those 2 guys? Dunno. Just remember that we did play better D over the last half of the season vs the 1st half. Yeah Dunta was not nearly as good as the pre-mangled player, but his presence on the field had a positive effect on his teammates. Will that happen again this year after the contract dispute? Dunno. Do know that Kubiak should coach to win, and do what he frequently says he will do by “putting the best players on the field”. If Dunta is in game ready condition and reports at the start of the week, then Kubiak should play him. If he isn’t and doesn’t the let him watch. Winning is the only thing.

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Sep 3, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The defense improved because...

We were so used to the defense dropping back into the read and react scheme that when that pile of crap we called our defensive coordinator started installing blitz packages to our defense. I remember this because DeMeco was started to get mad. The next game, LB blitz packages was called and DeMeco let loose!

by Jordann on Sep 3, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

forgot to add this on the first sentence

→we thought our defense was improving because we were getting sacks.

by Jordann on Sep 3, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're correct. We started running blitzes after Richard Smith realized he had lost his job

What a douche, too little too late.

Last year clearly Dunta had lost a step. He was beaten badly in coverage several times. He has had 8 more months to rehab, and may have regianed some of that lost step. I think there’s a good chance that he has. Without a doubt he is a better tackler than any of the other CB’s, so on that basis alone he warrants consideration for significant playing time, whether he starts or not. I just don’t think he should be ruled out of consideration for any of the contract BS that we’re ALL tired of discussing.

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Sep 3, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again...

You’re assuming. I refuse to.
In my mind, he’s done not one goddamn thing this whole summer, and has actually lost a step from where he was. That’s my assumption, but I’m willing to say, if he shows up in shape and knows what’s going on, and IS BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF HIM, then, and only then, do we play him.
We. Don’t. Know.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I should've said...

I refuse to let assumptions cloud how I think coaches should manage players’ playing time.
Let the best players play. I just don’t think Dunta’s gonna be one of those best players. If I’m proven wrong, great… we’d have a better player.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d for truth

by cubic on Sep 3, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the other way around

Smith offered Dunta more than he was worth and Dunta turned it down. Dunta doesn’t have us over a barrel, Smith has Dunta where he wants him. If Dunta really had that kind of leverage, Smith would have caved on the no-franchise-next-year deal and Dunta would have been in training camp (supposedly). Instead, Dunta will show up next week and likely won’t play too much for two or three weeks after that.

And our defense being terrible has more to do with our D line and the way it was used last year than Dunta.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 3, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true.

but they go hand in hand. without a decent bump off the line by the secondary, the d-line wont have time to get to the quarterback. without decent pressure by the d-line, the secondary cant get picks.. simple as that, we need both sides on the same page, working together.

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You want bumps?

Get a Fergie CD.

This is football, Chris… c’mon!

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha!

why cant i just borrow yours?

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wha?

“Especially not when he’s got a new defensive coordinator, a new position coach, and a new scheme.”

When did they get a new coordinator and scheme? I remember hearing people talk about aggressiveness, blitzing, and so on, but it still looks like the same old shit brown D. You are all so silly with your jokes. And it’s not even April 1.

by Jersey Bill on Sep 3, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True

Man how can you doubt Frank Bush? Didn’t you see the great interviews he gave? I mean sure the Defense looks like it did under Richard Smith, but you need to ignore that and focus on the talk. As they say, talk is expensive.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: F. Bush

Point taken, but you have to admit that there’s been a whole lot more blitzing in three preseason games than we ever saw under Richard Smith.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Sep 3, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

back to my other point.......

you dont “gameplan” pre-season games! wait until at least 3 or 4 weeks into the season before you all get your panties in a bunch! geeeeeeeeeeez louuuuuuuise!

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if

What if we are 3-4 weeks into the season and nothing has improved? How much longer should we wait? All I expected to see in the preseason was a noticeable improvement in the Defense. I do not think that has been the case.

The problem with arguments like that is the time frame always seems to expand. We are seeing it right now with Okoye. The guy has been a huge lump of nothing so far but people keep pushing back the time table on when we can judge his value.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand...

 We could all be like you, and assume that everything is going to be horrible, with no improvements in the slightest regard.

Look, Michah… I know you mean well and all, but if it gives you that much pride to say “I told you so” why don’t you just go watch re-runs with the Alzheimer’s patients?

We get your point… You haven’t seen improvement.
Do you get ours… That we haven’t seen a game that counts yet?

Chris is just asking that the naysayers just tap the brakes for one more week, until we get to actually FIND OUT for real (for REALLY real) what any aspect of the team will look like?

