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2009 in Review: Beyond The Tackle Box

Hit the jump if you're familiar with the series because the next couple of lines are review.

I'm going to look at every player who played more than 100 snaps for the Texans from a number of different angles.  I'll give their regular statistics from this year and last year.  Similarly, I will bring in Pro Football Focus and Football Outsiders numbers (and projections in FO's case) for the last two years and compare them.  A glossary of FO terms can be found here, and Pro Football Focus operates on a strict +/- system.  Finally, I'll give my impressions on each of them as someone who has spent probably 100 hours each year watching the game tapes and filling in charting numbers for FO.  For players with less than 100 snaps, I'll just give a brief summary.  From this, I hope to give a balanced reading of each player's ability and relative value to the team.

Star-divide

Wide Receivers

Andre Johnson

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Scouting: Andre Johnson is good at football.  

Overall: I want to throw in a couple of late cents on the Andre Johnson DVOA argument.  Remember a few things about DVOA as a statistical tool before you go "WHAT WHAT WHAT!" on the ranking Andre got this year.  DVOA does not separate a receivers performance from his quarterback, nor the quarterback from his offensive system.  Additionally, DVOA is a system built on efficiency.  Let me throw a few completely hypothetical examples at you.

Say you have this really excellent wide receiver named A. Johnson...no, too obvious, Andre J.  Yes, that'll do.  You have another excellent receiver, lets call him Daniels, who doesn't play for half of the year.  Other than that, you surround him with respectable options who will never be confused as gamebreakers, except for another receiver named Jacoby, who only sees about a third of the snaps he probably should have.  Following this hypothetical, you may find that teams think "Hmm, let's double and triple cover this Andre J. a bunch, making it harder for him to catch the ball than it probably should be."  Additionally, say you have this quarterback named Matt S., who knows that Andre J. is his best receiver. Given the choice of throwing it short for 5-7 yards and almost no chance of a broken tackle or chucking it deep at a double-covered Andre J., Matt S. decided to continually target Andre J. deep, particularly on play-action passes.

Additionally, say this Matt S. has made a concerted effort to throw the ball away more often this year when he is rushed, so as not to pick up tons of interceptions, even though his offensive line can't pass protect to save their lives.  Some of these throw aways may be counted as "targets" for Andre J, even though they were never really intended for anyone but the secondary coach on the sideline.  .

Andre J. is a great receiver, but he's had his share of problems with drops, and there were a few miscommunications at the line this year as well.  Notice up on the stat table that Andre Johnson had a catch rate of 59%?  Lets say our friend Andre J. happened to be carrying the same rate.  It looks like a fluke of statistical noise: he took on a lot of double and triple teams, he was surrounded by receivers who had great hands but were unlikely to beat anyone in the open field, a lot more deep balls were thrown at him, and, yes, he did have some drop problems along the course of the year.  This statistical ranking does not mean that Andre J is any less of a great receiver, no more than it would if someone named Larry F. finished 29th in DVOA this year.  It just means that the circumstances made throwing to him a little less efficient then it was last year.  

So take heart, Texans fans, that everyone knows Andre Johnson, errr....I mean, Andre J., is a really great football player despite his poor DVOA.  If he went deep less and ran some more quick slants and in-and-outs, it would be a good thing for his DVOA rating, and probably for the Texans offense too.  It's not a problem with the stat, it's a problem with the boundaries of the stat.  This is why we have balanced looks at things.

Kevin Walter

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Scouting: Walter is a prototypical slot receiver/your favorite team's WELKAAAAH!  He's a solid blocker, and he's got good hands.  He's not a deep threat by any means, though he can break free on play-action routes.  The Texans left him in to run block a little too much the last two years.  He's a good blocking wide receiver, the key words there being "wide receiver".  A good blocking wide receiver is great if you're looking to throw someone off-guard, but not quite so effective if you run the same play where he comes down off the block and helps 10 times a game, like a tight end.  For a tight end, Kevin Walter would be a very good wide receiver.  

Overall: Boy, 8th overall in DVOA!  Teams must be piecing together their big contract proposals for him right now, tampering be damned!    And here you see the yin-yang of the equation.  Andre Johnson draws the coverage, and Kevin Walter took advantage of it when he was looked to.  That 76% catch rate may be a bit of a fluke, by the way.

