Why Dunta Robinson Will Remain A Houston Texan in 2010
by TexansDC on Jan 10, 2010 3:14 PM CST
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PrintI know he's not popular with any Houston Texans fan, but Dunta Robinson WILL be back in Houston in 2010.
Why would I state such a alcohol-fueled stupid ridiculous bold claim? Well, I state that for a few reasons. First, there's no real plausible upgrade in free agency or in the draft. The top-rated CB in the draft? Florida's Joe Haden who leads a class of maybe two or three first-round CBs. The top-rated free agent? It's either the Vikings' Antoine Winfield or Terence Newman from the Cowboys.
I know you're probably saying the following: "Fuck Dunta!" "Surely, those corners are better than Dunta." "What the hell are you on?" "Fuck Dunta!" "I think you've had more than enough to drink." "Anyone's better than Dunta." "Fuck Dunta!" "He's always getting burned. I see it every week!" "The Texans would be stupid to offer him any sort of contract!" "Fuck Dunta!"
Not so fast, my fellow Texan fans. Haden is a good corner, but he should be gone by pick 12 with the 2nd best corner, Michigan's Donovan Warren, soon to follow while Florida State CB Patrick Robinson is projected as a late 1st to mid-2nd round pick. Personally, I'd love to see Boise State CB Kyle Wilson or Alabama's Javier Arenas taken in the 3rd round, but they obviously won't be able to immediately step into the #1 role.
On the pro side, Winfield is a great run stopper, but QBs throwing at him have a 117.4 QB rating (7th worst of CBs to take at least 25% of snaps). Newman's considered a top corner in the NFL, but it's expected he'll re-sign with Jerah and America's South Oklahoma's team. Also, both Winfield and Newman are pushing 33, and teams tend to shy away from big money deals with players past their primes. Besides that, Dunta's actually not so bad in coverage.
After the jump, I'm going to break down the coverage (since this is a CB's primary job) stats of Dunta and his teammates using two well-known stat geek sites.
Pro Football Outsiders: Texans pass coverage versus #1 WRs
18th ranked versus #1 WRs: 13.4% DVOA (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average), 7.4 Passes/Game and 58.9 yards per game.
NFL average versus #1 WRs: 0.5% (which makes sense since it's the average) DVOA, 7.9 Pa/Gm, and 63.8 yards per game.
Despite the ranking (which is based on DVOA for which only 14 teams had negative DVOA), The Texans are slightly better than average versus #1s. Why does that matter? Well, Dunta usually covers an opponent's top receiver. For the record, the Texans were a little worse against #2 WRs (22nd for Mr. Glover Quin), good against 3s and 4s (13th), really struggled against TEs (29th), and were the NFL leaders versus RBs looking to catch a pass.
On the season, only one #1 WR went for over 100 yards on the Texans: Bengals WR Chad Ochocinco. Moss, Fitzgerald, and Wayne didn't gain more than 80 yards against the Texans. Whether you hate Dunta or simply dislike him, that's pretty solid play.
Pro Football Focus:
Out of 108 CBs who have taken at least 25% of snaps, Dunta rates 58th on coverage - the best of any Houston Texan. Dunta is one spot ahead of Jacques Reeves and 30 spots ahead of Quin - the worst listed Texan. In Quin's defense, he and Reeves are 19th and 35th against the run respectively while Dunta sits 85th, but I digress from the coverage stats.
Of the 39 CBs who took 75% or more of their team's snaps (Dunta took 1,002 snaps, 3rd on the Houston defense behind LBs DeMeco Ryans and Brian Cushing), Dunta sits 20th in fewest yards against and tied for 18th on TDs allowed. That's roughly in the middle as all of the PFF and PFO stats have shown. For a quick comparison, Newman gave up more yards (698), and both Newman and Winfield gave up more TDs (4 and 6) than Dunta (594 and 3).
