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Filling the Voids: Safety Prospects

Filling the voids. I bet you'd like that, huh? Get it in there, nice an' deep like. No, wait, no, not what I meant. I haven't even seen the new Indiana Jones movie! I don't even mean filling the huge void left by the collapse of Dunta's puffed up ego, or even BFD's appetite for Filipino tranny pr0n, which is an abyss comparable to the space representative of Chris Johnson's inability to think coherent thoughts or perhaps the place where Al Davis currently keeps his sanity. Nope, this time we are talking about the Texans. They are who we thought they were, which was a great offensive team hampered by a garbage secondary and by lacking a strong nose tackle presence. 

Wait. We've been here before. Oh ya! Last year, and the year before that. Yup, and the year before that one too. I predict, nay, I proclaim, that this shall be the year our benevolent dictator Rick Smith takes us to the promised land of drafting talent to fill our needs. Please Rick, do it for the kids.

Today we are gonna take a look a first and a few second round safety prospects. We are looking at first and second round safety prospects because, I swear to Durga and all that anyone else considers holy, if we take a late round flier at safety, the piercing vile screams you hear as the physical manifestations of hate and rage explode from my body and fly to Houston to torment and then subsequently eviscerate Rick Smith in public will be nothing compared to the ensuing aftermath. Think Dogma church scene, plus Pitch Black, plus Constantine, with a little bit of that one movie where Arnold impales himself on the statue of the sword to get away from the demon. Something along those lines. Ahem. Anyways, your potential 2010 safety prospects follow.

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Eric Berry, Tennessee

I hear the name, and my knees tremble a bit. Eric Berry is probably the best safety prospect since Ed Reed. 5'11, 203, and probably going to run a 4.3 at the combine, he is one of the most statistically dominant players in the NCAA. Compared to Ed Reed, but faster, he is a guaranteed top 5 lock. He just turned 21 in December, and he has already won -

  • 2009 Unanimous All-American
  • 2000s ESPN All-Decade High School Football Team
  • 2000s RivalsHigh.com Team Of The Decade First Team
  • 2000s Sports Illustrated All-Decade Team
  • 2009 Jim Thorpe Award
  • 2009 Bronko Nagurski Award Finalist
  • 2009 Lott Award Finalist
  • 2009 Unanimous All-American
  • 2009 Jack Tatum Award Winner
  • 2009 First-team All-SEC (Coaches, AP)
  • 2008 Unanimous All-American
  • 2008 National Defensive Sophomore of the Year (Collegefootballnews.com)
  • 2008 SEC Defensive Player of the Year
  • 2008 Jack Tatum Award Winner
  • 2008 First-team All-SEC (Coaches, AP)
  • 2008 Vince Dooley Award
  • 2008 Jim Thorpe Award Finalist
  • Unanimous 2007 First-team Freshman All-American
  • 2007 National Defensive Freshman of the Year (Collegefootballnews.com)
  • 2007 SEC Freshman Defensive Player of the Year (Sporting News)
  • 2007 Second-team All-SEC (Coaches, AP)
  • 2007 All-SEC Freshmen Team
  • 2007 All-SEC Freshmen Academic Honor Roll
  • 2006 Georgia High School Player of the Year (Gatorade)

 (copy pasted from his wikipedia )

Fantastic ball skills. Great hands. Phenomenal return ability. Plays great deep or can man up over receivers and excel. Will come down hill and knock you out. Leader on the field. I know it seems a little much, but he is that good. This kid has it all. He is probably the top talent available in this draft, and basically a guaranteed top 5 pick. You're thinking, "Well, the Texans are picking 20th, what is our interest here?" Our interest here, folks, is that this kid is worth trading up for. I'm generally not a big fan of trading up, and even with our troubles at DT, CB1 and 2, WLB, interior offensive line, and RB, Eric Berry is worth it. Eric Berry plus Bernard Pollard playing the way he did this season would be a force to be reckoned with.

For your viewing pleasure.

