Checking the Pulse 1/26 - What Position Should the Texans Target in the 1st Round?
by bigfatdrunk on Jan 26, 2010 1:43 PM CST
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I know, I know. 15 yard penalty for premature prognostibation.
Lots of talk. Lots of faves. Lots of opinion. Even more beer.
All things considered equal....if we don't go for the best available talent...if we don't make a deal...if we are drafting in a complete and total vacuum...what position would you like your Houston Texans to target with our first round pick?
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 26, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely did
And ordered an “I’m With Coco” t-shirt.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 26, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You were my point of reference
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 26, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will be happy as long as we get a good player.
It might be a tackle who can switch to guard, maybe we get the big DT from Tenn. Maybe the Texans decide to try Quinn at FS and we draft a corner, I trust Smithiak to make a good decision. Which shows the franchise is in a much better place than Chuck Casserly left it in. Can you guys imagine a 3rd round pick, who will be cut before he ever plays a down in the league ? Well Casserly can, I think his name was Charles Hill.
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Hill was selected in the third round of the 2002 NFL Draft by the Houston Texans (83rd overall). During the 2002 season, he played in all 16 games for the Texans, and primarily saw action on special teams which included two kick-off returns.] In 2003, he was allocated to the Berlin Thunder of NFL Europe, where he recorded 14 tackles, one sack, and one forced fumble. After that season, Hill signed or attended training camps of various teams including the Chicago Bears, Carolina Panthers, and San Francisco 49ers.
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by nolander on Jan 26, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Horrible pick though...
We coulda had Brian Westbrook as opposed to Charles Hill and Jonathan Wells.
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this ^
except the thing about CB
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jan 26, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone on the LINE
I dont think any CB is worth a 1st rounder and rather wait till round 2 or 3 to pick up a WIlson, Cox, Robinson, Rolle player…
Safety i think we are good with wilson and pollard though i want one more…that can wait till 2 or 3…
I think OL or NT should be what we are looking for…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jan 26, 2010 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We could always take two corners. You can never have too many corners.
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by nolander on Jan 26, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could always take two tight ends. You can never have too many tight ends.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 26, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DAMMIT BFD!
How am I gonna pick TE if it’s not one of the choices up there?!
Since TE wasn’t up there, I voted for NT.
Anything to help the pass rush.
by Jordann on Jan 26, 2010 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good point; it should be up there....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jan 26, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking
The Exact same thing, I was looking for TE to vote bc we need moar Tight Ends DAMMIT!!! so I voted for NT as well
by Taco Joe on Jan 26, 2010 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Would the Texans give up a 5th rounder for Tony Scheffler? He’s likely to be on his way out of Denver this offseason.
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by Horsepower on Jan 26, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, 3rd rounder I mean
He’s familiar with Kubiak’s system as he played in it for 3 years under Shanny. I think he could help the Texans. The question is, would the team be willing to give up a 3rd for the guy?
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by Horsepower on Jan 26, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Needing another TE is kind of a running joke around here
We already have Daniels, Casey, Dreesen, and Hill on the roster.
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 27, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot
Connor Barwin.
Four more TE’s should suffice our TE quota for this off-season.
by Jordann on Jan 27, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see thanks
That’s a lot of TEs! If any of them can block better than they can catch, they mAy have a future in Denver.
Thanks again and look forward to seeing Houston, Washington, and even Seattle run the ball like the Broncos used to. Good luck to you guys.
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by Horsepower on Jan 27, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who voted for WR!!!
They should be banned!!!
Also, TE should be an option. You can never have enough TE’s, as we discovered last year.
by distant_texans_fan on Jan 26, 2010 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd ban the people who voted RB and C
1) Because why would a Smithiak team do that?
2) The best C available is a 2nd round prospect.
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on C
if the pick was OT, 1st, then C, 2nd; that would not be a bad thing….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jan 26, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we need...
the best NT or DT available, to free up our already badass LB corp.