Overall, Dunta improved over the 2nd half of the season. PFF has him at -7.3 overall rating for the 1st half of the season and -4.4 for the second half for an overall of -11.7 (-8.0 of that on penalties). Why the improvement? Well, there's no easy answer, but you can toss out weak schedule since that 2nd half includes the Colts twice and the Patriots.
Speaking of Indy, we'll look at the Colts since that's easily the best passing attack we see every year. Against the Indianapolis Mannings, Dunta gave up 6 receptions, 43 yards, and 1 TD in two games versus Reggie Wayne. The 2nd Houston-Indy game was, in fact, Wayne's worst game of the season. Overall, Dunta gave up 9 receptions for 69 yards and 1 TD in two games against the 2nd best passing offense in the NFL. In the six games against the AFC South, Dunta did his part with per game averages of 3.3 receptions for 32.3 yards and 0.3 TDs. Yup, those numbers are the numbers of a man who gets abused every week. That's also why people like Jerome Solomon believe Dunta will get a contract offer from the Texans.
Of course, there are some things that the eye test does get correct. Dunta doesn't tackle as well as he used to. His 10 missed tackles in 2009 set a career high. However, as we try to find some silver lining here, the majority of those missed tackles came in the first half of the season. He had 15 tackles for a loss or no gain, two-thirds of those tackles came in the second half of the season.
Then there's the other glaring weakness for Dunta: penalties. According to PFF, Texan players were flagged with 111 accepted penalties which was around the middle of the pack in the NFL, so Dunta wasn't the only one drawing yellow on the team. Dunta was tied with LT Duane Brown (
Dunta's flags break down as such: 8 penalties, 1 declined, 7 for pass interference, 91 free yards, and 5 flags occuring on drives where no points were scored. Three flags did occur on drives where TDs were scored, and one of those came on a 3rd down.
For the curious types, Rams LT Alex Barron led the NFL with 14 penalties while Seahawks CB Marcus Trufant and Oakland's Stanford Routt led all DBs with 9.
Yes, the 8 penalties are among the league's worst. Yes, the holdout and shoe deal was douchey. Yes, the rust hurt us some. Overall though? Well, Dunta's quite average to even solid in coverage.
Luckily for Dunta, there's no one better out there who can plausibly be brought in which makes the situation more interesting. Is he going to get top-five (or ten) franchise CB money? No, Dunta will not receive an offer worth the amount he "earned" this season, but what if the Texans offered him a three-year deal for $10-15 million with team options for two additonal years and incentive bonuses for time played, stats, and awards/honors? Would that number lower expectations from fans? Would that be getting the best value?
Of course, for Dunta to return it is going to come down to two questions: what does Dunta think he is worth? How badly does Dunta want to remain part of the Texans? If he really wants to come back to Houston then will he accept, what I assume will be, a more modest offer from GM Richard Smith? If he does accept then Dunta will be back, and maybe it won't be the apocalyptic nightmare fans assume it will be.
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The only reason I think he may be back...
We don’t have anyone else to play the black guy with long hair position. Every team has at least one. Plus I think that is his biggest contribution.
While I think this is true...
I’d probably be willing to put money that the Indianapolis Mannings have no single long haired player.
Bob Sanders
Even though he doesn’t totally count.
by JollyGreenBucket on Jan 10, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Nice post
I think there’s a chance we sign him by default, which would make me sad. Otherwise, I’m not sure what else is out there for us to grab.
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Fuck Dunta.
That is all.
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by CFHTim on Jan 10, 2010 7:53 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
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by riversmccown on Jan 10, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Dunta...
couldn’t defend a butterfly catcher!!!
btw, why the flag?
by bluezzball_sports on Jan 12, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
everything gets flagged around here mostly just as a joke.
Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.
Or as a response
to wood.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
maybe for illegal use of the hands for a 15 yard penalty, like Dunta usually gets
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Jan 21, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
It looks like it is inevitable
Dunta will probably be a Texan next season. That means that the secondary will be a weakness next season that will have to be overcompensated for. Not every position or every area on the field can be your strength. It just means that the Texans will have to get better in other areas. A big hoss DT, a speedy LB, plus perhaps experiment with moving Glover Quin to FS on defense might be ways to make the defense stronger.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I don't think Dunta would be a weakness...