 

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Earl Thomas, Texas

This beast of a safety from Texas is projected as a late first round pick, which puts him in our draft range. I'm pretty sure the only reason he is not a top ten pick is his small frame. At 5'10, 200 lbs, he is slightly smaller that what you want, but his production and skills make up for it in my mind. Great speed and great instincts, he closes on receivers quickly and eliminates space, preventing YAC. He comes down hill and is solid in run support. Not as fast as Berry but still very fast. Other than his size, some of his biggest set backs have been him getting excited and going for the big hit as opposed to the sure tackle. Great upside and great talent, he would be very worthy of the 20th pick in the draft.

 

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Taylor Mays, USC

Taylor Mays is an athletic freak. At 6'4, 225, running a 4.4, he is almost a guarantee to the Raiders, as Al Davis is obsessed with height, weight, and 40 time. Mays is a big hitter, coming down hill and more than willing to stick his nose into contact. He causes quite a few drops by hitting you really, really hard. If Texans scouts are any good, he will NOT be a Texan come April.

Wait, whaa? Yeah, you heard me. The kid has no ball skills. He will never make it as a free safety in the NFL unless something magical happen between the draft and the field. He's not very instinctive in coverage. Mays isn't a good tackler, almost always going for the big hit instead of the sure tackle. In the last three seasons, he has only one forced fumble and two interceptions. For someone with incredible size and speed, he should be able to create more turnovers than that. I am not a big fan, but he is a 1st/2nd round talent, so keep your eyes open.

WATCH HIM PLAY! THE HYPNOTOAD COMMANDS IT!

Other than those three, there are a couple late second round, early third round-ish safeties available that we will gloss over pretty quickly.

Chad Jones, LSU

At 6'3, 220, and running a 4.6, Jones is a big strong (strong) safety. 2nd Team All-SEC in the AP and Coaches poll, he has good return skills, to go along with good tackling. A big hitter, and solid over the top, he does struggle a bit in man to man coverage. Will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick and will probably become a pretty good strong safety in the NFL.

Morgan Burnett, Georgia Tech

Morgan Burnett is a solid free safety for the Yellow Jackets. 11 INT's over the last 2 years, he has good ball skills and good hands. At 6'1, 210, he is sized to play both free safety or strong safety. Better natural instincts than a lot of players, he is simply not that polished coming out. A ton of upside for this kid, but you just have to be aware you aren't drafting a finished product. I would be happy with Burnett if we got Williams/Cody/Haden in the first round.

This is a basic preview of who might be a Texan this upcoming April. Any questions, arguments, obscenities, threats? What do y'all think of these kids? And what do you want to see next? 

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I think it’s actually a very deep draft for safetys..

I think Berry is a beast, but no way near the texans pick.. i would love to see Earl Thomas in a Texan uniform! Mays.. don’t think he fits in at FS..

We’ll probably end up with Klint Kubiak, FS, Colorado State, in the 7th round.. ;(

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by zala on Jan 13, 2010 5:42 AM CST reply actions  

walter football has..

NT Dan Williams in the first round
CB Perrish Cox in the second
RB Toby Gerhart in the third..

that’s actually not a bad draft?

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php

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by zala on Jan 13, 2010 6:12 AM CST reply actions  

Gerhart in R3

just gave me wood.

380 lbs of pure pirogi

by LoneSpot on Jan 13, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Too bad

we wouldn’t have anyone to block for him. I want Gerhart, but if we don’t improve our line it would be pointless.

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Seconded.

If we don’t take an OG in the first three rounds (or sign Logan Mankins!), I’m going to mail a box filled with poop to Rick Smith.

by Nashmeister on Jan 13, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

If we take an OG in the first round

I might finally snap and kill all of you.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Beat me to it.

I came back to this thread to mention that.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

For reals?

None of the free agent lists I’ve looked at list him as such. Does that hinge upon a new CBA?

by Nashmeister on Jan 13, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup

He was 2005 draft, meaning he’ll be in the “less than 6 years” group.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Gerhart in the third round????

Teams would be lucky if he made it halfway through the second round

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Jan 13, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

IIRC

He graduated early so he could focus on the draft. That sounds like an unofficial declaration to me.

