Post-Game Open Thread: Giants Big in Texas, Beat Houston 34-10
by TexansDC on Oct 10, 2010 3:09 PM CDT
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PrintIf you are a Texans fan then you have already suffered enough today, so the post-game writeup will be short and sweet. Unlike the game against Dallas, the New York Giants completely outplayed and out-schemed the Houston Texans in today's 34-10 beatdown.
The Texans love to attack the middle of the field, so what does New York do? They get their hands up and knock passes down at the line of scrimmage.
The Texans love to run towards the edges, so the Giant defensive ends and linebackers were there and ready to tackle.
The defense's always suspect holes (along the seams and deep) were all exploited. The pass rush? Non-existent.
There was the typical playcalling, penalties, and turnovers that could have been avoided, but if you want to beat the Houston Texans then watch this game tape. The New York Giants just gave everyone the perfect blueprint for dominating the Texans. You have to give credit to the New York defensive line and Hakeem Nicks for executing the blueprint.
Comments are yours if you want to vent, rage, whine, or whatever may cheer you up this fine Sunday afternoon.
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So!
Who’s up for some Rocket’s basketball tonight!
I am!
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post game thread?!?!?
more like POST MORTEM……
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by buckaroo_banzai on Oct 10, 2010 3:12 PM CDT reply actions
Nothing can cheer me up DC ....NOTHING!!!
by BleedBattleRed on Oct 10, 2010 3:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Not even Frank Bush getting fired?
That would cheer me up a little
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
if we were on the road maybe....
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Oct 10, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jesus have mercy on their souls!!!!!!!!!
This was plain rape!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone call the God Damn Police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rumplestiltskin
by jahunter221 on Oct 10, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Frank Bush MUST DIE!!!!
in the most vanilla way possible…just like his defensive gameplanning
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Oct 10, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
lol
I say put Bush and Kubiak’s heads on a pig pole. One at the north entrance, one at the south
Rumplestiltskin
He'll be force fed vanilla Hagen Daaz until his liver explodes, like foie gras.
How’s that?
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How about handcuffed & hanged by his ankles & drowned in a slowly melting vat of vanilla ice cream?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Too quick.
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Bush HAS TO GO.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Oct 10, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Further proof that the transitive property doesn't apply to the NFL
Texans stomp Colts, Colts stomp Giants, Giants stomp Texans
"Lord, beer me strength."
Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard Spock anyone for a game?
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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 10, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sooner or later,
one of us is going to have to choose something other than Spock.
"Bite off more than you can chew. Then chew it."
If Frank Bush is reading this thread
This link is for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitz_%28American_football%29
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by 5stringJeff on Oct 10, 2010 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Looking at our schedule
how many of the teams we face have great defenses? You can pretty much assume they will be losses if they can rush the passer. I’m looking at the Jets and Ravens for now. Chiefs are 2nd in the league in fewest points allowed, and the Titans and Chargers are right around the top 10.
Everyone else on our schedule though, we will probably beat.
by goingforthecorner on Oct 10, 2010 3:15 PM CDT reply actions
Well I know one thing for sure
there will be at least one shitty defense in every game we play this year…
by WhiskeyR on Oct 10, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry about the loss you guys.
We know how it feels, not that it makes it any less painful. In all honesty, even though the result was different for us against KC most of us are ready to pick up our pitchforks.
If at all possible, please feel free to completely demolish the Chiefs next week.
"I shall not fear. Fear is the Mind killer. Fear is the little death that leads to total obliteration. I will face my fear and let it pass through me. When the fear is gone, there shall be nothing. Only I shall remain."
-Frank Herbert "Dune" (1965)
LOL ! your team just rattled the hornets nest for us . . .
They’ll be out for revenge .. and we’ll be playing at home . . . we have a bad record at home ;-(
Congrats on y’alls win. Why the pitchforks? What did the Colts do to you?
by BattleRedFan on Oct 10, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It's hard to be mad or frustrated anymore
Whatever happens week to week we’ve seen before. I pretty much watched the whole game with a blank stare.
by Stevie Wonder on Oct 10, 2010 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
too true!!!
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Oct 10, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen
I’m normally pretty animated throughout the game, but it wasn’t long until I was just sitting in silence, sulking. I figured that if they weren’t excited and ready to play, why should I waste my energy? I guess they just figured they’d take the month of October off.
Baddy Birdies
These devil worshiping bastards called the Houston Texans Made a deal with satan, and now it’s coming back to steal their souls……………..I rest my TTTTHHHHRRROOOAAAATTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reverend Pimp Daddy
Okay so we lost
We’ve been beaten up and screwed sideways… As a Texans fan – a true Texans fan – you should be pleanty hardened by now. This is pretty much par for the course. Does it feel good? Fuck no. But it is pretty familiar… Rosencopter anyone? Fucking VY running it in for an OT FU…? Same ol shit. Early on, we had a D but no offense. Now we have a capable offense, but our defense is garbage. Our piss poor secondary is going to make for a long season. What can you do but swill the brew and tell the Dallas fans in your office to eat a dick. Our day is coming… just not this season.
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World ends in 2012....hello?!?
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Oct 10, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Chances are the Texans will be heading to their first playoff apperance...
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Probably.
Texans headed to their first pla…..SUN EXPLODES!
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Oct 10, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
No it doesn't
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Three close wins and 2 blowout losses so far.
That’s what we’ve done.
Texans fan.
Style points don't matter
These boys better come out pissed off next week.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Are we still paying homage to Durga?
Man, something never change.
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Do the Texans play the "Cover Who?" Defense?
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Oct 10, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
draft
I just hate having to pick for freaking need every year because we screw up the previous. This will probably be the case with Kareem jackson
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Kareem's playing as well, if not better, than the other 1st round corners
People need to have some patience. Blame the front office for not investing in the group earlier.
"Lord, beer me strength."
...........
Next years CB class does’nt look to good. Now I would’nt mind having UCLA FS Rahim Moore in the 2nd round
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Next year's CB class looks better....
There’s 4 or 5 CBs who could go in the 1st.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I want
Robert Sands from WV.
6-5 hammer of death at safety, gets picks too.
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I have to agree with you here,
I didn’t see a whole lot of just outright suckage. He did get juked a couple of times, but that is coachable. I also so several plays that he couldn’t have done anything better, it was going to be a completion no matter who was covering the receiver.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Unrealistic expectations.
People expected Kareem to come in and be the savior of the secondary, and really the only thing they have to compare him to is Dunta Robinson. Dunta’s rookie year was a complete anomaly; I’d imagine the majority of rookie CBs struggle just as much as, if not more than, Jackson is right now.
Especially if they’re playing in such a cushiony-soft scheme.
GET A SILK BAG FROM THE GRAVEYARD DUCK TO LIVE LONGER.
Touchdown Titans
Cowboys losing 7-0 already. I would rather see the Cowboys lose than to see them win.
I had basically the entire Texans game to decide who I would root for between Dal and Tenn haha.
Im in the same boat...
It would make for an eaiser day at work on Tuesday if the Cowboys get their asses kicked… that’s for sure.
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And somebody
has to rep the AFC South today against the NFC East. The Giants already kicked our ass lol
Me too.
I recently decided that the Cowboys must die today.
Its illogical, but it would make me hurt a little less.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
What was up with the punt by the Texans with 10:00 in the 4th
I mean, at least make it look like you’re trying to win.
It's Gary Kubiak.