But work needs to be done. Improving the pass rush will improve the entire secondary. Bad, forced throws lead to DBs making plays (as evidenced by the New England game).
Dunta, post-injury, really hasn’t adapted to his physical limitations. This is a guy who had 2 banged up years and missed a whole offseason of OTAs and training camp. That’s months of going against Andre Johnson. That’s months figuring out that he lost a step and has to do more work than simply relying on physical skills. One thing I’d like to see more of is him jamming at the line. Far too often, Dunta plays off the ball about 5-8 yards. Before, he could keep passes in front of him and make the tackle, but now he whiffs. One simple adjustment could really improve his game. Also, his lack of top-end speed should lead him from taking all #1 WRs to taking an opponent’s possession (slower) WR.
all good points
It’s a team game. Dunta is not the worst thing that can happen to the defense next year. As usual, I think we are saying the same things, just in different ways. As you said, improving the rush will improve the secondary. I suggested that adding a hoss DT or speedy LB would make the defense better. One would aid the rush and the other would cover more area in the secondary; both making it easier for the CBs to do their jobs and make plays.
I like your suggestion of more bumping at the line of scrimmage. I would think that is a coaching decision, wouldn’t you? If the CBs are playing off, I am thinking it’s the coaches dictating that style of play. Maybe someone can enlighten me on that.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
bumping. . .
I listened to one game I couldn’t watch due to driving and every third down I would say “3 man rush zone coverage” only to be repeated by the announcer as the play began. Maybe a little less predictable, soft 3rd down play calling would have helped the whole defense let alone the secondary. Maybe we wouldn’t be 25th in pass rush if we’d rush the passer on passing downs.
Hole Poking
Scouting-wise: Dunta was incredibly lucky on deep balls this year. He had to be something like 1 or 2 for 11 on deep balls either being overthrown, unfortunately dropped by the receiver, or called back on penalty. Off the top of my head, there is Torry Holt in St. Louis (overthrown), Ted Ginn in the Miami game (penalty), Chad Braylon Edwards in Cinci (ball came loose when Chad hit the ground), Kenny Britt here against us. I’m pretty sure I could find 3 or 4 other examples if I really looked around. Point is: he was not doing the covering there.
vs. Reggie Wayne: The Texans basically used Wilson to double Wayne in both games. The only catches he got were against the soft zone on the side. Thus, why Dallas Clark caught like 25 between both games in single coverage.
Free Agency: Check out Leigh Bodden. Also, nobody thought Glover Quin would be ready to step onto the field this year. Rookies can play right away. Key is finding the right rookies.
Overall: Agree that he improved in the second half, but he is still terrible amounts of bad. Also agree that there is a better than average chance that we keep him, but I chalk that up to poor player evaluation and a real reticence in the Houston staff to get rid of underperformers who they think are players.
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*Torry Holt should read Donnie Avery
Yikes. Torry Holt probably beat him deep too at some point though.
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by riversmccown on Jan 10, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
We should treat Dunta like any other disappointment............
upgrade if possible, and if not make an appropriate contract offer. Pay Meco top $$$, consider making a decent offer to OD and possibly KW, but no way should a lucrative offer be made to Dunta. His market value has to be low after the miserable season he had. We fans surely could not have been the only ones to note that Dunta was consistently beat on the deep routes. Who wants a CB who constantly needs safety help with a deep threat? Take advantage of that and offer a low base + incentives if and only if we cannot find a suitable replacement in FA or the draft.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Jan 10, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
I completely overlooked Bodden
He stacks up favorably in the play-making aspects (INTs and PDs), while allowing near-identical yards and touchdowns.
If they could get him for a good deal then there’s the needed improvement. That move would probably come down to dollars as Bodden has the play-making stats to garner more cash than Dunta.