GO TEXANS!!!!
Our time will come...
by Texanmaniac on Jan 26, 2010 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Trent Williams OU
Yes I am a homer, but the guy can play all five positions on the line and could play center next year then move to guard if we
can get another center.
Also if dez is sitting there I think you take him
by AllenOU on Jan 26, 2010 2:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
1st Round
“Plug And Play” – the player has to be ready to play a position of need on day one.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jan 26, 2010 3:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting how many people want FS addressed
I’m not against Mays or Thomas (though I think Mays is better)
But I’m a little surprised considering Wilson and Barber both had some good games that people see it as a total need.
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by riversmccown on Jan 26, 2010 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I thought FS was in a little better shape. No, I wouldn’t mind Travis Mays, but I think we have bigger fish to fry. PLUS, I still think Quin’s long term position will be at FS, not CB.
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 26, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Mays
Is that the basketball player, turned TE….thought he was retired, but okay, I trust your judgment on this one….Go Travis Mays!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jan 26, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh jeebus
Funny, though, I used to play against him at UT. Just a couple of times. He hated defense.
But, yes, FAIL.
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 26, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a nice write up on Mays by Loesche
Here.
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 26, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bernard Pollard isn't signed, get Mays
….or maybe he’s the WLB that we’re (Lance Zuerlein and I) are looking for.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jan 27, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know that is Rick Smiths first priority.
It has to be pay Pollard and DeMeco.. then figure out what to do with OD, and flip a coin on offering Doontuh a $1 mil contract.
by Taco Joe on Jan 27, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mays is Jewish
Would be a Texans first. Right? Reason enough to pick him.
by clarky1661 on Jan 28, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Second, perhaps.
Let us not forget Sage Rosenfels.
by Nashmeister on Jan 28, 2010 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Sage’s father was Jewish, but as we all know, to actually be a Jew, your mother’s vagina must also be Jewish. Sage is raising his kids Christian. Maysoltov!
by clarky1661 on Jan 29, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You are what your mother is.
My favorite pickup line from college: “I’m Jewish. Wanna see?”
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 29, 2010 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and she said
hold on, let me get my magnifying glass…. ba-dum tssshhhhh!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Feb 6, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m curious about this. Is this people who think Wilson isn’t very good, or is simply unreliable? I wouldn’t want us to spend a pick on FS for anything other then depth really.
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by nolander on Jan 26, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also with this...
I like Wilson, and think the best bet would be to grab Myron Rolle, Myron Lewis, or Robert Johnson in rounds 3-5 to provide depth while grabbing someone who can be a starter one day.
I don’t say CB because I think a guy like Perrish Cox, Kyle Wilson, or Javier Arenas in round 2 would be perfect, and yes that does assume we re-sign Dunta or pick up Leigh Bodden.
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Allen from USF
2-3 round @ FS
by AllenOU on Jan 26, 2010 4:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If you are going to spend that high of a pick I would expect him to start.
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by nolander on Jan 26, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unreliable and mediocre.
He has played 35 games combined his last four seasons. And when he goes down, the Busing/Barber/Brian Russell train goes to town. And that’s a scary prospect.
I think he’s a great insurance policy. If they take Thomas and decide that they don’t want to throw him into the fire, then Wilson gives you a viable option while he learns the ropes. But I don’t like Wilson as a long-term option, and I think at some point we’re not going to hit big on our annual mid-season safety signing. Time to get some stability in there.
That said, I’m still in favor of OG…
by Nashmeister on Jan 26, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Reports say
Texan coaches like Studdard and Caldwell at the OG. I don’t think we’ll be bringing in a 1st rounder.
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
I guess our coaches must like rushing for 3.5 ypc and getting stuffed at the goal-line over and over.
by Nashmeister on Jan 26, 2010 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s gonna be a fun season…
At least, Chris Brown and Rex Grossman aren’t Houston Texans. That’s a positive.