He’s one of the most conservative coaches in the NFL.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Step Back
We are the youngest team in the NFL. With every game, we get better. We will be a much better team by the end of the season. This team is therefore positioned nicely for the future because of this and on top of that a playoff run that’s more likely with getting better as the season progresses. The downside to this attribute is days like today. YET we’re still 1st in our division. Plenty of great teams are 3-2. Our defense’s schemes border on a human rights violation—against ourselves, of course. That can be fixed: after all, they are schemes and not pre-determined. Bush has shown a capacity to better a defense and change things up, for example the second half of many games last year and also as 2009 moved along in general. And there is always the possibility of a spectacular defensive acquisition/trade or even a new defensive coordinator that would be undoubtedly superior… We are very talented all around. Games like this, I am fully convinced, will become less and less likely over the next three to four season that I expect will be one of the best runs in Houston sports history. Over those next few years, remember today as to take nothing for granted and appreciate it all. I’ve watched every Texans game and am fully aware we don’t need anything else to understand appreciation. This team has a lot of growing to do, and we really close to that. I know it seems we’ve been close forever, but it is only now that the talent is all there. We were good enough the last two years to get to the playoffs and make some noise, and today we are good enough to win it all if we play smart.
PS-I wish this blog didn’t crucify Dunta R; the depth he would have gave us would have won a game or two. Why doesn’t anyone talk about how he’s doing in Atlanta? Or a hypothetical as to how he’d be doing now here? For that rejection, the Houston fan-base and media played their part in the atrocities are defense has committed this season.
by Hohenzollern on Oct 10, 2010 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How's Dunta doing in Atlanta?
The same as he did here. Dude’s not worth the money. He’s not even worth half of the money.
"Lord, beer me strength."
The Houston fanbase played a part in pushing Dunta out the door?
Hell, if we had any actual say, Frank Bush would’ve been fired after Chris Johnson was left uncovered on the sideline.
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
This team needs more than Dunta
They need corners that can read and react and safeties who aren’t playing with cinder block shoes… The defense is in serious need of an overhaul… They are charmin right now. They’ve allowed teams to have their way and that isn’t changing any time soon. I don’t care how “jacked” up Cushing is… they still need an interieror pass rush. Okoye is a bust… not a bad player, but not a 10 over all pick. Without being able to collapse the pocket… QBs are going to eat us alive. Nothing new… Been that way since we switched to the 4-3.
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Dunta would've won a game or two for us?
No. Just no.
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Well, if think the Dunta one is a fair question and I hope someone answers it in full. Quick glances through Atlanta stuff hasn't resulted in any hate as you'd expect from this blog
Well, I had to say something optimistic… Our biggest problem is we don’t have much of an identity—inconsistency, week-to-week, in every facet of the game. I don’t think Kubiak has any signature themes that consistently work on offense and forget about the defense. Usually, what works has more to do with our talent making plays more than any scheme. Can someone here compile that stats to compare Houston’s D to other teams in order to see if we blitz more comp this season? More to the point. on 3rd Down? I sure wish we blitzed on a few of those 3rd downs…
Regardless of whatever anyone says, this team hasn’t had a defining game yet in my opinion. What do I mean? A defining game will be one against a good team when our passing, running, rush and pass defense, and special teams all show up. I can’t remember such a game, and I expect one to manifest soon. My optimism will be absolutely falsified if we lose another game by more than ten in the next two months. I think we’ll get it together
by Hohenzollern on Oct 10, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Just saw your reply
Sorry. My bad.
Kerns has been watching the Falcons, and I have when I’ve gotten the chance. Dunta is still just as bad as he was last year. Some of them are already as pissed as we were last year.
The problems are deeper than a defining game. The scheme sucks. Period. We are built solely to stop the Colts, and we pay the price against other teams. And say what you will about stopping Peighton the first game, but he basically showed the entire league how to beat us. McNabb, Eli, even Gradowski, have beat us silly.
The offense is a different problem altogether.
I’m only upset about the offense. I expected this from the defense, and I’m not surprised in the least. Jackson may be worse than Dunta at this point in their careers, but I’d far rather have Jackson. The whole BEST DEFENSE EVAR! thing was a joke from the start, but a lot of people bought into it. We still suck. Badly.
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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 10, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't recall
Dunta being nearly this bad in his rookie season though.
I'm the best there is at what I do.
We weren't looking for playoff-caliber performances in 2004....
Everyone was gung-ho about having a team.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Love
Your name. Now we just need Hapsburgs and a few Hohenstaufens.
I'd be good with German history for the week!
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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 11, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Has everyone come back to reality now?
Those 31-10 or 35-17 predictions favoring us were ridiculous.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
Hey guys
I just want to say it’s been a great week talking with you guys. I want to wish you guys all good luck in the future, and BEAT THE EAGLES!
and what is this from:
“Do a lot of the people die because of the Giants?”?
“Oh, absolutely. Historically, the Giants are right up there with Germans. They wiped out the Romanovs, they decimated our fleet at Pearl Harbor, and of course, Fidel Castro impersonated Marilyn Monroe and snuck up to President Kennedy with a pack of Giants so severe that eventually it blew the back of his head off.”
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Thanks
Good luck to you and yours as well. Keep kicking Cowboy butt.
That quote is from Strangers With Candy. Just replace “Giants” and various articles with “syphilis”
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks!
Good luck to y’all. If today showed me anything, it’s that the Giants know how to game plan and we don’t. Fantastic job by the Giants preparing for us.
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Yea Man
When bo$$man comes back after picking the toes out of his teeth send him over to Blogging the Boys, they can always use another pompous twit.
Young team with a good running game and a decent front 7, there’s potential, and good games to watch.
Conan!, What is good in Football?!
Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.
by The Pale Scot on Oct 10, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ima gonna say it now
We will not dominate anyone. Every team will score 30 against us. Theres like at least 3 more losses like this comin our way. Just get ready to get F’d in the A on sundays ( that monday and thursday game too)
You are such a good friend that if you and me were the last two people trapped on a sinking boat with only 1 life vest left, i would remember and pray for you every day.
I agree.
I had the Texans going 8-8 this year, missing the playoffs of course. The schedue is too tough for even 9 wins. Sure, we beat the Colts here and the Redskins on the road, but that was because our offense had great games. It’s pretty simple: If we don’t score at least 30 points per game, we are going to lose.
I think we should git rid of both Kubes and Bush at the end of the season and try to bring in a defensive minded coach like Leslie Frazier of Minnesota or perhaps Bill Cowher(If he’s willing to take the job).
We need to draft DBs with our first two picks next year. First round we need to grab a FS, and then in the second we need to grab a CB. It’s clear that Quin cannot handle the outside, and McCain is worse. That way we have two talented CBs on the outside and a stud(hopefully) FS.
Unfortunately, the NFL Draft will be our highlight of the season, again. The lockout may or may not happen, but the 18 game schedule would help get a new CBA done.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if I should start the 'Fire Bush' chant, but I'm tempted to.
Even if our secondary is extremely young, the scheme is not working. It has never worked. From what I understand is that we have these paticular group of DBs because they ‘fit’ the cover 2 scheme. I’m still waiting for it to work. It didn’t work last year, and it’s worse this year. Maybe we should play a 3-3-5(Just spitballin’). Any change would be better, except a man-to-man scheme. What do people here think?
Give Frank and the secondary more time to develop?
Or
Abandon the cover 2 scheme and try something else(which means fire Frank Bush pretty much).
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
Yeah, I had that overwhelming sense of depression come over me watching this game
Only thing that will make me feel better is if I hear Frank Bush has been fired sometime today or this week
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's going to get fired,
it’s going to be in the off-season. But, now is the perfect time to fire him. We have our bye week next weekend, so the new D cooridinator will have an extra week to prep.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I say fire him now, get the new guy's feet wet against KC, then let him get the defense on the same page for Indy during the bye week
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Our bye week is in two weeks?
