Straight From The Horse's Mouth: Q & A With Broncos Stable On The Dennison Hire
With our constant connection with all things Denver Broncos during the Smithiak era, I have maintained a good working relationship with Bryan Douglass of Broncos Stable on the Fanball Sports Network since I have worked over there for Don’t Mess With Texans. So, with not knowing a ton about the most recent acquisition of a former
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Thanks for coming in, Bryan. I know you're the guy to talk to about anything Denver related. Here we go:
MK: I will be the first to admit that the only thing I really know about Rick Dennison is that he is a former Denver Broncos linebacker who became an Assistant Coach. Could you tell me anything about what he was like as an offensive coordinator?
BD: Dennison... I am the first to admit no place or insight into the mind of Josh McDaniels (or Mike Shanahan for that matter), but I have some knowledge on Dennison's football history (when you cover the Donkeys AND NFL offensive lines, that will happen).
In short, he's the local boy made good... grew up in Fort Collins (about 30 minutes north of Denver), played HS ball in the big city, followed by college skin at Colorado State. The Broncos signed him as an undrafted rookie in the early '80s and he flourished. The guy milked it for all it was worth; playing linebacker and serving as a local hero (think Mark Wahlberg in "Invinceable" but with more mountains).
Shanny brought him in as an "offensive assistant" and he got promoted to special teams coach shortly after. That's where he first earned fame, coaching kicker Jason Elam and return man Darrien Gordon.
He earned another step up after Shanny attributed the quick and surprising rise of Clinton Portis to the guidance provided by Dennison. He got a shot to serve as the offensive line coach (though stories indicate he spent just as much time collaborating those blockers with the rushers), and after four years of amazing success in that role, he got a shot as coordinator.
That is where you might find a bit of grey area. Dennison was there in the transition from Jake Plummer to Jay Cutler. That's also the time the Broncos started earning fame for their toilet paper approach to rushers. And somehow, Dennison doesn't get much credit for all of that, probably because most prefer to reflect on the team's 24-24 record over that three-year span (great on offense, horrendous on defense... and to be honest, the man hiring him to move to Texas earned the bulk of the praise built by those teams).
Overall I have to say the resume suggests a TON of potential. He's a guy that overachieves, he's proven his abilities in a system that was constantly changing, and to be honest Mike... those offenses he built were MUCH more dynamic and thorough than most believe. I'd certainly suggest the man seems to know talent, he appears to have a knack for recognizing strength and weakness, and he can build around that.
I would think such visions would please the folks in Houston.
MK: Was the "demotion" from offensive coordinator to offensive line coach last year a knock against Dennison, or was that Josh McDaniels just wanting complete control of the play calling?
BD: I'm not sure it would be fair to call it a "knock" on Dennison (and I don't think McDaniels was going to seize full control of plays called during the game either). In fact, I would tend to suggest it was a sign of respect. I may be wrong but I don't believe it's all that common for a new head coach to keep too many parts from the previous regime. McDaniels wasn't too shy about change, but he retained Dennison. It may have been in a so-called "lesser" role but I doubt anyone, with a sense of reason, would expect Dennison to step into an entirely new offensive system and immediately take the wheel. The offensive line was one aspect of the Shanahan squad that remained largely unchanged. McDaniels added pieces for depth including Brandon Gorin, Russ Hochstein, and others. He gave center Casey Wiegmann a well-deserved raise, and all indications suggested that it would be business as usual up front.
It didn't work. In my humble review of the performance, Ben Hamilton proved incapable of formulating his skills to the changes in offensive design. Hamilton's not a big guy. He's the traditional Mike Shanahan lineman--speedy, doing his best work in getting into the defender and holding the point of attack. The running backs of the Shanahan era were speed guys as well (except Terrell Davis... he started with TD but moved on to guys like Clinton Portis, Mike Bell, Tatum Bell, Selvin Young, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, and so on). They worked the B gaps (between tackle and guard), they came around the corner (typically called the C gap), and they worked off pitches. McDaniels doesn't do this.