380 lbs of pure pirogi

by LoneSpot on Jan 13, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

He was awarded an extra year of eligibility

because he suffered a season-ending injury very early in 2007.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Last I heard...

He was waiting for the NFL’s advisory committee (or whatever it is) to give him his projected draft status. From everything I’ve seen and read, no one has him going higher than mid-2nd round. Most people have him in the 3rd round. It’ll be interesting to see if he comes out or if he returns to try and get Stanford to the Rose Bowl.

by TexansDC on Jan 14, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Stanford is not going to the Rose Bowl..

UW is! :)

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by whiskey chainsaw on Jan 18, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

In an interview on ESPN

Gerhart blundered a statement that his near future plans were to train for the combine. Then he stuttered and had a “Aw crap it slipped out” look on his face.

by HoustonTransplant on Jan 14, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep, just as I thought....

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Jan 15, 2010 1:27 AM CST up reply actions  

The fear of Eric Berry

is what caused the first pic in that highlight reel. The reciever not only took his eyes off the ball, he turned his head all the way around looking for Berry. And then of course watched him run it all the way back. Not that I blame him, if I were a receiver playing against Berry I would lobby for nothing but end arounds.

by ~Buck on Jan 13, 2010 7:35 AM CST reply actions  

Stupid non edit function

I would love for Thomas to be a Texan. I just don’t think the Texans put that high of a value on safeties (my perception of the obvious is amazing). So if that’s their thing then I hope they go with Joe Haden, if he falls to us, or Patrick Robinson in the second, then try GQ out at safety.

by ~Buck on Jan 13, 2010 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

With the 19th selection in the 2010 NFL Bizarro Draft, the Houston Texans select:

1. a RB
2. a Safety
3. a WR

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

those are positions

we don’t usually draft high. JJ being the only exception I can think of in the Smithiak era.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

RB in the 1st round is more shocking to me.

WR…well….only if it were Dex Bryant. Then I’d think about pairing him with Andre.

by TexansDC on Jan 13, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I've seen him mocked to us in the first

and I am not excited about this. We have too many holes on the other side of the ball. Bush needs more toys.

Luckily, the off-field issues will most likely have Smithiak taking a pass, so we don’t have to worry about it.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't agree to drafting Bryant over filling a need...

but I’d be lying if I said the three-headed monster of Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, and Jacoby Jones didn’t make me drool a bit….now that’s a goddamned JUGGERNAUT.

3 WR set with Dreessen at TE. The field is stretched for Slaton or Foster. That just makes me giddy….

But, of course, I’m on the Dan Williams bandwagon right now.

by TexansDC on Jan 13, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

That would make our offense a JUGGERNAUT.

But having Dan Williams/Terrence Cody would be HUGE.

Antonio Smith———Terrence Cody/Dan Williams————Okoye———-Super Mario

Now that line looks like downright scary.

by Jordann on Jan 13, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You have to factor in...

that the Big Beefy NT will help keep linemen off our LBs….

Just for the fact that Cody/Williams can help Okoye and Mario, it makes it worthwhile. Then you add in the help to the LBs on the run…and then you add in the improved pass rush’s help to the DBs…..that one big, massive man mountain helps our defense tremendously.

by TexansDC on Jan 13, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

For use of ‘man mountain’.

380 lbs of pure pirogi

by LoneSpot on Jan 13, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

this year Texans draft a safety early. One thing Frank Bush has working for him is his willingness to learn and make changes. That coupled with the play of Bernard Pollard, and Eugene Wilson, I believe will prompt them to draft a FS early. The drop-off from Eugene Wilson to Busing/Barber was too big for Frank Bush to ignore.

by kaizer on Jan 13, 2010 8:18 AM CST reply actions  

Search Engines

Since this is a main-page post, you may want to change ‘porn’ to ‘pr0n’.

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by Shake on Jan 13, 2010 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

Riott Lives!

Who knew?

Pretty good looking Safeties up there. I think I would be okay with any of them. I’ve always liked Mays, but I may be a little biased on USC guys, admittedly.

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by Mike Kerns on Jan 13, 2010 10:01 AM CST reply actions  

why biased towards USC?

