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Orlovsky Or Grossman…Not Too Hard Of A Choice

Rex Grossman surprised a lot of Texans fans with his solid performance against Tampa Bay Last Friday. A Performance that has sparked a backup QB controversy amongst the Texan fanbase.

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Rex Grossman surprised a lot of Texans fans with his solid performance against Tampa Bay Last Friday. A Performance that has sparked a backup QB controversy amongst the Texan fanbase.

The hot topic over the weekend between Texans fans (aside from Dunta Robinson ending his holdout) is who should be Matt Schaub’s backup once the season begins, Dan Orlovsky or Rex Grossman. Sports radio has been all over it this morning.

A few days ago, people were wondering if Rex Grossman would even make the team. But after his solid performance against Tampa Bay this past Friday, a lot of Texans fans have had more to say about Rex other than the "I’m throwing it downfield" jokes. Even though he did throw it downfield with relative ease. Now people are saying how they like Rex for his experience and are ready to ship Dan Orlovsky out of town for a new water boy.

Actually, Orlovsky was already not too highly thought of so far by Texans fans. And this was before Grossman had the stellar performance last Friday. He shows flashes of brilliance, and then does what used to make me pull my hair out about Sage Rosenfels: You just know a turnover is coming real soon.

Now, I do believe that Orlovsky has the tools to be a pretty quality backup in the future. No doubt about that. He just needs some time. It probably will take him a little bit to shake off the funk of that 0-16 Lions season in 2008. Let him learn behind Schaub and Grossman this season. I believe that would be best for him.

When/If Matt Schaub goes down this season, Grossman should get the nod in this guy's opinion. Let’s face it--the guy has been more successful than any other QB on the roster. That Bears team may have made it to the Super Bowl in spite of Rex, but he has still been to, and played in, a Super Bowl.

But, again, I am in no way trying to sell Orlovsky down the river. I just think that Grossman will be the guy to step in should Schaub go down this year. And I think he should be.

What say you?

***UPDATE***

Guess it doesn't matter now. According to Nick Scurfield's Twitter:

Kubiak just announced after practice that Rex Grossman will be the #2 quarterback vs. the Jets

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If Texans QB Matt Schaub is sidelined with an injury again this season, who should line up behind center for The Texans?
Dan Orlovsky
75 votes
Rex Grossman
406 votes

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I'm of the same opinion

Look guys, the resume for Rex no matter how you slice it is better than for Dan O, Rex had ok, but not horrible numbers in and Run, D dominated Chi town land. I like his reads much better than Dan, maybe better than Schaub, I would like to see Schaub come back as quick as Dan did. Save the cap space and get rid of Dan O and and pay Ryans!

You can't fix Dumb

by Texans-Brocos on Sep 8, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, damn

Looks like I should have waited another 5 minutes before I wrote this:

Kubiak just announced after practice that Rex Grossman will be the #2 quarterback vs. the Jets

Per Nick Scurfield

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by Mike Kerns on Sep 8, 2009 11:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If he is the #2....

We need to keep our performance expectations, if he plays, extremely low.

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Sep 8, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would your expectations...

Be higher for Orlovsky?

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Sep 8, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Equal, actually

But with greater upside. Grossman has proven himself to be a below-average QB. The numbers and the fact he couldn’t hold off Kyle Orton for the starting job prove this. That he was in a Super Bowl is absolutely meaningless. As you said, he lit it up against guys who were cut the next day by chunking the ball. The Texans offense is based on the short- to intermediate-game. That’s not Rex’s game, it’s Orlovsky’s. His fumblities doesn’t help, either.

Note to self: Insert something witty here.

by bigfatdrunk on Sep 8, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rex is the QB2 for week 1

so DanO could move back into the spot.

But I like the move, given the first game jitters, and Schaub’s gimp status going into the game. Send out the guy who’s been there, done that a lot more.

For this game, its not meaningless that he’s played in the playoffs. If asked to step in, he will be much more confident out there.

Now, If Schaub has a 5-7 week injury later in the year, I could be convinced that DanO could potentially be a better option.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Sep 8, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

Losing your starting job to Kyle Orton is like accidentally running out of the back of the endzone.

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Sep 8, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe

We need to extend all our pass routes 20 yds further downfield for Grossman

by kozanack on Sep 8, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there's one judgment call we can trust Kubiak to make, it's "who's the quarterback".

I would expect a longtime professional QB who’s played in the Super Bowl to beat up on the other team’s scrubs. Grossman’s performance earned him a roster spot. That tells you where he stood regarding Kubiak’s dog house. That Rex jumped all the way to backup is very promising. I agree that Rex has more ability than Orlovsky. It’ll let me rest slightly more assured every time Schaub runs out of bounds untouched.

