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Taking Stock: Gary Kubiak's Season So Far

 

Always keep Ithaca in your mind.
To arrive there is your ultimate goal.
But do not hurry the voyage at all.
It is better to let it last for many years;
and to anchor at the island when you are old,
rich with all you have gained on the way,
not expecting that Ithaca will offer you riches.

Ithaca has given you the beautiful voyage.
Without her you would have never set out on the road.
She has nothing more to give you.

And if you find her poor, Ithaca has not deceived you.
Wise as you have become, with so much experience,
you must already have understood what Ithacas mean.

-Kavafy

Before the season started, I wrote a thought-piece on Gary Kubiak that laid out exactly where I hoped Kubiak would lead the team.  Back then we were all jonesing for some football.  Football season is in full swing now, and we have a pretty decent sample size from which to judge Gary's performance so far, so now is as good a time as any to look at that piece in light of what has happened so far this season and maybe take a stab at what to expect for the remaining ten games.

How about we do some double-dutch and hop across the jump, mmmkay?

Star-divide

Way back in July, I came up with six things I wanted to see Kubes do this season that would move me out of the Fire Kubes camp and onto the I Want To Name All My Kids Kubes (Even The Girls) bandwagon.  I'll go ahead and recap them here:

1) Be more hands-on with the defense.

2) Don't be afraid to mix it up.

3) Don't mash square pegs into round holes.

4) Learn how to coach with a sense of urgency today, tomorrow and forever.

5) Beat the Colts and Jags at least once and go Voldemort on the Titans.

6) Stop finding new and cruel ways to lose.

So, how did he do?  Let's go down the list:

1) Be more hands-on with the defense. After considering this item for approximately 1.98620897908765 seconds, I have concluded: No.  Not just no, but hell-to-the-sweet-droppings-of-Durga no.  I think it's fair to say that the only possible, realistic evaluation of this item terms it nothing short of a complete pile of stinking, festering, gangrenous failure.  Am I being too mild here?  Fortunately for me (and my delicate constitution) this topic has been beaten to death by other members of this board and I will leave it at that.  Except to say that our defense makes me feel enough hatred that, if I were a Jedi, I would have joined the dark side and pillaged a thousand planets after watching Matt Cassel put up a passer rating almost 50 points higher than his career average against us.  Ok, I'm done now.

2) Don't be afraid to mix it up. As much as I think Kubes failed on number one, I have to give him decent marks on number two, at least on the offensive side of the ball.  In fact, perhaps we're guilty of mixing it up too much, such as when we tried consecutive run plays on second and 20 and third and 20 deep within our own territory or tried to throw it on third and two.  Nonetheless, we haven't seen nearly as many bizarre decisions in the red zone (i.e., handing the ball to Chris Brown three straight times) and our red zone offense is pretty good as a result.  Having Arian Foster helps too, of course, as does having Derrick "Melting Glacier" Ward.

On defense, however, I think we've again failed to do this enough.  Defensively we did some good things against the Colts, to the point where Peyton had to burn timeouts to get his play call right.  Unfortunately, we kind of fell off after that and resorted to more vanilla schemes.  It got so bad that quarterbacks could simply close their eyes and throw a somewhat lofted ball to the soft spot in the zone (you know the one, about fifteen yards downfield right by the sideline) or, in case the receiver headed that direction fell down or had hysterical laughing fits at the thought of being covered by Kareem Jackson, take a deep breath, count to 73, and hit the tight end as he came back from his massage and dragged across the middle of the field.  

So, like so many things about this team, I give our offense a good grade and our defense... the finger.

3) Don't mash square pegs into round holes. Other than trying to turn a rookie cornerback into Darrelle Revis or Tim into a Chimay drinker, I suppose we haven't been too bad at this.  Oh, except for that one time when we thought that FRANK BUSH COULD ACTUALLY FUNCTION AS A HALFWAY DECENT DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR1111!!!!!!!ELEVENTYONE!!11!

4) Learn how to coach with a sense of urgency today, tomorrow and forever. The record shows that the Texans have four wins and two losses.  I think it is very clear that of the four wins, three of them came in large part because the Texans came out intense and turned that intensity into focus, with the Oakland win being a function of the fact that the Texans were simply far superior to the Raiders.  Two of those victories (Washington and KC) came about because Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson didn't really feel like losing at that particular moment in time and the defense decided to show up just enough to allow the offense to win the game for us.  And a certain amount of luck as well.