As we see with Quin, rookies have to grow into the role. I think the corners don’t fall off a lot from rounds 1 to 3, but I can’t see anyone coming on and playing well immediately. Again, I go back to Arenas and Wilson because they are playmakers. No one really knows what the draft strategy will be until post-Combine and Pro Days.
On the hole poking, there are those plays. Dunta doesn’t have the speed to take on burners like Avery or Ginn. Someone had suggested that Dunta hasn’t adjusted to his slower game by being more aggressive at the line. That’s pretty true as he seems to play 5-8 yards off the line of scrimmage. However, the end result still occured. Luck’s a part of the game as we saw with the miraculous win the Broncos had over the Bengals.
Yes
Luck is a part of the game.
However, do you want to plan on us being that lucky again next season? Because I don’t. Luck tends to be a fickle mistress. It doesn’t change anything that happened on the field this season, but it’s a pretty strong warning sign to me that Dunta is not as good as the numbers you are pointing out say he is. And those numbers are average at best in the first place.
Which isn’t to say that I don’t think he’ll be back. I just don’t think he SHOULD be back. Hah.
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by riversmccown on Jan 10, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I never want to depend on luck.
Can’t depend on that nor should anyone.
However, I do think Dunta can modify his game for his slowed post-injury self.
Prior to 09, he had not played a full season since 2006. He got hurt in 2007, and doesn’t resume playing until mid-2008. Right after that season, Dunta holds out and misses OTAs and training camp to the point where he has to get in shape during the season.
There’s never a time for him to work on his game on the practice field. Before, he relied on his athleticism to save him, but now he’s still playing way off the ball and not covering his lack of speed with physical play on the line.
Imagine if he had a full offseason of OTAs and training camp. Now combine that with a switch to a team’s possession receiver as opposed to their speedy deep threats (as opposed to 1s and 2s). I think Dunta could be physical and throw off the timing of the Boldins as opposed to hanging onto the Fitzgeralds.
My whole point is that Dunta still has something there despite the “garbage year.” He just needs to realize that his game needs to change and that he’s not the shutdown corner he sees in his mind. He’s a solid corner who needs to reinvent his game (ala Charles Woodson once upon a time….who had to reinvent himself after some average years in Oakland).
I'd be more inclined to agree
If more of those long bombs I cited weren’t in the second half of the season.
I applaud you for sticking up for Dunta (cause it is not an easy job) and taking the glass half-full route here, but I just can’t see him ever being anything better than mediocre. I don’t think he’ll be paid as if he is mediocre. Thus, he gets the boot in my world.
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by riversmccown on Jan 10, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Dunta will be and should be a Texan in 2010
We all hate Dunta for some reason or another, but the truth of the matter is that getting rid of Dunta will hurt the Texans. It is easy to see that he his not the old Dunta that we knew of pre-injury, but he is still a viable option as an NFL cornerback. He a veteran in the defensive backfield that we need with young guys like Quin, McCain, Barber, and whoever we draft.
As for the hate that everyone feels, personally I think its plain stupid. Yes, Dunta wanted to get paid more than he was worth but whats wrong with that? Yes, Dunta committed a few horrible pass interference calls but as the stats show, he was not horrible on the football field this season. What happens this summer if OD wants big time money and holds out if the team franchises him? Would all the Dunta haters become OD haters because the dude wanted more money? We know now that Dunta was not worth his franchise tag, but he knows that too and will be able to be signed for less what we gave him this season.
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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I thought he was stupid for wanting the money he wants but I didn’t hate him for it. I hated him for acting like a stupid spoiled child about it and holding out and whining and gining and putting “Pay me rick” on his shoes, and acting like he just didn’t give a shit after the game. If OD does that, then OD can go fuck off too.
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by nolander on Jan 10, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Has anyone thought that everything Dunta did in negotiations last year was intended to....
get him franchised? Is that possible? No, he’s not that wily….couldn’t be…..
