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Wherein Frank Bush Scoffs At More Criticism

Nothing concerns me more than complacency, especially when the suckiness is apparent to all but the man in charge.  So join me after the jump as I continue to put our defense into some sort of context.  It'll be a blast!

Star-divide

Stats are contextual.  I could tell you the Texans are giving up 400 passing yards per game, and it's not the most in NFL history on a per game basis.  But it's still a ton.  Over the years, the game has evolved and changed as well.  Keeping it all relative is extremely important.

Using FootballOutsiders, I took a look back through their entire sabremetric'ed history to see, since 1993, who has the worst defense and passing defense in the NFL.  The results shouldn't surprise.  The Top 10 by worst defenses, sorted by DVOA (e.g., negative numbers are better), are:

Team Year DVOA
Buffalo 2010 29.2%
Detroit 2008 29.2%
Houston 2010 25.4%
Denver 2008 24.7%
Denver 2010 24.4%
Minnesota 2000 24.4%
St. Louis 2008 23.4%
Minnesota 2004 23.0%
San Francisco 2004 21.4%
Detroit 2009 21.2%

 

Thine eyes do not deceive.  Since 1993, your 2010 Houston Texans currently have the third-worst defense according to DVOA, behind only a rebuilding Buffalo team on pace to go 0-16 and the only 0-16 team in football history.  That's some elite company right there.  But, hey, it even gets better.  When it comes to stopping the pass, we're even worse!

Team Year Pass DVOA
Buffalo 2010 47.1%
Houston 2010 46.7%
Detroit 2009 40.1%
Jacksonville 2009 39.8%
Denver 2010 38.9%
Baltimore 1996 38.8%
Detroit 2008 37.4%
San Francisco 1999 37.0%
Denver 2008 36.7%
Atlanta 1996 35.1%

 

That's right, sports fans:  We're in the running for the worst pass defense in the last 17 years and, if my educated guess is correct, it'd probably be the worst pass defense in NFL history.  Also, to compare the talent we have versus that of Buffalo or the 2009 Detroit squad makes this even more execrable.

So, Frank, stop me if you've heard this before.  Better yet, don't stop me.  Your defense is embarrassing to the City of Houston, and you have absolutely no business being employed at the high school level, much less in the NFL.

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Too subtle?

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 12, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Laughing...

A light and delicate touch it was…

by DilloTex on Nov 12, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow...

Looked it up…
A 72-ounce porterhouse steak (not factoring in any butter used to cook it) has 4152 calories…

I never used to worry about this crap… Where did I go wrong? Oh yeah, my 50th birthday… as in having one.

Sigh…

by DilloTex on Nov 12, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

The Big Texan

I dub the jaguars..... untelevised!

by Rip Jersey on Nov 12, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a friend who tried to eat one of those

If you eat it plus the garnish plus the salad in less than one hour, it’s free.

My friend didn’t make it. It was like with each passing bite he slowly lobotomized himself. Literally every bite turned him into more and more of a subhuman. I’ve never seen anyone defeated by a piece of food.

It was awesome.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 12, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't get it

After eating that steak, what’s the point of a salad?

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by The Night Owl on Nov 13, 2010 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Roughage?

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!

by UprootedTexan on Nov 13, 2010 2:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder where the biggest steak in Houston is?

I’m thinking steak for dinner tonight and I don’t feel like cooking….

I dub the jaguars..... untelevised!

by Rip Jersey on Nov 13, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

"Taste of Texas"

you can pick your steak out of their meat locker, and you can order a ribeye cut as thick as you want (go for a record at the same time!)

“Morton’s” has a porterhouse for two that makes a monster steak for a single patron to finish.

“Brenner’s on the Bayou” has a big cowboy steak (bone in ribeye) that is awesome with “blackened” seasoning.

“Pappas Bro’s” has a monster porterhouse, and the most amazing crab mac & cheese.

