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The Morning After: Where Was The Offense?

I'm not 100% sure, but I think Matt Schaub's forcing the ball into quintuple-coverage here.

Luckily, yesterday's game was only 1 of 16. It was only one game, folks. The Houston Texans are still 3-2, still unbeaten in the division and conference, and one bad Sunday does not mean the season's over. It was a bad game, but now it's on these professionals to respond like professionals who just got embarrassed on their home turf. However, next week's expectations are for later this week. Take a deep breath, and let's take a look at what went wrong yesterday.

Yesterday's post-game comments mostly seemed directed at Frank Bush and his defense. It appears that the blame for yesterday's loss is going toward the Cover-2 Zone. I understand that the defense has not played too well this season, but let's look at some stats.

Defensively, the stats are actually not that bad. The Texans held the Giants to 36% on 3rd down conversions. The defense forced two turnovers and held Eli Manning under 300 passing yards. The defense even limited the New York rushing attack to under four yards per carry. The big problem? Eli Manning rarely saw any pressure and wasn't sacked at all. When the pass rush can't generate consistent pressure then we know our defense is going to have its hands full.

However, I don't (totally) blame Frank Bush's defense for the loss. People tend to gloss over the offense because it has a more proven track record, but they deserve to feel some heat for yesterday's loss. In fact, I believe the torches and pitchforks should be pointed at Rick Dennison's squad for yesterday's debacle.

Star-divide

Let me preface this whole post with this statement: Yes, the New York defense played well, and I give them credit for a great performance yesterday. However, no defense is unbeatable if you design a good gameplan or make smart mid-game adjustments.

New York was coming off a performance where they knocked Chicago quarterbacks to the trainer's room. You would think the Texans would come out ready to slow the pressure down with a lot of screen passes, draw plays, and quick throws. Apparently, the coaches tried to out-think themselves. At a glance, the Houston gameplan appeared to be pass early since no one would be expecting that. Unfortunately for them, the Texans did as New York wanted since the New York pass rush would prove to be a problem.

Justin Tuck and company were able to harass Schaub and force him to get happy feet. The Giant defensive line also knew that the Texans like to hit the middle of the field, so they attacked with hands up to deflect passes. The result? Matt Schaub was hit seven times, sacked three times, and only completed 47.1% of his passes which killed drives.

What's that? You wanted more runs and Arian Foster? New York was ready for that, too. The Giants took away the edges and maintained backside discipline to take away the cut-back run. Yet, the Texans thought they could hit the edge against a fast and prepared New York defense. Eventually, the offense moved away from running altogether due to lack of early success and getting down by 21.

To summarize, the New York defense was prepared and knew exactly what Houston wanted to do. The sad part? The Texans continued to try what wasn't working. It's the same square peg into a circle hole mentality that we've seen from Dennison's offense this season.

Gary Kubiak and Rick Dennison should have counter-punched with misdirection bootlegs, runs up the middle, and quick outs. Where were the screen passes? Heck, where have the screen passes been all season? How about a draw play? Where was the quick out to Owen Daniels and Joel Dreessen? Heck, Owen was the best weapon yesterday, but he, nor Dreessen, saw only seven targets. Where was max protection? Gary and Rick, where were any of these adjustments? You hung your defense out to dry with a bad offensive performance.

In the first quarter, the Texans offense had four drives - all of which had fewer than four plays. The defense could never get on the sideline long enough for a breather or to make any sort of adjustments. We don't know whether that extra time to adjust would have made a difference or not, but I wish we had a chance to see if it would have.

Instead, the defense was trotted out to defend bad field position. The Giants started two of their four 1st quarter drives at their own 45 or better. New York took advantage of the field position and had three touchdowns before anyone knew it - including a touchdown after Matt Schaub forced yet another a pass to Andre Johnson who was blanketed by three New York defensive backs.

In the 3rd quarter, the Texans defense delivered three straight three-and-outs - two of those on Sherrick McManis and Kareem Jackson interceptions. How did the Houston offense respond? Matt Schaub was strip-sacked near mid-field, and Matt Turk came out to punt at his own 38 yard line. The Texans did score a touchdown on the third drive, but the offense had already blown a great chance to climb back into the game and gain momentum.

The defense is not a perfect unit, but, pass rush aside, they actually performed better than I had expected going into Sunday's game. It's too bad the offense couldn't give them a hand yesterday.

That's where I lay the blame for yesterday's loss, but what about you BRB-faithful? After a night to think about it, what went wrong yesterday? Who has something to prove on Sunday? An even bigger question: How do you feel about Rick Dennison's play-calling after five real weeks of it?

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I haven't watched the Dvr yet, ...

not sure if I want to. My buddy sent my a text..“you picked a good one to miss” right then I knew we got rolled.

GO TEXANS!!!!

Our time will come...

by Texanmaniac on Oct 11, 2010 6:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Yesterday I wondered

if they don’t slow the rush with screens because they don’t practice them. Sure looked like they were lost the 1 or 2 times they tried. It was hard to tell cause so many plays got busted on what they were attempting anyway.

by sammocyr on Oct 11, 2010 6:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I often wonder if the rest of the league has just figured out the Texans play calls.

Also, I wonder how much advice Eli gets from Peyton on playing AFC South teams?

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Oct 11, 2010 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

im sure they swap intel with one another

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is very simple.

1) The Texans get DOMINATED by big, physical teams. We can’t play physical football nor can we react to it.

2) It’s time to admit that our defensive line is bad. They can get pressure occasionally, but they are middle of the pack at best. That in turn exposes the secondary. I hate Frank Bush as much as the next guy, but let’s face it, he doesn’t have the talent outside of two maybe three guys this year to have a good defense.

3) The offense can’t handle big defensive lines. How many passes were batted down? Did you watch Eric Winston get pushed around like a schoolgirl?

Here is the part that hurts the most….hurts to even ponder it but, the Titans defense is better than the Giants. They are going to rape us if e don’t figure out how to play football before we see them.

So disgusted with the lack of physicality on this team.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

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by TexansForever on Oct 11, 2010 6:59 AM CDT reply actions  

At this point, I don't care how much of an asshole he is, I want the Texans to trade for Fat Albert Haynesworth

He wants to be in a 4-3 defense, I say let’s give him his wish. His contract has been mostly paid off, so he wouldn’t be a big financial hit

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but he sucks these days.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 11, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

People seem to forget

he isn’t just an asshole off the field. He has been such an asshole about conditioning and practicing that he is practically worthless right now.

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, as long as he can clog up a few people to free up Okoye, Mario, & Antonio

I’d say that would improve our pass rush. Haven’t we been asking for a planetoid NT since the draft? Here’s our chance

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Oct 12, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

While we at it, can we include Slaton for Champ Bailey in that trade

Those two would improve our defense a lot

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Oct 12, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except I'm saying he won't

becuase he sucks right now.

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by nolander on Oct 12, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it less him sucking & more not giving a shit about Papa Shanny

Maybe he’s doing this to get himself the hell out of there

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Oct 12, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Personally...

The kind of guy that would pull that kind of childish stunt isn’t the kind of guy I’d like on a team I root for.

GET A SILK BAG FROM THE GRAVEYARD DUCK TO LIVE LONGER.

by Synchysi on Oct 12, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well he did get lied to his face by the owner

“No, we won’t change to a 3-4 Defense”, “No, we won’t hire a coach that likes the 3-4”. Can’t blame him for being pissed off for that

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Oct 12, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pissed, yeah.

But there are better ways to show it than throwing a temper tantrum. At this point Haynesworth just looks like a petulant child.

Although Shanahan seems to have been egging him on, so who knows.