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So even though we wouldn’t be starting the guy right away, and although we could get someone of almost the same talent level in the second, you would want to get a FS despite our other holes?
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by nolander on Jan 26, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really a fair statement there.
Thomas is going to be a good bit more talented than anybody in the second round. And I keep hearing, “oh, we can find a CB or FS after the first round”. How? When’s the last time we found a quality starter in the draft past the first round? And on defense, I don’t think it’s happened in the history of the franchise.
As for why I’d take a free safety? In part because it’s a position with a pretty easy learning curve. Earl Thomas will most likely make his way onto the field and contribute his rookie season.
But you want a DT, I assume. For starters, we don’t have a particularly good track record scouting developing D-linemen. But more importantly the odds of any of these rookie NTs contributing in a major way next year are slim to none. DT has a steep learning curve. I’m a big-picture guy, but this desperately needs somebody who can play at a high level next year, or things are going to get blown up.
by Nashmeister on Jan 27, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas is going to be a good bit more talented than anybody in the second round.
Maybe potential wise, but in terms of actual ability right now? You are going to find a lot of people who disagree with you on that statement. If we are taking a DB in the first, we should be looking at corner not FS. Again for the millionth time, my thinking is simply that if Dan Williams or Terrence Cody(assuming he shows up in shape for the combine) are available at 20, they will be either a) higher rated then the DBs available or b) rated the same, and in that situation, I would rather take a NT because the drop off of DB talent in the 2nd round is really not a whole lot this year.
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by nolander on Jan 27, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh, I got this answer!!!
DeMeco Ryans – 2nd round draft pick and quality starter
What linebackers were drafted ahead of him?
AJ Hawk, pick 5.
Ernie Sims, pick 9
Chad Greenway, pick 17
Bobby Carpenter, pick 18
Manny Lawson, pick 22
3 went right after him: D’Qwell Jackson, Rocky McIntosh, and Thomas Howard.
DeMeco was the “6th best LB.” Out of those 10 guys, only one has made a Pro Bowl: DeMeco Ryans.
(For the record, Bernard Pollard is also a 2nd round pick. You can find starters past round 1, just because we haven’t….doesn’t mean it’s impossible. We need to draft better).
by TexansDC on Jan 27, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a BIG difference...
Between the 33rd overall pick and the 52nd, or wherever our 2nd-rounder is this year. For everyone insisting we can find a DB in the second-round, keep in mind, we’re near the back-end of the second round.
by Nashmeister on Jan 27, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh don't go changing the rules...
You said 2nd round pick. DeMeco was that.
The point was that 5 guys were taken in front of him and none of them could carry his jock.
It’s a matter of finding a guy to fit the system. You said it yourself, FS has an easy learning curve…so why couldn’t a guy like Nate Allen turn into a good starter? He’s got the tools. We’re just gotta make sure his head’s straight.
We’ve never taken a FS before round 4, so round 2 would still be a huge improvement especially in a draft as loaded as this. Not that it’s a guarantee, but a good team can find starters in round 2. We gotta expect more out of Smithiak.
by TexansDC on Jan 27, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defending my vote...
I didn’t just consider what I think is the most pressing need (in my opinion NT – like so many others.)
Considering who I think will be available – we’ve got a better chance at an impact FS than an impact NT.
Suh, McCoy, and Price are likely to be off the board before 15. Barry and (more than likely) Mays will be off the board as well. Which basically means do I like Cody or Thomas better? Or do we reach in a big way?
Cody is rapidly proving to be Andre Smith v2.0 and I don’t think his sheer size would be of much benefit. For an unmotivated fat man, you need look no farther than Evil Genius.
So in my opinion, Thomas would be the best talent v. position need available around where we’re picking. Plus there’s a better chance of Mays slipping than one of the top-tier tackles.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 26, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Suh, McCoy, and Price aren’t NTs. They’re DTs who perform at the UT. We don’t really want them.