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
you mean by
turning down $23M guaranteed, he was hoping to get a $9.9M one year tag?
I guess anything’s possible.
Mount Cody in round 1
Well...
those franchise amounts are also guaranteed. So maybe he thought $9.9 last year, $10.98 if franchised this year, and then $13M+ on a third tagged year were the better play.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
sign one little piece of paper
and get $23M guaranteed US Dollars.
Or
Bitch, get tagged, half ass play the first 12 games of the season, then try like hell in the last 4 to get tagged.
Repeat.
Repeat.
Not bloody likely.
Mount Cody in round 1
Remarkably...
The longest PI was for 22 yards (Week 7 versus the 49ers).
Everything else measures in between 7 and 15 yards. The 22 yarder was probably a sure-fired TD (although it would qualify as a good penalty because of the fact that the 49ers got 0 points on the drive). The others? Ehhh, who knows if the WR would break it or not. That’s harder to say.
I don't really care how far the penalty was down field
I care how much open field was between them and the end zone. The whole reason he committed most of those PIs was because the guy was going to blow by him and be wide open. Maybe the PI was committed 15 yards down field, but the catch would have been further down field and who knows how far the receiver would have run before anyone caught up?
Using PIs can be an effective strategy here and there, but when you have to do it as much as Dunta did its worrisome. I wouldn’t be entirely against bringing him back on a one year deal at significantly reduced pay, as long as we continue trying to find some more CB talent in the draft or FA. Even if we go out and get a CB in the 1st round, I wouldn’t be comfortable with them playing as CB1 on the first snap of the first game next year, and would rather have them earn the role.
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I like the contrarian thinking
We should welcome this kind of thought regardless of whether or not we agree.
I tend to agree with Rivers on his performance. Dunta did get better over the course of the season, and if he plays every game like he did against the Pats, I would be happy to have him back at a significantly reduced salary. However, I don’t see that happening.
The Texans.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 11, 2010 7:53 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Couldn't Agree More
Well said, TGC. And I love that you took a difficult position and defended it, TDC.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
Appreciate that...
I’d like to think this fanbase is more open to debates than the one led by Mr. BANNED!
The Third Reich
was more open to dissent and debate than that blog.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
by MDC on Jan 11, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
imagine that
no training camp + not trying for a few GAMES (much less how he practiced) = crappy first half.
Good second half probably had nothing to do with the fact he realized he was soon to be looking for a good contract and his play didn’t even merit that tag he so desperately tried to avoid.
So I’m not sure I want even a reduced rate Dunta. I’ll take a player who tries hard for 16 games because he wants us to succeed.
Mount Cody in round 1
winfield may be past his prime...
but dunta will never have one
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by canadian texan on Jan 11, 2010 10:50 AM CST reply actions
No plausible upgrade??! WHAT ABOUT THESE:
Any of these should be upgrades over Dunta:
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Jan 11, 2010 4:00 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
The top pic
reminds me of Jordan Black.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
The second pick is actually a pre-season Busing picture.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Jan 11, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Before he lost a step
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
by MDC on Jan 11, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I spit my coke out, thanks.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Jan 11, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That picture is inspiring.
Or at least, Richard Smith thought so…
You're forgetting our starting safety
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by riversmccown on Jan 11, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Nice photo essay!
I think that’s the first one ever about something related to the Texans or the media who cover them.
Amirite?
The Texans.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 13, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
i actually said that a while back...
but i agree. there’s nothing really out there that would be considered an upgrade.
and understand, it’s not so much the numbers, it’s the TIMELY penalties, and missed tackles. remember that big ass whiff against buffalo? or against the titans? im done hating on dunta. if he’s back, i’ll welcome him back with open arms, i’ve always liked the guy. it’s just damn frustrating.
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Or the whiff on 4th down
against Jax?
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
You would think that an NFL Defensive player would know by now to WRAP THE GUY UP.
If Dunta would stop the superman-fly-through-the-air crap where he bounces off or misses tackles, he wouldn’t be such a liability.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Remember the Miami game two years ago?