Our two losses, on the other hand, happened largely because the Texans just didn't show up.  So it's fair to say that the team has gotten better at playing with a sense of urgency, but could still stand to improve considerably in this aspect.

5) Beat the Colts and Jags at least once and go Voldemort on the Titans. So far, so good.  We'll see what the Monday Night Football game at Indy brings, but I'm not optimistic that we're going to beat Peyton in his house, Dallas Clark or no.  Additionally, we cannot take one single division game for granted.  It is entirely within the realm of possibility that we lose every single remaining game.  You think I'm kidding?  The Jags are looking like cellar dwellers yet again, but they swept us last year when they finished last in the division.  And Tennessee is looking scary good right about now, what with that cheapshotting gnarly defense, literate (and occasionally sober) quarterback and a wide receiver that apparently can catch passes thrown to him (that kind of wide receiver always seems to give us fits).  Good thing their running game sucks, huh?  Oh wait...

6) Stop finding new and cruel ways to lose. So far so good on this one.  Our two losses have been pretty mild as far as Texans losses go, meaning no puppies in my neighborhood have been kicked, all of our crockery remains intact, and no one has showed up at my house with a straight jacket.  I give Gary an A+ for this one.

Where does that leave us?  And what the hell is that damn poetry doing at the top of the article?

The point of the poem (full text here) is that the destination is less important than the journey taken to get there.  To make it about football, just substitute the words "Super Bowl" for "Ithaca."  Now there are some circumstances in which I think this is incorrect.  For example, I would take 16-0 and a Super Bowl victory if it meant our offense sucked but our defense was so good that we won each game in a boring 3-0 crapfest.  In that context, the destination is more important than the journey.

However, the team that I just described is not your 2010 Houston Texans.  As DisplacedTexan put it in a chat last week, this team is a team that is going to give us amazing highs and disturbing lows, and we just have to accept that about them.  A team that has the potential to put points on the board in a way that few NFL teams are capable of but that also has the potential to allow a Pop Warner team to score on it.  We're not going to dominate many, if any, teams this year.  But we will most likely win our share of shootouts because we are fortunate enough to have one of the top quarterbacks in the game throwing the ball to the game's best receiver.  

Our defense isn't going to miraculously get better like it did last year once we added Pollard and Cushing came into his own.  It's going to vary between being earth-shatteringly sucky to being just plain horrible.  And if our offense decides to take the day off, we'll have more games like we did against the Cowboys and Giants.  But when our offense decides to dominate, we're going to see more games like we did against the Redskins and Chiefs.  

And in the end, when we finish the season, we're either going to be witness to the first Texans playoff team in history or not.  I really don't know if the Texans will get there this year (my gut says we won't, but it's been wrong before.  By the way, anyone want to buy 1,000 Betamax players?) but I do know that we should never expect them to blow a team out.  We should, however, expect them to give us a hell of a ride.

Are y'all strapped in?

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I think it’s fair to say that the only possible, realistic evaluation of this item terms it nothing short of a complete pile of stinking, festering, gangrenous failure.

I understand the frustration with the defense. I am frustrated with the defense. As much as they suck, this team is 4-2. Objectively looking at this, the defense has made stops when we needed to.

Success in the NFL is measured in wins and losses, not stats. The defense must be improved, but it can never be described as a total failure through the first 6 weeks. If we had given up a score v. the Skins in OT, and/or not made the stop v. the Chiefs with 2:22 left, and/or let the Raiders tie it up on their final drive, then you would be correct that this defense is an utter stinking failure.

The offense didn’t show up in our 2 wins, but everyone is pointing to the defense as the REASON we suck (atop the division).

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 25, 2010 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

correction

The offense didn’t show up in our two LOSSES.

makes more sense.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 25, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree. The offense showed up, they just got handled by DEFENSE.

You HAVE to be able to rely on your defense to win you a few games. the offense just isn’t going to put up 35 a game, not in this league.

Mainly because other teams have this thing called “defense” that we have chosen to forgo in favor of “more time for our offense to score”. I still think that strategy isn’t going to work but that’s a topic for me and Frank to hash out at our weekly Hari Krishna Barbecue.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Oct 25, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

by that logic

our defense has shown up every game.

Our defense, imo, could not have won either of the games we lost. The offense simply did not perform. Our defense has played well enough to win 4 games. The offense has played well enough to win 4 games as well.

I don’t think Kubiak is "forgo"ing defense, nor is he taking their performance lightly. Its frustrating, and it will be tough, but I think with our defense as is, we can win 10 games this season. The team seems to find their way out of games the right way this year. I hope they keep it up.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 25, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is this ^ not goo'd?!