“Perry’s” has a slow cooked six finger thick pork chop that smoked to perfection and falls off the bone. Yeah it’s not a steak per se, but it kicks serious ass for flavor in the carnage dept.

“Reef” also has a killer slow smoked (pecan smoke) pork chop that gives Perry’s a run for the money.

This just made me hungry! I hope it helps you.

by MeMongo on Nov 13, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been on a diet for four months...

You guys are killing me… I’m ready to eat a chicken-fried-shetland pony with a lovely cream-gravy and chocolate dipping sauce.
I SWEAR that I’d make that 72 ouncer my b1tch right about now.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Nov 13, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hahahahahaha!

I dub the jaguars..... untelevised!

by Rip Jersey on Nov 13, 2010 9:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Sometimes all it takes is a sign to tell you you're doing something wrong

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by The Night Owl on Nov 13, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd - ROFLMAO

It takes me 3 meals to finish off a 12 oz. prime rib. I can’t imagine trying for 72 oz.
Holy moly, Batman!

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Nov 12, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Check this out!

Ripley’s Believe It or Not brought six people from across the US to tackle the steak dinner. Only one of them finished, a 120 pound lady reporter from The Wall Street Journal

I dub the jaguars..... untelevised!

by Rip Jersey on Nov 12, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

One baseball player made it....

by filleting that thing, stuffing all the salad, baked potato, and shrimp cocktail (that you ALSO have to eat to qualify for the free steak) and ate it like a steak burrito.

Another winner is an 80 year old grandmother….didn’t say what tactic she employed to win.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Nov 15, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

2008

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Nov 12, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

Hence the “only behind a rebuilding Buffalo team on pace to go 0-16 and the only 0-16 team in football history [Detroit Lions 2008]”

by grungedave on Nov 12, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

So if Buffalo goes 0-16

they will be the 2nd 0-16 team not the only 0-16. Just clarifying

by Biggity B on Nov 12, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 12, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Misunderstanding
only behind a rebuilding Buffalo team on pace to go 0-16 AND the only 0-16 team in football history

BB, I think you are reading it like a run-on sentence stating that Buffalo would be the 1st 0-16 team in NFL history….instead of seeing that it references 2 different teams in that sentence.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Nov 12, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

New tag for BFD:

“wherein I use the word ‘wherein’ in the title”

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Nov 12, 2010 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

Done :-)

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 12, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Badass

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Nov 12, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Sadly, this post delivers the bottom line perfectly.

Since 2002 – even the year we went 2-14 – I have been excited for each and every game. I’ve always loved the anticipation beforehand and that has started to leave me now. I hate that I’m starting to become indifferent to whether we win or not, but I just have so little confidence in our defense, our coaches and our luck.

I still love me some Texans though.

by WhiskeyR on Nov 12, 2010 3:22 PM CST reply actions  

Yup... sadly, I agree...

It was just SO exciting to see Manning truly under pressure. That first series of downs of game one when the defensive line was just ALL OVER HIM… was like a Christmas present… a small little scoobee snack for having patiently and steadily backed ’em through years of pukitude. Then Barwin went down… AAAAGGGGHHHH!

by DilloTex on Nov 12, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

That’s how I felt too… I’ve never felt really “let down” by the organization until this year because I never had as high of expectations. Now though, I’m surprised we remain competitive in these games. I’m still holding out a little bit of hope though.

by WhiskeyR on Nov 12, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

High expectations suck.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 12, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup, I've got to cling to hope because ...

1) This may be the last football we have for awhile
2) If there’s no hope, I’ll go do something else

by DilloTex on Nov 12, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Thus the last line in my sig...

Houston Texans fan, first and foremost.
College football teams: Army, Syracuse, Texas, Auburn.
In Smithiak we trust(ed)!

by 5stringJeff on Nov 18, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

You're a stronger man than I.

I had a stretch like that during the last two Carr/Capers years. Thought they should have been out of there after the 2004 season, to be honest, and just couldn’t have cared less what happened until they got a new coach and QB.