Is Kevin Walter worth, say, Nate Washington money (6/27 with $9 mil guaranteed)?  Probably not, especially to a team that has 2 perfectly acceptable wideouts and a franchise guy already under contract for next year.  Is he worth, say, Bryant Johnson money (3/9)?  Absolutely.  The Texans will be helped by the perception that he had a down year after 2008.  If there's no collective bargaining agreement, that could be good or bad, depending on whether one of the 8 or so owners who actually will spend something thinks he's an upgrade for them.  My gut feeling is he stays and takes much closer to 3 years/$9 mil.  I just hope that him staying doesn't mean he's guaranteed the second-most wide receiver snaps again simply because he's a good blocker.  

David Anderson

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Scouting: Anderson brings most of what Walter brings to the table, but he's not anywhere near as good a blocker, as you might have guessed by his size.  I think he gets cleaner breaks than Walter and is a step faster coming out of them.  Again, not the kind of guy who is going to beat anyone deep, but a perfectly capable option in the short game.  Generally reliable over the middle.

Overall: I think Anderson's best fit is as a fourth wide receiver.  He's got good hands, he can play the underneath route excellently, and he takes a good hit.  It's easy to get attached to players like Anderson and want to root for them, particularly after his excellent Ron Jaworski impression.  But the best sign the 2010 Texans offense could have, if Walter is back, is for Anderson to be on the field for less than 1/4 of the teams snaps.  He's adequate as a third wide receiver.  Any higher than that and his limitations will start to show.

Jacoby Jones

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(FOA didn't run a projection for Jones in 2009)

Scouting: Jacoby is an impressive physical specimenl; that's something that we've always known.  Up until this point, he never really got on the field as a wide receiver, both due to his acumen in the return game and because the coaching staff was scared of his mental mistakes.  He really put it together after the first five games or so, at least when he wasn't busy being inactive for missing team flights.  He's got the speed to beat corners deep, the moves to get open one-on-one, and the hands seem to come and go.  

Overall: There are two topics to get into with Jacoby. 

If you move him to a full-time wide receiver, you're pretty much obliged to go get a new kick returner.  I'm not saying Jacoby has been anywhere near as good as Devin Hester was in his prime, but he's a very big asset to the return game (PFF: +2.7 on punts in 08, +2.7 on kickoffs in 09, +4.8 on punts in 09), which has buoyed our special teams for a few years now (7th by FO in 09, 17th in 08, 3rd in 07) and Andre Davis no longer shows the same burst to me.  If you make him a full-time receiver, it seems likely that he will struggle to contribute the same amount to the return game.  Do you trade an already excellent kick returner for the potential of a second awesome wide receiver next to Johnson?  For me, the answer is yes.  For others, maybe not.

Secondly, this is exactly the type of player who is incredibly hard to project.  He has all the classic enigma qualities: the outstanding body and raw tools, getting in trouble with the brass on multiple occasions (and was almost cut before the season), the great production in limited opportunities (best DYAR of any player to not qualify for a ranking by FO).  A time traveler from 2011 could tell me that Jacoby makes the Pro Bowl in 2010 as a receiver or that he was cut and out of the league by Week 10 and I wouldn't be surprised either way.  All I can say is that I'm going to be incredibly disappointed in the brass if he isn't playing 60% of the snaps next year.  He's earned the opportunity, and the Texans need to see what they have here.  This is also why I think the Texans will re-sign Kevin Walter, who at least gives them some semblance of a backup plan if Jacoby flames out.

Andre Davis

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Scouting: I don't think too highly of Davis anymore.  He got on the field for the offense about 100 times but I can't remember any of them aside for plays where Andre Johnson was hurt, and in those cases I was thinking more about Johnson's health than Davis' skills.  Davis is a deep threat, in theory, but didn't take that into practice much last year.  He's not going to catch the ball very often, but when he does it should go for a big gain.  He looked a lot slower and less decisive on kick returns this year as well.  

Overall: The money that Davis commands probably precludes him from being cut outright, since it'd be about a $1.8 million cap hit.  Still, this is exactly the kind of player smart teams find a way to let other teams wind up with before they are completely toast.  Davis has his special teams uses even if he's not a great returner anymore, but those sorts of players aren't exactly hard to find around the league.  Especially since it seems the gentle aging curve of Davis, 31 before the season starts, came to an end last year.  If the Texans could find some way to get Al Davis interested again and finagle even a late round pick for him, it'd be a huge coup for everyone except Raiders fans.  Those poor souls.  We'll always remember 2007, Andre.