Heard a great sig line quote from Tim at a tailgate and can't remember it.

by LoneSpot on Oct 25, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

We've won games

And for that I’m profoundly happy.

However, it is entirely possible to have an all-world shitty defense and still win games with the offense we have. And you could make an argument that our defense benefited from a huge dose of luck in two of our victories – Cassel overthrowing an open tight end in the fourth quarter and Pollard’s FG block against the Redskins. Those two plays may well be the difference between 4-2 and 2-4.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 25, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh, no

Cassel overthrew a well-covered TE, who was not gonna catch the ball because of a surprisingly good play by our FS.

There are two sides to a play, an offense and a defense. Pollard blocked the FG to save the game on the defensive side of the ball.

And regardless if they got “lucky” or made the play, you cannot discount that the plays were made, both by starting members of our defense, both at absolutely critical times for our success.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 25, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we're going to have to agree to disagree

But I’ve looked at that play several times and the throw was there to be made. The TE was not nearly as well-covered as I first thought.

The thing is, we make tons of plays on offense and very few on defense. I don’t think that we can keep doing that if we want to be a playoff team, much less a serious contender.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 25, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

re #6

This is the most surprising thing this year.

This team seems to steal wins from lost games. A complete 180 from 2009, 2008, 2007, etc.

Excellent writeup, btw.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 25, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the kind words

Always appreciated.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 25, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

After seeing the Raiders

slam the Broncos with 59 points, I have a new appreciation for our team and the chaos that rules within the “any given Sunday” NFL. It actually makes our blow out losses pale in comparison. I’m going on a limb with this next statement, but here goes:

If we can beat Indy on MNF, and then get win at least one win vs each Titans and Jags and get into the playoffs, I won’t call for any coaches being fired. I’ll appreciate the improvement they have made overall. They are young, they have been banged up and poorly motivated/coached, but they are finding ways to win.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I will not!" ~ General Patton (should be Frank Bush's motto)

by MeMongo on Oct 25, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Part of me laughed inside

When I saw the final score of the Raiders-Broncos game. Because I dislike Josh McDaniels.

However, I consider myself sympathetic to the Broncos if for no other reason than Mike Clark has been our lucky charm for the last couple of years, and he’s a Broncos fan.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 25, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never saw that coming

they drafted Tebus!

Transitively, we now should mow through the tits:: Texans > Raiders > Broncos > tits.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 25, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

Oakland’s margin of victory v. the Broncos nullifies any value in that game.

Yeah, lets go with that.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 25, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

what is the current reciord

I heard Brian Cushing like to do it with girls in a really uncomfortable place and i am not talking about the back seat of a Volkswagen
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Oct 25, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

From Wikipedia

Most Points, Game, 72
Washington Redskins vs New York Giants (11/27/66)
73 – Chicago Bears vs Washington Redskins (12/9/40) (Championship Game)

Most Points, Both Teams, Game, 113
Washington Redskins (72) vs New York Giants (41) (11/27/66)

Most Points, Game, Super Bowl Era
62 – Jacksonville Jaguars (62) vs Miami Dolphins (7) – playoff game (1/15/00)
61 – Cincinnati Bengals vs (61) Houston Oilers (7) – regular season game (12/17/89)

Most Points, Both Teams, Game, Super Bowl Era, 106
Cincinnati Bengals (58) vs New York Giants (48) (11/28/04)

Most Points, Shutout Victory, Game, 66
Rochester Jeffersons vs Fort Porter (Not an APFA team) (10/10/20)
64 – Philadelphia Eagles vs Cincinnati Reds (11/6/34)
73 – Chicago Bears vs Washington Redskins (12/9/40) (Championship Game)

Most Points, Shutout Victory, Game, Super Bowl Era,
59 – New England Patriots vs Tennessee Titans (10/18/09)

by TSSaloic on Oct 25, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember that Bengals game

Sam Wyche had beef with Jerry Glanville (not exactly surprising) and ran up the score. He even called an onside kick in like the third quarter.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 26, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

fyp

Most Awesome Shutout Victory. Evar. Any Era
59 – New England Patriots vs tits (10/18/09)

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 26, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am interested in your theories

and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 25, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would love to see that happen...