But yea. Last week sucked the passion out of me, for sure. Which is a shame, because they’ll probably win this week, and it won’t feel as sweet. Then again, if they lose, it won’t hit me as hard. You take the bad with the good.

And yet… I’m still reading Texans’ blogs.

by Nashmeister on Nov 12, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Just think

If we had An average defense. :(

by fgp on Nov 12, 2010 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm in a glass case of emotion

Do I laugh at how ridiculous this all is?

Do I cry because Frank Bush sucks that much and is still oblivious to it?

Do I get angry because I’ve invested so much emotional energy in this team?

Do I get apathetic because “fuck it, if they don’t care about defense… why should I?”

…?

by grungedave on Nov 12, 2010 3:22 PM CST reply actions  

No shit

If I would’ve had any clue as to how poorly the Texans & Longhorns would perform in football, and how the Rockets would start the season, then I would have bought stock in Shiner. Because the Fall of 2010 has me adding serious value to their dividends. Well that, and the fact that Oktoberfest was sold in 12-packs.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Nov 12, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

All of the above

and, might as well add:

Do I run out on the street naked and shout, “I’ve taken all I can take and I can’t take no more!”?

Do I regress into my all my worst vices by taking up smoking again, spending hordes of money at titty bars, fly to Vegas and bet it all on the Rockets, and tempt the gastronomy gods and drive to Amarillo and take on a 64-ounce porterhouse?

Do I peel the bumper sticker “I Love Bush” off of my ’78 Buick?

Do I slather myself in fish oil and jump into the polar bear pool at the Houston Zoo?

I dub the jaguars..... untelevised!

by Rip Jersey on Nov 12, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, like the proverbial glass.....

…the season is only half full. Last year our D improved quite a bit in the second half of the season, so maybe we can this year too. I am, however, disappointed in Pollard. Last year he was flying around like a pinball knocking tight end’s and RBs around like he owned them. This year his name hardly ever gets mentioned. With the new helmet-to-helmet rules, or rather, excuse me, the new “enforcing” of the existing helmet-to-helmet rules, I wouldn’t mind it if he or some other member of the D were getting fined. At least we would be making our defense dreaded by other teams.

Think about this- if not for a bad game by your (and mine) Houston Texans, the Cowpies from Southern (no relation) Oklahoma would be 0-8. How sweet would it be to see Jerra’s overrated team with the goose egg in the W column? That’s how bad we suck on defense. Next game, if you be very quiet, you can actually hear a “slurping” sound eminating from the D side of the ball.

Could it be that we really do miss Demeco that much? Just sayin’……..

SL

"...and if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know". SL

by Southern Lion on Nov 12, 2010 3:49 PM CST reply actions  

The defense sucked even with Meco on the field. Thats no excuse

You are such a good friend that if you and me were the last two people trapped on a sinking boat with only 1 life vest left, i would remember and pray for you every day.

by Antho10000 on Nov 12, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't making excuses....

…I was just offering a potential explanation as to why there’s no substantial play out of our Defense. His leadership might be what’s missing, I don’t know. To be honest I had forgotten about Barwin, and that’s not good, ‘cause I’m a better fan of our team than that.

Pollard is still disappointing to me.

SL

"...and if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know". SL

by Southern Lion on Nov 12, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Check my

reply to Antho10000………..my bad.

SL

"...and if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know". SL

by Southern Lion on Nov 12, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

A competent DC

is what we are missing the most…..

"LoL
Why am I even wasting my time responding to a "Salad". Ugh. Yeah… shit team"

by Salad on Nov 13, 2010 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

The glass half full example

reminds me of this:

An “optimist” thinks the glass is half full
A “pessimist” thinks the glass is half empty
An “engineer” thinks it is the wrong size glass

I think I agree with the engineer on this one. The Texans defense has no business being in the NFL (it’s in the wrong size stadium) and might be better suited for a local community college program.

by MeMongo on Nov 12, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice one...