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Sep 8, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

really?

rex started against the 2 and 3rd STRINGERS….. so im not sold. i much prefer how koob brung along dan thru the preseason. i dont hate rex… but i dont like em much either. just seems that if he WAS a great QB, or a great 2nd stringer… we wouldnt have picked him up off the street.

by chrisd21 on Sep 8, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

I really won’t rest any more assured every time Schaub runs out of bounds untouched.

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Sep 8, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or....

gets up in the morning and gets into the tub…
or….
gets out of his car….
or…
anything that requires him moving period.

by chrisd21 on Sep 8, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this really wasn't that close

Orlovsky had all preseason to show he was capable of being even moderately competent. Instead, he was counting his $9M (and change).

Grossman is a slightly above mediocre QB, yes, but he could be very very solid as a backup given that he won’t have a deer-in-headlights look to him if he has to play extended time. Plus, he’s the Sex Cannon, dammit!

by grungedave on Sep 8, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rex is not a quality starting QB in this league

but he’s a dern good QB2, and thats where he’ll be for us.

He has experience, and a little bit of a chip on his shoulder. Both good qualities in a #2.

The difference between his chip and Sage’s (and the reason for the copter) is the desperation level will be a lot lower, and the decisions that follow will be vastly improved.

Yes, he will make bad throws, and baffle us completely sometimes, like all Bears fans will complain about, but in the end, he’ll be in there because our best QB is hurt. And he’s our best backup plan.

I actually like our #3 also. He’s not ready for prime-time, and would remind us of Sage (think copter, not comeback) more often than I’d like. But as a #3, he’s a lot better than we’ve ever had! And if the sex cannon has a good year, we probably won’t want to sign him next year, he may cost too much, and the big O will be our backup in 2010.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Sep 8, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sex Cannon big game under pressure

Look for Rexy the 4th preseason game was the 2nd biggest game of his career. He was barely picked up for the vet min, and knew that if he didn’t do well in the game he would be out of football forever! That is big pressure, how many of you have had 2 hours of work to determin your career? And he came up big, great throwing, good decisions, and not ints. That says alot about the guy. Dan keeps makeing the “same mistakes” this wasn’t even close.

You can't fix Dumb

by Texans-Brocos on Sep 8, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't ever want to know the true answer.

Fuck Jared Allen.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStroKets!

by Shake on Sep 8, 2009 1:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Big deal

This is a massive deal because Matt can’t stay healthy for more than three games. I would bet we see Rex this weekend or at least by the Raiders game.

If Matt remains Matt, the best we can hope for is to train up Dan and Rex and turn them into semi-valuable trade commodities the way Kubiak did with Sage.

by Micah B on Sep 8, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If our season really rides on this question

then we weren’t doing anything anyway.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement

by riversmccown on Sep 8, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So Rex lit up some guys that were getting their last chances to make the cut?

I think this has to be seen as Orlovsky losing the job, not Rex winning it.

As a side note, why dismiss Rex starting in the Super Bowl if you’re going to then use it as a support for your argument, anyway? I would even argue with your proposal that Rex has been “more successful than any other QB on the roster.” I’m trying to restrain myself here, but this argument really chafes my ass here. By what metric is Rex Grossman more accomplished than Matt Schaub? Please don’t give me shit about how he’s won more games, or he’s been to a Super Bowl, or any of that other crap.

I don’t really know if there’s much room between Orlovsky and Grossman, so I’ll defer to Kubiak here. But I think that Grossman was thought to not have a good chance to make the team a few weeks ago and is now the #2 QB says a lot more about Orlovsky than it does about Grossman.

Those of you rationalizing away Grossman sound like Giants fans getting worked up over David Carr. Rex Grossman is a terrible, terrible QB. I mean, really fucking atrociously awful.

by socctty on Sep 8, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just read bfd's old DGDB&D article

I think we say the same thing, but I’m pretty sure my four-letter-words to regular-words ratio was higher, so I win.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2009/9/8/1020868/orlovsky-or-grossman-not-too-hard?login=1252436098#

by socctty on Sep 8, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No rationalizing

ever on David Carr. He was terrible from start to finish. Say what you want about Rex but in no way is he anything like having Carr. I would rather go into the season with (If) Schaub and no back up at all then have Carr as a backup. You seem pretty worked up on Rex but at least he didn’t turn it over 4 times out of 55 pass attempts. 3 picks and a lost fumble is not who i would want to be our #2 going in. Rex had 2 TD and no turnovers. He did not play as much but Dan O played against scrubs too and didn’t fair so well. If Kubiak can fix Dan O’s problems then he will be a solid backup but everything I have seen from him at this point shows all the same problems we had with Carr and Sage. Too many picks and turnovers in the redzone. These are the things that need to be fixed going into this year if we stand a chance at making the playoffs. If Rex screws it up then put in Dan O but right now Rex is our best backup to help this team win and not continue with the same issue that have plagued us from the start.