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by Synchysi on Oct 12, 2010 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

One would think

That as a professional football player, he would handle it professionally. Dan Snyder sucks in many ways, but he has every right to do what’s right for the franchise, including hiring the best coach available. Even if that coach runs a 3-4.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 12, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

They told him if he doesnt want to play 3-4....

Dont show up to collect your 21 million dollar bonus, he showed up to collect so show up and play whatever position i ask you to. Youre being blinded for your need of a DT, Fat Albert isnt the one you want. Ive watched him be a non factor since he got paid by Washington.

"Lets go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs" -L.T.

by bleedblue12 on Oct 13, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Titans D isnt as good as the Giants so theres hope my friend....

I’ll be rooting for the Texans now that my Giants are off your schedule. The Giants put more yards on Titans D then yours. They can be had and I’ll be quietly rooting for you!

"Lets go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs" -L.T.

by bleedblue12 on Oct 11, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Too bad the Cowgirls couldn’t help out. They mess up our schedule, then can’t take care of someone else in the division.

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by texanslady on Oct 12, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

running game

Could someone explain to me why the Texans insist on throwing the ball most of the first two series of the game instead of trying to establish a running game.They throw on first down and try a run play on second down when every one knows its coming and then when it is not successful they pass the ball the next 10 times . Is that the way to establish the run.And then on top of that they take Foster out of the game for half the third quarter. Does Kubiac have something against Foster ? If I had the leading rusher in the NFL on my team I think I would give him the ball a few times in a row and see if he and my offensive line could get something going. It seems the coaching staff wants to make Shaub another P. Manning which will never happen! I usually don,t complain about the coaching, but COME ON MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by monday morning QB on Oct 11, 2010 7:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Because establishing the run is a myth.

Winning teams establish the run after they’re ahead, not before.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 11, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is a myth as it relates to total yards and the whole good rushing teams wins games thing

That doesn’t mean it’s not important to establish the run to slow down the pass rush and give your offense some balance…especially against the Giants pass rush.

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by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

and our defense has been losing games for us

for four years now

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

More

Really. The horros of Vic Fangio must not be forgotten. It’s kind of a moot point when your quarterback is David Carr, but it’s not like we’ve ever had exceptional defensive play.

by JimboTexan on Oct 11, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually from what I read

Foster wasn’t in the game for a lot of the second half because he banged his knee.

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by xmant2000 on Oct 11, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Foster Still Leads the League

In rushing as of this moring

Also all the pundits are still taking about how great Rogers is, just having “trouble” the Shaub’s stats are better.

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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 11, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

it starts with the coaching

no reason this team should come out this flat and look like a bunch of tards out there.. im really questioning the kareem pick too, this guy looks awful

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I certainly don't remember

Dunta’s rookie season being this bad.

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by xmant2000 on Oct 11, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dunta was the exception to the rule

He actually had one of the best rookie CB seasons of all-time.

If only he hadn’t fucked his knee up. Then we might be okay now.

by riversmccown on Oct 11, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, no knee injury, no "Pay Me Rick" shoes, & he would have gotten his money

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dunta was garbage

That guy cost us three games last year with one memorable touchdown allowed to Kenny Britt, A ROOKIE!. He may have been able to tackle, but that’s all he could do. His coverage skills have declined every year. Rick Smith did the right thing

by BRBUSAFTexan on Oct 11, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

He couldn't tackle last year either

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Terrell Owens agrees

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 11, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Three games?

Jesus. Talk about delusional.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea I cant think of one game he cost us specifically

If anyone cost us 3 games or more it was the Brothers Brown.

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last year, Dunta was garbage

But before the leg injury, he was one of the best players on the team. I’m pretty sure if he had never fucked up his leg, he probably would have been one of the better CBs in the league & maybe Rick would have paid him. But since he did fuck up his leg & pulled that “Pay Me Rick” stunt, his ass got sent packing

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Oct 12, 2010 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he was overrated even before the injury

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Oct 12, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

he had an incredible rookie season

i remember the oak game, the raiders qb kept pickin on him and rob got 2 picks off him, he was great his rookie season

Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. the Astros have gotten back into my good graces so theyre allowed back into the elite club... GO 'STROS, 2011 NL Central Division Champs!! you heard it hear first!

by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Texans are my pick to win your div.

gave me a nice boost in week 1 of our pick’em pool by beating the Dolts.

Anyway I noticed you guys were too good of sports to acknowledge that there were also two awful calls against the Texans. Not the difference in the game but def. a kick in the balls — the hands-to-the face that kept the Giants drive alive, and the offsides on the field goal.

Anyway, I wouldn’t overreact too much, that was the best all-around effort the Giants have put up in over a year — that’s fan consensus — so I wouldn’t see it as reflecting on the Texans’ state of the union all that much.

Good luck for the rest of the season, I hope you take the division!

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 7:38 AM CDT reply actions  

thanks, but this is the same song and story since their existence

its bigger than it being just one game.. this is the grim reality of what we are

Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. the Astros have gotten back into my good graces so theyre allowed back into the elite club... GO 'STROS, 2011 NL Central Division Champs!! you heard it hear first!

by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Want to extend the same wishes

The game was not as bad as the score makes it look, and the Giants (the same team who got obliterated by the Colts) had an unusually strong game. A lot of us over at BBV are rooting for you guys to kick ass this season, especially because your team’s fanbase is made up of people with the good sense to not root for the Cowboys. (Paraphrasing someone from BBV, can’t remember who.)

Good luck!

by twincitiesknick on Oct 11, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too many teams "get well" against the Texans. It's old news and means we need some changes.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Oct 11, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

well,

I’m not gonna disagree with you guys on your own blog. All I can say is, there is a common phenomenon you might call roller-coaster-syndrome. We all picked the Giants to win the East pre-season and when they beat the panthers it was put into evidence. Then we got destroyed by the Colts and it was “proof we aren’t a contender.” Then we lost to the Titans and it was “Fire the coach, we suck.” Today all the guys are getting their ribbons ready to tie up the division but I’m sure it’ll go low again.

After 2 losses I’m sure you guys are at a low on things, but from an outsider’s perspective, there’s not a lot separating yourselves and the colts, and you probably have your best chance of taking the division this year in the history of the franchise. You’ve got an absolutely brutal schedule the rest of the way, but if you take care of business with Jacksonville and Tennessee I think things will be looking up.

Best wishes and again, you’ve been the best fans to visit BBV in over a year.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is definitely some of that going on

However, we are seeing the same weaknesses we saw in the past, and the same problems that had many of us hesitant going into this season being exposed. It’s a case of the things that kept us out of the playoff still being an issue.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

How come we can see the problems with our team, the opponents coaches can see the problems. But our own seem oblivious to the issues?

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

funny how the cowboys ''got well''

against us until they returned to earth after playing tenn.. and that was coming off a bye week, same old overrated girls, and what does it say about us? geez

i bet the giants are no longer well after their next game also

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

That hands to the face was strictly bullsh%t. I feel for you guys on that one.

by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 11, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was really rough

seeing someone finally making a play and getting penalized. Thanks

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh, thanks

It’s true. As Texans at Reliant, we can always count on getting a home job at home . . .

I always worry that the refs are keeping it fair on the other teams. But wow the refs at reliant can sure stink it up for us and they’re not even trying hard.

Either way, our game shouldn’t be so fragile that a few lousy calls break our momentum.

Y’all played FAR better and truly deserved that win. Keep up the good work!

=D Maybe we’ll meet again at the end of the playoffs ;-) up there in southern Oklahoma.

REMATCH!!!

by BattleRedFan on Oct 12, 2010 4:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would welcome that.