His system pushes the rusher up the middle through the A gaps (between center and guards. Which is where Knowshon Moreno earned his respect while working in the dirty south). That requires the guards to "pull block," or to influence the defender away from the center to open the lane through the middle (in other words, Josh wants his rushers moving DIRECTLY from point A to point B and to get downfield. Not to work down the line in search of the gap or around the end). Hamilton couldn't do it, he was pulled from the starting line, and I would expect McDaniels realized he and Dennison weren't likely to be a match at that point.
It would also serve well to keep recent events in mind. Folks were surprised when the Broncos rejected the Redskins' request to interview running backs coach Bobby Turner. Most feel the performance of those rushers wasn't up to snuff and thus they struggled to understand why the team was taking a stance to keep Turner in the fold. The lazy reaction suggests owner Pat Bowlen didn't want to give Shanahan the satisfaction (and that may have played a role... c'mon man, that's GOOD stuff), but I might suggest those rushers performed rather well considering the circumstances and Josh may feel they are on the right path. They just need to get a better guard to work with Ryan Harris (the one guard that excelled in the McDaniels offense before injury put him out of commission).
I don't think that's a reflection on Dennison. I just think their views on the proper way to utilize those commodities isn't a match.
MK: Being a Gary Kubiak fan yourself, do you think this is a hire based off of accomplishments, or is it just a case of Gary hiring his buddies?
BD: Aren't folks out there ready run Kubiak to the gallows? You don't think he's willing to take that reality and put his job on the line to give his buddy a job, do you? Trust me, I sincerely doubt Kubiak would bring the guy in if he didn't think it was a move in the right direction. If you check that Texan roster you'll see the build is very similar to Shanahan teams of old. Strong quarterback with smaller, speedy rushers (that would be Steve Slaton). And as you witnessed, the loss of one man (Chester Pitts) blew it all to hell. Dennison's track record suggests that roster could be a great fit for his system.
Dennison served as the Broncos offensive coordinator from 2006 through 2008. In that time the Broncos transitioned from Jake Plummer to Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall seized the spotlight from Rod Smith, and the Broncos failed to enjoy the services of one outstanding rusher. In 2006 Dennison helped an undrafted rookie named Mike Bell earn 677 rushing yards behind leading rusher Tatum Bell (1,025 yards). In 2007 Selvin Young utilized the Dennison system to post the third-most rushing yards in a single season (729) by an undrafted rookie running back in NFL history. In his first season as the offensive coordinator ('06) the Broncos finished as the 21st offense in the NFL in terms of yards. The next year (moving to Cutler) they improved to 11th. In 2008, they ranked 2nd.
That certainly indicates Dennison is doing something right... but I'll offer this as well.
In those three seasons with Dennison serving as the offensive leader, the Broncos filed the following NFL rankings in terms of points scored (in order): 17th, 21st, 16th.
I would bet McDaniels found issue with those results. They moved the chains, but they struggled to make good on the effort.
It's fair to suggest Kubiak is reaching for an option of comfort, but the resume speaks for itself. I just hope the struggles to put points on the board don't persist. The fans in Houston have already seen that show. If you can't put the biscuit in the basket, it won't help Kubiak's cause to maintain employment.
MK: Having been with the organization as a player and a coach for the last 27 years, are Denver fans sad to see him go?
BD: Denver is a manic town. Just ponderous. There is a definitive generation split in my opinion, but after the last 12 months I would suggest more and more of the young, more forgiving members of the Bronco pulpit are turning in favor of the typical negativity put forth by the old timers. Read the papers and you can't help but notice the negative tone about Josh, about the state of the team, about the direction of the team... and these days, papers are published for the old farts that want to walk out to the end of the driveway to find out what's going on beyond it. As I type these words the Dennison deal isn't done but once it is I can all but guarantee the heads of the Post will be organizing shopping sprees for torches and pitch forks.
Dennison is widely respected but those in town with short-term memories won't express any care or worry about him leaving. If you support change and you no longer find a desire to daydream about the days of Shanahan, you don't care. It's a natural step in the evolution. You are more worried about who will follow, who the Broncos are going to sign to play offensive guard (put my vote down for Eugene Amano btw), how the Broncos are going to approach Kyle Orton in settling his contract situation, things of tangible concern you see on the field.