I will be reusing that one…

by DilloTex on Nov 12, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

So if we actually had a defense

What do yall think our record would be at?

by Ivan A on Nov 12, 2010 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

10-1

I dub the jaguars..... untelevised!

by Rip Jersey on Nov 12, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

6-2 at this point, and 13-3 on the season

We really only got blown out in two games (Giants & Cowboys) where the offense also failed to “play 60”. I assume we are good to lose a close one at least once in the season, but we should have won all but two at this point if the damn defense wasn’t so putrid.

If we had the same defense we finished last season with, we’d be 13-3 this year (with confidence).

by MeMongo on Nov 12, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Frank Bush is a f-ing DYSON

He is a turbulent force of Sucking…and there is nothing you can do to stop him from sucking…

and we would be 6-2

Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!

by Andre4000 on Nov 12, 2010 4:34 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Other than last week against San Diego...

In which game did the offense do enough to win with a good or average defense? (Keeping in mind that scoring when down by 20 against a prevent defense doesn’t count for much).

by Nashmeister on Nov 12, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Well in our dream world of having an average to good defense...

 it could change the whole aspect of a game. a turnover here, pressure on the QB, anything but what we have displayed. It would give our offense more chances to score and put them in better positions to score. Maybe it would of changed Kubes playcalling during the 2nd Colts game (sigh). I’m not going to say we would of beat the Giants because i think they are headed to the promise land, but the Colts and Cowgirls were beatable. Not to mention the invincible feeling our team would have if we actually had confidence in our defense, which translates over to our offense. the possibilities are endless with a good defense…just imagine if we got pressure on the Manning Bros. the way the Giants line and Freeney and Mathis got after Schaub.

Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!

by Andre4000 on Nov 12, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Texans

Tied for second to last in FF (4) and second to last in INTs (5). Only the Broncs and the Bills have done worse.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 12, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh, it goes both ways.

Perhaps the defense would have performed better in some of those games if the offense had ever sustained a drive. All speculation, really, and all that counts is what happened on the field. I still maintain that the offense was bad to the point of making the game unwinnable against Dallas, NYG, and Indy round two. San Diego was the only loss where the were the only culprit.

by Nashmeister on Nov 12, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't see inside of Coach Kubiak's head, but

Wouldn’t he be thinking, “I have to get a Defensive Coordinator that can put together and good defense!”?

Oh wait, I CAN see inside Kubiak’s head….

I dub the jaguars..... untelevised!

by Rip Jersey on Nov 12, 2010 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

Rec'd For The Homework, BFD

Look on the bright side, fellas: WE MIGHT BE WITNESSING HISTORY UNFOLDING BEFORE OUR EYES.

/grabs spoon to scoop eyes out

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Nov 12, 2010 5:14 PM CST reply actions  

What is he supposed to say?

Bush: Yes we suck BIG TIME

If he says this maybe he loses what little he has left of the players – then again maybe it would motivate them. I am not defending the guy – but what can he say?

On a side note – it is amazing how we as Texans fans sound like the Democratic Party: Blame Bush!

"I want you guys to pair up in groups of three and then line up in a circle." - Bill Peterson former Oilers Coach

by Barryfromtexas on Nov 12, 2010 5:18 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

or Republicans

get the assholes out of office!

I dub the jaguars..... untelevised!

by Rip Jersey on Nov 12, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Suck by any other name is just as bitter.

/Shakespeare’d

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 12, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

He could you know

not laugh about it like it was a big joke?

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 12, 2010 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

This ^

The laughing pisses me off. You don’t laugh when you suck at your job.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Nov 12, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

^^^I vote for this.