The NT we’d likely be targeting is: Dan Williams (unless Terrence Cody shows some heart as opposed to some boobies). If he makes it past Miami then he’ll likely fall into Houston’s lap due to team needs above them.
Earl Thomas is a nice kid, but he’s inconsistent and awful at tackling (forgive me Mack). In the 2nd round, there’s 3 or 4 FS who are capable starters right now, and there’s another 4-6 in round 3 and 4 who can develop there behind Wilson (that’s if we took a CB like Cox or Wilson in round 2).
After Williams and Cody, the 3rd best NT prospect is in round 3-4 with another 2 in 4-5. That’s a huge drop off. You can get starting FS in round 2 or a player who can take over in round 3-4. You can get a starting CB in round 2. You can’t get a starting NT in round 2 though. That’s why it is important to watch what happens with Williams. I know you agree with the NT position, but I’m making the argument against Thomas or Mays in round 1.
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the clarifications
I wasn’t sure which were UT and which were NT (beyond Suh – he still haunts my dreams.)
I suppose if Williams is there, he should get the nod – but I’m skeptical. I still say you take Thomas over Cody. Cody is a dicey choice, regardless of what he did to Tennessee this year.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 26, 2010 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that’s the debate: Thomas over Cody…
Put me on the Thomas side. Cody’s boobs really make it hard to argue for a lazy guy. If he had showed up at 345-350 and played great, he’d have been Miami’s pick, but he couldn’t even care enough to make the effort. I hope that if he runs the 40…it’s with shirt on, unlike Andre Smith.
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now THESE are boobs
I’m just glad he’s not running.
Pic via SI and accompanying article.
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 26, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
those have got to be c-cups
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 26, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no because when you lift those b*tch Tits,
They would be about 5" more than his chest which would make them D-DD range,
source: PrK’s gf has 38Hs (Yeah that’s right my gf has great breasts!)
by Taco Joe on Jan 26, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
He looks like one of those morbidly obese people applying for the tummy tuck surgery, “pro-athlete” is the last thing I think of when I see this pic.
by Bryan72076 on Jan 27, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unless you count professional eating
which I don’t
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 27, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, you do it for free.....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jan 27, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean to simplify it that much
I just look at the draft board and the available players… and balance that against what I consider are our two biggest needs: FS and NT.
And I come to the conclusion that if we’re going to have a shot at either position it’s probably coming down to Thomas v. Cody.
In my perfect world we make an aggressive move one way or the other to address our needs – and if that means trading up a few spots to get Williams, I’m not opposed to that. And if it means trading back late 1st or even into the 2nd and getting some depth/prospects later in 3 and 4, I’m ok with that too.
Ok what I’m really saying is that I want more TEs. MORE DAMMIT!
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 26, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As for Williams, this is what looks like the scenario:
Dez Bryant, Rolando McClain, Brandon Spikes, and Dan Williams are on Miami’s target board.
They really want a #1 WR for Henne. With that running game and the other nice WRs, they really are a #1 away from a good offense. If Bryant is there, they’ll take him, but Bryant has to be there.
Spikes or McClain is what Parcells wants. He wants a leader on the defense, if Bryant’s not there. Of course, if all those are gone then Williams looks to be the NT they’ll “settle for.”
If Williams makes it past Miami, everyone between Miami and Houston has other needs – a lot on DEs. So really, Miami may make the deciding move for us – whether is Williams, a FS, or, of course, a TE. We’re so thin at that position.
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about
Steelers.. to back up/replace Casey Hampton, who’s not getting any younger. And they could target Thomas too.. (if all the O-line prospect are gone :D)
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by zala on Jan 27, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FS Nate Allen
A lot of good things are being said about Nate Allen who could still be available for the Texans in the second round. However, that depends on who is still available at CB because if Kyle Wilson (or whoever else) is still there, he may be the choice.