In the meantime, play hard, play well, get your wins up and you guys will be okay. You have a team that can do it. Just need to make some minor adjust in your secondary. Now it’s off to Loinsville. Play well.

by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 12, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just plain bad playcalling.

That pretty much covers it.

Jackson is taking way too much flack. He looked really good on some plays. Rookies are inconsistent, sometimes they are going to look brilliant, sometimes they are going to look lost.

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by OremLK on Oct 11, 2010 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

not this often, wowzers

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the 129393rd time

He’s looked better than most of the rookie CBs

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

but this is an average at best CB class

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's really no way to tell that.

And the number of CBs who actually succeed as rookies is minuscule (only 2 have ever won Defensive Rookie of the Year).

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clay Matthews didnt win the DROY so whats ya point bud?

DROY is great but many great defensive rooks doesnt win it.. look at that DB Byrd from buffalo.. you usually can tell if a player will be special from jump street and some are possible late bloomers, but of course I hope the latter for kareem

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

None of what you said changes

that CBs struggle as rookies.

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

inaccurate statement

some CB’s struggle, some dont

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

most do

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Says who?

Thats not what I heard going into the draft. You know when you can reasonably evaluate that? Not now.

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

says all the rookies in the nfl this year who are gettin tooled repeatedly by qb's

maybe you dont look at highlights or watch other games

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you don't watch every game every year

Most rookie CBs struggle. No one is lockdown or shutdown or even an average NFL player coming into the league.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't seen many plays where he has looked "really good".

But keep in mind, all of my criticism isn’t on him, so much as it is on the coaches and general manager who forced him into the starting role this year.

He very well might develop into a very good CB. But at some point, the front office needs to deliver a playoff team instead of saying, “just wait a year”. It was a gamble to go young at DB this year. So far, it looks like they swung and missed, and they might very well pay the price with another mediocre season.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

my two cents (as a Giants fan)

You are too easy on your defense. Their numbers look ok because the Giants settled in (aside from a brief stretch in the 3rd quarter). Giving up 3 TDs in the first quarter pretty much guarantees a loss, particularly for a team with a great rushing attack. What was the offense to do at that point? I am not sure how hobbled Johnson was by the ankle injury, but Schaub didn’t seem to have anyone open. I actually think your O-line looked ok in pass protection, though we didn’t really need to blitz that much and perhaps satisfied ourselves with moderate pressure in exchange for better coverage.

During the 3rd Q, your defense adjusted and got some really good pressure on Eli, and while I would not say that they forced the picks (that was bad decision making on Eli’s part) the Texan defense looked quite good for about 5 minutes, particularly on Eli’s blind side. If they could have adjusted earlier/quicker, perhaps it would have made a difference, but really it was too late at that point. I was really pretty surprised by this game. Every team has bad weeks, but this looked like more than a bad week for you guys (honestly and not offense intended)

by Cornfields on Oct 11, 2010 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

turnovers by the offense helped contribut to the early defecit

The defense was bad early…but some of that was just blown assignments. Wilson (Why he was even in I don’t know) looked to get lost on the second Giants TD. Pollard got lost on the third. The offense didn’t do them any favors though. If they can get some points on the first drive or two it would have helped to slow the Giants momentum. Schaub has not really looked like he was in rhythm all year, except maybe against the skins.

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by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea

you cant put the opponents offense in your territory that many times and expect something good to come of it.

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It’s kind of been a bad decade all-around.

by JimboTexan on Oct 11, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come On Man….
Kubiak hasn’t been able to get the team to play with any conisistency and yesterday they just looked flat. When the defense got pressure on Eli mainly Cush the Texans were able to force turnovers but when the Texans didn’t bring pressure the secondary got picked apart. Also knowing the Giants have a good pass rush why are the receivers going out on long routes with double moves??

by Joey Latulippe on Oct 11, 2010 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe, Just Maybe..

Our offense is in some sort of a funk. Maybe we are still trying to find our identity even though we ARE a passing team. After a few games where we dominate with our running game is effecting us in our passing game due to our OC Dennison thinking we can just get by with the running game. After the giants stopped our running game, the passing game couldn’t get anything done. I mean last year we had absolutely no running game but we still dominated people with the passing game.

Defense:
We have times were we have great pressure and there is a fire in our defense. The giants first drive was a great example of what we could be. Our secondary is absolute garbage as of now but I feel like they will turn this thing around. I’d assume its easier to fix the run defense over the pass defense but maybe we just needed a good ass whooping to get these guys to understand. Kareem jackson is a rookie, Brice McCain is a 2nd year player with little game experience and Glover Quinn is the best thing we have as a corner. (He still allowed 1 Td, His first ever) We will get better with time. Look on the bright side, atleast we got 2 picks.

Best Case Scenario: Our secondary picks it up, and our defense become a dominating one while our offense uses its strengths to dominate opposing defenses.

Worst Case Scenario: Our secondary continues to suck it up and allow recievers to punk them and we finish the season with a 7-9 thru 9-7 season as our offense continues to suck at the worst possible times.

by fgp on Oct 11, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Let me say this.

Yea offense sucked and Defense sucked but i have to say our special teams hurt us a lot. Seems like there was a penalty on ever kickoff and punt, don’t know about y’all but having DA return punts is just as scary as jacoby back there maybe worse. Slaton just is garbage on kickoffs but really did not matter cause even if he broke one it would have been brought back. We need to look into a serious kick returner anybody know of yamon figures from Baltimore?

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Slaton is just a shadow of the player he once was.

On every kickoff, there is just no possibility of him busting a long one. The 68 yard return against the saints in preseason was just a tease and an anomoly. If jacoby doesn’t get his act together then he should be back to returning kickoffs

by fgp on Oct 11, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

Jones has returned kickoffs before, as I recall he did it quite a lot either last season or the year before that.

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by xmant2000 on Oct 11, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's worth pointing out that the NFL changed the rule this year on how many men can be in the "wedge" on kickoff returns

I think that has translated to less holes on kick off returns league wide. Slaton hasn’t looked good, and he does seem to run into his own blockers all the time…but I do think the new rule has had an effect.

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by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know papabear

if you watched the Titans wipe their ass w/ Dallas and the 49ers/Eagles game, there’s quite a few kick returners who are getting great gains under the same wedge rule.

I’d say it’s Slaton. Am I wrong in wishing we’d kept Andre Davis? Could’ve sworn he had some good returns last year.

by CowboyH8ter on Oct 11, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slaton just doesn't run hard

at all. He is too tentative and too scared.

It’s the same thing when he’s on offense…he runs with 0 authority and decisiveness.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree that Slaton looks bad at all

He does. Just pointing at the rule could have some impact, because the blocking hasn’t been that great either.

For the record I thought Davis was bad last year too,

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by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought andre davis was still on the team just pup list right?

the rule may have something to do with but slaton just not doing it right or something.

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

We IR’d him for the season, rather than cut him. There really wasn’t room on the team for him, but they didn’t want to release him.

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slaton...

It’s like they don’t even know what to do with him anymore now that Foster has taken over as RB1.

“Well, he’s healthy (allegedly), and under contract, but not good enough to see the field as a running back…I know, let’s have him return kicks!”

by Barrett on Oct 11, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

and he sucks at it.

hope they figure something out. i really think we should have use him more yesterday on screens an stuffs.

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Casey would be better

Whether he has done it before or not – I bet he has done it before though

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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 11, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brice McCain returned kicks at Utah, why haven't we given him a shot?

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by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

stupid coaching and maybe he is to small.

or they know he might get burnt for the td and might get tired running after him to turn around and take the kickoff. just maybe.