Do you walk around in pink popped collared shirts all day? DO YOU?

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Uhhh, No.

I just think that a lot of their talent does fall victim of “The USC Hype Machine.” But as we saw in last years draft, they are usually hyped for a reason. Sure, there have been busts (REGGIE! REGGIE! REGGIE!). But there has been lots of USC guys that have met their hype (Cushing, Matthews and Maualuga) recently. Everyone was down on Cushing and he worked out. I think Mays would work out well here as well. But what does it matter? If his 40 time turns out as good at the combine as MDC is saying, he will be gone before we pick anyways.

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by Mike Kerns on Jan 13, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

hah fair enough

They have produced a ton of NFL talent, and my burning hatred for USC cannot deny that.

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't find the link now

but I saw something about four months ago from Pete Carroll saying that Mays was the best safety USC had ever had. Ever. Now, sure, that’s coach-hype, but to even have the balls to put him about Polamalu and Lott suggests that Carroll thought people would buy it. I mean, I couldn’t sit here and tell you Matt Stevens was the best safety we ever had and think you’d believe me.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Didn't Pete

Say the same thing about Reggie Bush being the best RB ever or something?

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by Mike Kerns on Jan 13, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't Matt Leinart the best QB?

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Jan 13, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

for obvious reasons.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Green

Also, I will admit on being wrong about Reggie.

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by Mike Kerns on Jan 13, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Possibly

Dunno

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The USC hype machine...

Only applies to offense, in my opinion. Outside of Steve Smith, I swear every offensive player they’ve put out in years has sucked hard. Even Carson Palmer sucks now. They’ve been pretty solid on D though.

by Nashmeister on Jan 13, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

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by DaGoaT on Jan 14, 2010 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

that pic always creeps me out

WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIS EYES

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by nolander on Jan 14, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he's related to the Kennedys

…she’s smiling like, just 5 more seconds and I can get off this deck and away from these bushes, where I don’t want to end up….

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Jan 14, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Re: Mays

I think you’re selling him short on his speed. He was electronically timed at 4.25 (once) and Joe McKnight has said repeatedly that Mays is faster than every RB and WR on the team.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

That doesn’t change the fact that I agree with Riot about his coverage skills. I’m not saying I would be upset with Mays. He’s a prototype athletically, and he’s had success in a big time program. I just think the USC hype machine got going on this guy and it got out of control. Berry or Thomas fits our needs better in my opinion. Mays can really struggle at times with his coverage.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 13, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

See below, but

he’s never really played enough coverage to have an adequate sample size. 95% of his coverage assignments came rolling over the top or picking up a guy that beat the CB. That’s just how Carroll’s D works. Thomas has one very good season playing behind a top 2 (I think) defense; Mays has 4 good seasons playing two different roles for Carroll. I think UT homerism and/or INT numbers are skewing people’s judgment here, at least re: Thomas and Mays.

I love Berry, but I don’t think he lasts past 10 and he has the same skillset as Pollard, so he would not exactly fill a need that I can see. Also, he’s less of a coverage guy than Mays.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I fully admit that UT homerism could have something to do with my love for Thomas. The only thing I will disagree with is your assesment that he only had one good year. He started every game as a redshirt Freshman on a damn good team, and was named a freshman all American. He might not have gotten the Pub of some of the other guys, but that’s mainly because the networks were to busy telling us that Colt and Jordan were roommates, and they have been friends forever, and their Dad’s played together, and they have this really special CONNECTION to mention anyone else on the Texas roster. I’m not going to lie. I’m kinda of glad I won’t have to listen to that anymore.

Berry- I got on his bandwagon after last season…mainly because I figured Mays would be a top five guys and I was interested in other safeties we might have a better shot at. I really haven’t watched him play all that much, so I’m going off reputation more than anything, and that’s always dangerous. I just thought Mays wasn’t matching up to the hype last year. I also fully admit to automatically starting to hate any player/team that gets heavy coverage from the media. That being said I think he’s a good player , but I was disappointed with him on several occasions that I watched him play. His big hitter mentality bugs me because he rarely wraps up…..but that seems to go for about 75% of players anyway. I have also heard that USC tries to keep him out of the weight room and really has to watch his weight to keep him from getting too big. I’ll be interested to see what he runs, in the shuttles especially

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by papabear on Jan 13, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

re: seeing what he runs. If he’s better than 4.4, though, and slides past us, I’ll be pissed.