…but after seeing this teams capacity to “let down”, if we miraculously beat the FiveHeads a second time, I will then begin agonizing over the BESFs because they look pretty beastly this year. Kenny Britt almost single-handedly took down my Fantasy team (THANK YOU HAKEEM NICKS!)

by DilloTex on Oct 25, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great post

but I will like anything with a Kavafy epigraph.

by cubic on Oct 25, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

For liking Kavafy.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 26, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...great post

Re#2 comment that “our red zone offense is pretty good as a result.” — I heard we were actually tops in the league in redzone efficiency (oh and 32nd on defense in the RZ) so in my view we’re better than pretty good. I cannot tell you how nice it’s been this year in that regard because that had to be about the most frustrating trait of this team the past couple years.

by TexanKevin on Oct 25, 2010 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

The Defense sucks....

but can likely hold most teams under 30,

When the Offense is clicking, or simply decides to play then they can score 30.

simply put….Offense score everytime you touch the ball and Defense get 1 , 3 and out.

GO TEXANS!!!!

Our time will come...

by Texanmaniac on Oct 25, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

"The Defense sucks.... but can likely hold most teams under 30,"

Only because the other team has run out of time by then.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Oct 25, 2010 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Hence the conservative approach.

Hell, if they blitzed more, odds are teams would score much more quickly against them. And while it’s easy to say, “well, the defense couldn’t get any worse”—look around the league for a second. Teams score a shit-ton of points these days. The most we have given up in an individual game is 34. This week, seven teams scored that or more. On the season, it has happened nearly thirty times so far.

A more aggressive defense might have been more disruptive. Then again, we could just as easily be 2-4. Count your blessings.

by Nashmeister on Oct 25, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

laughing... New Defensive strategy...

…exhaust their offense running up and down the field in the first half… then POUNCE!!!

by DilloTex on Oct 25, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at it this way

We have the 32nd ranked defense in the entire world. That’s not so bad. There are hundreds of defenses worse than ours.

This makes me feel better

by AllenOU on Oct 25, 2010 4:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

On point #1

I’m not disputing how bad our defense has been, but if the question is how hands on is Gary Kubiak with the defense do we really know the answer. I have no idea how much Gary is involved with the defense. I know he’s said he’s going to be more involved with the defensive side of thing in the past…but I have seen no indication if that has actually happened or not one way or the other.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Oct 25, 2010 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought the same thing

then reminded myself that I may not want to know the answer to that question.

If he is more involved this year, they are worse than they were last year when Kubiak left Bush alone (speculation).

There is some indication today, he personally moved Cush to MLB because he wanted to leave Zac where he can be most cost-effective.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 25, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

What we really don't know

is that Kubiak may just suck at coaching defense.

by Vega on Oct 26, 2010 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

which is why

he is perfectly placed, in his position of “Head Coach – Offense”

/oldjoke

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 26, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great Write up

I basically agree with what you are saying, though I don’t know that Kubes having “hands on” on the defense would be an improvement. Maybe Yes Maybe NO

The illogic of the NFL is that the #1 defense is a losing team – a bad losing team – so how they ranking that stuff ?

"I want you guys to pair up in groups of three and then line up in a circle." - Bill Peterson former Oilers Coach

by Barryfromtexas on Oct 25, 2010 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Yards allowed per game is how they rank defense

I’d be happy if the defense would improve in the red zone. That would be doing enough, IMO.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Oct 25, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean if instead of being a bend AND break defense

we where just a bendy defense? that would be great.

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by nolander on Oct 25, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

great evidence

stats don’t matter in the NFL as much as other sports.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Oct 25, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Eugene Wilson's case..

their trying to smash a grotesque and obtusely mis-shapen peg into a pin-sized whole..

by leacheatsbabies on Oct 25, 2010 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I totally agree...

….wait, is EWWWW the peg or the hole?

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by MeMongo on Oct 25, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

grotesque

that seems to describe ewwws play pretty well

by AlDe2356 on Oct 25, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

This morning I realized that I had totally forgotten about him. Probably intentionally.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 26, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wheres the monday night open thread?

"LoL
Why am I even wasting my time responding to a "Salad". Ugh. Yeah… shit team"

by Salad on Oct 25, 2010 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Here

Tony broken romo clavicle

by AllenOU on Oct 25, 2010 9:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

So. Is that near the labia?

Or is it a keyboard-like musical instrument?

by Nashmeister on Oct 25, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I must admit

that I ek-static about the posting of the first three lines of the Odyssey, in Greek no less! I am currently reading the Odyssey.

by Triple347 on Oct 25, 2010 10:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Here on BRB...