Woops. My thinking now is that the KC game will be the deciding factor on whether or not Bush stays. If the defense sucks against KC, I think there is going to be a lot of speculation on Bush possibly being fired. If they play well against the KC offense, then he will keep his job, but when Peyton throws for 600 yards after the bye week Bush will be unemployed.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I say now so we can get the new DC's input on who we might want to attempt a trade for before the deadline
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If Texans played like they did today, they will get blown out!
Fire Kubiak and his whole coaching staff today for all I care!!!
I'd rather have the Titans lose.
I hate the Cowboys, but I also hate the Titans, and they are in our division, so it’s better if the Cowgirls win.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
true..
but it sure would be fun to ask those pompous cowboy fans at work “how’s that 1-3 record feel?”
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Oct 10, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
how about 1-2-1? I could deal with that
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Where was the running game?!?
Yes, I know that it wasn’t working the few times they tried, but what the fuck?!?!
By the time they started calling running plays, it was too late.
WHY THE FUCK WASN’T THERE A RUNNING LAY CALLED IN THEFIRST POSSESSION?!?!
We happened the have the top runner in the NFL, and allowed the Giants to nullify that completely.
Complete and utter bullshit.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
Which game was worse – this or the Cowboys ?
On the other side – the wins vs Indy and Washington
Texans are really Jekyl and Hyde so far in 2010
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
The Cowboys game was worse
Dallas was winnable for us. The Texans just sucked. That was a game we should’ve won.
Here? The Giants outprepared the Texans and executed to a T. The coaching staff failed to make adjustments.
"Lord, beer me strength."
At times it seemed like the Giants defense knew exactly what we were doing
Did the Giants’ D-Coordinator go to the Bill Belichek Film School?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
+1000
I was thinking the same thing after the game. Watch enough game tapes and one knows what we’re going to run as soon as we get set….and there is absolutely no check out play, nothing….we are stuck with the play that was called in. Our offense has to absolutely dominate to win and I think/feel it is only going to get worse. The teams we are playing from here on out now have a season and a half of film to watch and it is always the same plays.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Can we trade AJ for Scrabble?
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
One for one? No, I'd want to include Tyvon Branch for Eugene Wilson in the deal as well
I think Branch could do well at free safety, but very little chance we’d give up our best player for anyone
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Banch is a SS...
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
But he has the skills to play either one, & he's better than Huff
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess anyone is an upgrade over Wilson.
Nolan needs to improve though.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention more cost effective for this season
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Fire Bush
No, not Fire Croth, Fire Frank Bush.
That’s all. I may comment once again in a few days/weeks.
bye
You people are absurd.
Fire frank Bush? Dick LeBeau wouldn’t have made a fucking difference in this game. Bitch about the defense all you want, but they forced two turnovers and gave the offense the ball at midfield or better several times.
How’d the offense respond? Turnovers and three-and-outs. Complete and utter shit. No running game, and one of the worst games of Schaub’s career.
Yes. If the offense can’t move the chains and keep a drive going for more than 30 seconds, the opposing team will score points. Shocking. How to solve that? How’s about not going completely flat on offense for the entire game. Schaub has played two good quarters so far this season. Still waiting for this passing offense to wake up. Any day now, please.
by Nashmeister on Oct 10, 2010 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Lebeau Would have made a difference
His schemes aren’t vanilla, hell he invented the Zone Blitz. can’t get much more neapolitan than that
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Bush ran some zone and LB blitzes though
The blitzes didn’t get there in the 1st half. When you blitz and miss…you get torched.
Second half? Saw more pressure, led to more mistakes, but it was too late.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Again.
What the fuck does it matter if the offense goes three-and-out every single time?
The other team not scoring keeps your team in the game
not to mention it gives your offense better field position
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It goes both ways, chief.
If our offense produces more than one weak scoring drive going in the first half, it limits the time the Giants’ offense is on the field.
Yet it's the defense's job to get the other offense off the field
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Four punts and two turnovers.
That counts as “getting the other offense off the field”.
Now, what happened when the other offense was off the field?
Yet most of those were too little, too late
The Giants defense had the perfect gameplan against us, & got pressure up front. They did their job, our defense didn’t
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
...
The offense opens the game with punt, three-and-out, interception, punt, field goal, three-and-out.
What did you expect from the defense, exactly?
Bare minimum, not run the same damn Cover 2 over & over when teams keep burning them on it
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So, you expected to win that game 10-7?
I don’t really get what you’re arguing for.
My point was that the offense was so terribly shitty in that game that no defense would have won that game for us.
Because the Giants defense had a great gameplan
Hell, I’d be ecstatic if the Texans only gave up 10 points in loss. That means there was an extreme improvement in the defense
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Another thing
to consider though is with the offense sucking so bad, the defense had to be on the field a lot without much time to rest and the more tired they are the worse they will play regardless of the scheme.
I'm the best there is at what I do.
Its a chicken before the egg thing
The offense didn’t help, but the deffense dug the whole that allowed the Giants to tee off on our line and Schuab, so by the time the defense got their shit together the offense was in a really bad situation, leading to the defense getting tired and finally succumbing. In my opinion at least
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The offense didn't do jack early
And Schaub threw the INT.
It was 21-0 in the 1st quarter…..and the Texans had no drive longer than 4 plays. The offense didn’t let the defense make any adjustments with their short drives.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Which is all well and good
but come on, you still can’t let them drive for 3 tds. Well 2 tds I guess and one off the pick? The defense still didn’t do anything. The offense can take some of that blame, but I’m not letting the deffense of the hook for it. I think they showed at the beginning of the 2nd half what they can be though.
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The 85-yard drive was rough.
Fairly flukish as well. Cushing smacked Eli and forced a horrible floater up in the air. 80% of the time, that’s a pick. That time? They lucked out and got ahold of it.
On the next two, their drives starting at our 45 yard-line, and their 40 yard-line. When you only have to drive half the field, you aught to score. Unfortunately, our offense didn’t get the memo on that one. When they were in that position, they punted three times and kicked a field-goal.
by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
At least once the defense should be able to make them kick a field goal.
I don’t think thats asking too much.
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The defense cannot rest as long.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
We have one of the worst defenses in the league.
Stop defending Bush. His cover 2 scheme is miserable.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Our DBs are miserable.
As is our offense when they’re facing any defense that isn’t awful.
Then we need a better DC to coach them up
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Your logic is totally correct.
A secondary with nothing but first or second year players should be performing at a much higher level.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Right.
So it’s Frank Bush’s fault then that Rick Smith handed him an atrocious secondary.
Grrrrr! Why can’t he turn shit into gold?
Frank Bush does not blitz, ever.
If he does, it never works. LeBeau’s zone blitzes actually work. Stop defending Bush. His play calling on defense is atrocious.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys are both right
There was plenty of suck out there to go around.
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There could have been plenty more.
Eli didn’t throw for 300 yards. That’s an imrpvovement. Rejoice!
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Bush's fault
for running a scheme that exposes the weaknesses of the defense and negates the strengths. This secondary has talent, but they are not the kind of secondary that needs to be running a soft cover-2. Bush insists on running a soft cover-2. QED
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But DBs aren't improving under him either
Even Dom Capers got something out of Dunta Robinson. Guys like Bennett & Molden never improved at all
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinda funny how Bennett had stuch a stellar rookie year.
Maybe the coaching personnel messed him up during that following off-season.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Bennett regressed between 2007 and 2008.
Both were Richard Smith years.
Molden never made it onto the field under any coordinator, and Dunta regressed when he had a horrific leg injury.
