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For Some Reason, Unfortunately, The Mario vs. Reggie Debate Still Continues...

This is the kind of garbage that has started to surface since the playoffs this past weekend.

Let me first start off by saying that I am still 100% in the camp of "The Texans Picked Right" by selecting Mario Williams #1 overall in the 2006 NFL Draft. I'm not going to be some Dickie Justice, Age 12, and write a negative Mario article just to get a rise out of people.

No, unfortunately there are plenty of short sighted NFL fans and analysts out there who are still wetting their pants over New Orleans Saints "running back" Reggie Bush's good game against the troubled Arizona defense this past Saturday. I'm not going to deny that he had a good game. But that's it.

A good game.

Yet, the media and callers on the radio (most of whom are likely Saints fans, as there are a lot of them in Houston) are back to saying the Texans messed up by picking Mario over Reggie in 2006. Which, to me, is just comical. I am willing to bet if you ask all 32 General Managers in the NFL today if they would rather have Mario Williams or Reggie Bush, short of maybe Al Davis, they're all more than likely going to take Mario.

A debate could be made that Mario did have an "off" year this season by playing through injury. He did not compile the flashy sack numbers he had the previous two seasons, but he improved greatly against the run and did still apply plenty of pressure on opposing QBs. That is the only way he got into the Pro Bowl this year "off of reputation." Texans fans may love to put Mario down sometimes, but he gets tons of respect by fans and players and coaches of other teams. They game-plan their offense for a guy like Mario Williams. When was the last time someone game-planned their defense towards stopping Reggie Bush? I am pretty sure it was when he was still wearing the cardinal and gold of a USC uniform.

The new argument is that Reggie Bush has "helped" the Saints get to the second NFC championship game of his career while Mario has yet to even taste the playoffs. Yeah, those 390 yards and 5 TDs he accounted for during the regular season sure were the deciding factor for this year's Saints. Also, and I may be a bit biased here, but the last time I checked the NFC South didn't have anything on the AFC South.

Everyone in the media (short of Mel Kiper) have recently admitted they were wrong about Mario and that he was indeed the correct pick. Yet, Reggie has one good game and the ESPN Hype Machine is back out of control. I guess that's just the nature of the beast.

Hey, one good thing out of it is that no one even mentioned Vince Young in that conversation though. I guess there's always a silver lining.

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I agree with you, and those are all good points, but how big is Mario’s girlfriend’s ass?

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by indifferent5000 on Jan 19, 2010 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

before this last game, that was all Bush was really recognized for, as Kim Kardashian's boyfriend

for a #2 pick, that’s pretty crappy, yet not a bad consolation prize

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Jan 19, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

That couldn’t me more truthful.

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by Mike Kerns on Jan 19, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

LMAO

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Jan 19, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I always wondered if GMs and owners sit around at home drinking Coors Light and laughing at how dumb espn commentators are.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Jan 19, 2010 9:05 AM CST reply actions  

That's what Tim does

on the weekends.

Then he drinks a six pack of Zima and proceeds to have a conversation with Scott about who’s a better
punter. Matt Turk or Chad Stanley.

by Jordann on Jan 19, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What about seeing who’s a better kicker: Kris Brown or Chad Ochocinco?

by theaxeeffect4311 on Jan 19, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Stop

Peeping through my windows every weekend, Jordann.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 19, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

To be fair

I don’t think he is in the closet about it.

by distant_texans_fan on Jan 19, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I was with you until...

…the link to Bleacher Report. I saw links to some other more visually stimulating articles. I drooled a little.

Where am I?

by HoustonTransplant on Jan 19, 2010 9:21 AM CST reply actions  

I know not of what you speak...

/sarcasm

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by Mike Kerns on Jan 19, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey!!!

I’m on bleacher report. Oh well, to each his own. There are definitely some douches over there.

"...and if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know". SL

by Southern Lion on Jan 19, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he was talking about the gratuitous boobs

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 19, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

boobs!!

And the flexible gymnasts.
/drool

by HoustonTransplant on Jan 19, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I got that

just after I answered with the reply. It is difficult to stay focused there…..from time to tim…..what were we talking about?

"...and if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know". SL

by Southern Lion on Jan 19, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Like Vega?

ZOMG I’m so funny.

The Texans.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 19, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I heard that

It’s not my fault I became a homeless blogger and gravitated toward a site with a bunch of boobs.

That’s the same way I started writing for DGDB&D

by Vega on Jan 19, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And the boobs

Were Matt’s.