Fair enough point on Earl last season. You are right that I never really heard his name, so I suppose I assumed it was because he wasn’t doing much rather than the Colt-Jordan lovefest.

I like Berry, but he strikes me as a slightly slower, slightly smaller Taylor Mays with more question marks. Either guy may be a flop, but Mays’ skillset and longer track record make me prefer him, all else being equal.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I have no UT homerism at all

If anything, I tend to lean towards USC. But Mays played on an absolutely stacked defense in 2008 and didn’t force a single turnover. In his four year career, he has four picks and one forced fumble… Even if you don’t spend much time in coverage, that’s pretty damn weak.

I hate the cliche, but we need a ball-hawking safety. And UT is never a bad place to turn when you need a DB.

by Nashmeister on Jan 13, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I tend to agree on the ballhawking thing

Although Pollard is kind of sneaky in that way. As is Cushing, strangely enough.

The Texans.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

They are indeed.

But you really shouldn’t have to rely on your SS and SLB to lead the team in picks.

by Nashmeister on Jan 13, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

No

Very true. I am, however, very glad that we have people who can at least pick the ball off.

The Texans.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 13, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

no

but thats more of a knock on our DB’s or our defense as a whole, than on those two players.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

The one season

where teams didn’t yet know to avoid him, he had 3 picks as a freshman.

The ‘08 team allowed 4.6 yds/attempt passing (3.6 yds/play overall), so (a) you have to give him some credit for that as the free safety preventing teams from even daring to throw long and (b) more importantly it’s not like there were that many opportunities for a centerfield free safety to get a pick when the front seven is destroying opposing QBs and forcing throws on three-step drops.

This year, he was rarely playing deep and was playing more of a hybrid role, so a lack of INTs makes sense.

Really, the only year that you have to wonder why he didn’t get more picks was 2007. I don’t have an answer for that.

Don’t get me wrong; I’d love to have Earl Thomas. But, in keeping with my preference for mutant, I’d rather have the guy who was 4 inches taller, 20+ lbs heavier, and markedly faster.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

See, I have heard people say that Berry is faster. Who knows….every year guys shrink a few inches, gain or lose thirty pounds , and run 3/10ths slower once they get to the combine.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 13, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Truth

No combine outcome between these three guys would shock me.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

wrong on Berry

there’s no way he has more question marks than Mays.

He is far better in coverage, a better tackler, and smarter. If Mays is faster at the combine, it won’t be by more than .05, but I bet EB is faster.

If Eric Berry can’t thrive in the NFL, there’s something wrong with the NFL.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I will grant better in coverage

But I don’t know that you can definitively say he’s a better tackler when this season, the first that Mays had to play a Berry-like role in run support, Mays had more tackles than Berry. Not saying that more tackles = better, but when the only good year you have for comparing them is this one, it’s worth noting and at least raises a question.

Re: Smarter—Frank Okam is a friggin’ genius compared to most football players and it hasn’t exactly meant much. In terms of just football intelligence, I don’t see where we have any way to compare.

Berry was 400m guy in high school, iirc. Mays has always been more of a sprinter. If Mays runs a 4.3, I think the gap will be bigger than .05.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

This was the first year Berry had to play a Berry-like role in run support also. See his almost NCAA interception return yardage record. Chavis was his DC for 2 years, and he played more centerfield. Kiffin comes in, and he’s all over the line in run support.

So I think 3 years can be used for comparison, if that mirrors Mays’ situation.

Mays lost 3 starting linebackers to the NFL, so its safe to say the guys in front may have padded his tackling numbers by just being inexperienced.

Smarter means little on the DL, I’ll give you that. There’s something to book smarts as a DT, I’d take it over a VY-type brainiac, but it doesn’t parlay to better play in the position nearly as much as the discussion at hand.