by Bobobigbro on Sep 8, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

to say that

Grossman got the no. 2 nod from Kubiak because he chunked it last Friday is a pure copout and to fall back on the cliche that he got beat out by Orlovsky is further insult. That is not what happened here. The guy went out there and hit receivers, he commanded the offense and he didn’t make mistakes. To top it off, he has been watched in the game and in practices by one of the best QB minds in the business, in Kubiak, and he says he is the guy! I don’t care what anyone said back in June! This is September and the season starts in less than a week. Dang anyone that can’t find some kind of fan loyalty to be happy about this. The people who keep saying, “I don’t like it, but I hope it works out.” Ha! Man, you always leave yourself an out, is all I can say…

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2009 2:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I meant Orton

End of rant…Hahaha!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2009 2:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Sex Cannon is better than Dan "the safety man"

for right now. Grossman just has more experience in games than Dan-O. But in the long run Dan-O will be a much better choice for #2 QB.

by Jordann on Sep 8, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

experience.......

doesn’t necessarily equate into success. T-Mac is “experienced”… but never got out the 1st round. D-wade in his rookie season had NO “experience”… and led his team to a championship. and who gives a shit if he played in a superbowl?!?!??! he didnt WIN!

by chrisd21 on Sep 8, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

But dont you agree that with more experience, Dan-O would be able to eliminate those mistakes that he’s been making all thru out the preseason?

by Jordann on Sep 8, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends......

i’ve always said it’s about coaching. if dan had been drafted by us, he would be an excellent quarterback now. thing is, sometimes experience is a bad thing. when i was in the army, they would tell us they would rather train a guy who has never fired a weapon, as opposed to someone who has, because you bring in your old habits, and it’s all about teaching you “their” way. same in this scenario. i think dan got all the negative experience he could handle… while rex was given plenty of opportunities to succeed. case in point…. remember when baltimore won the superbowl with trent dilfer? so by some bloggers’ rationale, he could be our #2 because of it right? WROOOOOOOONG! lol

by chrisd21 on Sep 8, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grossman never had this kind of suppprting cast

This is the kind of offense that every QB could ask for. He never had anything close to this in Chicago. There, the best he had to throw to was Bernard Berrian. Here, all he has to do is be the caretaker when things are working. And, when the team needs a boost, who would you rather be airing it out to, Andre Johnson or Mark Bradley?

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2009 2:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

For the first time ever…I agree with Rip Jersey!

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by Mike Kerns on Sep 8, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am humbled!!!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2009 3:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd and horrified

I agree with this 1000%, I just can’t get over reading several comments by Koobs about Dan O about how he keeps makeing the same mistakes, not good in this system of make smart throws and don’t F it up. Rex clearly understands this system he commented that this in this system there is always a place to go with the ball. I think this is a great system for Rex, espicially because you have to play the deep pass even more than against Matt, this will open up the run even more.

Horrified by the prospect of actually agreeing with rip.

You can't fix Dumb

by Texans-Brocos on Sep 8, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not worthy!!!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2009 4:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to scream this from the rooftops

Rex Grossman beating out Dan Orlovsky doesn’t mean that Rex is good, or even adequate. It means that Kubiak thought it was in the best interest of the team to put him ahead of Orlovsky, and that’s it. To use some of Mike Kearns’ logic, Rex beat the worst quarterback in the history of the world – one who has a .000 winning percentage in the pro game. A rousing applause for Rex Grossman!

Seriously though, Rex is really fucking awful. This may be some light-the-fire-under-Danny-boy ploy, or it might be that Kubiak thinks that Rex is actually better suited to back up Schaub than Orlovsky is, but it DOES NOT mean that Rex Grossman is good, or adequate, or even “not all that bad.” He is horrible. Rationalize it if it helps you sleep better at night. Remind yourself of those three good weeks in your fantasy league a few years ago when you grabbed Grossman off the waiver wire and rode him to a first-round playoff bye. It won’t change the fact that he’s putrid. He’s David Carr bad.

by socctty on Sep 8, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blaspheme!

No one’s as bad as Mittens!

Bill Simmons, the Sports Guy, said it best when he assigned Carr the grade of “The Proverbial F-Minus”, describing Carr as “the perfect storm of QB crappiness:”

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071221

In fact, Grossman’s four grades up, at “Flashes of Upside, Floods of Downside”.

Enjoy!

The true test in the life of a Texans fan is how gracefully you endure it.

by TexanKurt on Sep 8, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what makes him horrible?

His stats aren’t bad one year starting

Year Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
 2006 Chicago 16 73.9 262 480 54.6 3193 199.6 6.7 23 20 24 2 0.1 0.1 0 21 142 7 5
With 13 and 3 record!!!