He IS a C-cup, you know.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 19, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

It was you giving him the dirty half-and-half

that sealed the deal, though.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 20, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

For reminding me who you are.

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by LoneSpot on Jan 20, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

"For Some Reason, Unfortunately, The Mario vs. Reggie Debate Still Continues..."

Only if you are a total and complete moron.

(The people who think this, not you, Kerns)

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 19, 2010 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

I got ya

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by Mike Kerns on Jan 19, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Whatever

You know you meant Kerns.

The Texans.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 19, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Offensive players

always get more love from the media than the defensive players.

But the league knows who to fear.

by Jordann on Jan 19, 2010 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

Let's put this in perspective

You know how bad our run game was in 2009?

That’s Reggie Bush for his career.

And he’s no Dave Meggett in the return game, either.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 19, 2010 9:39 AM CST reply actions  

The fact is

Mario got in on rep

radio or Reggie bust would never get in on rep

case closed

by AllenOU on Jan 19, 2010 11:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

The way Reggie Bust has played...

…he really would have had his value maximized as a 2nd or 3rd round pick. 1000 yards isn’t enough.

As a #2 overall pick, Reggie’s a bust. I’d be erupting if my team were paying him over 40, 50 million dollars.

It’s only an argument to your dumb, average fans. Mario’s a 2-time Pro Bowler and a big fatty away from really getting to Jared Allen levels of havoc.

by TexansDC on Jan 19, 2010 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

the 2006 draft would have made more sense if MJD & Reggie would have swapped draft spots.

I’d rather play Reggie Bust twice a year than Pocket Hercules, & I guarantee looking back at it Saints fans would rather have MJD over their stable of RBs

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Jan 19, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

How can this even be a conversation?

Before the Saints’ playoff game, the Saints were said to be discussing what to do with Bush. At the very least, he’s looking at taking a pay cut. Is anyone talking about cutting Mario Williams or telling him to take a pay cut? Even if the Texans had taken Bush, everyone would be complaining about Bush and his fumbling problem.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Jan 19, 2010 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

Reason number one

Why I disregard virtually the entire body of work of the MSM, be it in sports or anything else.

It feels like I’m freebasing dog poop when I say this, but even BBS is a better analyst than most of those in the MSM.

The Texans.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 19, 2010 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

BANNED

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Jan 19, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Dear Tim,

Someone has hacked tGC’s account and is posting inflammatory material. I have flagged the offensive post, but I thought you might like to look into this further.

Yours in Durga,
MDC

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Jan 19, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Someone call the police

I think Brad is holding tGC hostage

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Jan 19, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh my

tGC, you’re going to need to turn in your BRB super-friends ring and matching cape.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 19, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The thing is

Most level headed fans of the Saints say that Bush is basically a love/hate relationship. He’ll sit out/be injured, be largely ineffective, and not make much of an impact for the whole season, and then have 1 game where he shows what he can do. As a #2 pick he’s quite a bust, but it’s not his fault he was drafted so high and got his knob slobbed by every talking head on the planet for about 2 or 3 years straight.

All that being said, you don’t hear the level headed fans much. It’s always the psycho retards that can only point to his TEAM being in the post season, and not anything that he’s done individually. I hate that crap, it smells of VY love.

by b0ng on Jan 19, 2010 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

yeah, but it's even more irrational than the vy thing

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 19, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but when you get to that irrational

It’s like saying “The Holocaust was way worse than the Armenian Genocide”. I think the VY stuff is perpetuated more here because there are still (will be nameless) bloggers and radio personalities who beat the VY drum on occassion. IN HOUSTON. WHERES MY GUN.

by b0ng on Jan 19, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Its ok I got it

The sad fact is though that public schools don’t teach about the Armenian Genocide that I know of, just like you don’t hear about China during the cold war but you hear about how bad of a guy stalin was all the time

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by nolander on Jan 19, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Reggie has come nowhere near the hype, but he would have had to be the second coming of Patrick Willis to even come close.

There shouldn’t be a debate at this point though. Mario has put himself in the upper echelon of pass rushers, even with his off year. Sure there are many people who would take a Jared Allen (fuck him) or a Freeney over Mario as a pass rusher…and that’s fine. It doesn’t matter if he’s universally considered the “greatest” as long as he’s near universally considered in the top ten or so….especially because he’s also developing as a better run stopper than most of the other elite pass rushers. He’s proved himself “worthy” of the top pick.