Ed Reed is considered a ball hawk not necessarily for his speed, but because he’s always involved in the play. This comes from preparation and football intelligence. Of the defensive players, safeties trail only LB’s in the amount of improvement they can attain by these two qualities.

Mays reminds me of a second Pollard, but better looking at the combine. I have not seen him play nearly as much as I have Berry, however.

Berry will not make it to 19 where we are picking (see what I did there?), so the point is moot. But I feel confident in saying Eric Berry will be more successful in the NFL than Taylor Mays.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree

he won’t make it to 19. Fucking Todd McShay is calling him the #1 overall prospect in the draft, which strikes me as patently retarded unless you REALLY think he can play CB and REALLY think he can be the next Deion in coverage.

The flipside of the tackling thing is that Mays didn’t get near as many opportunities to tackle as Berry did because the LBs who were there were not letting as many players through. Tomato, tomAHto, perhaps.

In the end, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree here. I’m taking Mays based on measurables, you’re taking Berry based on stats, but we’re both really arguing over which one we think has more upside.

My question is to you is who did you want in the 06 Draft?

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

side bet

give me .05 and I’ll take Berry’s combine 40 time.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a bet

Loser has to keep “MDC/texanphil is smart and I’m a retard” in his sig for a month?

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

No matter who wins

We all lose.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 13, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

the only winning move

is not to play

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

For WarGames reference.

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by LoneSpot on Jan 13, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

its a bet

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 6:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

4.25 speed for Mays??

Well, that guarantees he’ll be drafted by Oakland in the first

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Jan 13, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

You can write that one down in pen.

Especially if he does that at the Combine.

by TexansDC on Jan 13, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Also Re: Mays

My take is that Carroll’s 4-3 Under never used Mays as a true safety this year because Pete was trying to hide the fact that he lost three first-round NFL linebackers to the draft and both returning starting CBs to off-field stuff. So Mays got pulled into the box a lot because he was the best tackler they had and because he was the only guy with linebacker size who was fast enough to track down RBs at the second level. So you see clips of him biting on the play action from linebacker depth because he knew he was up there to play run when he would probably not have fallen for the fake were he back in coverage from the snap.

Last year, USC had a historically great defense that rarely if ever allowed opposing QBs enough time to let WRs get deep, so Mays’ chances for picks were diminished. Additionally, a number of Pac-10 coaches, even last year when the overall USC D was good, said Mays is a game-changer and that you go into the game against USC planning on not throwing into his area. Not to mention, Carroll’s scheme almost never called for Mays to play man coverage last year, not because Mays couldn’t but because Carroll has always used his free safety as a center fielder/last line of defense. So everyone acts like he’s not great in man coverage, but we don’t really know for sure. As for not tackling, this year, when he was asked to be the man on that defense, he put up a career high in both solo and assisted tackles and had 23 more total tackles than he had ever had in a single season.

Look, you’ve got a kid here with linebacker size and running back speed. He has dominated in a pass heavy league since he was a true freshman, notching one 2d team (2006) and three 1st team All American awards (2007-2009). He’s versatile enough that Carroll decided to abandon the centerfield role for him and put him in the box more often than not this year. It was a foregone conclusion that the dude was a top 10 pick had he come out last year. I think the people who are downgrading him this year were expecting USC’s D to remain pretty good for some reason and are blaming the fall-off unfairly on Mays simply because he was a preseason All-American (he was also a mid-season All American), as if “senior leadership” should have trumped “way less talent in the front seven.” Team him with Pollard and you’d have sideline to sideline speed from him, plus two guys who can kill a mofo over the middle. I’ll take that.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

He is a game changer

But I just don’t think he will be a great coverage safety. When I watch him play, I see a really fast Roy (safety) Williams. I am not a professional scout, and can’t really judge if he can be coached up, but the few games I have watched he seemed out of position pretty often, and relying entirely on his speed to make up the difference. He can cut people in half because he is monstrously large and fast. Although he doesn’t need to, I would like to see him play in the Senior Bowl and be made to man cover, and do things where we can showcase his talent. Its not that I think him incapable of it, I just haven’t SEEN it, and that’s risky in my book.