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

too small can't be an excuse

when there are players like Sproles, Danny Woodhead, & Dexter McCluster in the NFL

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Oct 12, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

but you still would not have known what would have happen if they were here.

You talking about Now who says they get hurt maybe they will maybe they don’t, just saying.

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would help

But not enough to overcome the huge deficit that Frank Bush’s suckiness puts us in.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 11, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

To my Fan eye.

It seemed to me that yesterday we played a bit better with our corners Man’ed up instead of giving them 5-7 yard cushions.

by fgp on Oct 11, 2010 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I noticed that as well

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by xmant2000 on Oct 11, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

We don’t call it “red carpet zone” here for no reason.

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by OremLK on Oct 11, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

yup, bush doesnt seem to get it though

i hate the zone, its awful

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt the offense could have done better.

But we gave up 30+ points. While the offense deserves some of the blame, the majority of it has to go to the defense. How many times are we going to see the fifteen yard out to the sideline beat us? It’s literally open every single time. Hell, the Giants dominated us so bad they didn’t even need to throw to their tight end, which is a good thing because if they did we might have given up 54 points.

I’m pretty sure our defensive backs turned their heads in coverage all of two times. Which makes three times on the season. Are we the only team that teaches their cornerbacks to do that? Because it’s a PI waiting to happen.

So much to be angry about.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 11, 2010 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Seems like they are coached not to.

Yesterday was a horrible day for Texans fans. Defeats like this will happen but that doesn’t mean for everybody to jump ship after every loss. We can bounce back and have a playoff bound season. Our record is 3-2 and last time I checked, we are still in the thick of things. It could be worse, we could be the 49’s and have their 0-5 record. Hopefully the secondary comes around or we can steal Champ Bailey/Scrabble away from their teams. Next week should tell us how this season will go. Either we tank or we Succeed.

by fgp on Oct 11, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bailey will probably be available in the off-season.

But it’s a year too late.

Despite the contract extensions, I’m not writing off the possibility of Bob McNair losing it and canning everyone if they don’t finish strong.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im sure if we miss the playoffs again this year

no matter how well they finish, McNair will start firing people. Either that or force Kubiak to make changes.

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never thought I'd miss Jacques Reeves..

atleast I’ve seen the man break up a pass with my own two eyes. All I see from our corners is utter confusion on how to play the position. Sometimes they play 10 yards off the line, sometimes they press and get knocked down by the WR, sometimes they just let the WR run by them (as obviously called for by our amazing zone D) on their way to wide open TD catches because our safeties are either in quicksand or have fallen down themselves.

Meanwhile, every QB we play has all the time he wants in the pocket. And if the pressure starts to get there, they run draws, screens, or checkdowns to their fullback which all end up in 20-30 yard gains. If all else fails, you can always hit your trusty tight end on EVERY play. We have good linebackers, yes, but someone in charge seems to think that one should be on the line strong side while the other 2 are 8 yards deep.

Complete an utter confusion as a defense.

by leacheatsbabies on Oct 11, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

The biggest difference, just eyeballing stats, between this year's secondary and last year's?

3 and 4 WRs are getting yards…….and RBs are getting mega yards.

RBs….loss of Cushing? Who really knows.

3 and 4 WRs…..Loss of Reeves who took the slot and kept McCain on the 4……

And someone needs to man-up on a TE. We get abused by TEs.

Otherwise, they have done decently against 1s and 2s. Not great, not good, but manageable…….at least when you eyeball stats.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno about that...

In their two losses, they’ve been torched by receivers. Nicks and Roy Williams just ate them up. Even Joey Galloway beat them deep (would have been twice, but he couldn’t catch up to McNabb’s last throw).

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im so ashamed of this team right now!

If they dont get it together soon. We could be sitting at 3-3 with a loss to the Chiefs. After the bye we go and visit the Colts. This shit can get ugly real fast. Next weekend is a must win to keep the faith in Houston.

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by The Abrego on Oct 11, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

So tired of the same stuff...

I hate it when the Texans lose. But I can stomach it if they actually play hard the entire game and just get beat by a better effort from the other team that particular day. But this was horseshit.

It was as if the Texans players went into the game thinking they had a good chance of winning, but as soon as things started to go wrong, they went into shellshock. “Oh well, looks like we’re not gonna win today…how much longer ’til this one is over?” I saw ZERO counter-punch from anyone after the Giants took control early. Seriously, they just looked defeated and ready to go home after the 1st quarter. Embarrassing!

I have also been a staunch Kubiak defender, but my patience is worn out. “It’s on me” huh? Unacceptable! I don’t know how many times we’ve heard that, but if that’s really the case, then he should go! If he really is the reason (as he self-proclaims) for so many Texans losses, then we need to find someone else to do the job. I’m fine with him trying to shoulder some of the blame…that’s what good coaches do…but I mean, how many times is it acceptable for the head coach to be the reason that we lost???

It is just so frustrating to see a complete meltdown like what I witnessed yesterday. I’m not a sky is falling kind of guy, but looking at the rest of the schedule, I agree with The Abrego. “This shit can get ugly real fast.” I’m worried it will. I hope I’m wrong.

by Barrett on Oct 11, 2010 9:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Truth

Looked just like this in the Dallas game as well. Came out listless and unprepared. I’m a Kubes fan but both of those are coaching issues.

by FreeRange on Oct 11, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here is my problem with this whole swarm of posts

No part of the team is faultless after last week’s game. Who gives a shit which one was at more fault?

The only three players that can hold their heads high after Sunday are Neil Rackers, Owen Daniels, and possibly Sherrick McManis. Everyone else flat out sucked—and the coaches were worse than the players. All the intensity that we were supposed to have gathered with Cushing and Pollard back led to nothing, and all the offensive fire power we were supposed to have got rolled by a superior game plan and a lack of adjustments. There’s no reason to find a scapegoat; the whole team is your scapegoat.

And can someone please sign a fucking kick returner. Thanks.

by riversmccown on Oct 11, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

The only reason I wrote it

is cause everyone is so quick to rip the defense. The offense? They’re juggernaut. They’ll bounce back. They always get the free pass despite playing like ass.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Offense

Sucked – true – Like Rivers said – everyone sucked!

I still say the team as a whole came out with a ho hum attitude like – “well we gotta play football for 3 hours to get our paycheck.”

The Giants played well, take nothing from them – but contrast this with the cowturds game – they got beat but at least they played the game well.

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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 11, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone was quick to rip the defense

Because the defense has been the worser of the two units throughout the Kubiak era. It’s a convenient narrative when you are emotional and not taking a look at the full game.

Oh, and it comes out pretty easily when a team gives up 21 straight points and looks completely clueless doing so. Yeah, the offense put them in bad spots, that doesn’t excuse letting the Giants have as many TD’s on the first four series as they had third downs.

by riversmccown on Oct 11, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was something that pissed me off.

Someone said that we held the Giants to a 36% 3rd down conversion rate. BUT HOW MANY TIMES DID THEY GET PUT INTO A THIRD DOWN????

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

14 times they were put in 3rd down.

More than the Texans actually.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Counting stats are fun

Of course, the Giants also had 15 more first downs than the Texans, giving them many more chances to get to third down again.

by riversmccown on Oct 11, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

And it can go in reverse....

if that offense wanted to show up then I’m sure we all would’ve appreciated it.

Everything’s to blame…but the offense needs to wake up. The offense was predictable.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its not a stat I've ever seen,,,,

But what was the 1st Down and 2nd Down conversions? (How many times did they get a first down on 1st or 2nd downs)

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have ALWAYS wondered this.