I also agree that Dan Williams should be the choice in the first.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Jan 26, 2010 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the other thread,
I posted that Nate Allen would be my rnd 2 pick if available. The scouts are drooling over him, smart, quick, and a good hitter. (sounds like I am picking a lead off guy for the Ass-tros)
by Taco Joe on Jan 26, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A lead off hitter in the second round……I’ll take it.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Jan 27, 2010 1:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas can play the run
and he doesnt always go for the big hit hes a ballhawk and a play maker thats all we need right there.
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by Joe25 on Jan 27, 2010 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
according to...
I just dont feel like we need to use a first rounder on FS, Eugene Wilson is good enough, what I am looking for is a guy who can add depth to FS, for when Wilson goes down again. If we spend a 1st rnd on DB i say pick up a CB.. but I still think we go with a DT, or an OG, or even a TE!!!!! lol
by Taco Joe on Jan 27, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why was.....
Place kicker NOT a choice???
I’m just saying? I know, Sebastian Janikowskis don’t come along every year, but something needs to be done about the PK….
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by Southern Lion on Jan 26, 2010 4:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If a team picks a PK in the first round, they should be kicked out of the NFL and place in the Arena Football League. I don’t think a PK has ever been picked on the first day. Not sure about that though.
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by BigNate7 on Jan 26, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sebastian Janikowski...
Taken by THE RAIDERS in round 1.
More often than not, PKs are taken rounds 5-7.
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, BUT
Cmon, man. It’s the Raiders. It’s like picking on a baby because it can’t throw a football 50 yards.
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 26, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Raiders could totally kick our ass
In a track meet.
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by riversmccown on Jan 26, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew....
all of this when I made my comment. WE NEED A DECENT KICKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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by Southern Lion on Jan 26, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except Janikowski
Oh hell who am I kidding Janikowski would just spike the Texans gatorade with rufies.
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by nolander on Jan 26, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't....
saying we need to get Janikowski. He used to have off the field issues like a Cowboys WR from the 90s. I did know he’s the only PK ever taken in the first round, that’s all.
I just noticed that it wasn’t a poll choice and thought maybe it should be. Where ARE my pills?…..
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by Southern Lion on Jan 26, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Janikowski has them
But only take them if you are a fan of date rape.
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by nolander on Jan 26, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not rape at all
It’s just surprise sex.
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by riversmccown on Jan 30, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I think because it was first round
Obviously your not taking a kicker until
maybe the fifth
I think we have to many needs to draft a kicker. Free agency my friend
by AllenOU on Jan 26, 2010 4:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
See
my latest reply. Also, see the disclaimer from Kansas that goes on all my comments. I’m going to medicate myself now……
And yes, I realize how wide open a statement like that leaves me. This is, after all, BRB.
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by Southern Lion on Jan 26, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People who are voting RB in the 1st round...
Why and who?
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 4:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LenWhale
WE NEED A BIG BACK RAH RAH RAH
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by riversmccown on Jan 26, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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by nolander on Jan 26, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jermaine Gresham!
Because drafting a player from O(s)U(cks) with our first pick would drive MDC crazy.
by Jordann on Jan 26, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
Toby Gerhart?
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by Southern Lion on Jan 26, 2010 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we're just trying to be funny
Tebow would be more humorous.
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by riversmccown on Jan 26, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He could be James Casey 2.0!
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by nolander on Jan 26, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if we line him up at tight end
Which I’m all in favor of.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 26, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he can play HB and throw the ball just like Casey too!
He is versatile!