The old guard will miss him (there are some here that still talk about Kubiak), but, as usual, it will all be forgotten if the team can win. I can only hope the process takes so long that Jim Zorn, Eric Mangini, and Jason Garrett can't be considered as viable replacement candidates (I would be rather happy to see Dick Jauron in town... don't laugh, I'm hoping I have time to make that case on my own blog soon).
MK: Anything else you can tell Texans fans about Dennison would be great.
BD: From my seat, if I were a fan in Houston I would be looking at the situation and expressing hope that Dennison will not come in and destroy the progress enjoyed by Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson this season. That battery is the catalyst for playoff salvation and it is very, VERY reminiscent of the situation Dennison enjoyed once Cutler emerged in the wake of The Snake's retirement. Folks forget Plummer retired, surprised the team, and all but forced Cutler into the starting role. Dennison was the man in charge of making that work, and he did so with Brandon Marshall (Rod Smith left as well). And he did that in the midst of shock. Plummer left the team in the lurch, and while it may be fair to say Cutler was working towards that role, he certainly wasn't assured of being the starter in that season. Dennison held it together and not only did it work, it exploded.
There is one big difference: Schaub and AJ already have that chemistry established. If they can get another guy working over the middle (think Eddie Royal... well, Eddie Royal circa 2008, not Eddie Royal '09). That should be Kevin Walter, but after this season it is hard to say that's still true. Get Pitts healthy and working in support of Slaton, it could be the difference that allows Houston to compete for the playoffs.
If I lived in Houston, I'd be excited.
Thanks for having me in Mike... always a pleasure.
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There you have it, guys. Thoughts?
I'd like to personally thank Bryan for taking time out of his busy schedule (he the Managing Editor of the Fanball Sports Network and as an Associate Editor for Fanball.com, as well as writing for the Broncos, Nuggets and the PGA) to answer my lousy questions. You can check his Broncos page out at Broncos Stable on Fanball.
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Very insightful. Like what you said, most of us here know nothing about Dennison. Tell Bryan that BRB is thankful for taking his time to shine the light on this hire.
With Dennison as our new OC, im excited to see what he can do with our offensive line and our running backs. I see us drafting another back around the 4th or 5th to replace Chris Brown as our “Goal Line” back. Denver was known to keep a stable of running backs that can rush for 100yds a game when called upon. With all the fumbles aside, I think the running backs in our roster has that same potential.
While we’re at it, can we also sign Peyton Hillis and Eddie Royal when the Broncos let them go this off-season?
Hillis
Is a huuuuuuuge bitch. Size wise. I know nothing of his personality /disclaimer
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Personality
and toughness-wise, he’s solid.
Wait…dude is 6-1/250, isn’t he? What problem do you have with his size?
[Full disclosure: He was the only player I liked on that Arkansas team.]
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
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by nolander on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If the Texans are anything like my fantasy team last year
They’d be best served to stay FAR THE FUCK AWAY from EDDIE FUCKING ROYAL
Will never forgive him.
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by riversmccown on Jan 13, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
It was something like this

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by riversmccown on Jan 13, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Condolences.
At least you didn’t forget about the draft like I did.
Did you at least make the play offs?
4 and 9.
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by riversmccown on Jan 13, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
My apologies...
… if you weren’t looking for a reply, but I can’t resist.
Hills… the Mile High fans are rather upset with the treatment of Hillis this season and it got worse when LaMont Jordan started getting the few carries folks wanted to push towards the big boy. I know nolander is worried about his size (or maybe not… looks like he reversed fields on that one). The guy got his first taste of fame blocking for Darren McFadden and Felix Jones at Arkansas… and I tend to believe McDaniels wanted to use him in the same way but with much less frequency. The Broncos weren’t too big on utlizing a lead blocker from the fullback position.
Or maybe they weren’t too big on Hillis’ ability to provide such services… I can only speculate, but based on comments from Hillis since (I’ll paraphrase… “If you aren’t going to use me, trade me”), I wonder if his desire to block isn’t dead. Spoiled by the adoration earned as a ball carrier under Shanahan? Maybe.