I think we’re a little to harsh with the bust label for first round picks mainly because everyone wants their first round picks to be a hall of famer and the greatest ever at their position. It’s taken some time, but Bush has carved himself out a nice role on the Saints. He does play a big part in their offense and there’s no way you can call him a failure of an NFL player at this point even if he didn’t live up to expectations completely. The saints finally quit trying to make him into something he’s not and let him focus on the things he excels at. That doesn’t mean that Mario isn’t clearly the better pick, because he most certainly is/was.

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by papabear on Jan 19, 2010 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

I dont think he is a failure as an NFL player but he still is a bust just b/c of where he was taken in the draft. I agree with TexansDC that if he was taken later in the draft, he wouldn’t be considered a bust. I mean I could point to Mr. Mittens as he is a bust but apparently not a failure as an NFL player. Only Durga knows why he still gets paid and has a Superbowl ring.

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by BigNate7 on Jan 19, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet

Eli’s fluffer is happy in NY, I mean he would have never got a super bowl ring here in Houston. And he isn’t on his back more times than a German Hooker anymore.

Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Jan 19, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he got a ring, did he?

I thought the year the Gints won it, he was with Carolina.
If that motherfucker did, I quit sports. that’s a fucking slap in the face to every football fan, player, and coach.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 20, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Yea, I think you are right. But still, the fact he is still in the league is a slap in the face

Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.

by BigNate7 on Jan 20, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree AND concur.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 20, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I love...

 how lil dickie justice (age 12 yrs old) and those like him, the Cowboy fans, and Mr KardashianFBs and VYFBs, always attack the Texans with, “oh your team hasnt even made the playoffs blah blah blah. I would take VY or Mr Kardashian any day over Mario blah blah blah!” How much has Mr Kardashian or VY done to help their teams? because I can tell you how much Mario has helped mine. And shit we had casserly Effin our team in the A and C-ing all over our chins for so many years. Southern Oklahoma can keep their Megalomaniac Owner, and their over priced wanna be teh schaub! NO can keep their over priced 3rd down back!

Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Jan 19, 2010 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

I just think it is funny that Saints fans forget how it took them 20 years to have a winning record.

Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.

by BigNate7 on Jan 19, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

oh guess what

We play Dallas next season… I wonder what Dickie will have to say when the cowgirls come to town and the Texans beat them.. I wonder if he will continue to kiss Jerry the megalomaniac’s @$$ then?

Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Jan 20, 2010 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll take the "yes" on that one

Then 14 paragraphs pining for VY.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 20, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

But the Cowboys will still be "more interesting"!

If you define “interesting” as “aging, overpaid, and prone to choking in big games”, at least.

by Nashmeister on Jan 20, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

for the past couple of years

I have called it Days of our Cowgirls.. The soap opera that is the Dallas Cowgirls!


Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Jan 20, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

HAHA!

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 20, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

There's only one argument that Reggie Bush wins over Mario...

Luckiest SOB ever

- Makes #2 overall money to be a “specialist” and not having to take 300-400 carry beatings every year.
- Is on a winning team without helping them win
- Is Mr. Kardashian

by TexansDC on Jan 19, 2010 1:46 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

That’s not a bad deal…

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by Mike Kerns on Jan 19, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd take that deal

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Jan 20, 2010 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't even..

call him Reggie Bush anymore because of the Woman with that uber sexy ass and horrible personality. I think that Mr. Kardashian should be put into the Glossary.

Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Jan 19, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Mario is leader

reggie is just 3rd down back with great hands

living the Texas dream

by Joe25 on Jan 19, 2010 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

Okay

So, do you renegotiate his contract this year or do you go ahead and let him ride with his huge bonus?

by b0ng on Jan 19, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

If Saint's management calls me for my opinion.....

I’ll tell them it would be preferable to renegotiate his contract. They haven’t called yet.

by Drew-Dat on Jan 19, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Very Nice

Drew-Dat your post is the best thing I have read on SB Nation in over month. It has insite, clarity and perspective. If I could add anything to this discussion it would be the fact that Bush will never be more than a satellite (10-12 touches per game) player. This is not a put down of Reggie but rather an acknowledgement of what he is as a player. I just watched him carve up the Cardinals defense and ST’s. Much to my consternation, Bush could not be stopped.