When Travis Johnson put Trent Green in a coma. That shit all happened because Dunta tried to lay the wood on Ted Ginn, and like a jackass, opted not to wrap up. Instead of a twenty-yard loss, it wound up being roughly no-gain (except a hilarious fake conversation).
by Nashmeister on Jan 13, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
My only issue with the numbers you've used
is that, as you kinda mention, Dunta “usually” covers the WR1. There were a number of times, though I couldn’t even guess a percentage, when he was not covering the #1. I would suspect that, if there were some way to measure the Dunta-only plays v. WR1, the number would not be as good.
My other thought is that this season we didn’t exactly play many team with star WR1s. In our division, Mike Sims-Walker is probably the best non-Texan WR (though he was technically the WR2 in our first game, I believe). Non-division games, the WR1s were:
Jerricho Cotchery (who was so uninspiring that the Jets traded for Braylon)
Chaz Schilens/Darrius Heyward-Bey (should have been Bey, but he didn’t do dick)
Larry Fitzgerald (a man-beast who put up 5 for 79 and 2 TDs against us)
Chad Ochocinco (5 for 103, but no TDs)
Josh Morgan (at least when we played them, as that was Crabtree’s first game)
Terrell Owens (5 for 39, though it’s worth noting he had one of his worst statistical years and 5 catches was tied for his second-highest single-game output on the season)
T.J. Houshmandzadeh (4 for 52…nicely done, D)
Danny Amendola (white guy, still scored a TD…ouch)
Davone Bess (5 for 45…solid work)
Randy Moss (who, despite not putting forth much effort at all, got 5 for 75)
Point being, other than Fitzgerald and maybe Ochocinco, we didn’t really play any WR1s at a time when they weren’t either having a shitty season overall or just half-assing it because they didn’t care about playoff seeding and weren’t about to get injured. Yet despite this, Dunta still had 8 PIs, many of which were of the “grab on cuz I just got beat” variety.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
I could (and probably will) pull up the numbers on Dunta vs. #1s straight up. Right now though, I say usually because, unfortunately, Bush loves to run zone defense which will change match-ups and help us become doormats.
On the PIs, 5 came on drives which ultimately ended with 0 points. You’d have to check the game footage to see, but that’s potentially 5 “good” penalties. Out of the other 3 PIs, those led to points. 1 of which came on a 3rd down. You can cite the number 8 for Dunta, but it only turned up 3 crucial penalties (admittedly, all 3 games we lost…Colts, Colts, Titans….just another reason for the close losses).
As for the best non-Texan WR, I like Sims-Walker, but he hasn’t surpassed Reggie Wayne (and his cybernetic forehead lover) as the top threat in the division.
My bad
I completely fucking blanked on Reggie Wayne.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
quite a leap
to say since Dunta caused a PI after which his teammates eventually picked him up and stopped the drive it became a “good penalty.” That’s 20/20 hindsight.
If I false start on a play where Schaub throws a pick its dumb luck, not a good penalty.
He should be a good enough player to not have to resort to PI’s to save TD’s. And the team bailing him out afterwards should not factor into whether he was a revolving door for several plays in a game.
Mount Cody in round 1
All stats coming courtesy of PFF. Used team-listed depth charts. Done quickly.
2-3 for 35 yards on Jericho Cotchery (No surprise, Cotchery scorched 21 yards on John Busing)
1-1 for 12 yards on Justin Gage
2-4 for 41 yards on Holt (He did end up switching to Sims-Walker who had beat Bennett and Busing for 5 rec and 72 yards.)
Whether it was Heyward-Bey or Murphy, Dunta allowed a combined 1-6 for 12 yards.