I guess everyone on this blog is absurd.
You are the one and only person with a brain here.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree and wrecked.
It was a pretty decent defensive performance all things considered. I’ll take two turnovers….if we could turn them into something besides a punt.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Good game fellas.
It was a pleasure chatting with you all this week, I hope we can sweep the Cowboys for you again this season. I’ll be cheering for you guys to play solid football, and win the division this year as you guys were easily the most enjoyable SBNation site I’ve dealt with in the last two years.
It’s still very early, and you’re going to be tied for first at worst after this week, keep your heads high and whoop the Chiefs asses next week.
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 10, 2010 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Thanks, tito!
Good luck to y’all.
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Also.
Jason Babin has more sacks than Mario Williams.
I'm just kidding
That comment just kind of blew my mind.
by killtacular on Oct 10, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I missed both interceptions.
Can you guys explain the routes the WRs were running when Jackson and McManis picked Eli off?
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Anyone?
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
McManis
Jumped underneath a crossing route as Eli rolled out and threw softly to ____ about six yards up field.
Jackson made a leaping catch of an poorly thrown ball along the sideline.
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Thanks.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
McManis' pick was impressive....
from the fact that he showed good timing on the play.
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Out of pure, irrational bitterness.
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Rooting against Patrick Willis?
BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!!
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Oops, SF Giants.....where was my head at?
Oh yeah, too pissed off at Frank Bush to think straight
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I've got something that'll cheer everybody up!
In one of my fantasy leagues, I’m playing against somebody who hasn’t touched their lineup since the first week and is playing to bye week players. And they’re wiping the floor with me. Yay?
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i'll do you one better.
In my fantasy league… the kicker Josh Scobee has the highest points right now.
Me too.
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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 10, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
i know alota ppl think kube walks on water but
hes better suited as O Coord, we need a coughlin-gruden type coach.. i remember one moment during the game they showed coughlin on the sideline screaming and seething at the teeth.. then when they pan over to kube he looked like he lost his dog.. and the team played the same way.. we have all the personnel and talent in the world (except CB) but the teams a reflection of the coach.. kubes im sorry but youre not the guy to take us there
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by HB23 on Oct 10, 2010 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Herm Edwards, maybe?
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I am SO fed up...
I gave up being a lifelong Dallas Cowboys fan to become a Houston Texans fan when we won the franchise rights in 98 and this is how I have been rewarded for that switch. The Houston Texans are the Rice Owls of the NFL. Let me explain. When you matriculate, graduate, and then follow the Owls as an alum, you become accustomed to the sensation of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Wins are never assured with your team sure to allow the opponents to return and stab you in the heart. Streaks are a laugh and going into a game as the favorite is as sure a way to defeat as if the team had taken the train to McAllen on game day. They are never to be trusted…
I went to today’s game against the Giants and I cannot recall being more disgusted at a performance as a fan. The team simply did not show up. I am sick and tired of this kind of on-field shenanigans! No runs in the first series with the league’s leading rusher, batted passes, blown coverages in the end zone…I have seen all this before. It has been 8 straight years of this shit and it has to stop. This team has no soul and no spirit at all and it starts at the top. Kubiak is responsible for this complete and utter lack of performance, of will, of fortitude and he must go for it to change. I do not believe that he has the strength of character to forge this team’s identity into that of a winner and that is what is missing. it is time to correct the ills of ownership in this respect. Get someone in here who gives a shit about losing as much as he gives a shit about winning. WHAT THE FUCK WERE WE DOING PUNTING DOWN 2+ SCORES IN GIANTS TERRITORY????!!!!! SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME!
It is no surprise that there were 20,000+ Cowboys fans in Reliant for the Dallas game with this kind of performance being a routine occurrence. People are SICK AND DAMNED TIRED of this SHITE. If you cannot promote a winning attitude in the team’s formative years, the team’s following will be ephemeral as best. There is nothing to hang onto with this team – no sense of being a spiritual guidepost for the fans in a tough town. Eight years of laying down like the cell block bitch in games that matter – the latest “most important game in franchise history.”
I am not a season ticket holder, but a guy with a wife and kids and the flexibility to see one or two home games a year. It is time for a real change in this franchise and Kubiak has to go.
NOTE: I have been drinking before, during, and after the game and I am having a tough time writing, much less talking. Now I have to go separate my kids who are fighting over xBox Lego Star Wars…
by NavyA-6Pilot on Oct 10, 2010 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd.
For the last two sentences.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
3-2
Still have a winning record. Lets not jump of the cliff yet ya maroons. I actually saw a ray of light in the 2nd half with the defense, if the offense could have gotten them any rest they might have played a full good half. I like to think part of that was cushing knocking the rust out. Chill out, prep for next week. 3-2, 3-2, 3-2, 3-2, 3-2. Hell if we go 3-2 2 more times and then win the last game of the season thats 10 wins. chillax.
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Can I just say I love the fact
that you tag Robert Heinlein? Starship Troopers was one of the greatest socio- political treatises in American literature and they let the guy who made Showgirls do the movie. A total travesty.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 10, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
look at the way we lost and not the record
that optimistic outlook is whats wrong with too many ppl view
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Let's look at how we won and not the record
Every week…if we win, we’re Super Bowl bound. Loss? End of the freakin’ world. Yes, I know it’s like that at every SBN blog, but still…..we’re 3-2, so if people wanna be optimistic than let them.
"Lord, beer me strength."
People forget how poorly we started the last couple years
to come back to 8-8. This defense is probably going to get better as Cushing gets back in the flow and Jackson and Nolan get more experience. We have some kinks to work out on offense, but we have a better record now then we have the last few years. We where just as freaked out about the run defense last year as we are the pass defense this year. THOSE WHO FORGET THE PAST BLAH BLAH BLAH.
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Oh btw
Tits are blowing it. AGAIN.
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After composing my thoughts....
I’m with Nashmeister. The offense is to blame for today’s loss.
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by TexansDC on Oct 10, 2010 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yet the defense got picked apart again
So we’re not blaming them cause we expect that? Sorry, the Giants had a good gameplan on defense, and Eli & Hicks picked our secondary apart. I put the blame on our defense & their defense
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The defense gets some blame
but the offense put them in bad position in that 1st quarter
"Lord, beer me strength."
I understand what yer gettin' at now.
The offense was disappointing today, but still, the defense was piss poor.
Blame %:
Offense- 40%
Defense- 60%
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is
Still you can’t go giving up 3 tds. Once we went down our offense can’t stop their pass rush when they know we have to throw. They are too talented on that D line for us to be in that situation against them.
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this^
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You can scheme against a pass rush
Draws, screens, runs up the gut…….quick slants (or, since the Giants knew we liked throwing to the middle of the field…..an out route to the TE).
The offensive gameplan was terrible.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Dennison is no shannahan
I’ll give you that.
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The fact that we don't throw screens....
Makes me hate Rick Dennison more and more.
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RIGHT?
Its driving me nuts. If you aren’t going to use slaton on screens and dump offs, fucking cut him already. Its pissing me the fuck off.
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Our linemen love to move.....are great on the move....
and we were so good at it. It would’ve done wonders in this game…..a few screens to slow up the pass rush.
"Lord, beer me strength."
You didn't see that TE Screen to OD at the beginning of the game?
But not using Slaton in the passing game is just stupid
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
And after that?
The problem is that that worked so well, and then we threw all of two other screens in the game.
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Yeah, I agree with that
We need to use more screens, no matter who’s the target, and we need to get Slaton involved in the passing game
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I need some football edumication....
what exactly is a screen play? Most of the other plays I can figure out or guess once I see a game, but can’t for the life of me figure out what a screen play is.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Basically...