Third down conversion %‘s don’t mean much if they don’t ever get put in a 3rd down conversion. But then again that would show in that stat as well…0/0 on 3rd down conversions could be pretty telling.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Oct 11, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please Durga let it be...

Slaton is reserved for his assigned role of swing passes and screens and Jacoby takes over the role of return man. Hell at this point I wouldn’t mind giving Dickerson a crack at it.

by FreeRange on Oct 11, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Put McCain as KR, & get Slaton involved in the passing game

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't get

Behind this line of thinking. Frank Bush deserves everything bad that happens to him.

by JimboTexan on Oct 11, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol rec'd

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

the team is the reflection of the coach, no excuses

look at the saints coach and look at their team, look at coach billichick and look at the team, look at coach sporano and then look at the dolphins, look at coach smith and then look at the falcons… now look at kubiak and then look at the team, its all related.. thats where you look first, the talent on this team is great (except CB)

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you there.

The whole team came out flat. I saw NO enthusiasm the ENTIRE game.

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by texanslady on Oct 12, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bright side of living elsewhere in Texas

All the radio talk this morning has been about the cowgirls’ shortcomings, not the Texans’. Gives me some perspective, and makes it a lot easier to come to terms with the Texans game on my own rather than having it shoved down my gullet. It’s incredibly fun to hear irrational cowboys fans (are there any other kind?) call in and complain.

by BigTexBD on Oct 11, 2010 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I think I'm glad I don't have to listen to the cowgirls' fans

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by texanslady on Oct 12, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about Cush?

Sorry to say he did not look like the same player. Was never at the point of attack. Looks like he went the Clay Mathews route and tried to work on speed and some explosion. Couple times he over-pursued horribley bad , but it was impressive how fast he initially got to the other side of the field .

by Cokemachine44 on Oct 11, 2010 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

He hadn't played in a month

He looked much better in the second half. Just needed some warm-up time.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

This.

The difference between Cushing blitzing and any other LB on our team blitzing was like night and day. He hit Eli hard two or three times and forced some floaters.

Put him in a competitive, back-and-forth game, and I have no doubt that he’ll continue to make big plays.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those are the only 2 plays that I can think of off the top of my head that he was directly involved in, I finally got a DVR so now I can record games and go back at look at specifics in the future.

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was blitzed fairly often (off the top of my head)

In the second half, he got there. In the first half, he didn’t.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didnt Deihl go out right before the second half with an injury?

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

He got to Eli on their first TD drive and forced a floater

Unfortunately, David Boss has the type of awareness that nobody in our secondary has, and it turned into a 20-yard catch.

Should have been a pick, that one.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's Kevin Boss

Not David

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Oct 12, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was in many more than that....

off the top of my head I would say he was coming out of the bottom of a pile of players about 80%-85% of the time.

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by txknight on Oct 11, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

And to think......

I drove down from Dallas for the worst game of the year…..Take a guess how the ride home was. The wifey is still trying to figure out how I managed not to say one word for 31/2 hours. The best thing about turning on the dvr is to see if I made it on TV. Fuckin Texans!!!! “I hate yo love these guys sometimes”

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by The Abrego on Oct 11, 2010 10:04 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

(For not saying a word while trapped in the car)

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh, yeah

 I was thinking your wife was probably lucky that you kept quiet. ;-)

by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

dam....

sorry you drove out here jacked to see your guys in person only to lay an egg, that sucks man

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by HB23 on Oct 11, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I had the same thought yesterday TDC

I first brought it up a couple of weeks ago, but the passing game just seems out of sync. I know OD and AJ haven’t been 100%, but that doesn’t change the fact the Schaub has never looked settled in. We know what Schaub is capable of, and we are basically running the same system, but after five weeks to get in sync you have to start to question if Dennison has had a negative affect on our passing game.

Schaub has faced a lot of pressure from the Giants and Cowboys, and I’m sure that affected him, but even in the great win against the Colts Schaub didn’t look great…it wasn’t until the second half when they started feeding Foster that we were able to take control of the game.

He missed open WR on multiple occasions yesterday, sometime without any pressure that should have affected him. He just doesn’t look completely comfortable, and since we know what he can do I have to put some of the blame on Dennison.

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by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Totally agree with this.

Schaub seems to be a worse passer now that he has a legitimate running game.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 11, 2010 10:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe we are missing Shanny

more then we expected.

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I said this in the Post Game thread

I have no idea why Schaub seems so uncomfortable in the pocket but even on 3 step drops he’s hanging on to the ball too long. Can the change to Dennison really be the problem? I watched the Redskins game yesterday and Baby Shan called 6 straight passes in overtime but they were 3-5 step drops and McNabb dumped the ball as soon as he hit the last step. Maybe we need to emphasize getting rid of the ball sooner. I am unhappy with the way that we seem unwilling or unable to take advantage of our opponents weaknesses on both sides of the ball.

by Draco on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I expect little to nothing from Bush

but Kubiak needs to step in and make some adjustments on offense. The playcalling has simply sucked this year.

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

The OFFENSE

was offensive.

The Super Bowl is in Dallas, and an AFC team HAS to go. Why not the Texans?

by Christopher Allen on Oct 11, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to admit that the offensive play-calling...

lacks some (how shall I put it?) “imagination” at times. They seem to get into a rut with what they are doing and refuse to adapt to the adjustments that the other team’s defense is making.

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by texanslady on Oct 12, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i watched the dvr

and let me say to all

DELETE IT!!!! act like it didnt happen, and if we are 4-2 after next week then thats where i thought we would be

by AllenOU on Oct 11, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

My thoughts so far

I’ve been worried about our offensive coordinator since we played Dallas. Against Dallas we found ourselves with a 1st and goal from inside the 1 yard line. Dallas stacked the box with all 11 and we ran it up the gut for a loss. The exact same thing happened on 2nd down and I found myself why those plays were called with one of the most dynamic and prolific offenses on the field. From inside the 1 I would have spread the field with an empty backfield and ran a keeper up the middle. Or a naked bootleg keeper. Or a fade to Johnson. Or a quick out to Daniels. Any of these things. But our o-coordinator ran it up the gut into 11 players TWICE! He just doesn’t seem to have a clue.

Not only does our return team not threaten to return kickoffs for TDs, we’ve been doing good to get the ball to the 20 yard line on a consistent basis. When Slatton ran the ball out of bounds on the 1 yard line a few games ago I wanted to kill him. Put Johnhon in and tell him to fair catch everything in the end-zone if Slatton doesn’t show a reason why he should be on the field.

And if we drafted Kareem Jackson because he was the “most NFL ready” I’d have to see what a CB who was less ready would look like. This guy is getting killed every single week and looks to be getting worse. He is costing us dearly on the field. We can’t get off the field because I, from my couch at home, are closer to the receiver than Jackson is when the ball is thrown. Honest to God I don’t think we could do much worse with a cardboard cutout subbed in for Jackson.

In summary, our offensive and defensive coordinator and our special teams coach coupled with sloppy performances from just about everyone on the roster save a few (we all know who these few are) are not only going to cost Texans fans our first post-season birth, but they’re also going to cost Kubiak his job as well.

by texansguy on Oct 11, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

You speak the truth!

And I hate to be a total downer, but aside from the Colts game, which Texans game has inspired faith? The 2 narrow wins over average teams? Or the 2 embarrassing losses?

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by jagur12 on Oct 11, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah the Redskins totally suck hard

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course the Eagles and Packers also suck since they lost to them right?

right?

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh.

Do you recall two years ago? When we constantly turned the ball over in the red-zone, and everyone bitched at Kubiak for not running the ball?

Also, Schaub can not throw a fade. Nor has the naked bootleg worked for us at all.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I saw people calling for more bootlegs but every one I saw was not successful. Seemed like the Giants sniffed it out every time and had a defender going after Schaub on the boot.