..we’re used to going from hubris to catharsis in a blink of an eye.

by Spektr6 on Oct 25, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know

I’ve been a member of BRB since right after the inception :).

by Triple347 on Oct 26, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Because you’re the first person that got it.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 26, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am a

Greek geek, I must admit (whose a Latin teacher, go figure). I took three years in college, though it was Koine, that is New Testament, Greek. I have been going back and trying to learn some Attic, Doric and Homeric Greek, as well. Do you know Greek?

by Triple347 on Oct 26, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh my

I’m sorry, but I’m a grammar Nazi, and I made an egregious mistake. That should not be whose, indicating possession, but who’s, a contraction.

by Triple347 on Oct 26, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I speak modern (demotic) Greek

Which is descended from medieval Greek, if I recall correctly. This means that only about one in five words used in Homeric Greek is understandable to me.

The ancient versions of Greek had hugely different vocabularies and were more inflective than modern Greek. For example, there is no real dative in modern Greek, though it has a slightly more prominent genitive. And it doesn’t have all those aspiratives. However, if I were to spend about six weeks learning the Homeric vocabulary, I could probably make it through the Epics pretty easily.

However, as a Latin speaker, you would probably find the grammar of Greek fairly easy to master. It’s about half as inflective as Latin (which has, if I recall correctly, five cases) and the alphabet is not that hard to master.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 26, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Attic and Koine

Greek both have 5 cases (there are some who say 8, but they are merely adding the locative and instrumental usages of the Dative case, as well as the ablative usage of the Genitive as cases). Latin has 6 cases, though the grammar of Greek and Latin are nearly identical (I had more Greek in college than Latin). As someone who only knows New Testament Greek, with all its variant Hebraisms, I find both Attic and Homeric Greek to be rather challenging, though Homeric much more so than Attic. The semitic alphabet of Greek is actually fairly easy once you master it. I know people who pronounce their Koine Greek as modern Greek, and I would love to learn modern pronunciation. This is one of my favorite websites, by the way: http://www.myriobiblos.gr/patrology_paterika_en.html

by Triple347 on Oct 26, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thing is

You couldn’t really have a conversation in Homeric Greek. It basically exists only in the Epics. Of the 7000 non-proper nouns in the Iliad and Odyssey, over 2000 are unique to Homer. So unless you wanted to talk about gods, fighting, slaves, concubines and the like, you couldn’t really talk about too much.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 27, 2010 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος
οὐλομένην, ἣ μυρί᾽ Ἀχαιοῖς ἄλγε᾽ ἔθηκε,
πολλὰς δ᾽ ἰφθίμους ψυχὰς Ἄϊδι προΐαψεν

by Triple347 on Oct 26, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

μῆνιν

That would be rage. As in, the rage of Ἀχιλῆος. As in, the opening lines of – for my money – the greatest work of literature ever created.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 26, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Classic example of the evolution of Greek

The Homeric Ἀχιλῆος is now the demotic Aχιλέας, or Aχιλέα in the the genitive.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 26, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am in

great agreement with you there. The sonorous songly natur eof the Iliad is simply amazing. That does mean rage, and it is a 3rd declension Accusative. Is that a 1st declension masculine spelling of Aχιλέας, if so, that is what it would have been with the ancients.

by Triple347 on Oct 26, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this a Cyber Gay Greek love affair?

you fancy pancy educated snobs and that goes for all you other snobby English majors and literary snobs.

i will misspell wards and use there, when i should use their and you will read it and like it. or you will sit there with your snobbish grin and think this guy is an idiot and you are so freaking smart b/c you can write better.

i’m sorry did i say that out loud…

great write up btw tgc

Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!

by Andre4000 on Oct 26, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

shut up

Or I will go Aχιλέας on your ass.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 27, 2010 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

As a football fan, I think you would appreciate the Iliad. It is like 100x more violent than Kill Bill.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 27, 2010 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm really not sure what the ancient version of Aχιλέας is

But my guess is Ἀχιλεύς because sometimes the ε is known to change to an ῆ when declining. But I can’t say for sure.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 27, 2010 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

For some reason....

I keep seeing “demotic” as “demonic”.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Oct 26, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are WITCHES

BURN THEM!!!!

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Oct 27, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got it was greek

figured it was the odyssey but unfortunately it was all greek to me… Bud dum shish

I heard Brian Cushing like to do it with girls in a really uncomfortable place and i am not talking about the back seat of a Volkswagen
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Oct 26, 2010 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

While the defense leaves much to be desired

Houston is 4-2, Dallas is 1-5.

My dream Super Bowl XLV: Houston 52, Dallas 3.

by 5stringJeff on Oct 26, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

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