2-3 for 32 yards and a TD versus Fitzgerald (the overall numbers are suggesting a zone-heavy game here…and they opted to throw elsewhere)
5-7 for 103 yards versus OchoCinco (He did have a tackle in the backfield against Benson…which, technically, kept his overall yards yielded to under 100)
2-2 for 33 yards versus Josh Morgan (Of course, Vernon Davis torched us that game)
1-1 for 5 yards versus Lee Evans (I will support this decision. Evans is more of a threat than the aging Owens)
3-4 for 24 yards versus Reggie Wayne
3-4 for 37 yards and 1 TD versus Kenny Brit (Gage was injured)
3-4 for 19 yards and 1 TD versus Reggie Wayne
1-5 for 8 yards versus Torry Holt (Big Props to Jacques Reeves for shutting down Sims-Walker in this game 1 for 5 for 12 yards)
1-2 for -2 yards versus TJ Houshmandzadeh (Another zone heavy game suggested by the stats)
2-4 for 19 yards on Donnie Avery (and for the record, he only covered Amendola, their 2nd WR, for 1 play and it was incomplete. The TD came versus McCain)
Ended up covering Ted Ginn the most which led to 2-2 for 44 yards and a bailout penalty (A heavy zone game by the coverage numbers since most defenders have 4-6 WRs listed)
3-4 for 30 yards versus Randy Moss. (41 of Moss’s yards came against Bernard Pollard)
Combined: 34-56 (61%) for 452 yards and 3 TDs. (Per game avg: 2-3.5 for 28.25 yards and 0.19 TDs)
Ocho burned him, he couldn’t handle the speed of Ted Ginn, but outside of that…he manned up pretty well. Oh, and the Texans should stop running the zone because we (everyone’s numbers) play better in man coverage.
Interesting
Though I assume this doesn’t account for us in zone coverage, WR1 catches a ball in Dunta’s zone but with Dunta out of position or not locked in on him?
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
This is everything WR1 vs. Dunta
However, you can tell games where we manned up versus zone because of how many receivers a DB was responsible for and the huge chunks of yards versus our safeties. The defense, as a whole, plays better in man coverage when our corners were left to take on the WRs and safeties played the TE.
Also...
with the addition of Wayne, I guess my point still stands that we weren’t exactly facing a ton of bad ass WR1s, so the fact that WR2s’ numbers were comparable probably speaks more to teams spreading it around on our zone than the relatively good ranking of us against WR1s speaks to Dunta’s coverage. The man numbers are still kind of eye-opening, though.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
It does surprise me that people didn't target Dunta...
it surprises me more to see how Quin and Reeves did in their own man-to-man assignments….and surprises me even more how often we went to zone coverage when we completely sucked at it.
The addition of a space-eating NT could do wonders for the DBs especially if we forget the 3 man rush zone.
in the NFL
we can only play who they put us against.
And Dunta can only play who the coaches put him against.
You can’t dismiss his stats because of inferior competition. The rest of the league didn’t play Reggie Wayne 16 times either.
His suckitude speaks for itself, it doesn’t need any help. He may work in the nickel next season.
Mount Cody in round 1
I'm not dismissing them
I’m just saying that they might look better than they really were because of some outside variable that won’t be the same next year. So thinking that he did pretty good for you at CB1 this year based on those numbers might then be a mistake.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
i beg to disagree sir!
1-1 for 5 yards versus Lee Evans (I will support this decision. Evans is more of a threat than the aging Owens)
couldn’t tell from that move he put on dunta….
Michael: It is going to up in Tahoe a couple more days. Maybe you could take a date?
Lucille: How am I supposed to find someone willing to go into that musty old claptrap?
Michael: The cabin... yes! That would be difficult, too.
http://www.twitter.com/doobieman21
Of course...
When evaluating the Buffalo game, surely you have to take into account his horrible blown containment and flailing tackle on TO on the end-around.
by Nashmeister on Jan 14, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, and I was having such a nice day. Thanks...
Fortunately I still have the Texans-Pats game recorded.
So looks like the Texans will beat the Pats every Sunday until August in my house.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Jan 14, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
replay the
Barwin hit on Brady and the subsequent whining. over and over again.
Mount Cody in round 1
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