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Playcalling

Has sucked all year. Sometimes we got lucky – like when a team does a “give up draw” on 3rd and 18 and Foster made it once.

In response to the article the Offense did suck – played flat and often it seemed teh Shaub didn’t have a check-down target. 2 times I noticed he just missed seeing the open guy who was closest to him – maybe his eyes were not down field this game.

Everything sucked for sure, but really in the 2nd half the defense was stepping up – the offense never did.

We should use Casey as a kick returner – all the talk about him, yet they don’t like to actually play him. (no I am not kidding)

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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 11, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with your statement about using Casey as a kick returner.

He certainly couldn’t do any worse than what we are getting now from the current attempters.

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by texanslady on Oct 12, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

coaches loss

after watching the Longhorns for the last 10 years and the Texans since 2002 I see the same issues . Teams full of talent and coaches that don’t know how to make adjustments or game plan. Both offense coordinators stick with the same game plan from start to finish no matter who they are playing. ( can we put down the PlayStation and watch some film)
Dennison & Davis must have went to the same school. I blame this loss on the coaches.

And for the life of me I cant understand why we cant get pressure on the quarterbacks. Do we know how to BLITZ?!?!?!?!. This would help our rookies from getting burned on every play. NO MORE COVER 2 zone / prevent. This does not work in today’s NFL. Isn’t that what we did back when Buffalo came back on the Oilers.The only thing that does is prevent us from winning.

by TEXANinAUSTIN on Oct 11, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Man Coverage

Seems like a lot of our secondary’s trouble came when the expected over the top help wasn’t there or someone was not in their assigned zone. Man coverage would almost instantly solve that issue.

Also our secondary looked best when blitzing and getting pressure on the passer, again leaving our db’s in man coverage. Yeah I understand that leads to big plays but since we are getting torched anyway I’m voting for the gamble.

by FreeRange on Oct 11, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Blah! misclick.. WTB edit button

I was asking if our offense has been showing less variations than in the past.

Assmass alone does not a NT make.

by kaizer on Oct 11, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Three things stand out for me

And, credit where it’s due, these have already been brought up by other commenters (Draco, for one).

Schaub not confident. Inability to better integrate screens, etc., to slow down opposing defenses. When you fall behind by 21, you have to go to the air.

Losing Brown hurts, too. Butler was just abused yesterday. And what has happened to Winston?

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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 11, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

First time I've ever missed Duane Brown.

On that first screen pass, he was lugging down the field and OD ran right into the back of him there. Brown isn’t good at much, but he knows how to get downfield. He probably would have sprung OD for 25 more there.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seems like

Butler is better in pass protection and Duane Brown is better in run blocking and screens

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

To all commenters

I think I agree with everything above :-)

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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 11, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Creativity

We need it; our offense doesn’t seem to have as much fun as it did last season. Baby Shan was a loose cannon last year, and I think we need a spark like that. You all know what I’m talking about with the constant bootleg where you get off your seat and know something special is going to happen.

I’m with DC on the screens. With an aggressive team like that, you gotta be able to keep them honest. This year has been especially frustrating, probably more than other years because of expectation.

Ah, well… here’s to passing ALL DAY against the Chiefs……. yeah, right.

by BRBUSAFTexan on Oct 11, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Ok so....

I drank enough of my bleach and Blue moon cocktail that i don’t remember yesterday at all… I would like to keep it that way so i have ESPN, and any site showing the score and stats from yesterdays game blocked…. I just want to believe we had our bye week and we are coming in rested!

I heard Brian Cushing like to do it with girls in a really uncomfortable place and i am not talking about the back seat of a Volkswagen
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Oct 11, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Shock top kicks blue moons ass

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh i agree but out of all the beers on tap

at granny’s Blue moon is the one i will drink along with High life bottles because me spending 2 dollars .005% goes to the troops.

I heard Brian Cushing like to do it with girls in a really uncomfortable place and i am not talking about the back seat of a Volkswagen
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by Taco Joe on Oct 11, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its ok jo

just remember we are 3-2. We can still do this!

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have faith we can pull this out of our ass...

i just don’t want to see spankings like this for the rest of the year.

I heard Brian Cushing like to do it with girls in a really uncomfortable place and i am not talking about the back seat of a Volkswagen
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Oct 11, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You want to hear something funny.

Jason babin yes if you are a true texan fan you know of him, has a half sack more over Mario and also plays for none other the Tits. I cannot wait to run striaght to his side.

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Ya he only rushes the passer

and their Dline is much deeper than ours. But their 1st rounder is done for the year and by all accounts was not doing much. But ya we should run at him all day

by Draco on Oct 11, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just rushes the passer?

He has 22 tackles, four for a loss. I saw him take down Felix Jones in the backfield on a great play yesterday. I think it was just laziness on the part of our coaches to assume he couldn’t play the 4-3. The guy has too much physical talent, and he’s having a great season all-around right now.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

his main playing time comes in passing formations

and he is one of many rotating lineman for a extremely deep Titans dline, he is a liability in run support, I have nothing personal against him but to act like he’s a feared playmaker due while leaving out the fact that he gets to rotate out every other series and has some good players playing next to him. Mario people game-plan for and teams don’t run to his side, He plays next to Amobi, who is not a Jason Jones or Antonio Smith (when he moves inside)who is more of a block eater at DT. Can Mario play better absolutely, but if we had better DT’s playing next to him or any real other pass rushing threat we would see more impact plays from Mario and the Dline in general.

by Draco on Oct 11, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kareem Jackson

I am a little bit confused at the fact that I woke up this morning and didn’t see “Breaking News: Kareem Jackson found dead” on the crawl. And by “a little bit confused”…I mean… “extremely disappointed”.

by arianbrotherhood on Oct 11, 2010 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

awww cut the guy some slack

there’s ALOT to learn about all the various offenses coming our way. There are 31 other teams and we’ll get to see a fraction of them this year.
3 teams that we see twice this season
2 x colts
2 x jaguars
2 x titans

sooo that leaves us with 16-3 = 13 new offenses for Kareem Jackson to get ready for this season.

We’ve only seen 5 of the 13 . . not even halfway through all the new chapters, “come on, man!”
;-) cut the n00b some slack.

by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

What BRF said

Also, we have not put him in a situation to succeed. As a coach, your primary job is to do everything you can for your players to excel. We’ve failed KJax more than he’s failed us.

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by bigfatdrunk on Oct 11, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

and as good as Nick Saban is, as good as Mack Brown is

Neither of those two can fully prepare a player for NFL caliber work.
And let’s not kid ourselves about the former USC coach either, the Jets quarterback had a pretty solid team backing him up he wasn’t anything incredibly great out of the starting gate.

Heck, even the Texans coaches couldn’t prepare the whole team for what the Giants brought down upon us. If the coaches weren’t prepared, how can we expect the players to be prepared? Who is supposed to know the most about the game? the players or the coaches?

by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Must.....hide.....thoughts....
as good as Mack Brown is

.

Can’t do it….Mack Brown does not develop players at all. He is able to recruit insane talent, but players that go to tu come out playing at the same level they went in.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Oct 11, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm there would have been a time when I'd have been upset at that thought

but you may be right. I have noticed that it seems like quite a number of UT grads don’t transition well to the NFL. I thought it was personal flaws ;-) not the flaws of Mack Brown’s system.

But for example, USC isn’t regularly churning out tons of Brian Cushings. Cushing is a one of a kind.

However, Ricky Williams, Vince Young, Roy Williams all took time to finish developing into productive players so you may be onto something.