Schaub first year starting,
2007 Houston 11 87.2 192 289 66.4 2241 203.7 7.8 9 9 17 52 4.7 3.1 0 16 126 7 3
With 8 and 8 record

And Schaub had alot better recieving core than Rexy in a run, D heavy team.

You must be a spurned Bears fan or something,

I’m not saying that he is a starter but I am saying he is does NOT SUCK.

You can't fix Dumb

by Texans-Brocos on Sep 8, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS

Its all about winning!

You can't fix Dumb

by Texans-Brocos on Sep 8, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was written in late 2007

It also mentions how Andre Woodson and Brian Brohm would go in the top 13 of the upcoming draft. Both guys were cut this past weekend.

Anyway, read the paragraph on David Carr. Doesn’t that sort of rationalization sound familiar? Hmm?

by socctty on Sep 8, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2 td, 0 int

results on the field, in our system, against the 4th string Lions are worth the nod, if only to tell Dan-O to think a little more before throwing the pick.

We suck at turnovers. Yeah, Rex’s career turnover stats suck too, but what have you done for me lately.

Smushiak will take us to the playoffs in 2009.

by texanphil on Sep 8, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you guys are nutz grossman????

Orlovsky is wayyyyyyyyy better

It may be now..it may be later...later aint gonna be no use! Am I right Al? We got alot of angry guys in their black panthers,muslims, young lords, besides you average anti-socials. We gotta go in, am I right, clean their clocks!

by Peter Chung on Sep 8, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you watch any of the games?

Dan O was Ok but nothing to write home about. 4 TO’s in what amounted to about 1 regular season game does not make me say Dan O is wayyyyyyyy better. I’ll take the guy who didn’t screw up in the one game he played. That could all change but you have to go with who gives you the best chance at winning when Schaub goes down and based on everything in this preseason (and I guess you can go ahead and include history too) Rex gives us the best chance NOW.

by Bobobigbro on Sep 8, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This from the man

who suggested the Pats pick up detroits 4th string QB?
Pats pick up detroits 4th string QB?

You can't fix Dumb

by Texans-Brocos on Sep 8, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stanton will be Stafford's back up actually, and is the 3rd QB on depth chart

I have seen Orlovsky in action many times and he played good despite having an awful O-line. He should have been given a chane to be the starter, but instead the Lions decide to draft another QB with their top pick. Your organization must have seen the same thing that I have seen because they spent a pretty penny on Dan-O. So who’s the idiot now? Anyways, your starting QB will be ailing by season’s end, and I will make sure I make a visit to your SB site when I prove correct.

It may be now..it may be later...later aint gonna be no use! Am I right Al? We got alot of angry guys in their black panthers,muslims, young lords, besides you average anti-socials. We gotta go in, am I right, clean their clocks!

by Peter Chung on Sep 9, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rex might be slightly above average...

..but I don’t think he ever gave up a dumb-ass safety-sack by going out of the back of the endzone on a roll out…….

"...and if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know". SL

by Southern Lion on Sep 8, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably just a matter of opportunity.

by socctty on Sep 8, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rex may be better right now

but I think he is as good at this point in his career as he is ever going to be, which is to say, not very good. I think Dan O has a lot more upside and will ultimately justify the money we threw at him. Rexy is going to remind us all of Sage – one week he’ll pass for 400 yards and 3 TDs and the next week he’ll post a 0.0 passer rating and the morgue will fill up with Texans fans who died of alcohol poisoning.

I am pretty sure we will see Dan O next year. I am equally sure we will not see Rexy.

by cubic on Sep 8, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Grossman is Gross…

It may be now..it may be later...later aint gonna be no use! Am I right Al? We got alot of angry guys in their black panthers,muslims, young lords, besides you average anti-socials. We gotta go in, am I right, clean their clocks!

by Peter Chung on Sep 9, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most Disturbing Aspect To Me

Is that Dan Orlovsky, he of the big free agent contract, stayed healthy throughout the preseason and yet failed to demonstrate enough progress to beat out Rex Grossman, who was sidelined for the vast majority of the preseason with an injury and was never expected to rise about No. 3 on the depth chart.

When you factor in that Kubes never announced that there was an open competition for the backup gig, it makes this announcement even more disheartening (for Orlovsky backers).

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Sep 8, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

…so there are a handful of disappointed fans! ………….oops! ….sorry, Tim!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 9, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yahoo!

My gut tells me that if Schaub goes down, the Texans will scour the waiver wire for a competent backup . . . so the point is probably moot, anyway.

by truerock74 on Sep 9, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am...

A Bears fan, you want Sexy Rexy over than scrub!!! Andre Johnson will have a career day, ask Bernard Berrian!

by pedro316 on Sep 10, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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