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by Riott on Jan 13, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Personally

I would love to see Mays playing with Cushing again. There could be some mad intensity on our D if that happens.

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

The guy in the middle

looks scared to fucking death.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 14, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Good points

Q: If we need a safety who can cover, and Mays doesn’t have much experience covering college-level WRs, much less pro WRs in man, is it fair to put him in a situation where he is expected to do that? Or should we switch to zone because he can have more of an impact there?

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 13, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

We already play a bunch of zone don’t we?

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

to elaborate

We wouldn’t even put a safety on Dallas Clarke.

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I was hoping we'd get away from that

Because we suck hairy donkey dicks at it.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 13, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope lots of things

but sadly very few of them ever come true. Great now I have something in my eye.

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I really don't have an answer

That is certainly his biggest question mark, though I feel like “hasn’t had to cover” is less of a flag than “can’t cover well.” You could (and should) ask the same thing about Berry, of course.

If you are taking Mays instead of a NT and you can’t get one through free agency, you are probably going to have to play zone more than we would like to see. So in a way it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The upshot, however, is that while overall our pass D was blech under Smith, our yards/pass actually went down this year, suggesting that part of the problem might be that our free safety and corners weren’t covering well in the first 10 yards or so, but that we were at least keeping people in front of us and making tackles.

I’m rambling. Short answer: I dunno.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally I'd like to see us

…take someone with approximate size and strength of Sasquatch to fill our Jameson-sized hole at NT first. I have a feeling hope that the Haynesworth effect from this man-mountain will make our relatively pedestrian secondary look suddenly decent.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 13, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

100% re: the secondary.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

if that happens

rounds 2 and 3 need to be CB, since we are suddenly left with Quin as CB1 and Frenchy as CB2 with zero depth.

Free agency must help us at least with depth at CB in order to give us some flexibility to be able to pick BPA. Otherwise, there’s no way we can ignore the CB position early and often.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus

this gives me wood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLD33s7V7EU

as does this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26rLxHZpiKQ&feature=related

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

video 2

makes me wonder how Mays would do against CJ2kfullretard6

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

If he runs another 4.25

he’s only .01 off of CJ’s record Combine time.

I also love that nickname.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Also

wasn’t Best considered the fastest RB in the Pac-10 this year prior to nearly being decapitated in the endzone?

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

He was considered one of the fasted RBs

In the universe. Or so the analysts told me his freshman year.

40 Time: 4.42, 40 Low: 4.32, & 40 High: 4.52.
also
10.39 100 meter dash

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Great plays for sure, but to be fair there’s a long list of things that give you wood. Darcy Maeda, Filipino trannies, Pork Buts, under-age goats, and sniffing that pair of BFD’s used underwear that you keep in your desk drawer just to name a few. So the fact that those videos gave you wood really doesn’t mean all that much.

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by papabear on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Pork Butts

I have one. I will smoke it over oak and apple wood. And I will eat it.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 13, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Point taken

You left out free beer.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

RE: Eric Berry

Is it just me or does that picture look like Berry just decked that guy? Also, you claim he is worth trading up into the top 5 for. That would surely cost us next years first round pick and another pick later in this years draft (maybe a 3 rounder). Is Berry really that good to use 3 picks on? I haven’t seen him play all year so I don’t have much to go on besides this write up.

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by BigNate7 on Jan 13, 2010 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

I think he is fantastic.

Depending on how much we feel the loss of those picks would set us back, yeah I think he would be worth it. Also, with needs of the top 5 generally being QB/LT/DL, there is the wonderful possibility that he does slide.

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by Riott on Jan 13, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

No.

No, he’s not. He’s a big hitter, but we have no guarantee that he would be better in the NFL than Pollard. He almost never covered in Kiffin’s scheme, so we have no clear picture of his skills there, either. Trading from 20 to 5 would be insanely expensive. Based on trades from 1998 to 2008, the value of a first-round pick in a future draft has been around 600 points (give or take 50) on the trade value chart. The number 5 pick is worth 1700. The number 20 pick is 850. Meaning we’d have to give up our first and second this year (850 + 380) to make up the difference. While the trade value chart is not without its flaws and gray area, it’s still fairly good shorthand.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

probably agree he's not worth 3 picks

but he has excellent coverage skills, regardless what Monte had him do this past season.