Would you then be arguing that those same players under Nick Saban or the former USC coach would have been ready sooner? Because I think they are definitely NFL caliber talent.

=) I don’t know enough about the records to argue really. I’ll have to defer to your expertise.

BUT I would like to also suggest that maybe Mack Brown is very good at playing to a person’s strengths. So he just let’s their natural development run its course. Maybe Mack Brown doesn’t try to mold someone into something they are not.

I actually love this one thing about Mack Brown, he lets the kids have fun and wants them to remember to go out and have fun while playing the game. The college years won’t come back and they should get to enjoy themselves to some degree.

It’s maybe a slightly different atmosphere than treating college football as vocational ed for future NFL players and you’re here to work. . . .I mean these guys have schoolwork , family, relationships.

I think it’s telling that players like Colt McCoy would talk about stuff like “if I”m not having fun then I shouldn’t be doing it." I think it would be bad for a player to burn out on a sport before they even go pro.

by BattleRedFan on Oct 12, 2010 4:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's not

Let anyone hog the failure here. I think there’s enough to go around.

by JimboTexan on Oct 11, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It took the best corners in this league two-three YEARS to get to the level they are playing at. Revis, Cromartie, Asgmha (whatever),etc...

None of those guys were shutdown rookies.

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by TexansForever on Oct 11, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey buddy

why not try using your brain. Wilson and Haden have both played worse then him. If you are gonna go after anyone go after the coaches for putting KJ in that situation. Corners almost ALWAYS struggle in their rookie year.

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know one thing though

I’d rather have KJ in rather than wilson

by Ivan A on Oct 11, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

All the stats and stories ive seen

have put Jackson at the top so far over Haden, Wilson and McCourty.

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a depressing feeling

to know that the absolute ceiling of this team still isn’t Super Bowl good. As long as we believe that small offensive linemen and centers are appropriate personnel to use in this era of the NFL, we will continue to get blown up by teams with elite defensive linemen (who are now huge and fast). As long as we have to deal with teams like the Steelers, Ravens, Jets, etc. this team will never reach a Super Bowl under this regime.

by goingforthecorner on Oct 11, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Completely agree

The Giants played good defense, but we played like dogshit on offense. I can think of three dropped passes that would have gone for first down – New York had nothing to do with that. I remember seeing guys look open that Schaub didn’t. It was just a piss-poor performance from the offense. And like you said, you can’t really fault a defense who can’t get off the field.

by cubic on Oct 11, 2010 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

What I think went wrong

New York outplayed us in every facet. Period. I don’t really want to think about everything that went wrong because it’s easier just to say everything. As soon as Schaub threw that pick after that big 48 yard gain to Johnson, I knew it was over. There’s usually a point in a Texans loss where you can see the wheels come off and it was right there. Congrats to Giants fans this week for a great performance. You beat us badly and we deserved every agonizing second of that game.

by SubCrim on Oct 11, 2010 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

As I listen to the press conference...some offensive issues

Sounds like the team panicked at 21-0 in the 1st quarter. They went to all passes despite having 45 minutes left to play.

Houston doesn’t allow Schaub to audible at the line really…..so he doesn’t adjust to blitzes.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 3:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Kubiak has explained this before

His reasoning behind it was that he takes a big picture view of the game, and they call certain plays to set up plays down the road…in simplified terms he’s willing to take getting stuffed on a running play to set up the play action down the road. He’s also said that just about all of their plays have a built in safety net to counter a blitz.

Not saying that is right or wrong, just how I have heard Kubiak explain why he doesn’t let the QB change much at the line.

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by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love him or hate him

He always take the blame like a man.

“its On me” – Gary k.

by Ivan A on Oct 11, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

That seriuosly doesn't bother me

I know it sucks for the reporters, or anyone trying to glean useful information from his pressers. I’m definitely tired of hearing the same old “it’s on me” speeches, but I’m sure the players appreciate it. He could go into the presser and blast the players/staff, and that might even help occasionally, but eventually it’s just going to result in players and staff tuning him out. I’m sure things are much different in the film room away from outsiders.

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by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not bothered by the non-answer either.

I am bothered that he keeps having things to fix, because that tells me he’s not doing a good job of seeing the problems in advance.

by riversmccown on Oct 11, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully this last loss will serve as a wakeup call

that he and his staff need to do a better job at doing their homework.

by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't that happen...

To every team in the NFL several times per season?

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's happening to a lot of teams this season

San Diego, New Orleans, Dallas, Minnesota, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Green Bay, Houston….

The league’s pretty wide open and inconsistent. No team seems willing to go out and dominate.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its strange

I dont think I can remember a season like this where no team is dominating

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly....

I mean, surf around SBN….and a lot of these teams sound alike. Parity is at an all-time high.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess we can all be thankful

that we arent 49er fans…..When you start cheering “We want Carr, We want Carr.” Your season is in bad shape

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

so I am a bit confused

as bad as this game was, was it

a) flawless execution of a bad game plan?
b) flawed execution of a good game plan?
c) flawed execution of a flawed game plan?

option c sounds the worst and good heavens I hope that’s the least likely of the 3.

the abundance of penalties sounds like flawed execution . . . .of a good game plan?

what does it say when I’m hoping it was flawed execution of a good game plan?

by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Well this is how i figure it

If it was a good game plan, then there is no way our talented team fails to execute that many times, so B is out.

If it was a bad game plan with flawless execution, again with the talent on this team they wouldve shown some glimmers of hope but they didnt. So A is out.

By process of elimination is C

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are overvaluing some of our "talent"

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by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our team is not so talented that they can't blow a good gameplan.

See both Indy games last year.

However, this week and against Dallas, it was most certainly C.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not saying we are talented enough to overcome any mistake, no team is that talented. However with the talent we do have we shouldve seen some semblance of quality play. If they were inconsisent I could understand the players blowing the gameplan but we were consistently bad this week.

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

We do have some good talent in some areas

…but we still are very week in certain areas. Safeties and LB’s in coverage for one (it’s really too early to say on Troy Nolan, but the early returns are he’s not Wilson and that’s a good thing). I think the corners have “talent” but they are still young and haven’t made the transition from talented young player to good NFL player.

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by papabear on Oct 12, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would go with a flawed execution of a mediocre game plan

I saw what appeared to be obvious mistakes of what should have been fairly simple assignments. I don’t think Bush’s game plan would have shut down many teams, but at the same time their were too many huge mistakes that if corrected, maybe keep us in the game long enough for the offense to get going.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHAT!?!?
Bush’s game plan

Frank Bush doesnt need a game plan. Zone is all that exists, there is nothing else.

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get the joke. it's funny.

We do run more zone than anything…but if you really believe that the only thing we ever run is straight Cover 2 zone then you are mistaken. We’ve played more press coverage (both in zone and man) this year than last. Some straight man coverage. Last week Pollard was on the line jamming the TE in the second half. Saw a few zone blitzes yesterday. Yes, we run a ton of cover 2 zone…but if that’s the only thing you can come up with to critique Bush then you might as well critique a good portion of defensive coordinators in the NFL. There’s plenty of things to not like about Bush without just parroting the angry mob mentality of “ZONE IS BAD”.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know but

He probly does it the worst of all the other DCs. I still hate the cushion he has the DBs give WRs

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can think of a few things I dont like about Frank Bush

1) As stated the CB-WR cushion
2) He Rarely blitzes more than 1 extra guy
2A) When he does blitz with more than one guy its painfully obvious where the blitz is coming from
3) Lack of adjustments, he never seems to adjust to way things are going in game

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

but I keep going back to the last 4 games of the 2009 season

those were the results of adjustments too.
you may have something on adjustments within/during a game but he DID make successful adjustments to achieve success in those last 4 games

I don’t think those last 4 games of 2009 were an anomaly. I think that’s the way that the REAL Texans can play.