The general idea of a conventional screen is to lure the defense into thinking long pass then dump it off short to a player (usually one of your best open field runners) with blockers in front of him. A lot of times this entails the offensive line showing pass block for a second or two before a few of them pull off toward one sideline in front of a player, usually an RB. A few pass rushers will get what looks like a free run at the QB, but he dumps it off to the RB behind two or three blockers and lets him work his magic. It’s sort of like a scripted check down pass.
There are several different types of screens but the general idea is the same for all of them; get the ball quickly to a player with blockers in front of him and see if he can rack up some yards.
Of course, just ignore this post if you were being facetious. >_>
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I'm glad txknight asked b/c I didn't understand at all
but how is that screen that you describe different from the “slants” y’all were saying that Manning was throwing against us in game one?
by BattleRedFan on Oct 12, 2010 5:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Re: Slants
The screen I described is usually a pass completed at or behind the line of scrimmage.
A slant is just a basic quick route designed to get the ball out of the QB’s hands quickly. A receiver takes a few steps off the line of scrimmage then breaks toward the middle of the field at an angle, generally aiming to get in the soft spot between the defensive line and the linebackers. Normally the pass is completed no more than 5-7 yards down field, and it’s murder to the typical soft cover 2 that Bush likes to run.
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Also, because the pass to caught BEHIND the line of scrimmage
the offensive line is free to go down-field BEFORE the pass.
Normally on a pass, the O-Line must stay behind the L.O.S. until the pass is thrown. On a Screen pass, that rule does not apply, so the O-Line can release the D-line and knock over the Linebackers, releasing the RB to run into the secondary.
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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 12, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope....
not being facetious at all. Thanks for the explanation….makes much more sense now…..especially why people say Slaton would/was good for this. I can see how for this a fast, shifty back works much better than a head down power runner.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
And yet...
Our passing offense couldn’t do dick even when the game was well within reach. That Schaub pick had nothing to do with pass rush. It was simply an awful decision.
I remain very concerned with Schaub. Last year’s success guarantees nothing this year.
by Nashmeister on Oct 10, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The difference is that a good defense can protect a bad offense by keeping the game close. Im in total agreement to fire Frank Bush, but I would also like to add Ray Rhodes to the firing list.
I agree with that
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
And a good offense (as people around here claim that we have)...
Protects a defense by sustaining drives and not immediately giving the ball back to the opposing offense every single time.
true
And thats why we won against Oakland and Indy. The defense has been bad all year so if the offense has a bad game we’re fucked.
The defense was fine against Indy.
The offense was shit in the first half and the defense kept it within reach. The defense was also fine against Oakland until they went into prevent.
They had a rough half against Washington, and you’re welcome to credit the offense with that win. But in both losses so far, the offense has been every bit as bad as the defense, if not worse.
Last I checked, giving up 400+ yards passing ain't fine defense
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Manning dropped back 59 times.
I’ll take 7.5 YPA from Manning any day paired with pretty much nothing on the ground.
Dallas and New York were bad. But as I said, so the offense was equally awful in both games.
You do realize that means he's moving the chains on average every 2 throws, right?
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You do realize that's not how it works, right?
As he dropped back 59 times, and they converted 20 first downs through the air (4/12 on first down, as well).
But again, that's still not good defense
Not to mention he just gave every other team the film on how to carve up our secondary
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
For perspective.
YPA can’t be taken at face value like that since it interacts with so many other variables.
Peyton’s career YPA is 7.7, so technically he was below his career average.
The NFL’s average YPA this season (just by glancing at the stats and doing no math whatsoever) appears to be around 7.0. So on average every QB in the league is moving the chains every two throws. That’s not abnormal. In fact, Trent Edwards, Todd Collins, Brad Smith and Tyler Thigpen are the only four players that have attempted a pass this season to have a YPA below 5.0.
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thats what makes
the defense look even worse. I agree the Indy game and the Oakland game looked worse then it really was statistically cuz of the prevent but even in prevent they can do a much better job. I dont see good teams that go into prevent giving up another 200+ yards.
Why does the offense get a pass?
Again, unless you expected the defense to pitch a shut-out, we were going to lose that game.
The defense was bad today. They were also on the field the entire game because the offense sustained one drive over the course of the entire game. As mentioned earlier, they forced two turnovers and four punts. The offense had the ball at roughly midfield several times. What’s they’re excuse?
I didn't say the offense gets a pass, I just said the Giants defense was that good & had a near perfect gameplan
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
However it was on Frank Bush for letting that game get out of hand
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
They played a good defense.
NYG has one of the more talented defenses in the league when they play to their expectations, which they did today.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
There is not a single player on the team who should be held blameless for this debacle.
The defense was awful, the offense were awful, special teams couldn’t go two snaps without getting a penalty called on themselves.
I guess Neil Rackers and Owen Daniels showed up. That’s all. There is no point in trying to find a main culprit; all three units were equally embarrassing and our coaching staff still might have had a worse game than either of them.
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by riversmccown on Oct 11, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
OK we lost
let just hope we bounce back next week and go into our bye 4-2 and rest Andre for the Colts
living the Texas dream
I have a question
why does it seem like all these crappy teams get their shit together just in time to face us?
The Giants and the Cowgirls aren't crappy teams,
they just underperform against other teams, not us.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Also...
Both non-conference losses.
Things need to be fixed obviously, but those are two of the least important games of the season. KC will be important. Indy will be slightly important (although it’s a road game…). Most importantly though, they’ve gotta win at least 2/4 from Jax and Tennessee. 3/4 would guarantee playoffs, imo.
The schedule is looking harder and harder though
especially in conference, Jets, Chargers, Ravens plus our division…..Im getting less enthusiastic about our chances
plus
We are the only team in our division to lose to the Giants so that may come back to hurt us
That would be one hell of a complex tie-breaker.
If they TCOB within the division and the conference, it’ll be irrelevant in the end.
It just doesnt look good
I dont see us beating SD, the Jets or Baltimore unless there is a fundamental change in defensive philosophy
Which would require either Bush being fired or receiving a brain transplant
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yawn.
How are we planning to beat Baltimore or New York with this offense? The best two defenses they’ve played so far (Dallas and NYG) are mediocre, and they’ve struggled immensely. Not sure how they plan to handle two tough 3-4 defenses.
The offense doesn't gameplan.....
However, the Jets can be eaten up by a TE…..and 3 and 4 WR sets.
The Ravens? Well…..yeah, I never thought we stood a chance there.
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I think both of those games
will go like this game did.
Well I mean theyve been playing crappy, Dallas looked awful till they got to us, Washington looked awful til we played them and now New York.
wha?
Washington was 1-0. The Giants DESTROYED the Bears last week. You are talking out of your ass.
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Dallas beat themselves against
Washington, the Redskins had no business winning that game and looked atrocious on offense. The Giants had looked awful this year until the Bears game. They both got their shit together right before facing us.
The Redskins are 3-2
And they knew our schemes inside and out. That’s how Washington looked so good.
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Then what where you even trying to say with your commetn?
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That we never seem to get teams
off games. Like when a pitcher doesnt have his plus stuff and a team can take advantage. We always seem to get a teams best effort.
If we go 4-2 is everyone going to jump back on the bandwagon?
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We will be happier
but itll be a timid nervous happy if we see the same problems. Winning can sometimes mask some bad things.
so what?
If we are winning we are winning.
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Winning is great but
if you are making some bad mistakes, they are going to be exploited by your upcoming oppents.
heh
I’m not leaving. I still think this D can get better, on the strength of our pass rush. Its not going to be consistent or pretty though.