(F*** it, I'm ) Going Deep

Glenn Martinez: A decent replacement level wide receiver/special teamer.  No one is going to mistake him for even a fourth receiver, but he should continue to have a few good preseason games every year as long as he has his footspeed.  If one of Houston's receivers got hurt, they'd probably intentionally drop whatever package it would be that would force Martinez onto the field on offense.  Interestingly, they ran him onto the field as a tight end for a few plays this year.

Tight Ends

Joel Dreessen

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(PFP 2008 did not run a Dreessen projection)

Scouting: Dreessen is a perfectly capable tight end in just about all areas of the game.  If you had to give him a label, it'd be a blocking tight end, but if he's about a 6.5/10 at blocking, then he's about a 5.5/10 at receiving.  Dreessen is at his best pulling in the blocking game, and I continue to be stunned that the Texans rarely ever put him behind Duane Brown and protect 6 there.  He looked adept in the H-Back role in shotgun this year, which was also a much better option than having Chris Brown back there.  I'm sort of amused that between Dreessen, Steve Slaton, Ryan Moats, and Arian Foster, Kubes and Baby Shanahan couldn't figure out that Dreessen is the best blocker (and worst receiver) of the lot.  

Overall: While this was probably a bit of a fluke year, Dreessen has proven that he can be a capable fill-in at tight end.  I really doubt that he sees the field quite this much next year, but he's got quite a bit of versatility and guys like that are useful as long as they stay cheap.  He also gives the Texans a lot of flexibility with regards to the Owen Daniels contract situation because he gives a decent bridge to the two rookies.

Owen Daniels

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Scouting: Daniels is easily a Top 5 tight end in every area of the passing game.  I don't think you need a scout to tell you that.  The big question with Daniels lies in his blocking.  While I don't think he's a net negative as PFF's stats seem to, he's a terrible blocker who gets bad leverage and is good for a few false starts a year.  Subjectively, I think he fits much better in the Dallas Clark role, spread outside in the slot most of the game.  That's not to say he should never be on the line, but it'd be a better use of his skills and draw whoever takes him in coverage away from the line of scrimmage.

Overall: Daniels is probably the Texans player with the largest split between perceived value and actual value.  He's a tick overrated by those who don't tune in to the blocking numbers, and since he has all those catches and is a great fantasy tight end, people seem to think we should just hand him whatever contract he wants.  I'm in lockstep with those who would trade a 1 and a 3 for him, and coming off a major knee injury, I don't think he has the kind of leverage he'd like this go-round.  As long as there is no new CBA, I think you have to slap him with the RFA tag unless he'll agree to take a contract somewhere in the $4-5 mil range with some opt-outs.  If the NFL miraculously does come up with a CBA, he probably will be franchised.  There are just too many questions about Daniels coming off the injury to justify a big deal right now, in my opinion.

James Casey

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(Casey didn't have a projection in FOA 2009)

Scouting: Casey fits the Owen Daniels mold, although he's a bit more versatile.  He's much better catching balls than he is blocking; in fact, I'm a bit puzzled as to why exactly he had such a rough time getting on the field in passing downs after Daniels went down.  Casey's season in a microcosm came in a Week 15 play against the Rams.  The Texans ran a play-action pass, Schaub came out on the bootleg, Andre Johnson was double or triple covered deep, Vonta Leach was one-on-one in the flat, and Casey was wide open about 10 yards downfield.  Schaub throws to Leach, who catches it and goes nowhere, and Casey looks around after the play trying to figure out who was covering him, only to find no one near him.  

Overall: You have to think Casey's role will grow next season, right?  But I really can't see it happening.  It's not that he's not talented, but he doesn't bring anything to the field right now that the Texans don't already have.  If he's going to be split off the line, the Texans have better receivers and he's not as good as Daniels.  If he's going to be on the line, he can't block, and Daniels is again better.  If I were him, I'd spend the whole summer learning to block and show I can do that better than anyone else on the team during training camp, because right now, that is his ticket onto the field.  Well, that or Daniels holding out or getting hurt again.  