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand

I understand what he is saying. Still, you must admit that we should have seen a little improvement by now.

Texans fans have been deluding ourselves for the last few seasons thinking things are getting better and we are on the cusp. I am just tired of all the talk and hype never being backed up on the field. I have no pride in saying “I told you so.” Still, I am not going to pretend to see things that are not there. If I am saying “I told you so” about all this it means we are still losing. I would rather be wrong and have a winning team.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes and no.

define “improvement”. honestly, can you even remember any scores from last year’s preseason games? cuz i cant…. and as we know from last year, a stellar preseason record dont mean shit (4-0) regular season (0-4) so while you make valid points, i dont wanna throw my guys under the bus just yet. ill be the first to blast em if by week 5 we still look like shit… but not until at LEAST then.

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playing the run

I was expecting to see a little better performance in the run stopping department. In all three games we have let our opponents shred our D-Line. If this team can stop the run, we win the division outright. Tenn and Jax like to play that smashing downhill type of running game. If we can make that a non-viable option we win this division easily.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can stop the run.

We still dont win the division outright.
Playoff berth via wildcard maybe.
But not the division. I know that Indy is on the decline(or not)
and Tennessee is only getting better. We can’t expect division.
We ourselves need to improve first. There’s so many aspects in our defensive side of the ball that needs to be changed, we need to cut the mental mistakes to zero. That applies for the offense and defense.

by Jordann on Sep 3, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

What would have possibly improved our run defense to this point? The only player we acquired in the off-season to help in that aspect (Cushing) still hasn’t played. (Antonio Smith is a wash with Weaver; both play the run fairly well).

We knew we were weak at DT coming into the season, but that’s nothing new. The run defense isn’t going to be good. The difference is that this year, we might actually be able to get off the field on third down. QB pressure has been much better this year. We’re still going to let teams move the ball on the ground, but the hope is that we’ll notch way more sacks and force a few more turnovers. That, paired with a much easier schedule, could easily lead to 10-11 wins (providing the offense keeps up their end of the bargain).

by Nashmeister on Sep 3, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pre effin season.

It’s the preseason. It doesn’t matter if you see improvements or not because it’s the preseason. It does not count for anything. Like what Chris said, we were 4-0 last preseason and we started the season 0-4. We’re not gonna play all our cards during the preseason because it means nothing. Nada, zilch, jack squat. Why would we expose our defensive schemes, packages and gameplan to the rest of the league? Why should we give them film to study against us during the regular season? It just doesnt make sense. It’s the preseason. We’re finding out who does and does not belong in our team. That’s why we have cuts during the preseason. Why do people have a hard time understanding the concept of the preseason?!?!? WHY?!?!?

We are on the cusp. On the verge of something great. But dont forget that we’re not a great team yet. We’re a fairly good team. We have much improvement needed. So dont expect anything more than a wild card. We’re gonna be hearing this for a couple more years. People need to get used to that.

by Jordann on Sep 3, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I invite you to go browse through last year's game threads

- even the games we won – and tell me that the bulk of posters on this site are deluding themselves about the quality of this team. It’s pretty funny to go back and read those because we were pretty much all (with the exception of our good luck charm Mike Clark, who is a Broncos fan) were convinced that no lead was large enough and that we were going to lose every game.

So I think that you might be overstating the degree to which Texans fans (at least on this site) are delusional.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 4, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Still that is not saying much.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunta is the best cornerback....

…on a team full of bad ones.

He does not deserve top 5 corner in the league money.

He is a GOOD cornerback, don’t get me wrong. But I can think of 6-8 corners I would take before him.

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by TexansForever on Sep 3, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Based on last year's play...

There’s three on this team I’d take before him. That’s what I think alot of people are missing.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disco.

You nailed it.

Yay, sports.

by MDC on Sep 3, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tillman said it best....

he’s worth more to us as a texan than any other team.

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and.......

i dont think i’ve taken a picture than a hotter chik than the one im with now. :)

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

very cute!

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Sep 3, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Had anyone else said it...

It wouldn’t have been creepy, but alas…
BFD’s cross to bear, I assume.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn you

well played, sir.

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Sep 3, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record...

I’d prefer him be on another team, with us netting a second round pick for the switch.

If “ifs and buts” were candies and nuts, then we’d all have a shitload of nuts.
Or something.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

......

im tired of all these “compensation” picks! who’s 2 say we wont be in the same position with that guy in 3 or 4 years? we need PROVEN talent. why in the hell didnt we go after Brian Dawkins? or deion sanders? (joke!) or any of the other available free agent talent that was out there this offseason, and last? wtf……. the draft should supplement, not support your TEAM. there is no reason we should be spending #1 pics year after year on defensive lineman!!!!!!!!!