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by nolander on Jan 27, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys forgetting that the texans have the best run D in the league? (after week 3)
as much as i want a NT, we NEED a CB. kyle wilson is our guy. he is a freak athlete who is fast and is a bit like ed reed(basically a playmaker) at CB. earl thomas is too inconsistent in coverage sometimes. we solve our NT problem in the second round by drafting lamarr houston. this guy is super underrated. he lives in backfields by either causing havoc to the RB or getting after the QB. he can do it all.(plus he cant be doubled because super mario gets doubled most of the time. so think of houston and smith being 1on1 most plays. that would be sweet.) just think of a good push up front or making the RB or QB change directions and let our linebackers or super mario tackle the RB/QB. that is a good draft. we now have a playmaker CB, a great NT who can do it all, and that pretty much solves all of the pieces in the puzzle. yes, eugene wilson is getting old, but he is still just above average safety who plays really well with a pure above average safety in bernard pollard. glover quin is going to be solid i think. (unless he pulls a fred bennett next season). he will be a good 2 CB with frenchy being the nickel and mccain being the dime. that is solid. and in the rounds after we can address the O-line.
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
by Rockets 4 Life on Jan 26, 2010 8:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Questions for you
Do you have statistical proof that we were the best run D in the league after week 3?
Do you understand that we still failed to contain Chris Johnson and MJD despite our improvement in run defense?
Do you have proof that it was because of Shaun Cody as opposed to Bernard Pollard and Brian Cushing?
Do you have any idea of how bad Shaun Cody is?
Do you read anything that anyone else writes (because it has been stated that Lamarr Houston is an undersized UT-style of defensive tackle)?
Wouldn’t you rather have Mario one-on-one as opposed to the NT?
Do you realize that Kyle Wilson was a 3rd prospect a week ago? Great week sure, but pick #20 in the 1st round good based off of 2 Senior Bowl practices?
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
name a defense that contained MJD and johnson.
yes, it was because of cushing and pollard that our run D was good. it was #1 throughout the year after week 3. if it was #1 for 13 weeks without a good NT, then who cares. can we improve in the run D rankings? no because we were #1. can we improve our secondary rankings? yes. idc how small lamarr houston is, he played extremely well against an all american guard that bama had on him. they said MJD was too small. they said slaton was too small. MJD is a top 5 best RB in the league and slaton had 1300 yards last year. idc about size, i care about how well they play. another example in basketball terms. chuck hayes is 6’6 and is a top 5 best post defender in all of basketball. yes, he is extremely undersized at center, but he plays very good post D to make up for it.
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
by Rockets 4 Life on Jan 26, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ill actually take thomas or brian price in first round i guess.
but we HAVE to get arenas then. i was looking at your fanpost TexansDC and i guess i can live with getting thomas or price in first. but if arenas isnt there in the second round. i will get zima.
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
by Rockets 4 Life on Jan 26, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just ask questions to make people think...
Ultimately, I want the player who will best help the Texans. That’s coming down to CB vs NT it seems…
At pick 20, we basically have to look at how other teams will draft…therefore, we gotta be smart about the pick.
by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you look it up,
there were a lot of teams that were able to stop Chris Johnson and MJD. Teams like the Colts, Steelers, and the Jags (in one of their games) all held Johnson under 90 yards rushing and the Titans lost those games. MJD was stopped by the Cardinals, Seahawks, and the Titans and the Jags lost those games. The point I see in improving the run defense is that if we can stop our division rivals from running the ball, then our chances of winning increase greatly. Winning in our division would help since that is where we accumulate most of our losses right now (5 out of 7 losses were from divisional rivals). I don’t know how you can be satisfied with the run defense of last year, but it needs to be improved.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Jan 27, 2010 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Questions for you
Do you have any proof that Shaun Cody was that bad?
Do you have any proof that Cody didn’t help improve the run game?
Do you realize that Houston has a history of starting two interchangeable tackles rather than employing a “space eater”?
Do you have any evidence that anyone on the Texans staff has plans to do differently?