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Nov 12, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Dubya would design a better defense than Frank ever could

Ever notice how terrorists never tried anything here until he was out of the White House? That’s one hell of a defense

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by The Night Owl on Nov 13, 2010 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

With an average D

We still get crushed by Dal and NY. And Monday night football

Puts us at 5-3

I wonder what the odds are of a split with the jets and bal. 1-60

by AllenOU on Nov 12, 2010 5:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Reality

Is overrated. Frank Bush knows this and is choosing a reality in which t

Frank Bush delenda est

by JimboTexan on Nov 12, 2010 6:58 PM CST reply actions  

the Texans are not historically bad.

Frank Bush delenda est

by JimboTexan on Nov 12, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

LOVE the new sig

BTW, it should be “Frank Bush delendus est.” Frank Bush is a person, Cathargo is a thing, which is the difference.

Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 12, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Somewhere

My Latin teacher is crying and agreeing with you.

Frank Bush delenda est

by JimboTexan on Nov 12, 2010 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

For those wondering according to Google Translate:

Frank Bush delenda est == Frank Bush must be destroyed

by TSSaloic on Nov 12, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

From the famous phrase, "Carthago delenda est" with which a certain Cato the Elder (not the Cato of Caesarean fame) would end all of his speeches.

“The City of Rome needs a new aquaduct. Carthage must be destroyed!”
“My ass itches. Carthago delenda est!”

Obsess much Cato my man?

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Nov 14, 2010 5:34 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

For Python.

“People call Romans, they go to the home?”

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 13, 2010 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

It looks like Fate has made it's decision and has started to carry it out now

FATE doesn’t want the Texans defense to awaken in this place at this time.

It would choose to destroy the Texans defense, and ruin the whole franchise, rather than allow it’s enemies to get a hold of the good defense.

by riversmccown on Nov 12, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Your logic

Is undeniable. I would relay it to Frank Bush, but he told me logic is the tooth fairy. He then ripped out my teeth and refused to put any money under the pillow.

Frank Bush delenda est

by JimboTexan on Nov 12, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it was 610 that I was listening to and they had a guest on, whose name I can't remember

Anyways, the guest was entertaining and knowledgeable. I enjoyed listening. Wish I could remember who it was. Okay, okay. On with my story. If anyone knows who it is, I would appreciate it. What was I saying….

Oh, the guest quoted a famous quote that went something like this…I thought it was SO poignant to the Texans situation:

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Dang! That hit home when he said it. And, you know, insanity is catchy, so here we are on BRB, sharing the same space. I’m feeling a little woosy, how about you?

I dub the jaguars..... untelevised!

by Rip Jersey on Nov 12, 2010 7:19 PM CST reply actions  

This one has been around a long time. But I can't remember who said it either.

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Nov 12, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I see it is often wrongly attributed to Albert Einstein and Ben Franklin

The person who first wrote it apparently is Rita Mae Brown in he book, Sudden Death. But the name I am looking for is the guest who was on 610 Sports Radio. He is a frequent guest and he talks about football.

I dub the jaguars..... untelevised!

by Rip Jersey on Nov 12, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

They keep talking about "simplifying the scheme"

I also keep hearing that they might be “asking them to do too much.” Jeezus H, this aint the freakin Steelers. How complex can a soft cover 2 that only blitzes a maximum of ONE player about 25% of the time be??

Are they saying we have stupid players?? Or do they think they run some cutting edge experimental hybrid defense crafted in a moon lab?

For crying out loud, the only thing they should be “asking them to do” is tackle and cover as a team.

sigh

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 12, 2010 7:51 PM CST reply actions  

Change of subject...

Anybody know when they’re gonna do “Battle Red Day” this year?

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Nov 12, 2010 7:58 PM CST reply actions  

Frank Bush doesn't trust stastics

The only thing that he trusts in the Gameflow from Madden 11

"...and Kareem Jackson will fall down..."

by .Bonzo on Nov 12, 2010 8:48 PM CST reply actions  

These comments in the interview from Bush should be

enough to have him removed from duties. Bring in Tony Dungy as temporary consultant / DC to finish out the season, with options to discuss next year (see more on this below).