The debate of Bush vs Mario Williams is pointless and simply fodder for media types that lack the neccessary skill to talk intelligently about the game and thus fall back on these kinds of “topics”

Bush is a special player for specific amount of downs during a game. Bush is one of the games explosive perimeter players. He lacks the great instincts of the top backs and has not shown a consistent desire to run with the physical presence between the tackles to establish himself as anything more than a part-time player. A ground game can’t be built around the Bushes’ of the world.

Mario Williams is a special player and is worthy of being selected where he was selected imo. Williams is a complete player that you build your defense around. He’s a corner stone. . He’s more run stuffer than pass-rusher but his up-side would be realized if he had more “help”.

Both are great player for their respective franchise’s. If I had to choose between the two players……it would have to be the Mario brother!

by Cardsfan81 on Jan 19, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

great post,

but my calling him Mr Kardashian has nothing to do with him, it just to the fact that he is dating a skirt that became popular because she has a sex tape with Ray J and if it wasn’t for that video neither Ray J nor Kim would be famous and that she is probably as well or more known than Reggie Bush. I being a Texan Boy, have disliked Mr Kardashian, since his days at USC, I have thought he was overrated, and more hype than he was worth, and with his performance in the Rose Bowl and his professional Career, is a specialist at best. I will say his philanthropy is great but he wants to payback his paychecks while at USC lol jk.

Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Jan 20, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

i haven't read all of these comments but i'd like to point out one thing.

this came as a shock to me but super mario is in the top 5 in sacks over the past 4 years. again, i haven’t checked to see if someone has already said this. super mario> Bush

Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
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by Rockets 4 Life on Jan 19, 2010 6:18 PM CST reply actions  

Can someone redo that picture at that top

It should read.

“PRO BOWLS”
“The difference between #1 and #2”
“One of these players has been invited to two of them”

by distant_texans_fan on Jan 19, 2010 7:05 PM CST reply actions  

I almost

used a picture of Mario tackling Reggie but why have Reggie twice when I can have Mario Sacking Peyton Manning???

Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Jan 20, 2010 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Eh the life of a bored college student

too much time on my hand, not enough snow on the mountain and Adobe Photoshop!!!


Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Jan 20, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.

by BigNate7 on Jan 20, 2010 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Hook 'Em Horns

Glad VY is out of the picture

But that image is wrong regardless. Bush’s team helped him get to 2 Conference Championships, not the other way around. The guy has one good game and people starting blowing there loads about him just like it seems fashionable to do about brett favre

In Canada our balls are bigger

by canadian texan on Jan 19, 2010 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

amendment

i’m not saying bush was riding the coattails of his team, what i’m saying is he didn’t carry the team either

In Canada our balls are bigger

by canadian texan on Jan 19, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm missing the point....

Someone help me

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Jan 19, 2010 8:11 PM CST reply actions  

I dunno that last story was more of a “hope Reggie Bush can do great, but Mario is better” type of article…I don’t really see the whole OMG Reggie BETTAR!!….like I said more of a “for the sake of excitement and the comebackedness of it, I hope Reggie does good”

Schlauton

by Schlauton on Jan 19, 2010 10:43 PM CST reply actions  

I like how Mario's been clearly better for four years...

until they show Kardashians celebrating a Bush garbage-minutes up-the-middle punt return.

This changes everything.

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by Jason Kirk on Jan 20, 2010 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

I know

Reggie Bush, the NFL’s version of a victory cigar….

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Jan 20, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

View of another Saints fan who lived in Houston

When Bush gives 100%, I’d say he wins hands down. Unfortunately, all too often, he doesn’t. Williams does. Bush’s inexplicable timing to his flashes of brilliance require him to be taken seriously by the opposing defense, giving the team value even in an off day; but Williams can be counted on by Houston’s coaching staff. Hate to admit it, but in the grand scheme of things, Williams gets the nod. On another note, what do you guys feel is missing from the Texans being a postseason threat? Is Kubiak the issue, or is it something more complex?

Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.

by alcoholic_insight on Jan 20, 2010 10:42 PM CST reply actions  

Kubes inability

to manage the time is a problem. this season there were many times I was like call a timeout, run the clock etc etc. but for the most part that isnt the thing that keeps us out of the postseason. It is the fact we are missing a few components on our team to finish games. This team has seen the light though, and I believe even if we don’t get a chance to fill those positions, which i have faith we will, The Texans will be a better team next year!


Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Jan 20, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

A bit of bad luck

Some boneheaded play calling, and our defense is probably not quite good enough just yet. If we draft as well on the defensive side of the ball this year as we did last year we may well make the jump.

The Texans.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 21, 2010 5:54 AM CST up reply actions  

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