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I would never say I was on the bandwagon
But some evidence that the Texans won’t consistently “play” the way they did today will be reassuring.
They aren't a consistent team
but they do have a lot of talent and can still win games. We can still beat the tits and jags, and have shown we have the tools to take on the Colts.
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I had us 4-1 after this one
But, so far, I’d say we’re close to meeting my expectations. They’re not being met on the offensive side, though. I think we’re far better than this, and the playcalling and execution have been horrid. Who saw Winston regressing this badly?
Defensively, this is about where I thought we’d be.
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I mean I know the game is ugly
I just don’t get all the doomsday talk. We are 3-2, the world hasn’t ended. The more the Colts play the more I think we can beat them a 2nd time, and similar with the Jags and Tits. I’ve said a billionty time I think we go 3-2 over this 5 games stretch, and I can still se it happening.
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The talk is from people
that can look past the record and see the play on the field. We cant keep playing this and expect to make the playoffs. How often do you see really good teams blown out at home in back to back home games?
This.
Is there another team in the league with a winning record and such a brutally negative point differential?
We lucked out to go 3-1 in the first four, two of which came on the road. But if we’re pissing away games at home like that, it ain’t gonna hold up.
Arizona's worse.
The difference is no one has delusions about them being a good team.
GET A SILK BAG FROM THE GRAVEYARD DUCK TO LIVE LONGER.
Problem is that division is still winnable for them
I wish we were in the NFC West
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea.
I should have written a disclaimer for NFC west teams. We don’t have that luxury, obviously.
More bubble-bursting.
Jacksonville has the same record as us and a worse differential. In fact I think Tampa Bay may still be in the negatives as well despite being 4-1.
Despite that, not trying to negate your point as I fully agree with it.
GET A SILK BAG FROM THE GRAVEYARD DUCK TO LIVE LONGER.
Bills, Browns, Lions, Astros, etc...
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
oops, missed the part where you said good teams
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I can
Even though we’re supposed to be emotion-less zombies and get upset when watching football, today’s game was a perfect exploitation of all our flaws. Twas a perfect storm of suck. So, yeah, I can see where people are hitting the panic button.
Plus, expectations are just generally higher. Not only do we have a roster with elite talent, most of them have proven the ability to actually play. When we disintegrate like today, well, is it a general problem? Or Giants specific?
Sadly, I think it’s both.
But, for crikey’s sake, if we’re Houston Texans fans, we should be used to never-ending disappointment.
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yea you would think we would be used to it
But every year I look at the talent on our team and expect more, I get too emotionally involved in the games, too high when we win and too low when we lose. But is it wrong for us to get our hopes up? We have pro bowlers up and down the roster, 2 DROY, the best WR in football it just makes it that much harder to lose games.
Maybe this is how Yankees fans feel win they dont win, all that talent and we cant win.
True
Expectations suck. High expectations suck much worse.
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Not sure where to post this thought,
but this caught my eye,
Not only do we have a roster with elite talent, most of them have proven the ability to actually play
I couldn’t really tell if it was players not playing Sunday or just getting down at forever being put in the wrong formations/wrong plays etc.
Someone mentioned 9-7 above….hmmmmm that is no improvement on last year. Lets see, 8-8, 8-8, 9-7…..?9-7? Anyone else think this may just very well be as good as we’re going to get with this coaching staff? People want to talk about the “steady improvement”…..well that pretty much stopped three seasons ago in my personal opinion. As I’ve said before, I think we " improved" to 9-7 last year in spite of this coaching staff. I think this year is starting to prove that.
I was hoping for better, but from what I am seeing I fully expect 8-8 again….9-7 if the players don’t give up like it looked like they did Sunday. I know as an employee one can only take so much of being set up to fail before one just gives up.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Agreed
I had us 4-2 at the bye so my expectations can be met.
I think the offense should be more of a worry than the defense.
"Lord, beer me strength."
The more I think about it
the more I blame the playcalling. Dennison is not playing to the strength of our talent. Hopefully Dennison can figure that out now that he sees we can’t bully everyone with the run game.
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How could you have us at 4-1?
I still don’t understand why people here are so high on this team. With bad defense, especially pass defense, we aren’t going anywhere but another .500 season.
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by bone31crusher on Oct 10, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
We where 9-7 last year
with a 2-3 start last year, and 8-8 with a 0-4 start in 08. Most of the things we are griping on now where problems then. If thats not reason for optimism I don’t know what is.
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no...at least not this guy
That doesn’t change some of the underlying problems. One win doesn’t change the fact that our DT’s will still suck, our secondary will still suck, our offense is freaking Jekyll and Hyde, our gameplan will be lacking, and our in-game adjustments will either be too late or non-existent. Whoopty-doo, we got it together for one game (or the Chiefs had a bad game…entirely possible).
It’s not that I like being this pessimistic about the Texans, I’m just tired of being disappointed. “Definition of insanity…blah blah blah.”
We won 9 games last year
with those same issues.
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Our offense was more consistent last year, we had different DTs, different secondary personnel, and different coaches. So I don’t think it’s quite that simple.
not to mention...
I wouldn’t be happy with another 9 win, non-playoff season.
by Barrett on Oct 11, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have a better record now then we did at the same time last year.
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I don't see the point.
I still wouldn’t be happy with another 9 win, non-playoff season. Regardless if they would have won the first 9 games and then lost the last 7, or whatever sequence it happens in.
The point is we have similiar issues
yet so far are performing better then we did last year. Is that really that hard to understand? We win one more game then 9, and we probably make the playoffs. Last year we had 2 wins at this point, right now we have 3. Make sense?
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what?
Okoye and Cody and Smith and Williams where the starters last year too. Who are these different coaches? Reeves is the only real change that matters in the secondary.
Also, our offense couldn’t run the fucking ball last year.
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Fucking A
I had a whole bunch of response. Our D line starters are all the same. Reeves is the only secondary change that really matters. The coaches on D are pretty much the same.
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I guess I didn't realize...
Earl Mitchell, Kareem Jackson, and Rick Dennison were all part of the team last year.
Barwin wasn't that great last year.
Having him this year would be a big difference I htink because he would be better then he was last year. KJ is no different then Dunta right now, but will probably get better, unlike Dunta.
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Its not that different.
Sorry I thought you where referring to D coaches, because you mentioned the offense, then some d things, then the coaches. A regrettable assumption on my part.
As for Dennison… This is Kubiaks offense. I still think Kubiak will at some point step in and get things ironed out,, if he isn’t already.
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Not me....
I am on the Texans bandwagon, but have never been on the Frank Bush bandwagon. And fell of the Kubiak bandwagon about halfway through last season.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Painful
it’s becoming painfully obvious that the texans are not a real good team….we are lucky to have won 2 of our games. We looked soo predictable on offense and our defense make every QB look like a MVP…. we are kinda sucking…I will be happy if we end up with another 9-7 record….when will the pain stop?!?!?!?!
It's like we didn't have an O-Line today
Split Seahawks/Texans fan. Don't like it? Don't care.
I want to make a post about how the Texans didn't play all that bad considering the coaching errors at the start of the game
But I just can’t bring myself to do it.
The defense didn’t have a breather long enough to make any adjustments until we were down by 21, but that’s absolutely inexcusable to be in that situation to begin with.
so let me get this straight
yes we looked bad, but so did the major SB contenders….
a) green bay loses to was to go to 3-2
b) saints lose to ari to go to 3-2
c) mannings are 3-2
d) giants are 3-2
d) oak on top of sd / even if sd wins to go to 3-2, they havent looked great either (losses to kc and sea)
e) only the ravens have looked super good in the entire league thus far
so basically, not time to hit the panic button, we’re still 3-2 with tons of talent. lets consider that we looked much better in the second half defensively (only gave up 10 pts, 2 picks, more pressure) – getting andre and jacoby healthy, we can just regroup against the chiefs. 4-2 into the bye aint bad. 2 weeks to then prepare for the mannings in primetime week 8. consistency is the name of the game, and we have plenty of time to iron out our flaws.