I have heard he projects to the NFL better as a CB, which should say something about his coverage skills.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

The answer is no.

Never. It is never rarely worth it to trade up for any player imo. Certainly not when we have multiple holes to fill on both sides of the ball.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 13, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

Berry would have a tremendous impact on our defense, but so would the extra 3rd we’d get this season by not trading up, if that was the cost.

Smithiak have mad skills in the middle rounds.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

First round...

Gimme Dan Williams or Terrence Cody. There’s other FSs available in the 2nd round who would be good. Massive NTs are rare and 1 good NT could end up helping a lot of players on the D (Amobi, Mario….help keep guys off Ryans…..help collapse the pocket which forces bad throws to the DBs)

by TexansDC on Jan 13, 2010 11:10 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

This ^

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 13, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

You got me.

I’d rather have an NT and Burnett/Chad Jones/Nate Allen.

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by Riott on Jan 13, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I have to agree

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by Mike Kerns on Jan 13, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree on the fact

That as I’ve said before I have seen no NT ranked higher then 4-5 round talent not named Dan Willimas and Terrence Cody. Unless we sign a guy like Hampton, it would be silly to pass on either of those two when we can address our secondary in the 2nd round.

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Why trade up for Eric Berry? If you’re already trading up into the top 5, then why not blow your load for N. Suh? Resources better spent.

by carsonwayne on Jan 13, 2010 1:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

How is that better? Now we have Okoye with fuck all to do.

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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Ill settle this debate

dan williams > Mount Cody…..except if there is a buffett

earl thomas > mays and im an OU grad saying this

how about this draft.

williams – 1
nate allen – 2
mike johnson – 3
hardesty – 4

we get a DT, FS, OG, and a RB

i think nate allen will be the second best safety out of the draft, and johnson the G from bama is a beast.

williams is a no brainer and i think hardesty gives you more speed, but gerhart would be fine as well

by Allen-OU on Jan 13, 2010 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

Speed? We don’t need no stinkin speed! We tried that once, or three times. Hollings, Moses, Mathis.

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by BigNate7 on Jan 13, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

hardesty is a man

and would love to share time with Foster again. Well, maybe not.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

If that happens

I would cry tears of happiness. The first three, at least.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 13, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Change the 3rd round to...

CB Kyle Wilson or Javier Arenas…..and I’d be pretty damn happy

by TexansDC on Jan 13, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

arenas

will probably go earlier to a team that needs a returner and CB.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 13, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I do love arenas

Johnson looks like a stud to me

Winston Johnson Caldwell breisel brown

looks allright

by AllenOU on Jan 13, 2010 9:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

"....some of his biggest set backs have been him getting excited and going for the big hit as opposed to the sure tackle."

Wait, are you talking about Earl Thomas or Dunta Robinson? We don’t need ANY more of these types of guys.

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by TexansForever on Jan 13, 2010 3:28 PM CST reply actions  

I dont mind it.

As long as he can tackle like Dunta before the injury.

Remember those days?

by Jordann on Jan 13, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

He would be good for revenue as well. We need some more Texas school guys here.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

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by TexansForever on Jan 13, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Hence

Matt Stevens as a candidate.

380 lbs of pure pirogi

by LoneSpot on Jan 13, 2010 6:15 PM CST reply actions  

why would we need Cody?

He’s only a 2 down player tops.

by Tris X P on Jan 14, 2010 5:18 PM CST reply actions  

Mr Barwin

and we wouldn’t play a NT on 3rd (passing) downs most likely anyway.

Mount Cody in round 1

by texanphil on Jan 14, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what I'm asking...

…and hence why I’m on the Dan Williams bandwagon. He’s a 3 down mountain man. Antonio Smith can sit his happy ass on 3rd downs for Barwin.

by TexansDC on Jan 14, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

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