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are not at that point

I do not think we are at the point where we can expect the draft to suppliment rather than support us. We are a young franchise and have to deal with the limitations.

The reason we pick so many defensive linemen is because, besides Mario, we have failed at drafting them. Okoye is a non-factor on this team and TJ was servicable but not spectacular.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to trading him.

Show me one guy here that wouldn’t take a second round pick for that pile of shit in the #23 jersey, and I’ll show you someone without a shred of sense. We’d be lucky to get a 4th out of him at this point.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct

Especially since he has established himself as a whiny bitch. Prima Donnas are not welcome on most teams (except the Cowboys) and Dunta is showing that he is one of those.

We all know he will be out on the field this season. If he wants top 5 money, he better play like he deserves it.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn right

otherwise it’ll be another “failed” pic or pickup… to add to the others… should i list a few? no names are needed, as these guys are all infamous…
1. LT – the guy who never played a snap for us…
2. QB- nuff said.
3. RB – remember double D? cuz i dont….
4. DL – that fat fuck of a man who let a “hernia” keep him in bed
5. DL – the one they traded…. who was supposed to be mario before we got mario.

by chrisd21 on Sep 3, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

To be fair, we have broken our curse at LT. Brown has proven to be a solid LT. With him and Winston, we are sitting pretty on the ends.

by Micah B on Sep 3, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet at this point

Our draft successes are pretty close to equalling our draft failures.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 4, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d take a 3rd round and a bottle of Crown for him.

by Bobobigbro on Sep 3, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If I could trade every single first round pick I ever had for two second rounders

I would do it in a second and my team would never stop winning.

So, Fuck Dunta and gimme the second-rounder.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 4, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I See

Hi all, I’m new here but I’ve been following BRB for a while now and decided to chime in after reading some of Micah B’s comments. I think you make some valid points but I disagree with your assesment of our defense and not seeing anything new. I actually think the complete opposite. I have been impressed with the Texans ability to rush the passer and if you don’t agree then I can say you haven’t been watching. The Texans have 7 sacks in their first 3 games – 7. That’s almost as much pressure as we got all of last year. We had a total of 25 sacks – half by Super Mario. Out of those 7 sacks only one was on a blitz – we are getting pressure. Also, shouldn’t Adibi had a sack on that BS roughing the passer call? So 8 in three games – i will take that. Insert Diles into the position he should be playing, hopefully Cush can be a good run stopper and get one or two of our safety’s back and I think it will all work out.

by Bobobigbro on Sep 3, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome analyses, Bob

Completely agree, but didn’t want to have to defend it if I threw it out there.
I’ve been very impressed with the overall push of the line. The fact is, when you’re rushing upfield like we’ve begun to do, you can actually run yourself out of a play, but you take the good with the bad, and I’d imagine they’ll get better at the execution overall.
To call him out, TexanKurt is doing the same thing. I don’t get it. I’ll push back a little, but I don’t have the strength to argue with someone whose response to everything is “they suck. I haven’t seen any changes, so they still suck… they’ll always suck.” What’s the point?

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 3, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does your sig refer to pork

But your name is Beefy?

I’m confused.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 4, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even see how you tie Bobobigbro's comments to me...

My response to everything is based on what actually exists. Yes, they rush the passer better, but the run defense leaves alot to be desired. I’m not one of those people who makes shit up to make a point or to make myself feel better about my team. I call it like I see it while considering both the positive and the negative. I don’t pretend it wasn’t preseason for the opposing team, too. I don’t invent Cushing as a savior because there’s no evidence to support that invention. I don’t throw out negative facts like the run defense so I can make an overwhelmingly positive report on the defense’s improved pass rush and say “see, progress”. If I see the coach make a mistake similar to ones I’ve seen him make before, I’ll talk about the mistake rather than blow it off. I’m not into creating mock-opinions to prop up hope. When I talk about the cycle, I’m talking about the blogging cycle I see go on every year. I hope the Texans tear it up this year so that maybe Texans fans can start getting real about things rather than pitch some sort of self-help blog session before or after each game and during the offseason. I hear the same basic argument over and over. If you focus on a positive aspect, the preseason counts. If someone else focuses on a negative aspect, it doesn’t count because it’s preseason. If the defense is great on Week 1, “see, Frank Bush was the answer”. If the defense sucks on Week 1, “we don’t know yet if Frank Bush isn’t the answer; give him time”.