KP
by stanfordkp on Oct 10, 2010 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I'm nowhere near hitting the panic button
I’m getting concerned about our pass offense, but we’re about where I thought we’d be.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Andre and Jacoby being Hurt haven't helped
but Schaub seems hesitant this season
Good point
AND he seems to be holding onto the ball a lot longer (which is pretty much what you’re saying).
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YA I have no idea why
but even on 3 step drops he seems hesitant to let it go, why I have no idea but our scheme and line are not built for 7-10 seconds, if Schaub has at least 5 seconds he needs to get rid of the ball. I also think he needs to do a better job of sensing backside pressure.
It baffles me.
I don’t truly believe that the coverage is that good all the time. Nor do I understand why he has become so hesitant. After all, he’s not afraid to fire a pick into quadruple coverage.
Either way, I don’t feel confident that this team is capable of converting a third-down through the air right now. And until they figure it out, this offense is going to be crippled. I really hope our passing offense didn’t leave with Kyle Shanahan.
I know what you mean
last year on 3rd down if we passed I knew we had it, but this year I am afraid we will turn it over
Schaub was sacked what? 11 times before this game?
Andre has been injured and not playing up to his normal level. As much as I love Andre, this has been huge. There were some throws in Andre’s direction that a healthy Andre would have caught but the injured Andre should really be resting.
I think Andre is Schaub’s crutch in a way.
When Jacoby was on the field he’d drop things quite a bit. Jacoby STILL needs to learn more focus. Focus isn’t something you can get by with having at just 60%. It needs to be 100%.
Schaub needs to get more used to hitting Kevin Walter, David Anderson, and Joel Dreesen (until Owen Daniels is back to being Owen Daniels of last year)
(oh and ack! Arian Foster needs to learn how to catch shovel passes ;-) )
But the run game is cutting down on how many passes are even attempted. Before, when we had a crappy run game, you knew the passing HAD to work. — it was our only offensive option. Now that we’re getting fewer passing ATTEMPTS any wobbly passing or receiving is MUCH more noticeable. The sample has become smaller. Does that make sense? The passing game HAS to be much closer to 100% now b/c it’s getting fewer repetitions. That’s the new adjustment that has to be made.
Anyone being close to 100% game in and game out is going to be VERY hard to do. So somehow we have to work around the inevitability of not being 100%.
by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Needs to learn to pull in the pass....
before turning his head to look where the hit is coming from or where he is going to run.
oh and ack! Arian Foster needs to learn how to catch shovel passes
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
maybe if the Offensive line could have handled the Giants' defensive tricks
the other stuff we saw on offense might not have been so bad.
by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
the season is young and while we have struggled somewhat I still say we are in a better position than we were last year, and our Defense was awful then and we couldn’t run the ball on O. I don’t like Frank Bush’s D but unless Bob McNair suddenly becomes Jerry Jones and starts ordering people to be fired he is our D Coordinator
Record wise yes
but when you watch those teams, how many of them got dominated like we did in our two loses? Maybe its just the way this year is going to be, seems like no game can be accurately predicted.
losing to bad teams
is worse than losing to talented NFC east teams. giants/boys are WAY WAY BETTER than the seahawks (chargers), cardinals (saints), etc
KP
Dallas puts up 27 on Tennessee...
Yet Tennessee puts up 34 on the road for the win. Mull that over…
Gah.
It’s going to be truly embarrassing when Tennessee kicks the shit out of us.
I just dont get it
Our passing games is leaps and bounds better than the BE-SFs and our running game is pretty good yet we could barely muster 13 points yet VY can put up 34?
romo also
didnt throw 3 ill-advised picks.
KP
we cant forget
that the cowboys are an incredibly talented, but inconsistent team. much like the texans. im starting to the think this will be one of those years where everyone (cept the bills) is capable of beating everyone else.
KP
no...
But equal records and vastly different point differentials does not bode well for us.
Still not getting a complete picture of either team
I mean, let’s take Washington for example.
Let’s say Tennessee beats them 45-10. We beat them 30-27 in OT. However, that doesn’t account that Washington’s coaches knew our offensive and defensive scheme as well as our own coaches….that they designed a gameplan to exploit a lot of weak areas of the team. Whereas they don’t have that same familiarity with Tennessee.
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I dont think we are to that point yet
We still want to believe, we can look at this roster and say there is no way they cant succeed.
I guess
if the Raiders and beat the Chargers and the Cards can beat the defending SB champs, anything can happen.
ya
lets call this weekend an anomaly :), esp for the texans
KP
by stanfordkp on Oct 10, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
/agree about the anomaly
this game deserves to be forgotten from our perspective
by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL at bill worrell making fun of the texans
kevin martin picked off a pass..
clyde: “kevin martin, always aware in the passing lanes”
bill: “maybe he can play cb for the texans!”
clyde: “uh…i wont even go there”
WOW. hhaha
KP
Cardinals beat the reining Super Bowl Champs!!!
With an undrafted free agent QB at the helm of his first NFL start!! Im shocked but SUPER happy and the air in the arena was electrified! A good game indeed I will now be hoarse the rest of the week from all the screaming!! =) I gladly take the loss of 13 pick em points to their win! I didnt think it was possible but man am I happy!!
Did he look like the second coming of Chad Pennington out there?
I know the knock on Max Hall is his arm strength, but he supposedly has really good accuracy
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Stll made some rookie mistakes but his accuracy and timing
With Fitz is sooo much better than Anderson!!! He’s a tough lil guy and I soooo look forward to him getting in time and grade in this league I truly believe he is our future now that Warner is gone. Im not saying by any means that he’s gonna take us to the super bowl this year but his future looks quite bright. Im a happy girl the cards win helped to offset my depression over the Texans loss.
His Rosencopter tribute was delightful
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I am Still on the "Band Wagon" if there is one
I am pissed that the team showed up like a bunch of entitled union workers putting in their time. (I guess they really are). Very few played well.
Defense was bad
Offense was Bad – Seems they never had 2 positive plays in a row besides pass to Dre then TD.
Coaching was bad
I found it odd that we were behind like 20+ points with 5 minutes left before we tried running to the right – any ideas why? (not the late run, but not running right)
Texans are still doing OK in a tough division, maybe we can find out why when they play at home that they come out like – “ho hum, I gotta play 3 hours of football now.”
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Part of it
may be the fact that we seem to have ho hum fans. did anyone else notice at the start of the game the stands were half empty. I know that’s not uncommon for a Texans game but it’s pretty sad. And I would think it’s kinda hard for the team to feed off the crowds energy when there’s no one in the stands.
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GO TEXANS!!!!
I dont care if we lost Im still on the bandwagon!!!! I love my texan boys and Still think we are one of the very best in the league!!
It might get pretty lonely this week.
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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 10, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
depends on the pass rush really
But Cassel is not very good and the cheifs really only have 2 passing options, I’m more worried about stopping Jamal Charles
At this point
nobody knows, he could look like peyton manning or jamarcus russell
Upon further review
Coaching gets about 40% of the blame for our horrific loss. Frank Bush’s Cover 2 is causing us to get eaten alive, and Kubiak is punting in enemy territory when he’s down by multiple scores.