(F*** it, I'm) Going Deep

Anthony Hill: I'd love to sit here and say I learned a lot about Anthony Hill from his 20 snaps this year, but really he just alternated good with bad.  You could see flashes of why the Texans thought he was worth a fourth rounder; he's got a really impressive body, he gets a push, and he has the skills to be a receiving tight end, if not the hands.  Whether he turns those talents into a football player is an open question.  A whole year of offseason activities couldn't hurt.    

Dezmond Sherrod: Practice squad member, ex-Steeler practice squad member.  I know nothing about Dezmond Sherrod, but from what I've been able to dig up on Google, I am thinking he may be a blocking tight end first.  My clues were sentences in his college bio like "Appeared on the stats sheet for the first time in Week 3 against Tulane," and "Added another catch (4 yards) in Week 9 vs. Kentucky".  

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another good writeup and just further convincing me of just how worthless a DVOA number is.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Jan 14, 2010 1:33 PM CST reply actions  

It seems to me

That he whole point of DVOA is to try to take into account things that raw numbers can’t, but there are too many things it still fails to take into consideration for it to matter.

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Jan 14, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel like DVOA is more effective

in judging a unit or a certain match-up/statistic than an individual.

by TexansDC on Jan 14, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Re: Apostrophe's cap hit

Only an issue if 2010 is capped, though. If not, that $1.8 means nada and he’s likely gone faster than a donut pizza at an overeaters anonymous meeting.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 14, 2010 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

donut pizza?

tell me more…

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Jan 14, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

oh my...

…..i might need some tissues

In Canada our balls are bigger

by canadian texan on Jan 14, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

is it… is it… good?

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Jan 14, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

How can it not be good?

I have never tried it but when you blend two awesome thing together like that, you cant go wrong. I mean if a pizza bagel is good, then a pizza donut must be amazing.

Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.

by BigNate7 on Jan 14, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Logic ^ FTW

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Jan 15, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

It is.

I really don’t know if there’s a donut pizza here in the U.S. but back in the Philippines, a couple of donut shopts were selling it.

by Jordann on Jan 14, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

A quick google reveals..

The existence of a “Dogh King Donut and Pizza Shop” off of Westheimer by the West Oaks Mall.

by JimboTexan on Jan 14, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

according to google it would only take me

23 hours 50 mins to get there. Might be worth it though…

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Jan 14, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

go geography

google maps says 1 day 1 hour…..and that probably excludes the line at customs

In Canada our balls are bigger

by canadian texan on Jan 14, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

go proximity

I could be there in half an hour. How could I have never hear of this place?! /mourns wasted life

380 lbs of pure pirogi

by LoneSpot on Jan 14, 2010 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

It'll take me twenty minutes.

Hahah I always win!

I know what im eating for breakfast tomorrow!

by Jordann on Jan 15, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

It will either

Be sublime or toxic. Let us know. It’s 15 minutes from my parents house, so it could become a holiday staple.

by JimboTexan on Jan 15, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

damn!

I guess i’ll see you there tomorrow morning LOL

by Jordann on Jan 15, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

"I'm going to look at every player who played more than 100 snaps for the Texans from a number of different angles."

You dirty rascal…

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Jan 14, 2010 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

Owen Daniels

If Smithiak could find a team that would give them a first and third round pick for a TE coming off an ACL tear, they’d do it in a heartbeat. Especially with James Casey (agree with you, Rivers, that he mirrors, albeit as a lesser player, OD at this point) on the roster.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 14, 2010 4:03 PM CST reply actions  

NT and DB in the first round...

I would explode from the awesome

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by nolander on Jan 14, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I'd jump at the 1st alone, honestly.

But I also don’t think anyone will be giving up their high picks this year. And I really don’t see a situation on one of the haves where they’d do that. Most teams in the DAL-PHI-CHI-DEN etc tier have settled TE situations, and New England has never really chased TE in free agency.

I think I’d put about 8:1 odds on Daniels holding out at some point over being traded.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Jan 14, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus...

On principle, it’s almost always sheer folly to give up a first and third round pick for any player. For a TE? Insanity.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 14, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Word.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 15, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Unless

that player’s name is Herschel Walker

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Jan 15, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't worry

I’m sure that phrases such as this will move back up the priority list once Dunta is no longer around…..or at least not around for $10MM

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Jan 15, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Good.