Do the Texans suck? I don’t know yet. Change in this team, up to this point, is hard to measure. But with 6 of 11 starting positions on defense marked with huge question marks, I don’t see how anyone can profess to know. I just say that doesn’t bode well and it doesn’t look good. I always say I hope they’ll pull it together and have a great season, so I don’t know what you’re talking about, beefy. I do know that I don’t go around spouting hatred about Texans players like Dunta Robinson at anywhere near the same degree as you do, while making up unsupported diatribe about how he’s been sitting on his ass all season. So, if I’m the black kettle, quit calling me out, mr. pot.

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Sep 4, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your arguments...

are noted. But I think they’re doing nothing but proving my point. You’re a negative thinker in a crowd of positive ones. Can you admit that, or do we continue with this dance?
We’re blindly positive while we still can be… before games that matter start kicking off. If we screw the pooch at that turn, you will cease hearing sunshing blown from our asses.

On the Dunta thing… guilty as charged, good sir. Although that’s one player. Who deserves it.

Olive branch?

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 4, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If...

"they suck. I haven’t seen any changes, so they still suck… they’ll always suck." is your definition of a negative thinker, then I don’t think that pertains to me. Perhaps you’re skimming over statements like “I hope the Texans tear it up this year…” or “Do the Texans suck? I don’t know yet.” because they don’t prove your point. No team, other than the Clippers, will always suck. As far as this being a crowd of positive opinions in complete juxtaposition to mine, why is it that I’ve posted several agreements, even on this entry, and you’ve even agreed with me on a reply in a previous entry on the Travis Johnson trade? I’ll agree that I’m being more even-handed than some, but I tend to me more scientific by nature and that may be confused as negative. My response to the blindly positive it that, based on history, we won’t see the sunshine end from some people if the Texans screw the pooch, which I hope they don’t. I say acknowledge the sunshine when it’s there. Don’t confuse it with artificial light.

As for deserves, my main man Clint once said, before he blew a dude’s face off, “deserves got nothing to do with it”.

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Sep 4, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you're right, and I'm misreading everything...

But almost every time I finish reading something you’ve written, I think, “dang, TexanKurt just likes to poop in everyone’s cereal.” That’s fine… You’ve called All-Time Cheerios Shitter, and you’re good at it. That’s your bag, so stick with it, if it gets you through the night.
I’ll keep buttoning up my Positive Penny shirt, until I see a reason to peel it off. You do the same with your Negative Nancy sweats, and maybe we’ll meet in the middle of the road one day.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Sep 4, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this recess?

You can’t come up with a cogent argument so you’re going to resort to belittling, labeling and name calling. I’m not going to join in.
We met at the middle of the road on the Travis Johnson trade just the other day. Hopefully you don’t want me to mirror everything you say at all times because that would be boring. There’s only enough room for one beefy in this house. You seem to have had it out for me for a while now, but I’m going to call it like I see it regardless. If you can form a good counter opinion to any of mine, please post a reply to my posting – not somewhere far down the chain, which you’ve done twice now. It’s unfortunate that you can’t respect my opinion because I do show deference to yours. But there’s nothing I can do about that, can I, other than just agree with everything you have to say? Perhaps there’s a private cereal chant that I don’t know about.

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Sep 4, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha!

yeahhhhhhhh stop pooping in my cheerios! cuz i thought it was fudge at first…. dammit.

by chrisd21 on Sep 4, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So that's the cereal chant...

Not bad. It’s got potential. It doesn’t rhyme though. Can you come up with one that rhymes?
Like:
Yeahhhhh stop pooping in my cheerios…
Cuz I though it was fudge before your bitchin post…

Other ideas?

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Sep 4, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

boys, boys, boys...

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 4, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO

Dunta is not a top ten cornerback in the league. He never has been and probably never will be. He has been one of my favorite players on the defensive side side of the ball and this offseason has been hard for me to watch. My wife has a @23 jersery, I have the same one (Battle Red) and we like the way that he hits and the intensity that he brings to the table. We would love to see him stay a Texan but the truth is that he isn’t worth the money that he is asking for and has made some horrible moves this offseason. He has alienated his fanbase, the coaching staff, the front office, and has done nothing but drop his value this offseason. If he sits out any of the regular season games I will wash my truck w/ his jersey and then promptly burn it. I am fed up with the act and hate that he has always talked team but is all about the player now. He has disappointed me alot this offseason, I wish him the best but in the end I am all about the Texans… not individual players.

by wasteph on Sep 3, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

damn...

i’d rec it… but im on my cell. lol

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