Scorned by a coach that seems to have a growing push against any and all of the members of the previous regime? Maybe.
For what it’s worth, doubt he would work well as a primary rusher for Houston based on the direction they are headed, but he could certainly work as a change-of-pace, red-zone guy… fo’ sho’.
From where I sit it looks like
McDaniels is a huge douche. Is this accurate?
The Texans.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 14, 2010 3:17 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see Hillis as a primary back.
I would love to see him as our goal line specialist. He has the power and the size to push through that pile or lead the way to the end zone. And that’s the main reason why I want him on our team. We’ve never had a goal-line back before. It would be nice to be able to pound it in from the one yard line.
How do you feel about Hillis? Do you see McDaniels keeping him? I agree that he’s not the best runner out there, but i’ve never seen a anybody gain a 100 yds the hard way in a while and that’s what I remember him doing when Denver’s stable of RB’s were plagued by injuries.
As it sits today...
… I would guess Hillis will be gone. McDaniels has been all to happy to dismiss any and all from the previous regime that didn’t fit his desires. I have no idea what he did or didn’t see in Hillis in practice but the guy rarely, if ever, found carries in games that mattered (and to be honest, when he did it didn’t go well).
I think he’s a goner… along with Brandon Marshall (though I may be wrong on this based on talent alone… if the price is right, he could return… but I doubt it), Chris Kuper, Tony Scheffler, and others.
And at this point I would be Hillis would come in at a discount… coming off a horrendous season, too far removed from productive games to tout on that success in negotiations.
Of course, I would expect Washington would come calling as well… they just hired the Broncos RB coach (Bobby Turner, hired by Shanahan many years ago in Denver and now moving to the nation’s capital), Portis is a corpse, Ladell Betts isn’t going to fit that system… I would expect that crew and their Lollipop Guild owner will be bringing in a few of these McDaniels rejects.
And Royal...
… if there is one thing that really, REALLY bothered me by season’s end about the Broncos, it was the undying addiction to Brandon Marshall. Over the final 5-6 games of the season the only thing that kept Orton from staring at Marshall without any consistent checks through other targets was Marshall’s stupidity and mouth.
If I were to be honest I might guess Orton is to blame in part for this, but it might also be a product of a flawed approach in coaching. McDaniels wanted to get Marshall comfortable, he understood Marshall’s skills were the best way to make efficient use Orton’s little-league arm, and by the time Orton FINALLY figured it out and got the taste of that success he couldn’t give it up and throw elsewhere.
Royal showed flashes and it would be hard to deny he doesn’t resemble Wes Welker… and Welker found his Chowder fame under McDaniels’ offense.
Besides, is the faith in Kevin Walter already dead?!?!
I wouldn't say
The faith in Walter is dead, just with the emergence and big play ability of Jacoby Jones, his touched are going to go down. Plus, he is a Free Agent now. So who knows if he is even in the teams future plans.
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Upgrade at QB.
Im glad to see that Broncos fans are not fooled by Orton’s stats. I think Denver’s offense would’ve been more potent if yall had a QB that can throw the ball farther than 15 yds. Is Denver going to use a high draft pick on a QB this April? Or will Orton get that extension?
Royal definitely resembles Wes Welker. And he showed that he’s capable of being the WR2 behind Brandon Marshall last year. I just don’t understand why McDaniels couldn’t find a better use for him. Maybe it’s because Royal isn’t buying into McDaniel’s philosophy. If that were the case, I hope Denver releases him because there are many teams out there that could use an explosive WR.
As for Kevin Walter, the faith is still there. It never went away even with the lack of production this season. I just don’t think that we’ll fork up that much money to resign him and he’ll end up getting a better deal somewhere else.
Orton
The views here don’t really match… most of us are all for keeping Orton so long as you realize what you are keeping. You can’t say “Give the ball to Orton!” more – as most in the Mile High were when McDaniels was suddenly so persistent in running down the stretch – and then complain that they aren’t going long enough.
Any pass over 15 yards is floater… he wouldn’t even look at receivers not named Marshall once we hit Week 12… Royal looked OUTSTANDING in the preseason, thus his fantasy football stock went through the roof (right, RiversMcCown?). Not sure what happened there except to say Marshall WASN’T involved then, and once he was, Royal was an afterthought.