Offense gets about 30%. The passing game looked like a regression to the Zoolander days, and the running game looked like last year’s bad performances.
Special teams gets 15%. Poor returning yardage, plus flags on almost every return. That gives our anemic offense even less to work with.
Defense gets about 15%. Schemes aside, at least the defense got two picks. And they stopped half the drives overall. That’s nothing to write home about, but when the defense is on the field for almost 39 minutes, what do you expect?
I hope that we’ve hit rock bottom for the season and start to rebound. But I’m a Houston fan, so I’m pessimistically cynical.
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by 5stringJeff on Oct 10, 2010 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Bonus points to you
for the math actually working out correctly.
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Speaking of special teams - Time for kickoff return change?
Anyone else tired of Slaton’s total ineptitude at returning kicks? The next time he falls down at the 13 from running into his own man I’m going to tear my arm off and beat myself to death with it.
But aside from that, fairly accurate review.
Steve Slaton cannot return kicks.
It needs to be Jacoby.
Steve needs to catch screen passes.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Agreed
Though I never thought I would say that I’m looking forward to Jakespeare’s return. I also wouldn’t even mind seeing Dorrin Dickerson try his hand at a return or two, any word on his injury?
Special teams was meh.
Kick returns were sad, but the offense’s average starting position was our 25 yard-line. They got the ball within five yards of midfield on four separate occasions. No excuse for sucking that much ass, really. I’d put 70% on the offense.
However, this reminds me of Deng Xiaopeng’s assessment of Mao Zedong, in which he decided (through serious mathematical calculations, no doubt) that though millions were killed in the Great Leap Forward, Mao was 70% right, 30% wrong.
You need to keep the faith
The Giants board looked like this after the Indy loss, where we looked horrible all over. Fire all the coaches, the GM, cut a few players. One game is just one game. It was clear that your injured players were actually injured. And see, our DL and WRs were as underrated as we said they were. A lot of 1st and 2nd round picks at those positions.
I was impressed by Daniels. Faster than I noticed previously. And Cushing got in on a lot of plays.
HAD ENOUGH YET?
I know I have the only way to make ownership and management know we are not going to put up with this crappy product they are putting on the field year after year is to hurt them in the wallet.
Does anyone doubt if we had Rex Ryan as our defensive coordinator that our defense would be better than they are now. It is scheme and game planning for team you are facing.
I do not know what is going on with the offense except Schaub is not sharp. The first game he looked ok but since then I think he has been off. I know everyone will give grief on this comment but stats aside just watch the tape and compare to last season. I am hoping he is just being a slow starter again this season.
Kubiak needs to understand we are a passing offense that sets up the run. The current personnel says that is what this offense is. We are not a 50/50 team.
The bigger problem seems to be that Dennison has interpreted 50/50
to mean 50 ineffective passing plays in a row, followed by 50 ineffective running plays in a row.
SHUFFLE THE DECK, DENNISON! SHUFFLE IT!
Seriously though.
The Texans started this game off with what, 4 passing plays in a row?
They did the same thing last week. Bootleg, Bootleg, pass, pass, if I’m not mistaken.
The offense relies on rhythm
And right now, they’re making this old, white boy look like a dancing god.
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Yes
But rhythm is brought from knowing who you are as a offense. This offense does not know who they are yet. They think they are a 50/50 team but they are not built that way. The offense is built to be a passing team first then run. Last year the offense sputtered like to day until they gave up on the idea of being a 50/50 team because their run production was so terrible. The coaches need to stop trying to force this team to be something it does not have the personnel to be or this will be another 8-8 season.
I kinda disagree
But we’re real close. We’re a play action team. When we fail to utilize that gift, we fail.
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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 10, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Dickerson doesn't seem to get the offense
Maybe Kubes needs to step in more? Or is it kubes? Its always hard to tell who is really calling plays
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I think it's Dennison
I have no idea. But if it were Kubes, I think the playcalling would be better.
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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 10, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think so
and if so maybe kubes can step in and tell Dennison to watch some tape of last year. I hope. I pray.
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blah blah blah
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Dennison needs to read more.
I think Dennison has only gotten thru the first half of the playbook. Shanny was stuck in the second half of the book. last year. I think if you combine those 2 we might have someone that would call a decent game.
now you are talking sense
but yeh its the lack of screens and dump off passes thats mistifying right now
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Last year I was pissed that Schaub wasn't getting as much recognition as he deserved.
Now, I understand why he isn’t considered an elite QB. He throws so many damn picks. They aren’t just great plays by the DBs, they are terrible throws by him. He tends to latch on to Andre coming out of the snap and he will throw it to him whether or not he is covered. He needs to improve on his pocket poise and decision making. That clock you are supposed to have in your head as a QB is non existent with him this season.
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His Pick to TD ratio is better than Eli's
Not that it is great -
I think it is plays or play design – I have seen many with no check down receiver. Though today on 3rd an 12 or whatever with 10 minutes left he threw it away instead of trying to hit Dreesen on the roll out – I thought that was really odd. Almost as odd as punting it away the next play.
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 11, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Well the checkdown last year
would get us good yardage. That was one of the few plays that Slaton would look good running last year. Why we wouldn’t utilize that I don’t know.
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Good game today guys...
no need to fall into the abyss just yet Texans fans. Today was just our day. I can admit that if AJ80 an Jacoby Jones were healthy the game would have looked different, maybe not the outcome but we wouldn’t hve had some of the luxuries we had today. We were able to focus more on the run which put you guys in a lot of 3rd and longs. When we get that we can basically unleash our pass rush.
Good luck the rest of the season and hopefully you guys can make the playoffs.
Get Passed It
Get the venting over with and move on and get ready to root for a Victory for next Sunday. Unless you actually do work for the Texans organization, there is not much you can do
Texans Go To The Break 4-2, rest up for a week, get healthier, get wiser and go 6-4 down the stretch to get in as a wild card
by Hangbok on Oct 10, 2010 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Mike Singletary
Maybe he will get fired and we can pick him up to replace bush, but in all reality this organization probably will never make a mid-season staff change
That could work
Or the Chin, has anyone seen the Chin lately?
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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I certainly
hope not…
I don’t want that saliva spitting jackass anywhere near Houston.
I'm the best there is at what I do.
he couldn't have been that good
we where 24th in passing yards per game
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my feelings
are tremendously hurt. i am deployed, so i have to watch the games online. everytime we play at home it seems like we lose. i guess we just need to schedule a 16 game road season.
I'm going to chalk today's game off as an anomaly
We know the Texans are better than this. They know it too. They need to figure out how to win at home.
we’re 3-2 I still think we can pull our games together. Remember how solid the Texans were in the last four games last season? We’ll pull it together hopefully before December. . .
Admittedly this is a crappy way to start the month of October but maybe it’s better to lose this one instead of a more important game later. Maybe the Texans can point to these TWO losses and say “ok this is what we don’t need to repeat”
true that
i just hope it doesnt take a 4 game losing streak to pull their heads out their behinds to right the ship. sometimes rooting for the texans feels like you’re dating a hot chick, only to find out how unpredictable she is, but yet you stay with her. everytime she does something good, you think she’s gonna follow it up with something better, only to disappoint you again.
by htownallday on Oct 11, 2010 4:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL well said
i just hope it doesnt take a 4 game losing streak to pull their heads out their behinds to right the ship
I hope they learned enough from last year that they don’t need that much disciplining from the football gods.
by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Forget dating....
only to find out how unpredictable she is, but yet you stay with her. everytime she does something good, you think she’s gonna follow it up with something better, only to disappoint you again
I wound up marrying this chick.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
by txknight on Oct 11, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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