I can’t address the predictability issue though. Just wanted to point out the last 4 games of the 2009 season as evidence of adjustments that worked.

by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im by no means a defensive guru or anywhere close

I just go with the eyeball test. I figure if I can tell where the blitz is coming from then so can the opposing QB

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

=) eyeball test works for me

I know I have huge gaps in my football knowledge. So eyeball test it is then ;-).
Like I can’t look at the field and see a blitz coming. But I’m just not that advanced in my viewing skills.

Just this past weekend I printed out the roster from BRB so that I can figure out who all these players are. AND I printed out the schedule so I can see who we play next. I put the two of those (front and back) in a paper protector that I can keep near the TV set =).

by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

so is that a more "optimistic" way to say answer C

where “flawed” could be replaced with “mediocre” interchangeably?
or would you call that option d?

by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

but as pathetic as my knowledge of football is

 I do understand problem solving and troubleshooting.
This is why I thought it was important to isolate where we were going wrong.

Execution or Game plan. (or some combination of both)

my take on the distribution of responsibility

game plan: that’s the coaching staff’s responsibility
execution: that’s the player’s responsibility
discipline: 51% coaches / 49% split between players and coaches responsibility

You’ll hear people say “well the coaches can’t go out and play the game for the players” that’s absolutely true. But we also hear people talking about players “doing their job” which implies that there are goals and expectations that someone else gives them. . . presumably the coaches.

If there’s a clear chain of command, then responsibility becomes much easier to isolate. If we have coaches stepping on each others’ toes then it becomes murkier for all. And yet there are probably going to be grey scenarios where a clear chain of command will be hard to comprehend. To the extent that the Texans can minimize the grey scenarios or plan for the grey scenarios they will get better.

I’m thinking that the coaches are still ironing out how to work with each other and the players. Just like these past 5 games have been a huge learning curve for certain rookies, the new coaches or old coaches in new positions are having to work out the kinks (I hope).

Hopefully the team (counting players and coaching staff as the team) is smart enough to figure out where stuff is breaking down and hopefully they are humble enough to work out solutions

=) communication will become their best weapon if they choose to use it.

by BattleRedFan on Oct 11, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should call geek squad

I think they could come and help troubleshoot

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Troy Williamson anybody cause david anderson is not scaring anybody.

Yes we all like the guy and he is scrappy but serious there are a lot of players at home who will be better. Know this has nothing to do with the subject at hand but DA as our punt returner c’mon man.

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Someone asked Gary about trades and FAs during the presser....

Barring injury, Gary says he is going to play with the 53 he’s got.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

he has to say that

but if Bob and rick says change is coming they will do it.

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, let me say I was wrong......

From the guys at Texans Bull Blog via Adam Caplan: The Texans are working out WR/KR Dexter Jackson today.

Will they sign the guy with 4.3 speed? Who knows? But at least they’re working out a returner.

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by TexansDC on Oct 11, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

they are always going to say that

…and then the next day they will have street free agents in for a look. Fact is very few street FA’s this time of year have much of an impact. Despite the Moss situation, trades are very rare too.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Oct 11, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will Demps

Resents this statement, is available for modeling shoots and/or poor safety play.

by JimboTexan on Oct 11, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The sad thing was how big an upgrade Demps was at the time

Pollard is probably the exception that proves the rule….but we’re seeing how big of a liability he is in coverage now, so the shine has worn off a little.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Oct 12, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just looking at stuff cause i hate to lose.

2011 Free agents who do we keep who do we let go?
Bernard pollard, Matt turk,Zac Diles,Kasey Stuudard, mike Brisel, Rashard Butler,Owen Daniels,Jacoby Jones,Vonat Leach,Matt Leinhart.

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Pollard, Diles, Turk, Butler, OD (if price is reasonable and he returns to form), Vontae and Maybe Jacoby, depends on if he can improve his receiving skills this year. I do think we can find a better WLB than Diles but we have bigger issues at FS and DT.

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

OD will be re-signed

He is solid enough to come back, but not playing good enough to demand a high price.

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That may end up being a good thing

We can keep him, sign him for cheap then have him get back to old times. If we are lucky.

by Biggity B on Oct 11, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Going to be intresting i think OD will look somewhere else.

KC let Pollard go for whatever reason, is it because he can not cover who know?

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Help is on the way

The San Diego Chargers have added tackle Marcus McNeill to the active roster and released cornerback Fred Bennett and safety C.J. Spillman.

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 4:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Here are some telling stats from the game.

My answers seem a little to the NFL game stats, I think it is because I count a successful down if a TD is scored. So correct me if I am wrong.

So the Success rate is if they made the line to gain. By making a first down or a TD.

NY Giants:
1st Down: 9/33 = 27% Success Rate
2nd Down: 9/25 = 36% Success Rate
3rd Down: 715 = 46% Success Rate
4th Down: 0/4 = 0% Success Rate (4 punts)

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

So...

On a quarter of 1st downs, they gained 10 yards or scored.
On a third of 2nd downs, they made the yards they needed to, or scored.

So, third down conversions are a little misleading here, we didn’t stop them on 1st or 2nd down for 3rd down conversions to be meaningful.

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

ehhh

 did you mean

3rd Down: 7/15 = 46% Success Rate
? because otherwise that number isn’t making sense in the context that I’m reading.

by BattleRedFan on Oct 12, 2010 4:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, it was a typo

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 12, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a thought Detroit have two young corners themselves.

chris houston and jonathan wade. Both of them will be free agents next year would you make trade for either one of them.

by southpaw70 on Oct 11, 2010 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Duh

I know it wasn’t Kareem on his own, I just get tired of watching whoever he is defending score touchdowns. What I AM sick of, is Kubiak saying, “It’s on me.”…..well, of course it is. It’s his fault we were penalized on every kick/punt. It’s his fault we come to some games under prepared. I, personally, don’t give a shit that he went to A&M and is home grown, blah blah blah. He needs to instill discipline in this team. They aren’t physical, and they are getting bullied by teams in their own stadium.

The positive outlook is this: No one is running away with this thing. We could go into the bye week 4-2 and be in a great position. So, I am not going to curl into fetal position and suck my thumb yet. BUT, the coaching staff needs to do a little more homework for the sake of the team COUGH FRANK BUSH COUGH.

Also, it wouldn’t help Matt Schaub to develop a pump fake. You know…after five passes being deflected at the line, you would think that someone would have offered him that suggestion COUGH GARY KUBIAK COUGH.

Okay, I’m done.

by arianbrotherhood on Oct 11, 2010 6:26 PM CDT reply actions  

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

okie dokie

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by nolander on Oct 11, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, I just remembered something from my drunken stupor that pissed me off.

Why wasn’t a block-in-the-back called on their muffed punt?

Do the rules not apply on a fair catch? Because there’s a good chance that if our coverage guy doesn’t get shoved out of the play there, he’s first in line to recover that ball.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Covering officials are probably focusing on the PR

Its just one of those situations where it is bad timing. the officials want to make sure you don’t get any Kick catch interference. So you don’t necessarily see a block in the back on the gunners.

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by distant_texans_fan on Oct 11, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was so close to him, though.

Our guy was literally three feet from the returner, and a Giants’ player gave him a blatant shove in the back.

by Nashmeister on Oct 11, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep I was pretty upset at that

It happened literally right in front of the official

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by papabear on Oct 12, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a conspiracy !!!!!! ;-)

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by texanslady on Oct 12, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

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