As for Walter… I get the feeling more than a few WRs are going to be hitting the market in one way or another this offseason and that number of options could keep Walter’s price at a reasonable level. When healthy, I love the guy, but I have no idea where his head is at, and if its in the clouds with his financial dreams… that’s bad.
Ben Hamilton
Any chance you try to trade him if he isn’t a fit for your system? Do you think he would be a contributor in our ZBS system? There is really not a whole lot of hope for Pitts to come back next year, so we are looking for more interior lineman.
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Hamilton
He would certainly be a good fit, and I would expect any team that comes offering a mid- to late-round pick during the draft might be able to pull his services.
Is is THAT bad for Pitts? I know the injury was pretty bad and the prognosis was worrisome… but I was hoping he would be back before the ’10 regular season. I know he spent a ton of time with the team to help Studdard as a mentor.
There will be some solid interior linemen in this year’s draft as well, and they tend to fall… the league rarely goes away from tackle in the first two rounds (more than a few passed on Oklahoma’s Duke Robinson last year… Carolina stole him in the 5th round – why the league continues to let Carolina restock that line at a discount via the draft is beyond me – and he contributed this season… and he was the top OG on most boards). I think Houston should be able to find help there withoug having to spend.
I’m pushing for Denver to go after Eugene Amano from Tennessee. Converted center, but he’s one of the more underrated rusher blockers in the NFL. Maybe you caught his work? Some guy named Chris Johnson…
well
Pitts injury + his age + him being a free agent doesn’t bode well. I believe the injury is one where it might take awhile to fully recover. I would love to have him back though even if he can’t start right away. He is by far one of if not my very favorite Texan.
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… think Pitts is one of those special guys. He seems to lift the entire team and I realized it would be ROUGH without him.
From what I hear he’s also very active in the community, he goes out of his way to work with teammates, stays late… he’s one of those guys you love having on the team.
I hope he is able to return. Felt like he was a huge part of Slaton’s early success and I would think he’d be welcome back into the Houston fold with open arms… certainly sounds like the fans appreciate him.
Pitts
is just a good guy. I really hope they’re able to work something out and get him back.
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with the loss of Gibbs, this hire makes even more sense. Our offensive line was our weakness this season, so a guy who coached the offensive line only seems like it will help us. Its not like we have to have him for play calling, so if he can get the offensive line firing again, it could be amazing what we can do.
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It would take a miracle worker
to coach up Chris White and Chris Myers to NFL standard.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
very interesting read.
not quite as interesting as jordann’s christmas gift to me….
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by chrisd21 on Jan 13, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
First and Foremost
Thanks Bryan!
As I was reading I kept thinking this is some insightful sh¡t here. That was a great interview, and should be mandatory reading for Texans fans.
I’m happy with the hire as it will allow our offense to maintain the moment it already has. The only concern of course is the history of Dennison’s offenses racking up tons of yards only to come away with minimal points. As mentioned, we’ve seen enough of that here. I think here it’s been more of a lack of talent on the line and in the backfield, but that excuse doesn’t hold water in Denver. That scares me, because maybe it means it is the system afterall. You know, light linemen who can’t score on the goal line against 3-4 defenses.
We’ve got a plateful of man-sized 3-4’s on our schedule next season. So far the scoreboard says: 3-4 > ZBS. We need at least one mauler (Mike Iupati) on that line to get the tough yards. A guy who we can successfully run behind even when everyone in the stadium knows the ballcarrier is coming right through his hole. Okay, maybe not the best wording there, but you know what I mean.
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3-4 > our OL
I’m not sure how it plays out v. the rest of the league.
But really, who cares about them.
We do need an answer around the goal line.
If only we had a stud WR who would do anything to make the play in the end zone….
Mount Cody in round 1
Perhaps we can draft one.
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Thanks Carson!
Very kind words Carson, can’t thank you enough.
Working in that division should get easier after Peyton’s personal life is final exposed and he takes the Tiger trail to his demise… wait, Deadspin already did this and it was like the NFL and PEDs. No one gave two shits.