Do you realize that it this point it’s within reason for any player to move up or down the board by multiple rounds, sometimes several times over, as it’s all conjecture therefore guessing that one player will be a 1st round pick when others think he’s a 2nd or 3rd isn’t totally insane? Or that a giant fat guy could eat his way down to the 3rd round when he was mentioned by some as a possible top 15 pick during the season?
by Bryan72076 on Jan 26, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bryan...
Do you know that your picture creeps me out?
Anyway, I would rather have the space eater, bc I would rather have Mario one on one, (healthy next season). Plus it will open up Bad-ass Cushing and Meco the Maniac on blitzes and covering the gaps.
by Taco Joe on Jan 26, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with taking CB in the first
And it’s good to hear another voice of reason. I’m not sure about Kyle Wilson as I haven’t really seen any video of him so i’ve seen is talk and it’s hard to make my mind up one way or the other on word of mouth alone. Again i’d like to say that I only see CB being such a dire need if Robinson goes elsewhere. If he stays, as much as we all ragged on him, we can afford to take a chance on a CB a few rounds later and hope he exceeds expectations if value isn’t there at #20. If he goes though I don’t think we can really depend on Reeves and Quinn as our two starting corners which means we need to find at least someone to compete for a starting CB position in either free agency or the draft, and i’m not sure you can do that outside of the 1st round when you’re 20th in the pecking order. Also, picking a player at 20 isn’t really a reach if he for sure wouldn’t be available by the next time you pick. Their job is to identify players to help the team, if they have a player targetted for a need position but pick 10 selection ahead and behind him, unless they can work out a trade down or up, sometimes you just have to pick him a little early. It’s not as if players projected to be late first to early 2nd round picks aren’t considered “good” prospects, some of them even turn out to be better players than those selected early in the 1st. They need to decide what position needs to be filled most and what player is the best fit for the team and make the pick that’s best for the Texans, as long as they’re not picking players in one round that would still be available in the next, they’re not really reaching.
by Bryan72076 on Jan 26, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a dire need we can address in every other round.
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by nolander on Jan 26, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Bryan I enjoy your take, but I think that a good CB could come in later rounds, I say if Williams is left in the first round you have to take him, and if Nate Allen is available second you take him, swing an OG or CB in the 3rd round, somewhere down the line like 5-6 a K,
by Taco Joe on Jan 26, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only way i'd take a CB over Williams if he were available
Is if Robinson goes to another team and we can’t get a FA corner who can at least challenge for a starting job. If none of that happens i’d be fine with drafting a CB whenever or even not at all if the value just isn’t there for us at our picks. But if we need to find that guy in the draft.., I just have a sneaky feeling that despite their being quality CBs now through the first 3 rounds of projections, the first tiers of CBs will be gone before the 20th pick in the 2nd and we’d be “reaching” to pick one then as well. Then in the third, there will undoubtedly be better players available on the board than what CBs are left, as corner is a position that always goes fast and often as it’s one of the hardest positions on the field to fill.
To me regardless on my feeling of CB vs NT, or secondary vs NT, they have to identify who they feel are the best fit for the Texans (best player doesn’t always mean best fit), and trust in their own scouting instead of worrying about perceptions of not doing this or that. In the end it doesn’t really matter what positions get drafted when, if they draft a CB in the 7th and he surprises everyone and becomes yet another Texans DROY, will anyone care what round he was drafted in? My only problem as a fan, is I have my own opinions of what the Texans need and speculations about what they should or will do, so untill they make their picks and I undoubtedly have to concede to their experience and qualifications on at least a few points i’ll argue my point till the cows come home.
by Bryan72076 on Jan 27, 2010 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HERE HERE.
I enjoy the depth of your comments Bryan, I do agree on the fact that CBs disappear quick, and that the Texans need to find someone who fits the team. For the most part I enjoy that the Texans have normally brought guys onto the team that are “good” guys, you dont hear much about them in the news or because they tweeted this and that. (not including the Doonta fiasco, and Dallas PDs Harassment!)
by Taco Joe on Jan 27, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a joker in every crowd
I’m speaking of Mock Drafts. Jonathan Dwyer? C’mon!!!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jan 27, 2010 1:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Torell Troup
Looks like his stock is rising and might be worth a 3rd round pick. Right now he is 6’3" 310, but could probably put a decent amount of muscle on that frame.