Bush owns part of the blame for a vanilla design that even had Steve Young ripping it on prime time review. But one point he made in this interview is that he’s dealing with an inexperienced crew. The blame for THAT rests squarely on Kubiak and Rick Smith.

Part of Tony Dungy’s review (in this fantasy world where McNair brings him in to do this), he should assess whether it was an unnecessary risk that Smith and Kubiak put on the team’s season to go with such a disaster at secondary combined with the lack of a pass rush. Now in the first game, we did have great success ripping all over Manning with a pass rush, so the injury impact also needs to be considered. BUT, when staffing an NFL roster, you have to have depth and contingency plans and recognize that weakness areas get exposed greatly when other areas of the system suffer from injury.

A bum off the street could see that if the Texans have a young inexperienced secondary and at any point have injuries at defensive line and line backer (damn we have both!), that the secondary will be so greatly exposed as to provide the disaster we see today.

by MeMongo on Nov 12, 2010 9:51 PM CST reply actions  

Jebus.

Are we perhaps blowing this out of proportion a bit?

It’s chronicle reporting. Comments are just fluff to put in an article to make it seem more legitimate. He might not be very good at his job, but taking one or two quotes and using them to make the claim that he’s not taking his job seriously is pretty absurd.

by Nashmeister on Nov 12, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see both sides

For an image conscious team like the Texans, displaying this kind of flippant attitude is certainly different.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 12, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

What's everyone wanting Tony Dungy for?

The last time a franchise brought him in to build a defense…they didn’t get that dominating defense.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Nov 12, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Elementary deduction, my good man Watson

1. Changes don’t actually “have” to produce improvements in the world of McNair. They just need to provide enough perception of future hope to keep the fans and critics believing things will get better which keeps the money coming in.

2. Any motivational leader could do more with the defense, because it can’t get any worse.

That puts the list at possibly: R. Lee Ermey, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, Wade Phillips

3. McNair won’t have any rough necks on board, they MUST be soft spoken gentlemen.

That cuts Ermey and Cower from the list.

4. If you are going to change the coaching situation to inspire fans with extended hope through 2012, you have to get a name they recognize that was associated with success.

That cuts Wade from the list.

5. That leaves the list at Tony Dungy.

by MeMongo on Nov 12, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

How about Bum Phillips as a consultant?

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by The Night Owl on Nov 13, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

My bad

I don’t think Bush is failing to take his job seriously from a chronicle column. We’ll allow the on field performance to stand as the recorded body of work about how seriously he is taking his job.

by MeMongo on Nov 12, 2010 10:15 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Maybe Frank will stumble upon some current KKK members(no racial disrespect intended).

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by bone31crusher on Nov 13, 2010 2:24 AM CST reply actions  

and chest and hands and legs

you want no chance of him returning

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by Fox Mulder on Nov 13, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Send him out with Steve Slaton

No chance of him returning

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by The Night Owl on Nov 13, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

Too far.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 13, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Just putting this out there

Has anyone else thought this? I have this fear that the team is going to stop wanting to play for Kubiak and Bush. I have no first-hand basis for that thought. But, Kubiak has made some dumb moves this season at critical stages of games. The players notice. We notice, so they have to, too. They notice in a different way. They are players in the game. I think most of you have heard other players on other teams being asked questions of this same nature. I recall Brett Favre answering questions about if he agrees with all the play calls that Childress makes. He answered honestly, “No,” but, he also said that doesn’t mean he doesn’t follow through and try to make that play work. You know where I’m going with this. It’s nothing new. Eventually, situations may arise on teams where the players stop trying to make plays work…because, they simply don’t know why they are trying when they feel the coach is working against them. I know, this is all speculation and we haven’t seen any evidence of that. But, is the press asking those kinds of questions of the Texans’ players? Would they answer truthfully or would they veil the truth? I’m just throwing this out there. I’m not inciting dissent. But, maybe this is something we should be looking out for. Sure, a few wins and this idea becomes moot. But, let’s see what happens and if the team doesn’t turn this thing around in the next few games, we just may start seeing the signs.