Anyway, your point on the schedule and the 3-4 is correct… while many are noting the rise of the passing attempts in the NFL over recent seasons, few are realizing it is one way offensive coordinators can combat the 3-4. Putting the tight end on short routes, the tailback out to the wing… you minimize the potential damage suffered by the hybrid LB in the 3-4 with that approach. That’s why defensive coordinators love it… you have that extra LB and the offense can’t account for everything that defender might do. Keep ‘em in check with short-range passing… that’s how Wes Welker came to be Wes Welker.
I think it is also how Kubiak wants to use Walters, it’s why Daniels was so damn potent before injury, and it’s why Schaub has started to find his comfort. Once he started getting his groove with a bit more emphasis on short, higher-percentage passes suddenly the defense had to accomodate and AJ found less defensive focus… and Schaub hit it up.
And I tend to believe you hit the nail on the lack of scoring… those mid-range targets come out of play, you have to run, and the offensive line isn’t built to adjust to it.
GREAT points Carson… it’s going to be fun watching the league evolve around this. The 3-4 is all the rage, but this is how the league evolves. It’s cliche but true… it’s a game of adjustments.
Huh?
Plummer didn’t retire. He was replaced midway through the season. He only retired when the Broncos attempted to trade him to Tampa Bay after that season.
Really? I have no idea...
But I am going to go with The Broncos writer on this one.
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Bad call.
Better to go with the guy who owns a Jake Plummer Arizona Cardinals jersey. I have a bit of an obsession.
by Nashmeister on Jan 13, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Fine.
I’ll go with you since you were actually willing to admit that.
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Wikipedia agrees with Nashmeister.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Plummer
Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.
I thought the same thing,
I remember because a mate of mine was gutted when it happened. He was a big Broncos fan.
I am sure he retired after being replaced by Cutler and then they tried to trade him to Tampa. Actually, now that I think about it, I remember bringing Plummer up when we were talking QB’s, before the Schaub trade. I thought Kubiak would have tried to bring Plummer out of retirement.
by distant_texans_fan on Jan 13, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
Retirement vs. Replacement
Here is how I remember this… for what it is worth.
1) Pat Tillman is murdered.
2) Plummer contemplates retirement shortly after… he takes leave from the team (excused) to contemplate life.
3) Cutler gets drafted. Denver celebrates but expects at least one year with a clipboard.
4) He rededicates coming into training camp, says he knows Pat would want it this way and that he’s dedicating the season to Pat.
4) He comes out and does reasonably well, but he struggles (as always) with turnover… very similar to Cutler in Chicago this season (ironic). The Broncos get to 7-2 regardless but they drop three in a row and Plummer suffers injury early against… Seattle (I think). Cutler comes in and struggles but Plummer doesn’t recover… and…
5) Plummer disappears. He takes another leave, the team insists he is injured and in need of therapy after reports surface that he has gone home to Arizona (seeing personal doctor). Cutler gets a couple of starts, does well against the Cardinals… he’s not great but his arm is amazingly strong (which leads him to tell reporters that he knows he has a stronger arm than Elway, our first glimpse into the REAL Cutler).
They close the season and Plummer is not really involved… in fact, if memory serves, he is at the last game in street clothes.
6) Season closes and Plummer does interview in which he reveals that he has been contemplating retirement… and then he follows it up and retires. World is shocked.
7) Shanahan shocks the world by trading Plummer’s rights to Tampa for a late draft pick. Jon Gruden tells the world he thinks he can get Jake back on the field… that he was lost in Denver and that the picture was clear. Cutler would be in, he was out, and Tampa would give him a new start.
8) Plummer never shows, the late pick traded away is wasted (believe it was a 6th rounder that gets sent to Atlanta through Jacksonville).
That’s how I remember it going down fellas… I could be wrong. Wouldn’t be a first!
sounds like there was a lot more going on
then most people realized, myself included.
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Cutler...
… wanted to check out the numbers and see what was there.
In that rookie season Cutler registered five starts, beginning (amazingly, I was right) against Seattle.
10-for-21, 143 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs
He made four more starts to close the season.
17-for-30, 188 yds, 2 TDs, 0 picks versus the Bolts.