We need to start including this in our daily banter since we do play them this coming season.

by Jordann on Jan 15, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Would you take

A second and somethign elsefrom the Bengals? I seem to remember them making a move for Martellus Bennet around the trading deadline. And their tight ends are horrific. They should be in about the range where a first for OD doesn’t sound like a horrible idea.

by JimboTexan on Jan 14, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Even though

In my opinion, it probably would be…especially if they gave up a first. A second probably not.

by JimboTexan on Jan 14, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be opposed

Though I’d rather have a higher second than Cincy’s. I guess for me it comes down to “is Kubiak okay enough with Casey/Hill to comfortably run his 2 TE sets?” If yes, then sure, lets go for it. If not, then I’d be hesitant.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Jan 14, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately though

Kubiak is completely unable to let go of players he has a history with. So I doubt they even look at trading him. He’s too conservative to even risk Hill/Casey/Dreessen not working out. Hell, he wouldn’t even let go of Sage until after the horrors of the Rosencopter.

by JimboTexan on Jan 15, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this Kub's is almost too loyal

He has a tendency to keep players too long, and to let the guys he drafted high, play as starters for too long with too little production. This is the only time you will ever here me say this, but I like how Mr. Hoody up in NE does this, it is all about what you do on the field. Not where you where drafted.

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Jan 15, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

On the surface, I would agree, but I think there is more to it

In order to go in a different direction, you need a viable alternative. Those alternatives do not just fall in your lap at the snap of your fingers. If you decide mid-season that a player is not working out, you can’t always just bench the player if what you have waiting in the wings is a substandard player. Sometimes you have to look at that player who isn’t performing and go with him, but making adjustments in your game-plan to cover up that player’s weakness or just use that player in situations where he is somewhat effective. Chris Brown is a perfect example. He was not an effective running back carrying the ball, so his carries went down. But he was the most effective running back at picking up blitzes, so he made appearances on the field in those situations. Now, he will still get carries, because, even though he is not the perfect player for that, you can’t telegraph all your plays to the opposition. If he only came in to block on pass plays, the other teams would figure that out fairly quickly and adjust their game-plans accordingly.

As in the past, I expect we will see the team make changes where they can make them during the off-season. Chris Brown, my example, is probably one of those changes that we will see this off-season. I expect that through the draft or free agency, or both, we will see the team move in a different direction. Of course, the team has to be certain that any change is indeed better than what they currently have, so we may see Chris Brown strung-along into the preseason to see what is the best way to go. I suspect the Texans will find something and Chris Brown will be jettisoned.

Perhaps, in the opposite sense of your original thought about Kubiak’s loyalty, I think we have seen him show loyalty to some veteran players and cut them as early as possible in the preseason so they have time to catch on with another team.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Jan 15, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

In this draft...

I’d take a 2nd and 3rd/4th for Daniels.

This draft is very deep at most positions.

by TexansDC on Jan 14, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd and you make some good points

The end result of these two are the same to me, and I think you may have underrated Walter’s quickness a bit. Anderson COULD make the same sorts of intermediate throws work, IMO, he just doesn’t get asked to do it in this offense. I’m looking at that rather than how they get there, where I’ll agree that Walter definitely has more work to do (which I casually noted in saying that Anderson is a step quicker and gets cleaner breaks).

Using Walter as the TE-in-absentia DEFINITELY weakened his game, I agree. That helped pull his numbers down. Good point and one I might edit in later.

And yes, that Jacoby lets the success go to head and does something dumb is also one of my top worries. Sigh. Keep it smart, JJ.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Jan 14, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Other than pretty reliable hands

and grittiness.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 15, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I know David Andersen has his limitations, but give this mane credit for making hard catches when he had to.

There was one where it was a 3rd and 7 or something, Schaub throws it to David, David was getting hit whilst in mid air and he still caught it.

DA is my fave WR besides AJ…

Schlauton

by Schlauton on Jan 14, 2010 7:11 PM CST reply actions  

Hey, I love DA too

There’s nothing wrong with that, he’s easy to get attached to.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Jan 14, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

May be a stupid question

But is there a position coach specifically designated to wide receivers? Cause if there is, that guy is AWESOME.

by WhiskeyR on Jan 14, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus the guy is freaking hillarious

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 15, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Andersen

Seemed to make a bunch of crucial 3rd down catches last year. It almost seemed like that was the only time he caught the ball.

The Texans.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 15, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow

We’ve already moved on to calling it “last year”, huh?

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Jan 15, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

well

It is 2010 now doncha know.

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Jan 15, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

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