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by nolander on Jan 27, 2010 1:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LanceZ
I think it was LanceZ, at least, twittered yesterday that Troup looked bad.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 27, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ineteresting
It sounded like he stood out at the East West game.
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by nolander on Jan 27, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whoops
Nope, I am wrong. Misread.
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 27, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Troup's the 3rd rated NT
A 3rd or 4th round pick. He’s followed by 2 NTs from East Carolina.
If the draft went…
1st – CB/Returner Kyle Wilson
2nd – FS Nate Allen
3rd – C J.D. Walton
4th – NT Torrell Troup
I don’t think I could complain…
by TexansDC on Jan 27, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Troup lasts to us in the 4th, but it is possible.
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by nolander on Jan 27, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
So are the people who voted actually watching Texans Games, we had a pretty good D the entire 2nd half of the season (actualy after pollard showed up). What is with all of the FS picks, we have Wilson and are thin behind that but nothing bad. But almost no one voted for C or OG which stood out to me when I watched the games. The lack of progress in the running game had nothing to do with the RB’s and everything to do with the Oline. SS and Foster can be a great combo. Just have to open up some holes.
The only places I could possible go First round on D side is CB if you know you are loosing Cunta, and NT but I think we saw that NT is not critical with our LB’s in run support. But would be nice for pushing the pocket on peyton.
You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB
by Texans-Brocos on Jan 27, 2010 3:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
C or OG generally go in the 2nd and third for one thing, Iuputa probably being the only exception this year. He might not be a bad pickup for us in the first, but I don’t see it happening.
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by nolander on Jan 27, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know not many get picked in the first round
and with a pick at 20th we should be able to get one of the if not the best O lineman out there. this seems like a great move from my prespective!
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by Texans-Brocos on Jan 28, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing, as mentioned around here somewhere, the coaches, for some reason, like our current starting OGs and C.
Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.
by BigNate7 on Jan 27, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one's ever said anything about Myers.
Unless I missed something, but if they liked Myers I’d shed some tears. Dude’s a professional little bitch.
by TexansDC on Jan 27, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing about Meyers
Which is why I’m assuming we are targeting someone in the 2nd or 3rd. You never know though, the coaches might fall in love with Iuputa, or Dennison might come in and slap Studdards nuts out of their mouth.
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by nolander on Jan 27, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no Center who's projected into round 1.
Only Florida’s Pouncey is a clear round 2 prospect.
Personally, I’m a fan of Baylor’s J.D. Walton who’s a round 3-4 prospect. I think he’s good value after we address the NT/CB/FS/whatever we get in those 1st 2-3 rounds thing.
by TexansDC on Jan 27, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the biggest comment in franchise history!
it’s gonna be hard (that’s what she said) but i’ll be satisfied (that’s what she said) if we grab a big fattie first. (that’s what he said. “he” being jordann.) and if you didn’t already know..
this is the biggest draft in franchise history.
"Oh, I recognize this boy. He been ducking me so far, but I’mma have his ACL on my wall one of these days." - Bernard "Pat Killa" Pollard
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by chrisd21 on Jan 28, 2010 7:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions 5 recs
Picks 1-7 are the biggest picks in franchise history. I can’t wait for the most important OTAs of franchise history and the most important 4th game in franchise history.
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by nolander on Jan 29, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4th game of preseason
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by nolander on Jan 29, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a big time comment from a big time mary jane lover.
I rec’d thee!
by Jordann on Jan 29, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonecrusher Pollard can play FS and SS at the same time, so no need to draft a safety
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
by WarWolf on Feb 4, 2010 10:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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