21-for-31, 261 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT vs Zona (put Cutler on the map).
12-for-23, 179 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT vs Cincy.
23-for-26, 230 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT vs San Fran.
Thing is they lost 3 of the five, missed the playoffs.
Jake’s last start came in that Week 11 heartbreaker to Kansas City (the week before the Seattle debut for Cutler).
25-for-39, 216 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT.
That loss was one of three over five games, but the Broncos were still at 7-4 at that time… he was doing fine.
Have this as well…
http://www.denverpost.com/rapids/ci_5351843
Offers a bit of insight on the drama that was unfolding here in Denver. He was RUMORED to have retired, then speculation of a hoax came after the trade to Tampa Bay… folks thought he was trying to force his way out of Denver by faking retirement.
Turns out he wasn’t. He HAD retired and filed paperwork just a couple of days after the trade to TB.
Mike Klis (beat reporter) goes on to talk about the friendship with Tillman… that REALLY affected Jake.
I just remember the first game Cutler started
He did this bootleg, and threw this wonderful pass to someone in the end zone like 40 yards away.
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Great throw indeed
I remember it well. That was the moment I thought, “oh, crap. Maybe all these people rallying to run Plummer out of town and bring Cutler into the mix early were right.” Then he proceeded to run them out of the playoff race… All the physical tools, but not much up top.
I always found it strange though that people constantly ragged on Plummer (39-15 as a Bronco), then two years later, most of those same people started blowing Vince Young for “just winning games”. Always seemed kind of unfair that the Snake never got that tag.
by Nashmeister on Jan 14, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
He's like a slightly less-retarded version
Of Ryan Leaf.
The Texans.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 14, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Thats just idiots in Texas
Doing that “Vince Just Wins” trash.
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BTW...
… Plummer now travels the world playing professional handball. He’s not great, but not bad, and the folks in Arizona still adore him.
And I have Cardinals Plummer jersey too… an authentic no less. No shame in that and I’ll challenge anyone that suggests othewise to a thumb war royale.
How old is he?
I don’t remember him being that old.
Also, team handball or the game that is like racquetball without racquets?
The Texans.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 14, 2010 3:23 AM CST up reply actions
The latter.
Which is less badass in general, but suddenly more badass by sheer virtue of Plummer partaking in it.
by Nashmeister on Jan 14, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
This...
.. is the coolest fucking handball discussion I’ve ever read.
Seriously.
Plummer is 35-years-old… not old by any means, but that’s 60 in NFL dog years.
hah
KC has it even worse with their New England connection then we do with the Bronco one now that they have Romeo and Weis.
www.manningface.com
If we're going to pipe in players/coaches from another organization
I’d rather it not be one that has sold its sould to the devil.
The Texans.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 14, 2010 3:24 AM CST up reply actions
Kansas City is New England Midwest
Houston is Denver South…
Washington is about to be Denver East or Houston East (however you want to phrase it)…
That’s how the league goes….coordinator becomes a coach and brings in his people from the old team.
its pretty nuts though that Weis and Romeo are coordinating together again
or at least I think so
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Will this
finally stop draft “experts” from saying the Texans will take a running back in the first round?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Jan 13, 2010 3:45 PM CST reply actions
Safe bet:
No.
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by riversmccown on Jan 13, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
They think we'll take Dez Bryant in the 1st round
and these guys are experts????
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Jan 13, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Good god...
… I would hope so, and if not, the total lack of reliable rushers in this year’s draft should.
Kiper has two RBs in the first round, the best being CJ Spiller… that’s not so great.
Just wanted...
… to thank Mike for the opportunity to discuss the Texans and the new OC, and to thank all of you for the kind comments and discussion.
You are all blessed to have Mike in the mix here at SBNation… he’s a great guy, a passionate fan, and a talented writer. I was ecstatic to have him sign on to cover the Texans for us at Fanball and I know the folks here at SBNation feel the same.
If I can ever be of service at all… and something tells me the Broncos and Texans will be mixing it up again… always a pleasure!
by bpdouglass on Jan 13, 2010 11:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, B
But I am going to get picked on mercilessly for that one.
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