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 13, 2010 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

Anything is possible...

However,

I think that OUR frustration with the situation as non-participants who have to watch helplessly from the stands/living rooms is MUCH higher than theirs is. We get on here and chew and chew and negativity feeds on negativity and the lack of being able to actually DO anything to improve the situation causes us to have worse attitudes about the situation than those that are actually working to try to fix it. (e.g. Frank Bush’s being able to “laugh” about what is [justifiably] being said about his unit’s performance.)

The players all know that some portion of the blame is THEIRS for getting into those situations where discretionary calls have to be made. Also, the discretionary calls that are being made are not calls that (for the most part) indicate a lack of faith in the players being called upon to make them. For example, going for it on 4th down is saying to the offense, “Go out and get us the yard that we need.” When they fail to do that, the frustration (as players) is aimed inward, not at the coaches. I could be wrong, but I don’t think that they are focusing on “We would have taken the field goal if our defense wasn’t so pathetic that we didn’t have any confidence in their ability to get a stop.”

The Cowboys definitely stopped playing for Jerry Jones… It’s a shame that Wade Phillips was wearing the title of Head Coach at the time, but he was well paid for the service. Our situation is a different one.

But we’ll see, Rip, you may be right, and if so we’ll see it over the rest of the season. And if that happens, it is definitely time to get a new head coach.

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by DilloTex on Nov 13, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

The Cowturds are a good example

What is the difference between them and the Texans? Record, yes. They are already virtually eliminated from the playoffs. A recent big loss. The Texans haven’t experienced a 45-7 pasting, yet. Those are the differences. The similarities are they have(had) a coach who is considered a good guy but who was not doing things to win games; high expectations coming into the season; offense and defense that were not operating the way they are capable of. Who is to say that the grumblings haven’t already started on this Texans team?

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 13, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

One other difference...

…is that they are playing for the head coach, who is NOT a hand-puppet for an evil mastermind behind the scenes. For all the complaining about McNair, it must be conceded that he is NOT a meddling owner.

These guys know that they are playing for Kubiak’s job and that they ARE answerable to Kubiak directly. For all of the criticism that Kubiak takes (and I think unfairly) about his “This is all on me…” approach to press conferences, that is what real leaders do. They fade the heat and then they hold those accountable that cause the heat. This is where “the Buck Stops Here” begins to cost Kubiak. If he continues to let his Defensive Coordinator put sub-standard product on the field and then “chuckle” in interviews, then he is not doing his job and needs to be fired.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Nov 13, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Then they should be cut.

Execution has been just as poor as the coaching so far.

There’s no reason for anybody to be packing it in right now. They were 4-3 last week with several opportunities to win that game. It’s one thing to let up at the end of the game when New York is pounding you 30-10, but these players had damn sure better be going hard from the start as long as they’re in playoff contention.

by Nashmeister on Nov 13, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

But let's talk about the elephant in the room

Are the coaches managing the game the way they should? I think I am seeing a lot of criticism here on this blog and elsewhere. You, Nashy, might not be going there, but others are. Couldn’t some of the players be doing the same?

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 13, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what the veteran presence in the locker room is supposed to handle...

If the team is executing well and being “schemed” into oblivion that’s one thing… But if Weebles is falling down and letting 55 yard bombs float over him, that needs to be fixed before players start grumbling about the coaches.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Nov 13, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm on board with some of the criticism.

Perhaps. But it would seem to me at least, that they should try to do their jobs well and see if the scheme redeems itself instead of criticizing or half-assing it because they think they’re set up to fail.

Not that I believe they are packing it in… But seriously. If the players tackle, catch, and don’t fall down of their own accord, we’re looking at 5-3, worst-case scenario.

by Nashmeister on Nov 13, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I don’t see these players throwing their performance. With repetitive film review, it would show up like a whore in church and they’d get benched, fined or cut for it.

by MeMongo on Nov 13, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

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